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Should you sauna before or after exercise? And what about the ice bath exercise? And what about the ice bath craze? Does putting the two of them craze? Does putting the two of them together really increase your health together really increase your health benefits, or does it just cancel itself benefits, or does it just cancel itself out? On today's video, we're going to be out? On today's video, we're going to be talking all about the science behind talking all about the science behind sauna stacking and how to use it sauna stacking and how to use it effectively to get the most out of your effectively to get the most out of your sweat. If you didn't see my last video sweat. If you didn't see my last video on the differences between the infrared on the differences between the infrared sauna and the traditional high heat sauna and the traditional high heat finish sauna, go back and check that finish sauna, go back and check that video out. to save you some time. The video out. to save you some time. The biggest impacts of an infrared sauna is biggest impacts of an infrared sauna is that in infrared sauna is going to be a that in infrared sauna is going to be a low heat sauna. It's going to be about low heat sauna. It's going to be about 120 to 140 150 degrees. Because of that, 120 to 140 150 degrees. Because of that, you're going to have to stay in it for a you're going to have to stay in it for a longer period of time. Infrared saunas longer period of time. Infrared saunas are also going to have near, mid, or far are also going to have near, mid, or far infrared wavelengths which are going to infrared wavelengths which are going to penetrate deeper into the skin. This is penetrate deeper into the skin. This is going to help with microirculation, going to help with microirculation, stress relief, pain, and recovery. The stress relief, pain, and recovery. The high heat finished sauna is going to be high heat finished sauna is going to be obviously a higher heat, typically 180 obviously a higher heat, typically 180 to 210°. Because of this, we're going to to 210°. Because of this, we're going to get a stronger cardiovascular effect.
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get a stronger cardiovascular effect. Finished saunas have been studied Finished saunas have been studied significantly for the decreases in significantly for the decreases in cardiovascular mort mortality and also cardiovascular mort mortality and also for the decrease in dementia and for the decrease in dementia and Alzheimer's risks. So, it's important to Alzheimer's risks. So, it's important to understand what the benefits are of each understand what the benefits are of each sauna and when to use each one. And sauna and when to use each one. And again, you can see all that information again, you can see all that information in my previous video. For today's video, in my previous video. For today's video, for the most part, when we talk about for the most part, when we talk about sauna stacking with cold plunging and sauna stacking with cold plunging and using sauna before or after exercise, using sauna before or after exercise, we're mainly talking about those high we're mainly talking about those high heat finish saunas. And while you could heat finish saunas. And while you could use an infrared sauna for any of these use an infrared sauna for any of these situ situations, it's just going to take situ situations, it's just going to take a lot longer. So again, typically the a lot longer. So again, typically the finished sauna is going to be the most finished sauna is going to be the most effective to be utilized before or after effective to be utilized before or after exercise and in the stacking of cold and exercise and in the stacking of cold and heat exposure or contrast therapy. So heat exposure or contrast therapy. So let's jump into it. Let's start talking let's jump into it. Let's start talking about when we're going to be utilizing about when we're going to be utilizing the sauna around exercise. So, some the sauna around exercise. So, some people will get on the treadmill or people will get on the treadmill or they'll warm up on an exercise bike or a they'll warm up on an exercise bike or a stairmaster or something like that stairmaster or something like that before exercise and they may notice that before exercise and they may notice that they're able to get into their exercise they're able to get into their exercise routine better when they've already routine better when they've already warmed up. This is because we're going warmed up. This is because we're going to increase blood circulation. We're
