Why the COLD will Become Your New Superpower - Founders of The Cold Plunge || MBPP Ep. 855

B project family has AG going and now as you guys know we have been talking about cold therapy for a while Mark Andrew and myself we all use cold plunge xl's since we're pretty big but the cold plunge is amazing and there are a lot of cold therapy tools out there obviously you can use your shower but the amazing thing about the cold plung is number one it doesn't take up much space in your home or your backyard and number two you don't need to change your water unlike other cold

therapy devices for 6 months to a year it filters itself let's not even talk about all the benefits of cold in like the dopamine release how good you feel after doing it and just the Cascade of hormones that happens after you get in some really cold water it's crazy and we love it so Andrew how can they get it absolutely you guys got to head over to theold plunge.

and at checkout enter promo code power project to save $150 off your very own cold plunge again the cold plunge. comom links to them down in the description as well as the podcast show notes do you have a small head very small head now I can't unsee yeah imagine if he like just like built out his his shoulders to be like super crazy then that would be a main focus right oh man I'm sorry dog you did that to yourself it's what it is I but no that's actually a good

thing it's better to have a smaller head than a bigger head I think so I headphones don't work for me well you always got made fun of for having a massive melon right yeah people call me peanut head as a k I'm still scarred that's why I wear a hat oh I'm sorry won it though like dudes who work out a bunch don't they get bigger heads on uh yeah it happened to Bar B that's cute yeah they're like Barry Bond's helmet used to be this size and then it was

this size wait seriously oh yeah absolutely yeah his like hat size grew so big but then people are like he got older and it's like I don't think that's normal from getting older or just from gaining weight who is that football player on the I know this one the Baltimore Ravens he was a great defensive player in Ray Ray was it Ray Lewis they said like his his fingers or whatever [ __ ] like grew because of potential GH he was taking the de Dear Antler what spray it was like HGH from

Deer antl right wow that's what they were concerned about was the deer antler spray yeah everything else Ray Lewis used to just [ __ ] people up was an animal didn't M doesn't matter what he did or didn't do I don't know it I don't think any deer antlers were like making some massive difference for that guy I know got on that [ __ ] as soon as I heard he was taking it yeah it didn't it didn't help right yeah I mean it didn't noce any difference it was like probably 19 years old

how did you get your hands on deer antler spray at 19 years old I think the internet you could buy anything on the internet yeah it was basically like trying to get hormone yeah there you go yeah it was pretty easy wow especially when you heard Ray Lewis was on it yeah there there was all there was like a huge pro hormone surge like even way before that like probably a decade before that where you had uh andersin Dion and all that stuff that uh uh Mark Maguire and stuff they

talked about all that stuff and there was kids taking that [ __ ] left and right and I think there was like real [ __ ] in some of that stuff wow and then it was like I don't know the FDA like banned some of it here and there and then they would come out with new ones and then there was like something called Tren and it actually had Tren in it I think and kids were getting like all kinds of acne and kids were getting all kinds of swollen and big and it was

I don't know some weird times going on I used to work with the trainer at 24-hour fitness and he said like when he was like 16 he went to Max Muscle and they're like you want to get big he's like yeah he's like come back come to the back take this and it was like a $50 thing and he was like within two months he gained like 30 lbs it's like what the hell is this stuff good old days man you can't do that anymore [ __ ] if things were cycling out

like every 3 months cuz it's then it was illegal they're like well the new one's in like grab this one right God damn y so it was a little cold in the gym this morning right Andrew it was freezing yeah it was very cold what was the Cold plunge set at today was like 42 oh man 42 42 yeah 42 and then what kind of guy are you Andrew so when it was the when the temperature outside was its warmest during the summer I had mine set at 55° uh now

that it's gotten a lot colder uh I don't get in it as much but I have it set at 6 and that is very difficult for me to get in and out of how do you both feel about this I encourage it well the thing that I'll bullying me okay but the the Gap is you said you're not really getting into it yeah ABS yeah right now it's not I'm I'm making a lot of excuses for it you know it's like oh it's cold outside so and it's like uh I

would get into it because I would feel sign like at least 50% better after going to Jiu-Jitsu like my body would get wrecked I'd get in the cold plunge and I'd get out of it and I'm like dude I feel like it's been 3 days of recovery but it's only been you know less than an hour since I was at Jiu-Jitsu now my body's getting more acclimated to it so I'm not feeling as bad so now I'm like well maybe I don't have to get in there as bad as I

did a couple weeks back so I'm again I'm making all of the excuses in the world to not get into it cuz I do not like being cold okay but when I get in the cold plunge I always feel better it's just one of those things that I've gotten out of the routine because it's gotten cold outside it's gotten cold and so getting colder has just it just doesn't seem as attractive right now but you went for 42° today and that was really really cold but I am happy that en

SEMA encouraged me to do it and then I'm really happy that Mark coached me through it because I have never experienced anything that cold like not even close popped your cherry and see turned it back on so it had the filtration yeah yeah yeah no that it was um that was a really cool experience that the hands went first like I've never really felt the hands like completely go the way they did today where like I'm like oh [ __ ] like I need to make sure they're okay so I put my

hands up just so I could feel the tub and once I felt the tub I was like okay my hands aren't like gone yeah I I didn't lose them they're not getting frostbitten or anything it's okay now I can drop them back in you know then it was okay and then you know like I was telling Ben on camera like the the mental side of things is just it's not it's not ignored but I think it is still overlooked when it comes to the the cold plunge cuz you hear all

Savages talking about like cold Plunge in the morning and blah blah blah recovery this and that but for me it's the mental side of things um I was joking around but I'm like hey when you uh like when you give your dog a bath how like they freaking hate it but afterwards they're running all over the house and they're going crazy like that's me like my mood changes like that and I am like the happiest dude you'll ever meet after I get out of the cold plunge cuz I just I

feel so much better totally yeah love that yeah thank you yeah no dude it was cool I'm I'm as much as I I hated the seconds right before I got into the cold plunge I'm really grateful that you guys all pushed me to get into it Andrew how do you feel it's different than like maybe forcing yourself quote unquote forcing yourself to go to the gym or go to Jiu-Jitsu like both of those things are things that you know you're going to feel better after doing them um but they're just

way different like in my opinion they take a lot more you it takes a lot more to go lift or go run or go do Jiu-Jitsu in the morning than it does just to you know we're fortunate to have these uh items at at our house and you know what do you think the difference is for you um so even if we ignore like the the H habitual side of things cuz like coming to the gym like we're literally at a gym every single day so we walk out and we

do stuff in the gym it's just that's just part of life Jiu-Jitsu is starting to become that thing where like okay it's okay it's Monday I'm going to wake up early and I'm going to go you go do ji- Jitsu so let's ignore all that for just right now in my opinion the uh I'll say like the the resistance curve is extremely sharp with the cold plunge right so like if if we're thinking about the gym it's like [ __ ] I got to get up I got to get up and then

okay now we're here and I can kind of like mellow out and get my workout in same with jiu-jitsu like after you get your first roll in you're like kind of get a good sweat going you feel comfortable there's there's no there's no like easing in time period to jumping in the cold plunge it is like 100% already difficult the second you jump in that thing but you're also probably not going to jump out of it have you ever have you ever put your leg in and then gotten back out

no I've I've actually done the opposite where like my um like my feet are kind of banged up and I'm like you know I'm just going to put my feet in because like I just want to do this right now and then you get in there and I'm like I'm already in here like let me just sit down and I'm good yeah the whole thing sucks no matter how you do it yes yes and that's actually what I told in SEMA um months ago where I was like I know 55°

is going to be difficult just like I know 50° is going to be difficult just like I know 45 and so on and so forth so I might as well just drop the the temperature but I could never get myself to do it because it's up to me I almost wanted to text my wife and be like hey set this temperature between 40 and 50 don't tell me where it's at I'm just going to do it and just like never look at it again you should just put like tape over

it and have Stephanie set it somewhere just like so you don't ever look yeah yeah but you know we'll see but no it was it was it was fantastic I don't know how long I was in there this morning uh when I have it set to like 55 to 60 I'll hang out there for like 10 minutes 15 minutes just kind of enjoying it today was I don't know maybe 2 minutes 2 and 1 half minutes he that for like 2 and a half 3 minutes yeah it was like like

it it was like the feeling when I got into it the first time again it was all over what do you guys think of like you know cold plunging versus exercise obviously they're different things but um we were talking a little bit in the gym about like maybe for some people it might be a little easier just to get in a cold plunge I think so yeah it depends on the person like you guys live in the gym so like maybe the Gym's easier but for most people yeah you said

it's like passive right you just like sit down in there and it's so quick 90 seconds is a good enough plunge where as a workout you got to take time then you're sweaty and then you shower so it's a more time commitment so like the ROI can be like super quick yeah my biggest resistance with working out is like actually thinking about the working out like I have to prep it out like that's a lot for me but getting in the cold it's like Dude 3 minutes and you're going to

feel that like my mind can grasp like it's only 3 minutes away and you say Roi like for me it's a lot easier we're also talking about how you feel after a workout and what he's saying is like how you feel after a plunge to me is always amazing like you're smiling you get it like you feel incredible sometimes after a workout you feel worse you know but for a plunge it's like every time I'm smiling so yeah after a workout I mean you could have kind of overdone it you

could have slightly tweaked something and by no means are we comparing exercise and cold plunging like we still think you need to exercise but C we're just talking about like kind of changing your mood and I think that it's a really simple thing just like getting in your car and and putting on music that you like or music that you enjoy or listening to your favorite podcaster um that's something that might make your drive a little bit more enjoyable and to me getting the cold Plunge in the morning even though

it's not always the easiest thing it's so simple that I'm like let me just let me just go in and then sometimes there's that negative thing that says you know you got other [ __ ] to do you got places to be you got to you know and I find myself um doing Dad stuff like turning lights off and like putting stuff away and like I don't ever do any I don't ever do any of that like so and then I'm like I got to just go on the godamn this is ridiculous

like what am I doing I'm doing all this [ __ ] that I normally would never do right but then you do the thing that you're kind of afraid of right and the more you do that you get the momentum and you start looking at everything oh what else am I like afraid to do what am I else am I avoiding go do that like if you have that Rhythm like you're a force right it's helped with a lot of reinterpretation of a lot of things just uh it raining out like I'm

