Transcript: Inside a Wim Hof Retreat: Cold, Breath, and Presence

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Mike, how are we doing today? Doing great, Frank. Right, too. Welcome back to the United States and Arizona. America, right? Where have you been, my friend? Uh, I've been uh Scandinavia. Is that where you at? Yeah. Well, actually, I flew into Finland. Um Okay. and then flew from there to Tottenheim, uh, Norway, and then I had to drive into Sweden. So, I was pretty much in Sweden. That's freaking awesome. So, we got a special episode for listeners today. Uh, our very own, uh, Frank Daily Poke, co-host of Perspective Shift, just recently was with um, our our new friend, Mr. Wim Hoff. Yeah. In Sweden. And did was there a name of this event? Like is it a like a certain thing? No, it's just the Wimhof method in in Sweden. That's what he calls it. He called it cold as I was there. People had t-shirts. Breathe. Like I want to get one. I was saying Whim's missing out. He needs to print those shirts and stuff. I think they got it from him cuz that's who he says. Breathe. That's funny. He's He's a character, man. Oh, I bet. So, we're going to do an episode today on all things Wimhof. Prior to this uh taping, uh Frank and I just sat down and we we just finished doing our own Wimhof uh little session,

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doing our own Wimhof uh little session, you know, three rounds, 30 breaths each. So, that was great loosening up. But, we figured we'd go over I I would love to interview Frank today about the uh his experience cuz I I know anybody listening, anybody who, you know, follower of this show, you guys are familiar with Wimhof and his work. Uh he's doing a lot of great things um out there for people. How long have you personally, Frank, known about Wimhof? cuz you've known it. You introduced me to him. Yeah. Um I want to say like 8 nine years. I first had seen him on Joe Rogan. Okay. But he's been doing it like 20, right? Oh, he's been doing longer than that. Yeah. Okay. He became real pop. I think obviously when he made it on to Joe Rogan, it probably amplified it. But I mean, they have like old TV shows of like, you know, him doing stuff. Oh yeah. The time he got on to Joe Rogan, he was very well known. He hiked to top of Mount Everest. He did a um a marathon in the Arctic Circle. He almost lost his toes. I didn't know that. Yeah. But he's like due to frostbite. Yeah. But he's like, "Don't cut him off." He just he he breathed and his feet came back to life. That's so funny. Like I'm just going to breathe. Yes. Even though breathing, you know. So yeah. And then like uh I think it was only a couple months, maybe three or four months later if I'm not mistaken, is when he hiked uh Mount Everest and after he almost lost his toes. Holy crap. He's insane. He is. Didn't he also do a Death Valley thing? Um, yeah. He ran I think it was extreme heat or Yeah, it was in the summer in Death Valley. So, yeah. So, he so his technique of breathing

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is what put him on a map. Yeah. Helps regulate the nervous system and then obviously he's known for the cold plunging and stuff like that. Um, and so he's one of the most tested individuals on the planet and he he went over a lot of the science and new studies they came out with and stuff. But I think as as they keep study it, it's kind of like a no-brainer this breathing technique, it works. Um, now so his specific breathing technique what we do is kind of breathing in um a lot of times he encourages you to breathe in the mouth, out the mouth. Yeah. Just to get more oxygen. But these are deep bre belly breaths. Yeah. He also would talk about this. I don't know stuff happened in the past um where um he talked about his his method of breathing. Do not do this in water. He said that. Yeah, he said that. Okay. So, um I guess people have gotten hurt and drowned it. So, passing out of that nature. Yeah. When you're breathing like that much and and part of it you're doing outole breath and then you're doing a recovery breath with the squeezing of the paranneeium and everything else and you can get lightheaded. So when you're laying down or sitting down, you're not far from the ground if you pass out, right? You just lay there. Yeah. You just lay there. But in water, it's dangerous. So um just simple breathing in like very calm breathing in your nose and out your mouth. It was recommended when it was just keep your heart rate down. So there's no um worries there. How long was this retreat? And it was located in Sweden. Yeah, it was located in Sweden. And it's