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to increase blood circulation. We're going to start to elevate that heart going to start to elevate that heart rate. And a lot of times, you can use rate. And a lot of times, you can use the sauna for exactly the same purpose. the sauna for exactly the same purpose. If you're going to be utilizing a sauna If you're going to be utilizing a sauna before exercise, we don't want to stay before exercise, we don't want to stay in it for as long because staying in the in it for as long because staying in the sauna for too long, we can dehydrate sauna for too long, we can dehydrate ourselves and we may start to see a ourselves and we may start to see a decrease in that peak performance. So, decrease in that peak performance. So, if you're going to get in the sauna if you're going to get in the sauna before exercise, just try to get in it before exercise, just try to get in it for as long as it takes to really just for as long as it takes to really just start to feel that heart rate elevate. start to feel that heart rate elevate. The absolute best time to use a sauna is The absolute best time to use a sauna is after exercise. And this is because after exercise. And this is because during exercise, there's a series of during exercise, there's a series of stimulating or signaling molecules that stimulating or signaling molecules that are produced in the body that help to are produced in the body that help to stimulate muscle protein synthesis and stimulate muscle protein synthesis and growth. and adaptation. Utilizing the growth. and adaptation. Utilizing the high heat sauna after exercise increases high heat sauna after exercise increases the growth hormones. It increases heat the growth hormones. It increases heat shock proteins and it helps to really shock proteins and it helps to really accelerate the adaptation and recovery accelerate the adaptation and recovery phase. Studies actually show that a post phase. Studies actually show that a post exercise sauna increases endurance and exercise sauna increases endurance and mitochondrial benefits. So, it's mitochondrial benefits. So, it's absolutely amazing to get in the sauna absolutely amazing to get in the sauna for 15 to 30 minutes after exercise. The for 15 to 30 minutes after exercise. The goal of a sauna is to increase our core goal of a sauna is to increase our core body temperature to 101.3°
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body temperature to 101.3° or so. That's where we're going to get or so. That's where we're going to get the maximal benefits from a the maximal benefits from a cardiovascular standpoint and also from cardiovascular standpoint and also from a heat shock protein standpoint. Now, a heat shock protein standpoint. Now, it's not going to be realistic to it's not going to be realistic to measure your core body temperature in a measure your core body temperature in a sauna. But if you're in a sauna that's sauna. But if you're in a sauna that's 180 to 210°, it's going to take about 15 180 to 210°, it's going to take about 15 to 30 minutes to get there. However, if to 30 minutes to get there. However, if you just increased your body temperature you just increased your body temperature during an exercise bout, you probably during an exercise bout, you probably aren't going to have to stay in the aren't going to have to stay in the sauna for quite as long. The next thing sauna for quite as long. The next thing that we'll talk about is when to utilize that we'll talk about is when to utilize sauna around cold plunge and the idea of sauna around cold plunge and the idea of contrast therapy. This is something contrast therapy. This is something that's gaining a lot of traction in that's gaining a lot of traction in recent media and a lot of people are recent media and a lot of people are starting to utilize it. But it's starting to utilize it. But it's important to understand how and when to important to understand how and when to use contrast therapy and in which order use contrast therapy and in which order we want to use the heat and the cold. So we want to use the heat and the cold. So just a quick recap of cold plunging. If just a quick recap of cold plunging. If you didn't see my video on cold you didn't see my video on cold plunging, we'll link that in the plunging, we'll link that in the description below so you can go ahead description below so you can go ahead and check that out to get a whole recap and check that out to get a whole recap of what cold plunging is. But just a of what cold plunging is. But just a quick recap, cold plunging is for the quick recap, cold plunging is for the most part going to increase most part going to increase noradrenaline or norepinephrine, which noradrenaline or norepinephrine, which is a stress hormone. It's going to
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is a stress hormone. It's going to increase cold shock proteins unlike increase cold shock proteins unlike saunas which increase heat shock saunas which increase heat shock proteins. We're going to stimulate our proteins. We're going to stimulate our brown atapose tissue which is a brown atapose tissue which is a thermogenic tissue and we're also going thermogenic tissue and we're also going to see an increase in the immune to see an increase in the immune response because of that. Now after response because of that. Now after exercise we don't want to cold punch. exercise we don't want to cold punch. Gatorade just released an uh a kind of a Gatorade just released an uh a kind of a smear campaign against cold punching smear campaign against cold punching saying that cold punching stops muscle saying that cold punching stops muscle development and muscle growth. And so development and muscle growth. And so because of that cold punching kind of because of that cold punching kind of got this bad rap. However, it makes got this bad