just I'm like driving to go do my run like I'm not even it's like okay it's raining oh [ __ ] okay now it's actually pouring all right well I still am going to do still going to do my run totally so it's really helped with a lot of stuff and then even just in terms of temperature regulation I saw Paul Czech the other day uh talking on Instagram saying like how he thinks it's kind of ridiculous that people are so unhealthy they can't regulate their own body temperature and I don't think

that people even think or realize that a this is a problem and B this is a solvable thing when your hands are really cold all the time I've seen whim Hoff talk about it before this practice of putting your hands in in cold water or ice uh for like 3 minutes so somebody that's always cold thinking like this is the worst thing for me to do and my hands are always cold uh they I forget what the symptom is or or what it's called but they said that a lot of

it can be solved simply by putting your hands in ice water uh for I think 3 minutes uh for like a week straight can really help the symptoms to go away and it's like holy [ __ ] okay that's difficult uh but the outcome and the result and that's what I'm obsessed with that's why when I do have something that deters me from doing something slightly I'm like no you want the result like don't forget about the result the result's going to be great like go getting out of the cold plunge is

going to be amazing so just go into the cold plunge puts you in a Warp Zone yeah it does I'm curious about this Ryan we've had you on before but now since we have both of you guys on both of you guys started this company and you were into floating before cold PL Ing and you I'm I'm assuming you guys were both into the we were both into float we both own float centers both you guys own float centers yeah yeah okay so so like float convention how is it that

like you guys got into this into cold and why is it that you found it so important that you're like we need to build a device for this we each have our own like genesis story with it I think I mean for me it was you talked a lot of trash about him last time yeah he wasn't said he smells hel me when he first met me I was like this is strange I had to take a sniff cuz I was like I can even make sure is he actually like

it actually wasn't trash it was a feature to the plunge that you actually don't need to shower anymore so you're saving that you're actually saving even more time like why is this dude coming up and sniffing me what the [ __ ] freezing all the germs I think right I think I told Mike right after I was like Hey heads up few people might know you don't you don't shower I'm fine with it um yeah I mean for me it was you know I my journey started Wim Hoff documentary 2015 the vi

you know the vice piece that came out I saw it I had no clue who Wim Hoff was blew my mind watched it two nights in a row cried both nights was like the most hopeful like impressionable thing that I saw and I just started to incorporate that practice into my life with cold and breath work i' had gone through a boutot of getting sick um I started to incorporate cold I was getting into the river here locally getting into the American river in Sacramento wow and uh you know Asha

Urban bass I had from cat floats I even got us a membership where our employees could go get in the C you know use their facilities and they could use ours but it was just me going there all the time just to get in the cold so that was kind of my journey to it I fell in love and you know Mike had the same kind of uh you know passion and love for it he was yeah I mean whims passion for it I think has like sparked the whole Revolution

he's so convincing about it and then I uh added cryotherapy to our float centers um which I heard from Rogan you know and then um saw so many people getting so many different types of benefits from the cold that when you see these people just like feeling amazing like you know helping their autoimmune disease like you just notice okay like this is lowering inflammation like this is a real thing that's happening inflammation is like the key driver to aging you're just overwhelmed by the science and then um I ended up

going on a road trip uh up the Rockies and I was just get into cold water every day it was like a fun thing to do and when I got home I was just addicted and I didn't have any way to get cold and so I built the ice chest freezer so that's what I use that's what a lot a lot of people do right take the ice chest freezer you know you put in like a pump you put a thermostat in there so you can make a cold plunge pretty

cheap it's like the intro pack and then um yeah pandemic hit um closed all my Spas I had nothing to do so I just started building cold plunges and then uh yeah Ryan came on board and engineer guy with all this stuff because like you know we were talking about the snorkel thing and he was mentioning how you just built a snorkel like yeah yeah yeah yeah exactly is that your background uh yeah like from a DIY perspective you know like my dad's a big DIY guy I went to school

for engineering for a year and switched to business um definitely engineering minded don't have any like degree in it or anything but I I built a float tank from scratch it's kind of how I got into floating um so I've like you know screwed around with like pumps and filters and all this stuff for a long time I want you to build as much [ __ ] as possible so we can enjoy all these great products yeah agree agreed I'm in cold plunge a sauna a hot tub right yeah actually yeah that'd

be great com com with an idea I'm just like okay you go work on that like I'm going to insulate you from everything else and you go engineer this product yeah do you guys have sorry I didn't mean to cut you off any plans for like a at home float tank by any chance cuz that's something that I've always wanted to get into we don't have a float tank plan at this point we have a sauna coming out that's the next big one sick so the sauna is pretty next level

um it's very like ergonomic cuz most son sonas are just boxes so you actually can like lean back it has a cool angle to it um gets up to like over 210 degrees it's where where saunas are going everyone goes up to 210 yeah so it's not infrared no everyone was doing the infrared thing it's moving to the the the rocks on a you know you put water on it it gets I love that it's up to like 190 and you put the water on and you just get hit by

that yeah exactly that's what's up so there's like two levels of benches you can flip up the benches it's 7 feet by 4 feet now you got an area just to do Movement we do kettle bells in the sauna it's the [ __ ] we made the door big enough that you could put like a rogue or an assault bike in there that Hamilton right that [ __ ] works out in there right exactly he like puts like oven mitts on or something and like exercise in there hurts yeah yeah that makes sense okay

Kelly starett was like our inspiration we went and worked out with him and then he was like showing us these workouts like how sick would it be if we could like get this [ __ ] in there yeah so that's when the whole like engineering of It kind of like how do we make this active active sauna so that's the Kelly and uh Juliet stret they both do they both have great practices they both do the the cold they both do the sauna they're both Super Active on their bikes and hiking and

all that stuff totally they make it fun they like make it like you always talk about like low barrier to entry it's just like how do you make this inviting as opposed to like dogmatic or rigid yeah stuff they get to do together and it's like I'm sure maybe there's some days where one of them maybe doesn't want to do it that much but the other one's encouraged to do it right totally exactly yeah they're they're they're a blast to hang out with kick it with but how is cryotherapy comparing

to cold plunging because I remember when I was in college we'd go to cry therapy every now and then and I honestly did not feel much of a difference personally even though a lot of people swear by it but cold plunging just feels way more effective than cryotherapy I don't know if it's because of how cold the water is and your skin but you know yeah I mean cryotherapy there's also different machines too so like uh we have one that actually gets your head the the cold is in the whole

chamber it gets down to -220 so that one works better than the ones that are just like shoulders down obviously um but yeah with the cold it's just a higher dose like the water is so much more conductive it's getting like deeper into your body it's just going to be like probably like 3x of a dose you know obviously the cryotherapy really does work it's just kind of like lighter doses you know mhm what what's a starting price for some of the products you have what's the starting price for a

cold plunge 5K for the the basic cold plunge I I think when people think about that like obviously that is that is a big chunk of money um but what I think is for somebody that has for for somebody that has uh pain like like physical pain hips knees lower back to me it's like one of the greatest things you can get I know for myself with with the running that I've been doing a lot of times I I just put my lower leg in there before I run maybe about

three times a week I go in fully submerged um but I put my legs in there a lot uh before a run after a run and it's really helping uh keep the inflammation down so I know like a lot of athletes are kind of hungry to do some of this stuff and they're encouraged to do it because they want to stay active they want to stay on the court or they want to stay on the field or they want to continue to run um but I think for your average person

that's just in pain or maybe they have some psychological pain I think it could be transformative I mean I've seen documentaries where I was watching something with Chris Hemsworth like he Chris Hemsworth wasn't with me while I was watching it he was in the actual series he was featured um and there was a woman that uh went out on the ice and she cut out this little tiny triangle in the ice and she goes down and she uh is like a deep diver and she's going into this freezing cold water

and it's all just to help restore her mental health and that's not the first time I've seen that I've seen that many times and heard that many times from people that are going into the cold plunge so okay $5,000 it yes that there's a cost associated with that but this could be like a life-altering product for some people I mean we full we see it every day into the people like the testimonies that people call in and things we hear it's actually it's the coolest part of the gig yeah like

actually getting to hear what this is doing to people's lives and it is I mean we're very we're very mindful that it's you know $55,000 big investment for a lot of people um you know we try and work around that with payment plans and financing options and things like that but you know our big thing is how do we educate whether you're just learning about it now and maybe it's not in the price range now but like maybe you save up and in a year and a half from now you

have that opportunity to get it but really just like educating like what is this doing for people it's like you know it's a gauntlet whether it's autoimmune disorder we see that a massive like impact early on with that um you know the mental health side you know we we just did a piece with a woman that was you know anti-depressants using it and then she start plunging and actually use that as her medicine and she'll do one plunge a day she's off antidepressants she'll do two plunges a day on high

anxiety days I think Andrew's noticed a difference in his own own mental health right abely yeah and like I I don't know I can't tally up all the amount of money that I've use to try to like keep these dark clouds away from me but it's been a lot okay like a lot of [ __ ] that I've tried to help try to keep like the anxiety and depression to go New Tropics and a bunch of tons of New Tropics yeah um legal and illegal [ __ ] put it that way um but they

everything is like not even close like I could I could have a a bad day or whatever I could be okay and then just getting into the cold plunge it just it snaps everything like the U like I I I said is like um you know look at my backyard and it's like all doom and gloom and gray and it just like like like I just don't feel it I get in there I start breathing and then like dude seriously like uh because I do you know keep it a little

bit warmer about 2 3 minutes in I open my eyes and I'm like holy [ __ ] dude my backyard is beautiful I start like getting super grateful for like everything in my life all of a sudden it's like I'll see my son like yelling through the window or something like dude I can't wait to get out of here go tackle him you know like everything just gets way better once I get out of the cold plunge it's it dude it is night and day you know with something like yoga you know

you'll hear an instructor say you know uh be in the present moment you know come to your Center Line and they say these things and for some people you know when you do that practice and you get used to that practice you can feel that and you can feel great but it's a little bit of like you need to practice it to feel it it's not the case with the cold you get yourself freezing [ __ ] cold and you have no choice but to be in the present moment you have to

be present you have to start to pay attention to your breath until maybe uh you start to get used to it and then after a while you could be in there and just whistling and and uh going under the water and breathing through a straw but at first it's like man you don't have much of a choice other than to kind of like shiver and tighten up and and then you start to learn like I can interpret this differently over time I can get used to this stress and over time