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Yeah, it was located in Sweden. And it's or or it um I was saying R cuz I'm from the United States. It's spelled A R E. And K from C is like, "No, it's R." I'm like, "All right." I thought I was saying. Yeah, I was saying it probably. Yeah. Okay. So, we're in Sweden. It's a 4-day event. How many people are present? Just so we can pay for 200 people. 200? Yeah. 200 people. Over just over 200 people. That's a lot. Yeah. Uh from all over the world. Okay. You know, there people from the States, people from Australia. Yeah. Nice. Um Um Oh, Christopher Blackwell, what's up? Yeah. from your part of town like South America, different parts of that. I think there's a couple people from um some Orient Asian countries. I think someone was from Cool. So yeah, pretty much all over the world. Most most people that they were there were from parts of Europe. Okay. And everyone spoke English. Yeah. Okay. Some people So you were able to communicate with people? Oh yeah. They couldn't communicate with me because I speak New York. Like this guy's accent. I can't tell what the hell you from like I speak. What the hell is coffee? Like English is my first language people. It's my only language. Yeah. Uh how many like uh was there anybody like uh uh I would you say it was mainly Americans or mainly Europeans? Oh, so totally. Okay. Yeah, definitely mainly. So he's also he's not just huge name here. He's a worldwide name. Yeah, worldwide. Cuz he's from um uh what do you call it? Cuz he has an accent. Yeah, he's from Amsterdam. Is that where he's from? Amsterdam. Interesting. Yeah. So he's from Amsterdam. He has a place in Poland. I think he still has it. Um, so he has a place there. He

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has it. Um, so he has a place there. He does retreats there, but I think those are smaller retreats he does with people. He had a video showing his house. Oh, really? It's pretty cool. Yeah. What was it? Just a small normal It was on YouTube. Oh, yeah. He's like, "Yeah, I bought this house and you know, it was a shamble." He showed a picture of it. He redid it. Um, but on the reason he bought it on the property, it has a watering hole. That's what I figured. I was going to say he's got some sort of ice water feature. Yeah. So he's all about cold exposure and stuff and well that's what's so fascinating because when I heard about him was probably six seven years ago through you Frank and I remember I did a deep dive on him and I remember watching like it was like a 60 minutes thing and they like had him in like a hospital bed they had his brain all hooked up to all these like they were running tests on him while he was doing his breathing and things like that and like um isn't there like a clip of him like where they actually inject him with a ecoli. Yeah. See, is that was that him? Yeah. They injected him with E. coli and he breathed through it and did not get sick. Yeah. So, correct. Yeah. So, what he did is he did a session of breath work and then cold exposure and then they hooked him up and monitor him, you know, cuz E. coli is not something you should mess with. Yeah. And they injected with him and he had no effects of it. So, when they took his blood, the E. coli coli surrounded the cell but never penetrated. So the claims of what he's claiming um with his breathing techniques, the cold and even

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breathing techniques, the cold and even the hot exposure, saunas and stuff like that will help um boost your immune system, strengthen up your cells to where viruses that enter into the body won't won't be effective. They'll be like asymptomatic, so to speak. And that's what he was because the E. coli was in his blood, but it never penetrated the cell to break down the body. That is so fascinating and so cool. Now again, it's kind of like, you know, and he'll even go on this and maybe an equal would get anybody sick if they get injected. Oh, it could kill you actually. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. Oh, I thought you would just get like diarrhea and like Well, yeah, most people, but kids die from it. Yeah. Like you can die from E. coli. Like it's pretty pretty bad. Yeah. So, it's not like something you run just messing around. like it it gets in like the water in Mexico and stuff like that and people get there's different levels that's could be bacteria but e ecoli is a pretty pretty bad bacteria that can get into your system and if you're this you know people die from it oh wow you know so it's it's no joke that's why when he did that people like are you serious but I'm sure they had some antidote antibbody like they can kill it something to reverse it or what not but what was fascinating was and I heard him talk about this but he talked about a little more in depth so They like, "Okay, you're freaking nature." And he's like, "Well, no, I'm not." So, he took people that never did this work before and trained them in four days. They went into the lab and got E. coli shot into them. See, that is cool. So, that's what it is is cuz yeah, you're always going to get these outliers in life, right? It's it's the truth. You're going to get the outliers

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truth. You're going to get the outliers in life. So, they might do something like Michael Jordan. Say me and Michael Jordan had the same exact workout regimen basketball would play and whatever. say we did for 6 months. I would definitely be a greater basketball player for doing it, but I'm not going to be Michael Jordan. Yeah. I see what I'm never going to get to. Even if I did the same exact thing, ran the same drills as him, I realized um you know his his abilities were already natural in that setting. Obviously, him practicing just amplified his abilities, right? Of course. But with Wim Hoff with this thing, he actually trained these people and they had the same results. They didn't get sick. See, that is so cool. And it was only in four days he did it. See, that is cool. So, yeah. Okay. So, there's 200 of you guys. There's Whim there. Uh you're at a what? A nice resort. Beautiful resort. Yeah. It was called the Copper Hill Lounge Lodge and it was um and it like this is like uh central more northern part of uh Sweden. Okay. And pretty remote. Um beautiful. So, kind of literally like middle of nowhere just as this hotel. Yeah. Like the drive from Trottenheim, which is in Norway to the resort, it was 2 hours. One of the most beautiful country road drives I've ever taken in my life. This is beautiful. And I'm sitting there like I was sitting there with my like I shouldn't be doing this, but I was driving with my video camera. I got that video clip. I I was thought you were going to be on the left side of the road. When I saw you were on the right side, I was like, "What? You're going to be on the other side?" I was cuz I was um That's why I rented a car cuz I'm like I checked. I'm like, "Oh, they drive on the right side of the