rap. However, it makes sense if we understand what's happening sense if we understand what's happening physiologically and what the specific physiologically and what the specific pathway is that's happening within a pathway is that's happening within a cold plunge that might shunt muscle cold plunge that might shunt muscle muscle growth. So, I never recommend muscle growth. So, I never recommend cold plunging after a bout of exercise. cold plunging after a bout of exercise. Um, specifically a bout of strength Um, specifically a bout of strength training. Now, what's going to happen is training. Now, what's going to happen is we're going to increase or we're going we're going to increase or we're going to decrease mTor, which is mamal to decrease mTor, which is mamal mamalian target of rapidosin. This is mamalian target of rapidosin. This is kind of a nutrient sensing molecule kind of a nutrient sensing molecule within the cell. It tells the cell within the cell. It tells the cell whether we should go into growth phase whether we should go into growth phase or whether we should shut down and go or whether we should shut down and go into more of an apoptosis type cellular into more of an apoptosis type cellular regeneration phase. Right? And so if
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regeneration phase. Right? And so if we're trying to increase muscle mass, we we're trying to increase muscle mass, we don't want to be decreasing our mTor, don't want to be decreasing our mTor, which is why we want to stay away from which is why we want to stay away from cold punching after exercise. Now, in cold punching after exercise. Now, in some cases, if you get into a cold some cases, if you get into a cold plunge, and I'll kind of do this myself plunge, and I'll kind of do this myself sometimes, is I want to cool my body sometimes, is I want to cool my body temperature off as fast as possible temperature off as fast as possible after, say, like a long bike ride or a after, say, like a long bike ride or a long run, where I don't want to keep my long run, where I don't want to keep my body super super high, and I don't want body super super high, and I don't want to keep my heart rate super high. So, I to keep my heart rate super high. So, I want to keep that get that down quickly. want to keep that get that down quickly. I'll jump in the cold punch after that I'll jump in the cold punch after that to kind of create my own contrast to kind of create my own contrast therapy uh and decrease my body therapy uh and decrease my body temperature and my heart rate as quickly temperature and my heart rate as quickly as possible. but I'm not staying in it as possible. but I'm not staying in it for as long and I'm not typically going for as long and I'm not typically going to get in it if it's super super cold. to get in it if it's super super cold. So, when we talk about sauna and cold So, when we talk about sauna and cold punch contrast therapy, there's a couple punch contrast therapy, there's a couple different ways that we can do this. The different ways that we can do this. The traditional Nordic model of contrast traditional Nordic model of contrast therapy is going to be intermittent therapy is going to be intermittent bouts of sauna and then cold exposure. bouts of sauna and then cold exposure. And we always want to end on the sauna. And we always want to end on the sauna. Uh, and the reason for that is it's Uh, and the reason for that is it's going to help us kind of with some of going to help us kind of with some of that stress resilience. And ending in a
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that stress resilience. And ending in a sauna is going to help us with sauna is going to help us with increasing that parasympathetic increasing that parasympathetic activity. So if we go just from hot to activity. So if we go just from hot to cold, that's going to help with stress cold, that's going to help with stress resilience. If we go from cold to hot, resilience. If we go from cold to hot, that's going to help more with stress that's going to help more with stress adaptation uh and parasympathetic adaptation uh and parasympathetic activation, which again is our rest and activation, which again is our rest and digest. So again, true contrast therapy digest. So again, true contrast therapy is going to be that alternating between is going to be that alternating between hot and cold. This is amazing kind of as hot and cold. This is amazing kind of as a vascular workout. So we have different a vascular workout. So we have different types of muscle in our body. We've got types of muscle in our body. We've got our skeletal muscle, which is the our skeletal muscle, which is the muscles that contract that we exercise muscles that contract that we exercise when we're doing strength training when we're doing strength training belts. But we also have smooth muscle in belts. But we also have smooth muscle in a lot of places. And smooth muscle a lot of places. And smooth muscle specifically surrounds our vascular specifically surrounds our vascular tissue. And that contraction and tissue. And that contraction and relaxation of the smooth muscle is what relaxation of the smooth muscle is what allows blood flow to go from either our allows blood flow to go