I can become stronger just like we can any news or anything that we hear you can start to inoculate yourself to stress over time I think it's a great barometer to where you're at from a stress stress like how you intake stress at that moment life and it changes for me like some days like I'm I can drop in and surrender and I can just roll with a seven minute plunge and not I'm just in my breath and other days I'm I'm fighting it and it's actually a really good like

check of like oh wow like you are stressed out right now like you are your mind is not calm that's interesting so you almost like feel it more uh uh maybe it stings more you know how when you first get in it like stings where you're like that's not normal I need to get out I think it's like a to me it's like you know when I can accept things more stress washes over me when I'm not accepting the cold or I'm not surrendering into it which I think is a

big thing we watch women can surrender into the PL a lot better this is generalization than I think some men men want to get in and like fight it like I'm here to do the tough thing it's like it will win when are you going to let go and actually start to breathe into it and that's I think one of the greatest teachers of it is it will teach you how to breathe and how to actually succumb to the environment and like it's about surrendering you want to fight the cold

it's just you're going to your body is going to keep fighting it it's going to be extremely uncomfortable so it's something it's a generalization that I've noticed over time that women are are a little better at surrendering right than men to it's a cool perspective though that's the game is the surrender we actually have an app coming out in a few months and you can tap into your whoop or your aura your Apple watch and it'll feedback your heart rate so you get in it's going to spike to like 100

and the game is is how calm can you get your heart rate right so you want to slow down your breathing that's the whole game right now it's all I have is my breath I don't know what my heart rate is but I I'm tapped I can feel it right you know how relaxed you are so for me like you compared it to meditation like it's just this super intense meditation yeah that's it it's just very unique but it's the feedback is so strong whereas when you're just sitting there meditating

it's like all the your thoughts are just so subtle whereas in there you have to be kind of good at have to F be kind of good at meditation in order to meditate like it takes not to start but after a while you got to start to get better at meditating so you can like feel the positive good effects it probably why so many people give up CU they start thinking about other stuff again when you freeze yourself like that you're kind of forced in what happened over there Andrew I

think you might have shut down the no I think we're still on something weird happened over there you okay yeah Andrew just took a nose dive but again it just yeah it forces you to be in the moment it forces you to have to pay attention you come out with the same state of like meditation it's like a back door if you don't meditate like get the cold plunge and you like come out 3 minutes later and you're we're big on the back door podcast very big on the this is

it this is the back door you come out that podcast the back door podcast the back door podcast yeah what are we doing with the back door on that back door podcast we didn't start it yet sorry my mouth's getting a little numb right now did you is that your is that your first sip or did you already drink some of no I'm almost done you guys both love the flavor of the Mind bullet potion right cool right it's interesting I think we just like M altering experiences going to say

you know uh hubman actually made uh some content on cold plunging and he was talking about how like the dopamine release is similar to cocaine but also Anna lpy talked about it in her book we had her on the podcast a few years ago how certain people who had certain addictions not saying that the cold plunge is going to cure your addiction but by starting the practice of cold plunging they were able to certain addictions that they had that were negative with cold so it it it was it was something

that allowed them to flip-flop and that's a big deal you know what I mean huge crazy I think what he's talking about with the mental health is the dopamine release is so huge and it's longlasting too it lasts for hours and I know when you have like a traumatic childhood you're actually your dopamine like uh sort of like levels that are just normal actually can get get much lower and so when you're cold plunging it can like raise it up to like more normal levels and can really be kind of

the mental health component is is that dopamine gives you a big dosage of uh accomplishment yes which I don't know if uh people get in touch with enough I I always say I was blessed to have great parents and so uh my parents didn't like reward me for like not doing you know anything in particular like they didn't uh overemphasize something that wasn't well done but when I did something that was well done or if I did something that they asked and I did it to my best of my ability

it did make a big deal about it so I've always felt accomplished and then as I moved into sports and stuff like that I put in good efforts with that and I playing football I focused on lifting to be better at football and so I felt like I had some good accomplishments and then later on with powerlifting kind of same thing uh but I think there's some people that have not only like never hit a home run but they've never they never hit a single they never got the first base

they never got the pat on the back and I was just fortunate to play some sports when I was young to have two older brothers and just have a really loving family around me and I know a lot of people don't have that and so where can they feel maybe they didn't have an athletic background maybe they didn't have so it's like how does somebody else get that momentum into accomplishment yeah sure they could you know hop on their bike or they could start running or something like that maybe they

can find something that way but I think this is another way of like giving yourself this is a win right off the bat you wake up in the morning totally you got to you know hit up that cold plunge that's not easy but it's an accomplishment like that's massive you accomplished something you did something especially when you're get I mean I do it first thing in the morning so you get that early but it again we put on workshops we've done it with our company with staff we put on workshops

for other people but like that first time like when you do do it in a group and you come out like Ian it is truly like it is something that you didn't think you could do and now you've done it and you have like you said it's that momentum you get that new thing that I'm I am capable of this like my mind didn't think I could do this two to three minutes earlier and it's such a short window like the things you talked about powerlifting some of these to see

results that can take it's it's a different level of discipline into the commitment you have to make which is a great thing in its own way it's different but C plunging it's like give me two minutes you can have that accomplishment like immediately from that so I think that's a very powerful thing that people that don't have momentum like you can just just two minutes and you will see something on the other side that is very quick to actually feel that level of of accomplishment Andrew do you remember uh in

SEMA how fired up he was when he told us like that he went in for like 20 minutes and stuff like that he he would come in here and how euphoric he was how eoric you were fck he smiles often but during that time I mean he was was like literally jumping off the walls like telling us this is a guy that's won bodybuilding competitions he's doing really well and Jiu-Jitsu did well in powerlifting so he's he had a lot of accomplishments done really well and he's feeling the effects like

that I mean he I remember he left us a voice message he was so pumped he was like guys I don't know what happened but I'm like learning how to breathe in this thing and like I I went in for I went in for eight minutes and then the next time he was like I was in for 20 and it wasn't [ __ ] I was able to handle it like I don't understand what's going on he was so pumped what do you what do you credit is it the breath of how

you're breathing in it yeah how you're I think that's how it started and then you don't really need to breathe the same way anymore right yeah like when you said you discovered cold it started with me like looking up Wim Hoff stuff cuz he you know he has this whole breathing thing and the first day that I did the Wim Hof breathing in there obviously be careful when you do that like hold but I remember that I was struggling to be in there for like two or 3 minutes it's like

at 2 minutes I was like get the [ __ ] out right but when I learned and when I started doing Wim Hoff breathing in there I was like wo 5 minutes went by and I could stay in here let me just get out and then the next day I did it again I was like I'm in here for 8 minutes I'm in here for 12 minutes and like Mark mentioned I was like I can just stay in here but the cool thing is that now I don't need to do Wim Hoff

breathing anymore to cold plune for a long time it's weird I used to need it to cold plune for long periods of time but now I don't know if I'm cold adapted and maybe my I don't know I'm just more used to it that I don't need to do the Wim Hoff breathing to be able to be comfortable and cold and the other thing that's really dope is I don't know who was talking about it but they were mentioning how I was I was mentioning this to you Mike when you

get cold adapted you maybe you don't want to stay cold adapted you want to have periods where you don't use it so that you have that shock again to the cold but every time I finish cold plunging I always feel amazing that state change is just like boom go go do your [ __ ] it just feels great and that's never gone away you know what I mean that's why it's such an addictive thing because you know once you're out of here you can just blast off to whatever it is you need

to do you know we made for it right we've been getting in cold water since the beginning of time yeah it's like think about what killed most humans a long time ago it's probably the cold right so how have we evolved to survive in those scenarios it's throwing every neurotransmitter and hormone that's going to make you optimistic to get out of the you're probably on a frozen lake and it cracks you fall in how does the human being survive that situation dopamine neopine phrine like uh everything right metabolism your blood

goes to your brain and your core to keep it warm and then so it's just everything is it's the whole cocktail you I think about that all the time how the [ __ ] how did we survive like imagine just like not having shoes and it's there's like ice and snow on the ground like how the [ __ ] and you're hungry and you got to hunt I don't you know we're definitely like the inverse of it now it's like I look at the ancestors it's like they were not they weren't looking to get

in cold water you know it's like when they're not in cold water like I'm [ __ ] chilling now we chill all the time it's like okay I need a cold plunge to get in cold water so again that Chris Hemsworth thing he fast for four days and they got Peter it on there it's really cool there some of the information that they show and they show uh they go to a tribe in Africa I think I don't know if they got to go to a tribe in Africa I this right the

it's the motherland where else are we going to go so I was just thinking like how dumb would those guys think if you explain to them that for four days that's life this guy like this guy's killing a rabbit with a [ __ ] bow and arrow he's probably like and he's celebrating obviously cuz they're excited that they got uh food but he's probably like you you're doing what you're choosing not to eat and there's all that [ __ ] food everywhere are you [ __ ] oh my god dude I sent you over the off

thing you just play maybe just a couple seconds of it's cool to hear his uh his voice whatever it takes relax are you ready I am here we go and there's also an round number one oh yeah yeah Breathe In Breathe Out breathe in breathe out just go with the flow do you guys do whof breathing when you plunge not when I plunge you can stop it there it's pretty much just that and you do about 30 breaths of that and uh you you uh blow some air out and then

you hold and he recommends to hold for like a minute I think is the first one and then there's another round where you uh release your air and you hold for like 90 seconds and stuff and I and I think uh it's effective I also think it's like it's kind of a lot for someone to do in a cold plunge so I don't really re recommend that you do it the cold plunge you might want to try it before you get in totally the way that I do that in the

cold though is I will do the breathing I'll do about 30 breaths just like I did today I demonstrated it uh I blow the air out I hold for like 20 30 seconds and I breathe in hold for another 15 seconds and once you do that one round um you know something happens to your body where uh everything you get a little numb to the cold I don't know if it's just cuz you're distracted or I don't know if it has to at the CO2 and oxygen ratio I think you're

bringing a lot of warmth to like the intercostal region feels like it feels like you have a heater that's starting up in here totally you know yeah and like you said it's like obviously if you're going to do it make sure other people are around because you are kind of redlining your body into like the breath holds and things like that but yeah it's a great way to warm up after or even before kind of generate the body generate some Warth into the body and then get in there so it's

uh I mean the his breath I mean just him for a second like that guy he's incredible human like he he built this world everyone called him crazy did his wife uh did she commit suicide she did she had a lot of yeah I think she was bipolar a lot of mental health stuff so he set out on a mission to kind of you know why why does the body go through this and I think he like randomly just jumped into a cold lake one day or something right yeah it

was pretty very like simple Genesis and he said the cold was like his teacher it was like this like Godly teacher that was just kind of teaching him how to breathe and be and that was like the start of it all and that's you know he's he's made it so to me genius is Simplicity and he's made this so simple he doesn't overthink it he he's as much as big as he's gotten it's still very very simple but just him for so long he was the crazy guy you know like

ridiculed shot down he is an anomaly this is not what humans think there was no belief that we could control our nervous system you know science had no was they were that that was just you're crazy and he stuck with it to bring us to this type of conversation where now we have access to this modality to this health for ourselves and I just I get fired up on him because it's just like a guy that like kept sharing you know was like I don't care what you call me like