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"Oh, they drive on the right side of the road." I'm like, "All right, I'm going to rent the car." And I'm glad I did because it was a beautiful drive. Yeah, that video you sent me was so cool. I could hear your music playing. Yeah, it was beautiful. It was wild. I was like, "This is cool." And all farm houses and going along this uh river. I I forget the name of the river, but it was just beautiful. Yeah. And there was snow and in like no one around for 10 minutes, 20 minutes, 30 minutes. No, a 2 hours drive. I seen like three cars. Holy Yeah. It was weird. Okay. So, really remote? Yeah. Okay. Did that freak you out? No, it wasn't like extremely remote because we were going into like a ski village. Yeah. So, the resort I was staying at was one ski area. There was a couple other ones, but it was literally the last weekend of the skiing. Okay. So, it was pretty quiet. Yeah. I guess imagine in the middle of winter it's probably teeming with people in that particular area. It's just not um for me it's it wasn't that easy to get to because there is no major airport there. So, I had to get into um Norway and then drive over two hours. But, you know, it was worth it, man. It was nice. And then the lodge was just absolutely beautiful. Yeah. You know, it had a nice spa in it. It had like these two big um 15 to 20 people saunas you can go into and Yeah. You needed that big uh gym, nice pool, things like that. Yeah, the gym wasn't big, but the gym was really adequate. Had weights. No one really, there's only a handful of people worked out, so I have a problem every day working out. That was cool. But yeah, it was just really nice. Um, big fireplaces everywhere and I bet um, plenty of seating. I I was hardly

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um, plenty of seating. I I was hardly ever in my room. It was really like it's a ski resort so people just hanging out this so it was just it was really nice. The resort serve you food or did whim provide food? Who? Yeah, the resort service food. They had like it was like breakfast, lunch and dinner and it was kind of like um cafeteria style. So they already preset it wasn't like a menu. They do like obviously if you then kind of buffet style where you could pick different lettuce. So the food was great. Good. Really healthy like all very healthy. But I was stoked the first day. I'm like okay the food's good. You just don't know you know. Yeah. Well I was going to say thank God. You just don't know. That would suck for 4 days especially when you're you know out there burning. Yeah. Like holy Yeah. You don't realize like um because you're you're all hyped up. There's you know 200 plus people and we were in groups like 24 25 people. I was just going to ask like did Whim have helpers? Yes. Because that's a lot of people to manage. Yeah. So it's probably what like um you know a little over 200 of us and I think each group was about 24 people around there. Okay. Um we had two um facilitators instructors with us. Okay. And they were really good. Do you What were your facilitators names? Um Garrison and um Garrison. Uh Kadia. Yeah. Were they both from different countries? Uh yeah. I she I think she's from Germany. That's cool. Yeah. Where was Garrison from? Um man, I should know this. But um yeah, but he was which is one of those like Nordic type

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of areas. Oh yeah, definitely. Yeah, definitely more eastern and northern Europe or whatever. But uh they were great. They were really great. They really handled us well. Um they they you know, it wasn't until we started doing stuff did I realize how good they were at facilitating. Yeah. Because I you Yeah. I started noticing other groups and people whatever, but our group was solid. Yeah. We we went in we we were solid and my experience was really good. How who how what's the youngest age in your group and what's the oldest age? You think? Um Um like do we have anybody that was 21 or like like I don't think anyone was 21. I think maybe in the mid to late 20s. Okay. So you did have 20-year - olds. Um yeah. Oh yeah. up to um in my particular group. Trying to think. I might have been the oldest one in your group. Yeah. I don't know. What about in general for like there was a dude there would look like 70 something. Oh, so we had people in the 70s water. I'm like this guy makes it out of line. Holy Holy But obviously it wasn't his first rodeo, you know. He probably Yeah. So yeah, there was um and it was probably So it had all walks of life. Yeah, it was mostly men, but there was definitely a lot of women. Yeah, that was my next question. How many men versus how many female? 63 65 to 65% men. Yeah, it was% men. Yeah. 30. Yeah. But yeah, they were women and uh you know they were in it doing it just like the men were. Yeah, exactly. There was no Yeah, it was the same. Any couples? Oh, yeah, it was couples. Yeah.