from either our periphery to our internal organs. It's periphery to our internal organs. It's what allows our blood pressure to what allows our blood pressure to modulate to drive blood to different modulate to drive blood to different areas of the body. And just like areas of the body. And just like strength training benefits our skeletal strength training benefits our skeletal muscle, doing contrast therapy can muscle, doing contrast therapy can actually benefit our smooth muscle. So actually benefit our smooth muscle. So when we go into a sauna, we're going to when we go into a sauna, we're going to get a lot of peripheral vasoddilation, get a lot of peripheral vasoddilation, which means that all that blood flow is which means that all that blood flow is going to be shunted to the external part
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going to be shunted to the external part of the body. When we go into a cold of the body. When we go into a cold punch, we get the exact opposite effect punch, we get the exact opposite effect that happens where we're going to get that happens where we're going to get vasoc constriction and we're going to vasoc constriction and we're going to shunt all of that blood flow back into shunt all of that blood flow back into the internal organs to the brain, things the internal organs to the brain, things like that. So going between the two of like that. So going between the two of them can be a really great way to kind them can be a really great way to kind of get some of that vascular workout in. of get some of that vascular workout in. Now with that, we need to be very Now with that, we need to be very careful that we're not doing this if we careful that we're not doing this if we have a significantly compromised have a significantly compromised cardiovascular system because it does cardiovascular system because it does put stress on the body. And if we're in put stress on the body. And if we're in a state that we just can't handle stress a state that we just can't handle stress or our resilience is super low, it's or our resilience is super low, it's probably also not a good idea to be probably also not a good idea to be doing this type of alternation uh of doing this type of alternation uh of cold and hot therapy. Um, but what we're cold and hot therapy. Um, but what we're going to do is we're going to get that going to do is we're going to get that increase in circulation. We're going to increase in circulation. We're going to get a decrease in inflammation. This is get a decrease in inflammation. This is really going to help our resilience. So, really going to help our resilience. So, we talk about resilience, we've got we talk about resilience, we've got training and we've got recovery. And you training and we've got recovery. And you put those two together and it creates put those two together and it creates resilience. Resilience is super resilience. Resilience is super important from a longevity standpoint important from a longevity standpoint and also just helping to make sure that and also just helping to make sure that we're going to be able to go through and we're going to be able to go through and do our workouts and everything without do our workouts and everything without getting hurt, without getting sick, getting hurt, without getting sick, without the body breaking down. So, without the body breaking down. So, doing stuff to specifically train
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doing stuff to specifically train resilience, uh, is super important. So, resilience, uh, is super important. So, we talk about protocols. There's a we talk about protocols. There's a couple different ways that we can do couple different ways that we can do this. If we want to just maximize our this. If we want to just maximize our post-workouts, um, increase longevity, post-workouts, um, increase longevity, things like that, that's where we can do things like that, that's where we can do like a 20 to 25 minute sauna, that high like a 20 to 25 minute sauna, that high heat sauna immediately following the heat sauna immediately following the workout. And then we can also pair that workout. And then we can also pair that with some cold exposure. Now, it's with some cold exposure. Now, it's always important to note that when we always important to note that when we talk about cold punching, you can cold talk about cold punching, you can cold punch all the way down to 35, 38, 39 punch all the way down to 35, 38, 39 degrees, right? But we don't want to do degrees, right? But we don't want to do that in the context of contrast therapy that in the context of contrast therapy because of going from the high heat to because of going from the high heat to the cold. It can really shock the the cold. It can really shock the system, especially in untrained or system, especially in untrained or unadapted individuals. Uh, and it can unadapted individuals. Uh, and it can really amplify the stress response really amplify the stress response beyond where we want it to. So, we're beyond where we want it to. So, we're talking about sauna exposure. sauna talking about sauna exposure. sauna around 180 degrees. Uh, and then the around 180 degrees. Uh, and then the cold punch, we're going to want that cold punch, we're going to want that closer to 50 degrees, 50 55 degrees. closer to 50 degrees, 50 55 degrees. That's going to be enough to trigger That's going to be enough to trigger that stress response, that that stress response, that norepinephrine response, and it's going norepinephrine response, and it's going to be enough to create that vascular to be enough to create that vascular constriction that we're trying to get constriction that we're trying to get for the vascular vascular uh effects,