I care enough about people that I'm going to get this message out there that you guys all understand that I am not unique and this is what everyone this is our like god-given right and what we can do with our body I think it's easy to point out to say someone's crazy or to say that you think someone's dumb or to just like automatically feel that someone's trying to pressure you to do something or um because it's new information that you've never seen or heard before you're like I've never heard

this before this is dumb like this isn't where's the research yeah where's the research and and we we're guilty we thought the same thing of fasting and some other things um over the years Ive definitely and I'm definitely still that way I'm still you're going to be a little guarded but I think we have to be really careful on um having it negatively impact our ability to learn and absorb new information because new information is out there it's circling around us all the time and I think someone like whim Hoff

presenting the cold I mean like he clearly was right he's been pushing this narrative for a long time and finally it started to get through and it's like it takes somebody until they get on like Joe Rogan or until they get on a Big Time TV show uh for them to be able to kind of get that message all the way out there but if you're if you're paying attention and you're listening there's people that have good messages and and look just most of the time it's just like try some

of this stuff intermittent fasting just just try to skip breakfast give do what he did and he's just listening to his body right he's not looking for someone else's research to prove he's going no I feel it I feel it inside me and so we always say that with the plunge like what temperature should you start out how long should you do listen to your body you know and if it feels good keep doing it right like you don't have to go find the research for everything in your life like

if it's feeling good cool lean into it MH you know that's why I think like we we should start to trust our intuition more because there there's a weird side of it where it's uncomfortable and it doesn't necessarily it's not pleasurable when you're doing it and naturally we want to seek things that are comfortable so the cold plun in and of itself is an odd device because you're going after discomfort but the really awesome thing is that you become more resilient over time because you sought out something that was really

uncomfortable and really non-purging that in a cal plunge you are you know you're getting a dump of adrenaline your nervous system's on fire well it's like now you're just expanding the breath that you can like figuratively like the breath that you can stress that you can handle so I think it's very similar to to working out I'd like to challenge people too to like prove themselves wrong a little bit you know when you go on a run or you go to do something challenge yourself just a tiny bit more than

normal and you'll be shocked at what you can do I remember the first time that I squatted 705 in a competition I remember doing my opening attempt which was like 633 and then I think I went 661 and then I went 7:05 when I did the 633 I got so much pressure in my head in the at the bottom of the squat uh and then I you know I did the lift successfully and I racked it and I was like oh man I don't know like anything heavier than that like

I don't think I'll be able to do that and I was like well you know you put your attempt in and just like see how you feel and just go out there and just give it a go so I did the next one kind of same thing but the pressure was a little bit more because there was more weight went out for 705 and did that one successfully as well but when I was done I was like I'll never lift more than that I don't understand how people lift more than

that like that that was that amount of pressure was crazy I can't there's just no there's no possible way like I kind of counted myself out you know and then I did the competition and then uh you know talked to other lifter and stuff after a while and they're like oh dude it's not like it's not a huge deal you'll get used to the pressure and then years later ended up squatting over th000 pounds many times in competition yeah you built that Baseline up we were talking about it before the

podcast it's like you experience it once it's so unique it's so foreign it's almost overwhelming well that soon will become your Baseline like that's you want to play on that edge have you gotten that before in Jiu-Jitsu like when you were starting like when somebody you know put their elbow or knee on you or you like I don't get it I don't like there's you'll never get used to that well there was there was the aspect of like having that type of pressure but there's also just the fact that none

of it made sense so you're getting you're getting tapped by so many people people that don't strength train and people that are like half your size are consistently making me tap and it didn't feel like I'd ever understand it you know what I mean um but over time doing it more you you get better you improve and and that's kind of again the cool thing with plunging because the first time I did it I don't think I was in there for up to a minute and a half I think I

was in there for maybe a minute I was like I'm I'm [ __ ] getting out because it just feels like it feels like you're getting stung you know when you first start cold plunging like the sensation just doesn't feel good but you do it a little bit more you get used to it and you realize how good you feel it's just again it's [ __ ] addictive feeling you know I was curious about the autoimmune stuff that you guys were talking about a bit cuz I want like you guys probably get so many

people that call in and and send you guys reviews just how it's helped them but what what kind of stuff have you seen as far as autoimmune issues and how it's helped and maybe why is it helping with that it's lowering the inflammation is is number one yeah I mean Mike are our sales guy Michael yeah has Ms same so he he's in like two three times a day and I mean he just he just feels way better do you have any other like I mean I think to me what

I'm noticing it's like autoimmune send tends to be a imbalance of the nervous system it's like whether it's parasympathetic sympathetic like your B there's there's an imbalance going on in the body yeah cold is a way to to balance that I mean like Doug steiny he was a guy that was on his deathbed he was he's a Wim Hoff practitioner um we've had him in to teach at our company you know his story is incredible he was one that was a realtor high stress lifestyle style farthest from breath work cold

plunging any of it thought he was fine within 48 Hours he was paralyzed in a hospital and they were like we don't um we don't know if you'll ever walk again or if you'll live um we don't know what to do for you sent him home paralyzed in his house for months he had young children he was in his 60s at that time so he had had kids a little later and I mean it's on YouTube it's incredible story and his dad his son found out about wiim Hoff and was

like Dad there's a u there's a guy that doesn't get sick and he can heal himself and that you know from his 9-year-old son that was the story and he was like okay that doesn't so his dad like his son was like all you got to do is get cold you got to get in cold water and so they would wheel him in plop him into the shower and just splash cold water on him yeah within I mean I don't want to butcher the it was within like six to eight

weeks he was moving walking he is now can do the splits overhand like he can snatch anything is the epitome of Health yeah and this was deathbed to all he did was they rolled him in poured cold water on him he learned to breathe in there and you know his body adapted and kind of re rebalanced itself from like a nervous system standpoint so I think there's you know it varies per person in what they're going through but that to me is the uh we see that we see that group

have the quickest results like it's they get it a week in I'm noticing a massive difference um so it's an area that we would like to you know from research and study like kind of figure out what's going on there but it's when someone calls in and they're like I think I'm going get in a plunge I've kind of I've lost all hope I don't know what route to go I get really excited when I hear about those people because it's like you're on the right path yeah have you noticed

a big difference for people that are really really resistant to it it having maybe a stronger impact for some of them people who are like there's just cold and me like we don't mix like girlfriend I can't do it I'll never do it I'll never try it like and then if if there is some sort of encouragement and they do actually get in have you noticed like a profound difference for some of those folks I think what we notice is like like Partners like you know that the husband wants it

the wife's like I don't want this thing like it's not it's going to take up space well he gets it she gets in with him for the first time and then she becomes the one that's doing it all the time so I think from a resistance St point I haven't really seen anyone that's resistant unless their their mental Capa like how they perspective on life they just are all about the resistance and they go into it usually it takes someone that kind of back doors it in for them that gets

them to to want to get in I you know it's not one that's it takes a mental resilience to actually be like I want to get into a cold plch or I'm willing to my wife pulled a fast one on me one day she's like hey she's like did you see that Hannah e got into the cold plunge set you up and I was like no she's like you're she's like you're totally lying I'm like I I mean I had yeah I I saw it yeah I was like all right

I I saw it but I didn't see it you know I didn't stop and look at it I saw it as I'm right past on my Fe I didn't look yeah I was like what do you want me to do she's beautiful and he's like she's really hot shout out Hannah God damn set up you got set up yeah I hate those setups like that Hannah and Paulo we love you both oh yeah definitely good S I don't know how to keep my mouth shut though I'm too I just fall

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getting into cold waterers doing all this [ __ ] for you but it is really wild like what it's doing for people and what it's done for us like it's just getting into some 40° water it makes a huge difference and it's it's just temperature dog right you know it's we were at the uh uh what is the Bulletproof the the conference we went to the biohacking conference the biohacking conference we have the cold plunges set up and you walk around and it's all of these inter devices and Technology forall life SoMo

red light for your balls and all this engineering and science going on and we're out there on on the way home to to the restaurant after I was like just comical dude we brought cold water to this thing and like we had a line of people to get in like oh my God you guys have the cold PL it's like yeah it's it's cold it's like the simplest like most natural thing ever you know and it's like basically the best thing you can possibly actually do it bulletproof conference it's it's

too simple it's like we have a guy at our company he's a um does a lot of Maintenance around the facility so he maintenances our our gym now where the coal plunges are so we have this program at our company where we pay our staff to plunge if they plunge X number of times a month we like pay them money we want them do yeah yeah it's a way to engage them and get them doing it cool and so anyways now he's in the gym a lot more and so we

he was in the gym and he came out and now he's he's lost a lot of weight and he losing more weight and he's like you know what I thought for months this was snake oil and he's like he's like now I'm getting into it and he's like you know so it's so exciting that to hear him where he was like this is [ __ ] like these guys are so passionate about this cold water and now he's doing it he's like all right I get it I understand what's going on here

another amazing thing to sell is fasting what' you come to the conference with nothing exactly yeah we're just not eating yep we're not selling anything but uh you could sign up here give us your email and we'll uh get you ready to rip have you guys played around with fasting I remember you mentioned I think that you do and what's your experience with it a little bit just some three-day fast here or there nothing crazy but that is crazy it's it's an interesting ride right cuz you I feel so depleted

at first and then you get over some kind of hump and all it's like now it's like wait I have like more energy than ever like what's going on here so that that was interesting yeah it makes it makes a difference and you do quite a bit of fasting right or intermittent fasting yeah I've done some I I go through my phases and Seasons with it I think you know right now it's more of like yeah kind of restrictive eating windows and things like that for myself like you know hours

before bed and then trying to get that 16 hours kind of eight hour eating window is like more of life now but yeah I've done some extended fast as well same thing different results every time too that's always been some my body like has big time reactions and I'm like [ __ ] the whole time and doing this and other times it's like massive Clarity in the head so it's it's definitely a reflection of where where the body's at that moment I think that's where you get to where you're just like yeah