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Yeah. So, um did you get a lot of uh like did Whim make himself very present in each of the groups? Like did you feel like you got a lot of interactions with them? Yeah. Not a lot. just because of 200 people he couldn't. So there was one day the first day we went out to the lake um when all the groups are there at once. Um he actually stood after everyone got in he actually ended up jumping in cuz the whole time we're in there he's sitting there hitting the bongas keeping the rhythm. Oh really? He keeps the rhythm the whole time. That's cool. Yeah the whole time. I figured he would had music playing sitting there with you know shirt on is out there and playing it and he's like you know any music or was it just him? It's just him. That's cool. hitting the drums and once hey like you know kind of some native type like primal type sounds to it and it definitely helps when you're in the water to have that right. Totally. And plus the scenery is just beautiful. Um but after that he jumps in. Um and that was his birthday. That was the first Monday. That was his actual birthday. So how old did he turn? Uh 67. So he's like what's what's the 67 about 67 that joke? That's hilarious. They're like like, "Okay, 67." Yeah. 11 12y old. 67. Everyone say 67. Kayla's kids. Oh my gosh. I swear to God. I hear the 67 thing like, "What does it mean?" I'm like, "Well, it actually means nothing. That's That's Yeah, exactly. Literally nothing." Yeah. So, um, he turned 67 on That's funny. That Monday we're there, which was probably the 20th, I guess, his birthday

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probably the 20th, I guess, his birthday was. So, yeah, we did that and it was kind of cool to be with him, saying happy birthday. So, but he actually stood there on the ice and took individual photos with everyone. Hell yeah. And I'm like, I love that. You know, everyone there wanted a photo with women. Yeah. So, I I you know, I'm like, "Okay, we're going to show that photo, by the way. It's our thumb clip to this." Well, that I didn't take a photo at the lake cuz I'm like this dude. I'm like, "Oh, you didn't?" No, that was inside. Oh, okay. That was the last thing. The one you sent me? Yeah, the one I sent you. Because I'm sitting there like I'm like like this dude needs a break, you know, like we sitting we're going to be here for like three hours, you know, take people taking photos in in the uh cold. I'm like if I get a moment to take a picture in my will, if not, no big deal cuz, you know, whatever. And at the end I was sitting around it was the last day we he did a we did a breath work with him and all of a sudden um a couple guys there with guitars really good musicians and they were playing music. We're all singing and stuff and whims there singing and next thing you know um I walk up stage and talk to him and girl grabs my phone and takes a picture of me and him. So cool. Yeah, that was an awesome photo you guys. We'll put that on up right now so you can see it. And you know, I had a couple of brief conversations with him. First day I got there, I was down in the game room. It was a big fireplace. Was sitting there by myself. And he came down with his family. Day one. Yeah. Day one. He brought his family. Yeah, he brought his family. He But he has So he has really young kids.

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has he has So he has really young kids. How How young? I think like his he had a son that was 8 years old and like two two. Yeah. Oh yeah. His wife is young, too. So with him, you're 70, bro. Jeez Louise. Yeah. Bring more kids in the world. Yeah. Oh god. So, wait, he had two that were under 10. Yeah. He had a really um young one there. I think he was two, three years old. And the other Oh my god. Yeah. Really young. Oh my god. And um so I came down, he's sitting there and he's like, "Hey, how you doing?" He hits me on the shoulder and I just like laughing cuz he was like a kid. He was very Yeah. And then then other day it was like uh me and like three other guys were sitting down talking and then Whim came and started talking to us about Yeah. sat in like a group with you. Yeah. So he was very, you know, he he was exposed as much as he possibly can. There's 200 people. It's like, I get it. He had to probably go off on his own to get a break as he was doing this stuff. But then the facilitators were amazing. Yeah. You know, cuz we he did a breath work. He led a breath work every day. But then there were other facilitators that did breath works and they were different, but just as amazing. Yeah. Like it was a great combination of everything. That's cool. And um and the thing about Whim, he's not a planner. Yeah. like he's all over the place. He'll change his mind in a heartbeat. Oh, you mean they're like he didn't follow a syllabus or a timeline or something? Not at all. And then some people were like, "How long we going to be in the water?" He go, "It's not about how long you're in there. Just get in there and listen to your body." But by prepping us like um on the last day, I was in the water for about just