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for the vascular vascular uh effects, right? Um, so again, post-workout 20 right? Um, so again, post-workout 20 minute sauna, optional cold plunge. This minute sauna, optional cold plunge. This could also be just a cold shower um to could also be just a cold shower um to kind of constrict those muscles and kind kind of constrict those muscles and kind of redirect that blood flow. On recovery of redirect that blood flow. On recovery days or if we're trying to stress days or if we're trying to stress relief, this is where we can do kind of relief, this is where we can do kind of the the sauna to cold punch. Typically, the the sauna to cold punch. Typically, if it's a recovery day, we're going to if it's a recovery day, we're going to want to end on heat because again, want to end on heat because again, that's going to activate that that's going to activate that parasympathetic nervous system. And what parasympathetic nervous system. And what this could look like is a 20-minut this could look like is a 20-minut sauna, one to two minute cold plunge. So sauna, one to two minute cold plunge. So again, we're not trying to get the again, we're not trying to get the benefits, the full benefit that we would benefits, the full benefit that we would typically get with a cold plunge. And typically get with a cold plunge. And we're not necessarily trying to get the we're not necessarily trying to get the the full benefit that we would get from the full benefit that we would get from a sauna. So, we don't want to go full a sauna. So, we don't want to go full boore on the sauna and full boore on the boore on the sauna and full boore on the cold plunge. I made the mistake of going cold plunge. I made the mistake of going from a 45minute infrared sauna session from a 45minute infrared sauna session to a 43°ree cold plunge for 4 minutes to a 43°ree cold plunge for 4 minutes and I feel like I was going to pass out and I feel like I was going to pass out for like an hour. I will not make that for like an hour. I will not make that mistake again. And I would advise that mistake again. And I would advise that you not make that mistake either. So you not make that mistake either. So again, if the goal is recovery and the
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again, if the goal is recovery and the goal is contrast therapy, we need to goal is contrast therapy, we need to adapt the temperatures and the duration adapt the temperatures and the duration of time to accommodate that. Um so again of time to accommodate that. Um so again 180 degrees or so for the sauna about 20 180 degrees or so for the sauna about 20 minutes cold plunging in the 50 degree minutes cold plunging in the 50 degree range for about one to two minutes. range for about one to two minutes. Um and then we can do resilience Um and then we can do resilience training where we cycle this. The training where we cycle this. The cycling again goal resilience training cycling again goal resilience training versus goal stress relief and recovery. versus goal stress relief and recovery. If we're trying to recover the body, we If we're trying to recover the body, we don't want to be putting a ton of stress don't want to be putting a ton of stress on it like we would in the cycling. So on it like we would in the cycling. So the cycling you're going to basically go the cycling you're going to basically go back and forth between the two of those back and forth between the two of those three to four times. this is going to be three to four times. this is going to be an hour or so of work trying to kind of an hour or so of work trying to kind of go between those two things. And again, go between those two things. And again, that's going to really help with that's going to really help with vascular resilience uh and endurance, vascular resilience uh and endurance, right? Um if you're going to be doing right? Um if you're going to be doing the cycling like that, you need to make the cycling like that, you need to make sure that you understand you're really sure that you understand you're really extending the amount of time that you're extending the amount of time that you're in a sauna much past what you typically in a sauna much past what you typically would. Again, a typical sauna session is would. Again, a typical sauna session is going to be 15 to 30 minutes. If you're going to be 15 to 30 minutes. If you're cycling 20 minute sessions, you're going