I don't even know if I really fast but you're doing 16 you know 14 to 16 hours probably fairly regularly without even noticing it anymore yeah totally I tend to I overeat and so I I yes like that is my thing it's fun to go to dinner with Ryan because you're getting three apps and then he's getting two dinners like you want that never like I just I want everything I want it all we're glad we don't have that problem we so disciplined we love you guys don't know that was

a lie yes that was a lie it's the thing so this is like a a hack for me of like eight hours like you're eating in and outside and you I can't eat I can get full but I'm I get full for that window and then it's done and I'm out and I got to I got to chill out for a bit sit on the sidelines yeah what have you guys noticed because you're coming out with the sauna so obviously I go to Asha all the time because they have a

SAA there um I like going between the cold and the heat but like like do you guys notice some type of difference when you go from sauna to cold plunge back and forth or how do you guys practice that sauna the cold intense when you get in the like you know 190s and getting the really hot sauna going to the cold you almost have to like take a moment in between sometimes cuz you can have some really strong reactions to theold that's happened to me like I've had uh when I

went back and forth when I came out of the cold room started spinning I had to just take a seat CU your blood pressure is just going all the way up and down lied yeah but I mean sa is great I don't know love doing them both hot end with the cold always recommend ending with the cold but definitely like a intense it's it's it's it's a lot on the body you know so if you're doing contrast every day I don't know if that's quite the move I mean some people

are it's like you know for me have the sa at the house it's Cole plunge every morning and I'll do contrast like a few it's mostly I do sauna and then I just kind of end on cold and just kind of get the core body temperature back down a bit um but it's yeah it there's yeah like I said it's a pretty it's pretty taxing metabolically on the body be doing both I will say because there's going to be someone who's going to comment but the you want the inflammatory response

after you work out you know there's been research to show that it blunts hypertrophy uh Mark what do you think about it I'm just curious do I think it's crap man I think you know consistency is King so uh you know fit stuff in wherever you can yeah and I don't know exactly how this like research paper was done I never really looked at it I never really tend to care about the research of stuff I I think it's I think it's overblown a lot of times and like let's just

say hypothetically that it shows one hour after training that maybe it has detrimental effects on your hypertrophy it's like how many people have access to the cold you know literally one hour after training plus how do we know that okay maybe it showed that it didn't have a positive impact on hypertrophy uh in this condensed period of time with these particular people but how do we know like over time over the six week period that the overall benefits of the cold still didn't have more of a positive impact on people

so I don't really love to look at that kind of stuff but I have changed for myself when I get into the cold but that actually has more to do with just my activity in the morning I I've been running every morning and so I was like I want to try to amplify my run and I was trying like coffee and some katum and stuff I was like you know let me just get into the let me just get into the cold like that nothing's going to fire me up better

than that cuz sometimes coffee will work you know sometimes a little caffeine works and other times it doesn't land on me perfectly so uh and then plus I don't want to have any like digestion issues as I'm running so like let me just hit that cold plunge up for 3 minutes but I I don't think there's really a big concern about muscle hypertrophy and I might be like way off but I think that one of the studies at least that people point to like if you actually dive into it it

was something like uh they they did like a run or a workout whatever and like they put like one foot into an ice bucket and they like showed that like oh you're left and right or a lot different therefore cold plunging is [ __ ] it's like whoa like and again I could be way off but I'm pretty sure memory serves me correctly on that one no totally they were putting their calf in the cold one calf measured the size of the the muscle grow uhuh so if you want to base a

lot of your belief in this one [ __ ] study that I think we can all agree was like not done properly again how many people are very specifically also training for hypertrophy so if you're super worried about it I guess you can just not cold plunge on that particular day after your workout no I think that's a good I mean if you're training for some competition like maybe you want to bring that in I think for the the average person it to me it's a long game like am I trying to

show back up to tomorrow and like get my workout in like you're talking about Jiu-Jitsu like absolutely you know you can you're able you're capable now to go again I think that's where most of us lie um but yeah if you have a massive bodybuilding competition maybe maybe you don't do it right after a workout I don't know I don't think we have enough really research to understand that but I think to me it goes back to like listening to our bodies like how do I feel after I like if

I work out in cold plunge like measure yourself over that month like am I still working out hard am I feeling good in my body to me that's the most important thing and if the answer is yes then I think it's a great program as opposed to like I can't do it because of this paper said that and these practices have been around forever I mean athletes have been doing this for a long time but just uh people didn't have there wasn't like cold plunge companies there was like I guess

there were maybe different versions of them but there was like you know the 49ers and all these teams they've had versions of some sort of cold plunge or some sort of ice bath uh after their training and not I realize that's after conditioning maybe and not necessarily after strength but people have been utilizing these techniques for many many years totally and I think again just find out Discover it like people got to go and kind of see how their body responds to it it's not a one siiz fits all yeah

and definitely like if because it's not like we're [ __ ] on research but like I'm someone who I'll pay attention to it right so like if I lifted sometimes I'll only cold punch for 30 seconds to a minute like I won't usually cold punch for 3 minutes or four minutes like I typically do in the morning do 30 seconds to a minute because I just feel better exactly and then boom keep the keep the progress going cuz it's it's if you're worried about that it's not that big of a deal oh

it's very comfortable it's Lulu it's fleece yeah that feels good you guys got to feel that hit us up guys um but dude it it is really crazy how much better you feel especially after like a hard Jiu-Jitsu workout or Mark you know a hard run cold punching for a little bit just you can tell the recovery difference on a day-to-day basis and I kind of think about that like if you are a lifter one thing to think about is what if you're able to work out more often and with

more volume because you feel better each day say you're doing a five-week training program and usually you're you you know you feel beat up on the next day you have to work out and the next day you have to work out but let's say that now the next day you feel a little bit fresher and you can move more training volume I don't know there's been no Research into that but maybe the amount of more volume you're able to work with counteracts the slight inflammatory you know response or decrease inflammation

that you get from cold plunging it's just test it out and see what you actually feel CU sometimes this research is yeah and you can't you cannot deny like how how much better your workout is when you're just feeling good like when you're literally like in a good mood like the music's hitting today like the coffee was hitting today or the Pre-Workout whatever and then you like dude I had just had such a good day and then I had such a good workout it's like well what if you can have

a good day every time you went to work out like I dude yeah no absolutely just a try MH um and I don't want to you know o overhype it but the experience that I've had a lot of times it feels like at least in the moment a couple moments after I get out of the cold plunge it feels like my workout is washed away like it feels I don't feel the fatigue I don't feel the pain maybe I had a little something in my back maybe something in the shoulder

all of that shit's gone I mean at that point you're just kind of like thinking like I need to [ __ ] get warm that's kind of more what's on your mind I actually had my daughter uh put her leg in there cuz she wouldn't get in all the way but her ankle was bothering her after some volleyball and uh she goes in and she's you know in there for like 90 seconds or so and she comes out and I was like well she goes well uh my leg is completely numb I

was like all your problems are solved she's just looking at me like I don't think so but it did it does help a lot for me it helps a lot with uh I'll get some edema some swelling in a lower leg when I start to run further if I run you know 8 Miles 10 miles 12 miles that kind of thing and there's only a few things that really help it uh compression helps a lot um so like the normat tech boots can help a lot just kind of wrapping my

leg can help uh a like compression sock type of thing can help as well um putting my feet up uh you know having your feet like I'll just put my feet up on a wall and I'll lay down next to the wall um and then the cold plunge but the cold plunge helps immediately like I should see if I can take a video of it I don't know if it be that profound but um my lower leg is like is pretty clearly swollen and then I put my legs my my

C all the way up to my knees I put my leg in there and when I come back out I can actually see the tendons in my feet and the I don't have a cankle at that moment cuz it gets I want to do some before and afters just like literally like wake up take a photo and then go plunge and get out and take another photo like you're all sad my face looks completely different you know after a plunge I don't know what happens but I agree with that yeah

you guys had any psychedelic fun since the last time we talked CU I know you guys are in oh interesting question yeah you want to tell them about our journey R oh yeah we we have um we did so a local place here it's called sha mines they're ketamine Treatment Center what are they called sha mines sha mines they're in uh like Midtown Downtown sacamento Sacramento great I've gone a number of times I think I've been about five times but then Mike and I just went last week together um awesome

experience you go in it's everything you would think it's this beautiful kind of Clinic But the rooms are all set up with couches and everyone's very very nice very nice so comforting psychedelic lights in your room you go in and they you know take your vitals take your blood pressure kind of talk to you check in sometimes they'll do some breath work with you prior really ground you in and then they you know give you a good injection of ketamine you can you can do uh the ve your neck you

can do IV drip I intermuscular snorting no that's not that's the only way I've done only at home only at home it's a very different so like I intermuscular is like the most uh intense form it's a blast off it's the rapid onset so like what you want if you've tried the oral like you know you're about 5% into what an IM experience is going to be I mean it's a full-on disassociation like you it's kind of means a fascinating one I I've done DMT iasa mushrooms Lis this is the

strongest psychedelic experience I've ever had by far in terms of the visual taking you out of your mind and body I have ever had it it was so mindblowing and in 50 minutes literally chilling chatting with Ryan going hey how was that man I was like whoa that was that was crazy and we go to dinner and after dinner I am completely back to normal is it scary you know like mushrooms can get a little I'm sure it's different for everyone like it's not like that though like psychedelics typically can