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cycling 20 minute sessions, you're going to get close to 40, 60, 120 minutes in to get close to 40, 60, 120 minutes in the sauna. And hydration becomes the sauna. And hydration becomes extremely extremely important. You may extremely extremely important. You may not notice how hydr dehydrated you are not notice how hydr dehydrated you are or how much you're sweating because or how much you're sweating because you're jumping into the sa or into the you're jumping into the sa or into the cold plunge between those bouts. But cold plunge between those bouts. But again, really make sure that you are again, really make sure that you are hydrating yourself and really make sure hydrating yourself and really make sure that you're getting minerals back in that you're getting minerals back in because when you sweat, you lose all because when you sweat, you lose all those minerals. So getting a really good those minerals. So getting a really good electrolyte supplement in there is going electrolyte supplement in there is going to be super super important with that. to be super super important with that. The other thing that I see this really The other thing that I see this really beneficial for is people who are trying beneficial for is people who are trying to detox. One of the issues that we get to detox. One of the issues that we get is just stagnation of blood flow. We're is just stagnation of blood flow. We're not circulating our blood to all of our not circulating our blood to all of our tissues. And because of that, it's easy tissues. And because of that, it's easy for toxins and chemicals and things like for toxins and chemicals and things like that to get bound up in tissue. And so, that to get bound up in tissue. And so, if we're doing something like contrast if we're doing something like contrast therapy, we're going to be forcing blood therapy, we're going to be forcing blood to move all through our body. That to move all through our body. That increase in fluid dynamics is going to increase in fluid dynamics is going to really help pull up and circulate and really help pull up and circulate and get toxins into the liver to be excreted get toxins into the liver to be excreted through the body. So, this is something through the body. So, this is something I recommend a lot on people who are I recommend a lot on people who are going through things like mold detoxes going through things like mold detoxes and stuff like that. However, we don't and stuff like that. However, we don't ever want to do this if our detox
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ever want to do this if our detox pathways aren't opened up. And so, if pathways aren't opened up. And so, if you don't know if your detox pathways you don't know if your detox pathways are moving, you can reach out. We can do are moving, you can reach out. We can do a quick complimentary call. We can kind a quick complimentary call. We can kind of talk through what that may look like. of talk through what that may look like. And if you need some extra support with And if you need some extra support with that, I'd be more than happy to help you that, I'd be more than happy to help you with it as well. So, just a quick with it as well. So, just a quick overview. Again, infrared saunas, high overview. Again, infrared saunas, high heat saunas, cold plunges, they're all heat saunas, cold plunges, they're all great. They all have their own benefits. great. They all have their own benefits. Go back and watch those videos if you Go back and watch those videos if you want to utilize them individually. If want to utilize them individually. If we're trying to work utilize a sauna we're trying to work utilize a sauna around exercise, the best time to use a around exercise, the best time to use a finished sauna is going to be finished sauna is going to be immediately following exercise for about immediately following exercise for about 20 minutes. You can pair that with an 20 minutes. You can pair that with an optional cold shower or something like optional cold shower or something like that. If we want to cycle the sauna, that. If we want to cycle the sauna, typically we're going to do a 20 minute typically we're going to do a 20 minute bout of sauna around 180°. We're going bout of sauna around 180°. We're going to jump into the cold plunge for 1 to 2 to jump into the cold plunge for 1 to 2 minutes around 50 to 55 degrees. And if minutes around 50 to 55 degrees. And if we're trying to build resilience within we're trying to build resilience within the system, we can do that for about the system, we can do that for about three to four cycles. Just really making three to four cycles. Just really making sure that we're being mindful of the sure that we're being mindful of the hydration status and of the minerals hydration status and of the minerals that we're taking in during that session that we're taking in during that session so we're not going to deplete our so we're not going to deplete our bodies. The next episode we're going to
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bodies. The next episode we're going to talk all about infrared saunas and high talk all about infrared saunas and high heat saunas and their boosting on the heat saunas and their boosting on the immune system defense against cold, flu, immune system defense against cold, flu, and chronic illnesses. So stay tuned, and chronic illnesses. So stay tuned, like and subscribe. Follow along for like and subscribe. Follow along for that next video and I hope to see you that next video and I hope to see you there. [Music]