get squirly and confusing it's ketamine is its own thing it's not that it goes in a you're so disassociated with your own life and your body that's why it's good for depression you're just so sucked out into a void and on this just wild ride you're just taken by it and you're listening to this awesome music and you're just sort of like having an experience and I'm like well I'm not Michael I'm not a human like what am I you know and then you just come back and all of a

sudden you're back in your body do get introspect like like yeah yeah when you talk about the visuals and stuff because okay I have done ketamine once um it was a few years ago with some BRS on a beach um and it was snorted and didn't feel anything like that everything was still super clear nothing it just felt like oh wow I'm in a puffy Cloud that's it right but this this is so differents very different yeah it it's just such a higher dose like he's saying probably like 10x the

snorting experience if not more but it's like an incredibly safe drug yeah right they use do you feel it's addicting or is I think if you have you know like the people can get like the snorters like uh you can just have it in like a spray bottle like I'm sure it can be quite addicting I think anything can become out you know you use it I don't think from an addictive from like a actual like your body needs it and craves it like maybe say like you know in or

something like that where it's like your body actually like I need this or alcohol but I think yeah I mean like anything what how are you using it why are you using this is this am I addicted to the escapism that's coming into exctly that's what it is and or is it like I use it as a pattern interruptor in my life like I love this facility it's takes all the stress out like I'm in a safe place with professionals and they dose me correctly and there's nothing I have to

worry about but to me it's like it just I want to take it for a run would I would I end up in like Michigan or something I I can connect you with them if you guys want to get in but is that a bad idea to take it on a run like oh take it on a run yeah like running I thought you were like I want to take it for a run I want to give it I want to give it a whirl like it depends on the dose

right it's actually can make you pretty wobbly like you kind of disassociate so it's a little like you almost get sea legs I like it even better it's fun to Dan it's fun it's a good dancing drug totally if someone's already on like SSR R and that sort of thing and like medications is this something that they can still do or is it something that like I think I I think ketamine can some of the other psychedelics like iasa and some of these that you that's not want to be mixing

that um I don't think it's an issue I don't think it is but you know they there are some contraindications so do your research yeah exactly U but that's who they mostly work with is people right you know it's not Mike and I going in that have a pretty strong mental health side pretty stable using it for more of growth and development where a lot of people are going in like no I am severely depressed and I've have done everything and I don't know how to break out of this so

a lot of them are on medication yeah what about uh iboga I have not haven't done that one no it's on the list yeah we had a guy on our show that was really good he has a treatment center down in Mexico mhm and he was explaining all the benefits to us it was really really interesting that one's like the one that my best bud did it recently and that one it's like usually I'm like I'm in I want to go in that one has this like like whoa challenging CH

like you know like when you're doing the ioga style I mean it's like a 72-hour experience like you're going three straight days and you're just in it and I you know that it's a it's a whole new more of yeah it's like finding a portal right like do you really want to go like 3 days into the future or something like what's the ramifications of this and can you go back or whatever it might be you know it's going to open it up I mean there's there's you know I believe

in these substances when used with good intentions like it's always going to be there's even if it's challenging on the other side it will still be positive but it's you know that one to me I'm like I don't I'm not it's not calling me right at this moment what was your guys' intention when you tried ketamine like was that the first time for you both up I think so so how this one came I mean Mike and I we have like our background together has been very psychedelics has been like

a a commonality we've done them together whether it be iasa or mushrooms and it's been a connecting tool for us um so for me I had gone months ago and during my experience I had been like oh you need to come do this with Mike uh you know we get so caught up in the business like where we're business business business business friends first and foremost it's like we need to you know he moved down to San Diego so it's like how are we create an intentional time that we can

go out outside of the company and like really connect with each other and so that's where it came to me like oh go do this with my this is this is what you guys want to go do so I set that up um so that was kind of my like bigger overarching intention I think this time I had kind of with my actual intention was like feel like I've been tasked with a lot of big decisions that's just consistent like but Clarity in decision- making not like the answer in the

decisions but like just being steadfast in my decisions that was kind of my intention going in um I think if you're if you're looking for a lot of wisdom and lifechanging you know whatever you know your iasa your mushrooms acid are probably better tools ketamine is like he's saying that the pattern interruptor um for me it was that just and just curiosity we've heard how strong of an experience it is but also it's super it's like this is the safest environment so like those two things like my curiosity to like

one of the strongest psychedelics and like this is completely safe like I'm doing it right like I'm too curious all these things sort of like allow access into like these different parts of your mind and I've always found they are helpful and so why not see what's there what's been your experience like how are they helpful what do you feel it's maybe revealing to you cuz that's what I've felt uh doing things like mushrooms and LSD and stuff like that it feels like it uh feels like it's holding a mirror

up to you which is very uncomfortable by the way uh but it's not like a mirror reflection it's like a literal real reflection of yourself um and it's like [ __ ] man it really kind of makes you reinvestigate and uh rethink maybe the way you're acting and the the just the way you're treating people and those kinds of things have you guys had similar experiences absolutely yeah it's been I think it's a well I think it to me it's more of getting into that subconscious like I live so much here and

think this is everything that's happening where 95% of the shows actually happening on a level that I can't see and this just provides a window into that and you know sometimes it's really challenging sometime and it's just such a curated personal experience you know that it's for me like in every single person's psychedelic experience like you know it's going to be very different and so like but you get this curated personalized tool to go in and it could be whatever you want like I'm not saying psychedelics is just for people

can use it just for silliness and goofiness and like I've used that too for fun and laughter it can be a tool for that or do I take it in with like I actually want to go in and develop myself and learn new insights of how I like patterns that I have things that I'm not aware of so it's been massive for me I mean whether it's stemming to better relationships and understanding my parents more which in turn helps me understand myself more to like me as a person and how

I how I actually show up how people engage with me how I speak to people um to the depth of like my spirituality and who am I as a human and what am I like what is this life to me so it's you know and it varies every single time so it's to say like I have gotten it has been there are some of the greatest tools that I've ever worked with I think those are scary things for most of us to like look into or examine so maybe people just

kind of a lot of people just kind of truck on with their normal day it it is scary and maybe don't want to tap into any of that yeah it's scary scary whether you try psychedelics or whether you just stop and think about any of ITT either way I get scared every time I go in which is why every time like I I get fearful like I'll cry a lot before like because it's like whether it's like my ego knowing like man you're going to be different after this and it's

but I have ultimate faith into it but it again it's like it's an environment it's it's similar to go back to cold it's like it's a micro adversity like I this life is pretty [ __ ] like we've created so much comfort and to go in with the ultimate role of the dice of like I don't know what's coming but I'm going to go face that and that is like that's the exercise for me and yes all the growth all the things that I just mentioned come from it but the actual fact

of stepping into something scary that I'm uncomfortable with and I'm going to show up that to me is the kind of the Crux for me I think what you get a lot of times just Clarity like in a simple analogy it's just like this flashlight that you can kind of shine around and it's like I want to know what's in the corner I want to know what's under the rug you know or in my normal Consciousness I'm not seeing it it's like oh show me the blind spot great thank you

you know it can be hard but you come away with an Insight of and something you didn't know was there and now you can actually go act differently or whatever yeah it is really cool because like years ago I I was the kind of guy who if I heard you guys having this conversation i' be like man these white guys are crazy like they're [ __ ] wild out here doing [ __ ] acid and what all this [ __ ] like they got issues okay but after after I did some mushrooms right um it's not

something I do a crazy amount of and I've done higher doses a few times but it's something that did allow me to be more comfortable being less reserved because I'm an individual who likes to have control over the way I come across and just I mean I don't let I didn't used to let a lot of that out and one of the lasting things that I've seen that I've noticed about myself is like I am just much more okay with just being myself and not like not not worrying is the

person going to think I'm weird are they going to think I have like I don't really think about that anymore and that's really cool that that stayed probably think you're weird if you're thinking that they think you're weird you probably be like uptight and may act differently too [ __ ] stoic and too e like that type of [ __ ] you know but it's it's it's really cool how it helps you whatever you're whatever you think you're dealing with it helps you come to terms with it it helps you kind of see that

and then it's your choice whether you do make changes from that you know it's cool it's it's it's pretty dope how about for you Andrew yeah it's the um again like the um being present bringing in the moment just like in the cold plunge um my drug of choice is uh breath work and I've had the craziest psychedelic experiences doing that as opposed to mushrooms or any I well I haven't done anything I've done mushrooms and that's about it but uh you know one of the things that like I went

into one of these experien was like all right I need you to help me get over the fact that my mom has cancer like okay we need to like work through this cuz this is all brand new like this is going to be tough and in this experience like I literally have conversations with angels and [ __ ] like it is wild and it's a lot of fun doing just breath work um and what they told me they were just like hey like you can still text her right now you can call

her right now why are you so sad about what's going to happen after you have so much opportunity right now and I'm like oh [ __ ] that's right so after I got out of it I'm like dude I need to go do this so for me it's just like um being super grateful about what I currently have not wanting more you know so it kind of like slaps me in the face and it's like dude you are doing so good right now like keep leaning more into that like keep leaning into

the things that you have access to right now so like again kind of going back it it it puts me in the present moment and it helps me appreciate this moment right now and that's what these experiences have helped me do like way better I've tried stacking breath work with mushrooms it didn't really work out very well uh mainly not like nothing bad happened but like I wasn't focused on doing breath work for a little while so I took some time off and then I was like oh here we go

I'm going to load up and I'm going to you know stack these things on top of each other I got in there and they're like hey we know what you're doing right now you're trying to cheat the system by taking some other stuff what you need to do is just do the work and keep coming back more often and I saw nothing and I wasted like not wasted I went through an hour of like just darkness when normally I see colors I see people I see all kinds of [ __ ] this

time it was just like all right lesson learned I got it got the message it's pretty cool have you tried uh some pretty good dosage of katum with your bre work no no I have not actually Dam that' be interesting yeah for me katum just it just always hits about the same way um every once in a while I guess if I had like food or something it might alter it slightly but um it's a little bit like caffeine for me where it just seems to give me like every time

I take it I'm like that [ __ ] just that just works you know some sometimes I'm like maybe I take too much of this and I try to be you know reasonable as I can with it but I'm also like it feels good feels like it works use it appropriately mhh have you have you used it with breath work I have never used it with breath work i' I've only done like a little bit of uh little bit of breath work stuff before and I I just have a uh I think

I have a difficult time like getting in deep into the breath work unless I'm in the cold so I can feel uh like kind of psychedelic like effects in the cold plunge with doing some breath work but I've haven't been able to tap into it as much uh with I just don't I don't like to like I don't know I don't like to like calm down that much like I it's like I I am uh you know I'm definitely fullon dad and like Dad mode 100% but like I I don't

like sit in the recliner and like fall asleep you know like I just my my body doesn't it doesn't want to do that it doesn't want to like it probably plays a factor into I think that sickness side of it you're probably sitting in that kind of more sympathetic side so you have a constant threat of adrenaline in your body which they've shown is like a really strong you know wall it's an immune Sy it aids immune system I always get sick when I go on vacation yeah yeah yeah um

Joo was talking about that I don't know if you guys caught that at all but he was explaining that like I think he was with hman I could be wrong maybe I'm way out a lot of times it's sleep deprivation too um he so you know Joo is always you know thousand RPMs nonstop and same thing he's like every time I go on vacation that's when I get sick so I I'm pretty sure it was huberman what he was explaining was like your stress level's always very high High Therefore your

body is like we need to protect this guy and then when that stress goes away your immune system is like cool we could chill and when you chill that's when you get sick so the example they gave is that the mother who husband gets sick got to take care of him oh now the kids get sick got to take care of them everyone's sick she's not and then everyone starts feeling better they all get through the sickness her stress level drops and then what happens she gets sick so she's always

the last one to get sick because she her stress level's always very high yeah so it's it's wild it's so that's why going in the cold plunge on a regular basis totally the healthy stress yes that's you need to fill it in whether it's like a really hard workout or cold plunges or like some things to create stress in your body when you're in the vacation when you're in vacation mode yeah I also I'm like uh I don't feel stressed so uh it's really really rare for me to like feel

I don't know stress or anxiety so I think I just have extra energy CU I don't waste energy on on really anything anything I don't like uh with business and stuff I don't look at numbers I don't I just don't care my wife actually sometimes will she'll bring stuff up to me and I'm just like don't like just I don't care it's the Holy Grail it's like you want your body to be stressed out but not have it live here it's like that's the ultimate like stress is that's Oris like

that's what you are wanting it's why we work out that's why you go for a run that's why you cold plunge you're trying to but it's not great to be dead inside all the time no but dude what you're saying there is really interesting because like when you look at your life man like you came and you ran for you ran8 miles this morning right and then you came you did a cold punch for a few minutes and then you did a workout with us and now you're podcasting you're probably

going to do other [ __ ] today and when you say the phrase I don't feel stressed what is what you're saying is like you do not perceive because it's stress but you just don't perceive it negatively like all the things you're doing your your perception of that isn't a negative perception is that right or yeah those are all things that I was really excited to do today yeah those are all and I kind of feel that way almost every day uhhuh I mean just like anybody else there might be a couple

things that pop into my day that I have to go do like go to the DMV or something stupid like that um but yeah for the most part and even that like I just that kind of stuff I'll just look at it as if it's like kind of comical like I'm going to walk in and I know I have an appointment but they're not going to have it yeah yeah they're not going to have any record of it I'm going to be screwed I'm going to be be behind like tons

of people and it's just going to be May him in there and then when I walk in and see that I'm just going to [ __ ] laugh about it because I'll be like yeah I knew I know I was going to get [ __ ] today yeah I was just thinking cuz like yeah when we're talking about the stress of a workout stress of the cold plunge stress of whatever um like if Mark gets stuck in traffic when he has to be somewhere normally a normal person might be like cussing out the person

in front of them or whatever Mark's probably like cool I get to listen to this podcast you know like he doesn't that type of stress just bounces right off of him that's just mindset it's just like perspective it's incredible who was that researcher who we were talking about one day where she like she did the research on how people certain people see stress as like this stress like you when I when I do Jiu-Jitsu or when you do running you know that I'm going to have a benefit after I do

this right when we do certain things that are stressful like cold plunging it may actually be physically stressful but you know on the other side of this it's going to be beneficial so we interpret that as being something good for us rather than something that's going to break us down and that it takes time to constantly reinterpret but that makes a huge difference I heard a quote kind of recently and it uh it really made me like madebe me just like rethink a lot of stuff and the quote said if

you're so smart why aren't you happy I was like holy [ __ ] man that's that's incredible like that an incredible quote like people read a lot of books they do a lot of thinking they go to universities they do a lot of school they get a lot they get as much education as they can and all those things are awesome but if they kind of aren't leading you to not that you have to chase happiness if not leading you to have a net positive net happy life then maybe none of it's

worth it totally Naval talks about that a lot Naval might even be his quote but he talks about like you know he has a lot of quotes on Twitter and then I think he's been on Joe Rogan before yeah he's he's a great you know philosopher yeah philosopher great business individual too he created angels list um but he uh yeah that's his thing is like you know happiness like he speaks in the same way like if you're so intelligent like that is intelligence is actually are you happy what's the goal

it reminds me of Andrew Yang his actual goal was like health and happiness for people yeah it's like outside of GDP it's like how do we measure society's health and happiness um it's like I've just never heard that from a politician and that should be the goal right like like you're saying like everyone's so smart like what is your goal and like a lot of people by default have it be you know money or you're chasing the the next thing and what is the goal well health I think is like

the foundation right like if you don't have the health you can't enjoy the wealth if you don't have the heal you can't enjoy really much of anything I'm always so impressed with people that though are are not healthy and they just have this like ha like they're these anomalies to me that are like so happy you know what I'm talking about like someone that's like just whoever it is it's like like they're maybe really obese or something but they're just like so joyous I'm like what is what's that secret going

on there cuz I I very much like if I feel off healthwise like I'm just a that's such a Rarity though I'm such an [ __ ] most people I come into or I'm like this person's electric like they're usually like toally very fit you know it's usually like high cardio y like I'm oh you're huge Runner or cyclist or something it's like always something like that it's very rare to find the overweight person totally do you guys think that I'm just curious from of your perspect your perception of this do you

think that you do need cuz there's maybe there's an aspect where I think about this maybe we're jaded since we're in Fitness and we feel there's such a need for this to be it's like I from from what you said there too I couldn't imagine like not having my physical habits that ties my mental habits to feel good right but see like the person you mentioned right that even though they're extremely out of shape or extremely unhealthy they're still extremely happy do you think you need to be you need to

use your body physically to the maybe the extent that we do or to to a part of that to be happier I don't think think there's an absolute answer to that I think from my experience it is your odds are exponentially higher if you are moving your body sweating using that physical for aligning to have a mental to be mentally stable or me like be happy um so I think from my experience that's all I can speak from like yeah when I'm not being physically like moving and whether it's just

long walks like and I'm what ever the movement is not as happy like there is this is a chemical Erector Set that's going on in here and it's just pulling the right lever so for me it's it's been essential for me so far I think the body is designed like the Body Mind and Spirit is designed to burn an equal amount of calories that it that it consumes so you have like your kind of like resting metabolic rate which means like just calories from doing nothing but I think that literally

you got to expend just in general probably about 1,000 calories a day almost uh I think it's ingrained into our DNA I think it's like part of Being Human I think Locomotion is way undersold and it's just extremely helpful some sort of motion like you can you can go in like lift and you can I don't know there's a lot of things you can do but I think they used to say that people used to move like five to seven miles a day and that might even be really modest so

you have like what what is the calorie expenditure associated with traveling in a pack with your family with a little bit of weight on your back maybe you're holding a child and you're you know going from one area to another uh you know at just as we probably did hundreds and thousands of years ago there was there's always there was so much uh like especially here in America there was so much like building and there was just so much [ __ ] going on that like there was people working on the railroad

there was construction workers there was um just people [ __ ] riding horses to deliver mail I mean like the list of [ __ ] goes on and on of like the amount of activity that it took to bring this place to the spot that it's at now where we have the luxury of not expending those calories but I think that I think that motion is ingrained in there somewhere and I think that's why when some people start to get in motion they get so obsessed with it it's like a psychedelic in there like

it's totally it's in your [ __ ] brain I've talked to some people that swim and talking to some people that run and I don't know what the connection and fighting definitely Falls in that category um there's problem solving going on and then there's also I have this weird idea that there's some sort of particular motion that your body needs to go through every day and it has something to do with like your hands and feet being kind of far apart from each other away from the midline of your body and your

body twisting I've heard Joe Rogan kind of describing it and I don't he's just like talking really generally but he's talking about like ringing out Stress and Anxiety that's [ __ ] running it's like you're you're you're literally ringing out your body like I was showing you guys with that continuous rope yeah you're pulling that rope like that spinal twisting that you're doing and David wck and all these people that are so enthusiastic about these kind of movement patterns I think that's why we're nuts about it I think think I have to

feels good to run dog like after I I started running again because like you were you know you you started running I was like I got to bring running back into it and I've been doing Jiu-Jitsu for years already but getting my running gate back and that feeling when you get your gate back and when you feel good running it just feels so [ __ ] good even if you're not running for [ __ ] like 10 miles or whatever I'll just do two mile runs but it feels so damn good afterwards you know

even during you guys ever rock climb ah that would be Inc dude it's such a unique amazing feeling you're talking about contorting your body it's all about your form and it's using every single muscle on your body and you get off and you got the cardio when you're doing top rope little bit of danger a little bit of danger you got the adrenaline going and you got your muscles and you get off and it's social to me it is it's the ultimate for me hard like figuring out where to put

your foot oh dude the form is you could be totally skinny and short it doesn't matter if your form is immaculate like dude you're climbing insane stuff it's wild with the geometry and the physics of what the body can do with just like strong grip mhm yeah it's it's I love rock clim that shit's weird how uh how far up have you climbed and stuff like that I mostly just climb in gyms it's like you know 30 40 feet up I suppos MH yeah yeah that to me is uh I

mean I haven't done to that extent really I mean I have done it in a gym before but never done it like out side but just thinking of like times where I've done stuff like that where I probably shouldn't have cuz it wasn't very safe but just even thinking about like where do I put my foot next and then you see the guy in front of you you're like he put his foot there I should be able to do that then you put your foot there and your whole body starts

to shake and you're like oh [ __ ] I don't know I'm not sure about this that's really interesting think it's similar to Jiu-Jitsu where it's the the chest with the body and the mind and the pre you're just so present and you're just locked in and you get you're done and you just feel amazing that'd be another way for you to kill people it's rock climb you need a high level of body control man and you know the the cool thing cool thing about Jiu-Jitsu and rock climbing and running is that

like when I when I bouldered a few years ago I went a few times you see so many people so many different bodyes so 80y old seriously like men women completely split that's what I love about it and think about that too like I mean you can lift into old age too but when I think of a lot of these things nowadays I think about what are the different types of movements your body is doing and one of the reasons why I I like I I I want people to do

so Jiu-Jitsu so much is because there's so much variability so many different body types you're rolling with but rock climbing now that you mention it all these different ways you're grabbing and putting your feet in different places you got to imagine as you get older that is a super healthy practice like to to be able to do you know I got to get back into it [ __ ] let's do it glad you glad you reminded me what about sleep you guys have decent sleep habit if they suck where are you guys

stand with that I sleep really well I yeah sleep's been my like I was the kid would go to parties when I was young sleepovers and I'd go to sleep first so sleep's like that's a dream for me you've been locked in since you a kid huh oh I'm I'm I'm in bed by 8:30 you too same here yeah eating early is I eat by like 5 5:30 that's the key I think yeah CBD helps um those the big ones CBD and THC yeah there we go okay one second you

said t so so we're taking the the cured stuff it's a different uh Cambo CBN in there CBN is in there it's a really nice one CBN CBN what's the company what's it called cured Cur cured is the company they have a a night cap that's tremendous they're incredible um really best I've had for like sleep from like a CBD side and there is level like you know CBD it has to have point less than 0 3% of THC in it so there is like Trace THC in it um you

know for it not to be labeled with THC I don't utilize THC very of like hardly ever um but yeah it's a nice especially if I've had like a night or two that wasn't optimal and I need that sleep like I will take one of those and just have incredible dreams and sleep through the night do you guys use like a Chili pad or like an sleep those are that's that's the biggest like game like thing you could buy yeah total Game Changer cuz you just get hot in the middle

of the night otherwise right dude I'm a hot sleeper I used to like [ __ ] wet the bed with my sweat it was somewhat embarrassing at times that's the worst it is not fun it is not fun at all when you wake up you're like holy [ __ ] uhhuh I was hot underneath those blankets yeah you can't sleep how come you can't sleep without a blanket I mean you kind of can but it's kind of hard well it's weird right blankies like come did we always have blankets like back in the day

like they didn't have blankets cavemen y'all sleep with clothes on or NY n maybe boxers boxers yeah I like a little home for the boys I you know it's like it's a little too can't be too free I go shorts you go shorts and boxers shorts no boxers shorts no yeah okay oh hey let them kind of roll around yeah you guys are big mouth tape guys too right yeah yeah we got some hostage tape for you guys right here awesome thanks brother we're giving it to everybody that comes to

dog bang I know we were talking few over here about uh oh this is these are masks there's there's nothing in here oh no well cuz it's right here yeah man these are just TV props did this take you guys a while to get used to cuz I did the slex for a couple nights and it was like I was having weird dreams about it you know all right so tell me so do you feel uncomfortable when you tape your mouth shut at night like does it make naturally kind of

wants to be open like based on my bite so I feel like the mouth tape for me is it's a little tough but maybe I just need to do like a week straight and get over a hump with it you're definitely not wrong the the jaw does relax when you when you fall asleep and it's supposed to It's supposed to relax but having your lips like kind of glued together or taped together in this case uh is going to still allow that jaw to relax like your whole face will still

relax into your sleep um but the mouth tape is really easy to use you just kind of pull it apart here and then you just kind of stick it stick it on the lips and it's just enough to uh keep the lips together both you guys have uh facial hair so sometimes with some of the other products that we've used in the past we've had issues and SEMA had to kind of like tape himself up like a crazy person uh yeah it's like kind of hard to uh to get it

to stay on there but we've noticed a big difference with these so we think you guys will really like it a lot I'm going to give it a world yeah just give it a few nights I know you're were talking give it just even though it feels uncomfortable give it a few nights because like if your mouth can just stay closed dog you sleep well now you'll sleep way I do the I do the nose the bre right that's smart to do yeah you guys do those too yeah I do

I got big ass nostrils so I don't necessarily need it but I do notice that I breathe a little better when I have it on I know you love it yeah I haven't used those in a while but you don't need after you're taping along enough like maybe you don't even need it right it' probably be a good idea for me especially when I'm running J Neer talks about in his book breath like once you're breathing through your nose enough like stuff just keeps opening up yeah yeah that's what like

I was telling Ryan that when I started mouth taping like three or four years ago what I noticed is like the nights that I would forget to use it sleep clouded wouldn't be as good right but after first off I got in a habit of using it so I never forgot to use it if there was a random night that I would forget i' notic I'd woke up I wake up in the morning but my mouth wasn't dry because now I'm perpetually breathing through my nose when I sleep like there's

I don't have that habit of dropping having my mouth drop open now I'll still [ __ ] use mouth tape just because it's like I'm it's another security to make sure my mouth doesn't uh fall open but I'm used to it now like I nasal breathe when I sleep now which is dope and you adapted immediately no know it took you a little while to do to I'm saying when you wore this when you mouth taped first night you were sleeping good with it yeah for me it didn't give me anxiety it

like I know there are some people like like my girl it's like she has she she it makes her feel like closed off and stuff but for me it didn't give me any anxiety so I slept well um but for some people they just need I think they just need to use it a little more yeah or got used to it yeah use it uh during the day at some point like maybe like before bed if you're going to watch a show or something just throw it on just so that

way you can understand that you're not going to like die by wearing a little bit of mouth tape yeah do you mouth breathe at all during the day I do you do yeah I mean when I'm like intention like I try and bring my thoughts back to it and go focus on my nose but um yeah I mean I'll tend to kind of mouth breathe yeah that's yeah actually keep keep it on a lot of times like in the morning cuz I'm the only one awake and I'm like I might

as well just keep it on I'll go in the cold plunge with it on so now it's makes it a little harder I got to try to try to breathe just in and out of the nose um obviously if there's someone awake then you know I feel like I got to talk I got I got to talk to him yeah but yeah anyway I think uh you guys are going to notice a big difference with it and it does take it does take a little while and it might you know

it might end up sideways on your face and you you might uh have to mess with it here and there but over time you're not going to want to sleep without it awesome sick Andrew take us on out of here buddy sure thing uh make sure you guys stick around for smelly's tip before we get out of here don't want to miss that uh but let us know what you guys think about today's conversation uh drop all those comments down below let us know what you guys think about cold plunging

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you guys are make you're going to be making a what is it again snorkel snorkel okay so you said that you actually cold plunge like in that style every morning right yeah yeah every morning I I take a few deep breaths and then pop in the snorkel got a little nose plug and we actually have two different tips for the snorkel so there's like 8 mm which is like the pro smaller smaller one then there's a 10 kind of starter or you just do none and you just got a snorkel

yeah um I turn off the plunge so it's quiet so there's no pump going I'm at like 50° because my head's in and you want to be a little if you're normally plunging at like 40 or something I would recommend going up to like 45 if you're going to do full like snorkel 3 minutes give you a headache right give you a headache and then just work down from there if if you're good you're good but I go in and really just try to take really big breaths and breathe out

slow and I just try to slow my breathing down throughout it and at the end I mean my breaths must be 10 15 seconds long and I'm holding my breath like like you do you hold your breath for a while and slowly let it out and it becomes so meditative and like I saw you in there today with a straw you were just so then at a certain point at the end your breast got really slow you could have stayed in for much longer I can tell and you get to

a point where you're you're not cold then you're just chilling and you're just you're just focusing on your breath in and out it's so meditative and peaceful and I just look forward to it and it's it's cool I'm excited to to sell a snorkel and see you know who enjoys it I'm very excited for that because doing it with a straw if you do it wrong you're I got a little bit of water in my mouth today cuz it it slipped out butes it is a c experience it's a littleit

a little bit deeper but check it out guys on Instagram YouTube see yinyang on Tik Tok and Twitter go to our website power project. live for all our [ __ ] Ryan Mike where can people find you guys uh Instagram at Ryan ay also have a podcast the journey hey Spotify check it out um yeah those the main two spots and find us at the CPL punch.com the CPL punch.com hit us up all right I forgot to mention on Joe Rogan he had David goggin on and I think they were talking about

the cold plunge and he mentioned Hicks and Gracie goes in there and dunks his head and all that kind of stuff but they also mentioned that there was a guy that fixed his um his like PSA I think which is has uh sometimes negative association to your uh your prostate and uh the guy did cold plunging for like 3 minutes every morning and seemed to have not only altered that but also I think he increased his testosterone level so again this is like a one of one this is a guy

that like just you know went out of his way to do it but if you listen to that episode you could find some of that information I just think it's really interesting who the hell knows we we had a guy at reboot who can't he had an unlimited membership to cryo and he he would had a prostate issue go to his doctor he did cryo every day and he he went to his doctor over and over and it is went away didn't have a prostate issue CU it's it's an connected

to inflammation completely damn so but yeah testosterone's a big one too freeze that up have you guys sorry I know we're trying to get out here but like have you guys noticed anyone reporting like a libido Boost after getting in and out of the cold plunge on a regular basis because I definitely can feel that I don't know what it is but like I get out of the shower and I'm like chasing my wife down well your dick get smaller huh I don't know what it is I've heard it I've

heard that okay yeah a bounce back yeah something something's going on there it could be yeah it takes that momentum and just [ __ ] runs with it y all right cool awesome guys thanks for having us on was fun the smelly tip for today is about accommodating resistance I made a post about it on my Instagram which is marks Milly Bell I talked about utilizing bands and chains the weights are lighter at the bottom they're heavier at the top the same exact thing occurs when you utilize something like the slingshot I

want to encourage people to look into some elbow sleeves knee sleeves things like the slingshot obviously because I sell those things and I'm a money hungry [ __ ] right but the things can really be super beneficial for you because there's a lot of wear and tear that happens when you're training and if you train smart and you can select exercises appropriately you can utilize a little bit bit of equipment maybe it's some bands maybe it's some chains maybe it's a slingshot um you can still train hard you can still train heavy

and you can still be in pursuit of the things that you love strength is never weakness weakness is never strength catch you guys later bye peace