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day, I was in the water for about just over seven minutes. About seven and a half minutes. That's long. And it didn't feel like it though cuz we had a lot going on. So it was pretty wild. I got out. I I couldn't feel my feet, you know, my hands weren't working that, you know. Were you breathing more or were you in cold water or cold environment more? What What did you do the most of? Or was it pretty even? No. Yeah. Well, cuz obviously you're breathing the whole time you're in the water and stuff like that. Yeah. So, all right. So, like the first day we went to the lake, um it was sunny out. So, the weather was probably just around 40 °. So, it wasn't really cold, too. for us Arizona guys. But it it really wasn't that bad. Like there was slush on the ice, right? Cuz obviously it was above, you know, we're talking about Fahrenheit. Everyone there is talking Celsius. I'm like, dude, I'm from the States, so you have no idea what that is. You got to bear with me. Everyone's like, "Oh, it's one degree." I'm like, "What the One degree? What are you talking about?""Oh, Celsius. It better not." All right. Yeah. A different story, right? Yeah. Like, you got to be kidding me. You know, um funny. So, um, so that day, um, 40 degrees during the day, how cold did it get at night? Yeah, it get it got chilly. It got cold. Yeah. Like, yeah, under 20s. Um, one night like it was really windy at cuz, you know, it got pretty cold. That's freaking cold, man. But it it wasn't it was doable. Like, it wasn't too bad. So we're out on the ice and uh so you imagine there's 200 people and groups of 24

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there's 200 people and groups of 24 around 25 going in at one time. So we would sit there, we pretty much we didn't all get there at the same time, but we hiked in. It's about a mile or so. Okay. We hike in, we take our gear off, we're in our bathing suits, and then we go into this um horse position pose, almost like sumo pose, and do this kind of tai chi move. And you kept doing that until it was your We'll show a clip of William do of whim doing that right now. Yeah. Because that'd be cool to play on the screen. Yeah. And we Yeah. And it's cool because it really works. It's like Yeah. I've seen him do it. I've done it, too. He has a video on it. And it's really good for warming up the body um to keep keep the core warm. So, we do we were doing that as we're waiting to get in the water. So, we were doing that for about 20 minutes. Then we got in the water. First day was 3 minutes, just over 3 minutes. Then we got out and then we did the same thing for another 15 20 minutes. So set the stage with what like did you walk up to a lake or is this something where like you literally had to like carve out uh some hole in the water like Yeah, they had fishing style. Yeah, the water was um the ice was like an inch and a half I'm inch and a half a foot and a half thick. Holy Yeah, it was about that. Yeah. And And so how big did they would they they cut the circle? Yeah. They cut it into like like a kid kidney shaped circle. Yeah. So, when 20 like a pool Yeah. when 25 people got in, it wasn't overly crowded. Okay. So, it was like a pool, but it wasn't deep either. So, like for

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me, the water was like up to like your chest just above your chest. There were deeper ends, but not like to where you had to be worried about so you could stand in it. So, there's no danger of anyone floating away underneath. But, um and they they had it they had a wrap dialed in the these facilitator. Yeah, they were very on quue. So, wasn't that cuz everyone else is all hyped up getting in. These guys were dialed in. Like, did they literally cut the ice in front of you? No. Oh, yeah. They must have done it the day before. Okay. So, it was ready. Yeah, cuz like the last day we got there because it got so cold they had to go back and chop up the ice and started freezing over again. Dude, that's so cold. They had to like break it. Yeah. And the last day there was no sun whatsoever. And it's like you're out there. That's all you can hear. Yeah. Arctic. Like, is there a tree I could stand behind or something? Straight Arctic. Yeah. So, but you're there and you're doing it. So, yeah. So, the first day we're doing that. So, you're 20 minutes in there. Um, you know, standing on the ice. I had flip-flops on to protect my feet and you're doing this move. Then we got into water. We were there for about 3 minutes. Then you get out and you do the um the horse move again. Y, kind of like a Tai Chi move. And then you dry off and you start putting articles of clothing on. Okay. Um and then we just hiked back to the bus. What is the level of experience of people like that you're with in groups? I mean, was everybody pretty advanced like you are where they knew what they were doing all over the place? There was a guy I was talking to him like, "Uh, how oft you know how often you do cold plunging?" He goes, "Oh, it's my first

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plunging?" He goes, "Oh, it's my first time." You're kidding. No. And I'm like, "Your first time? Is that a whim homp in bed?" Yeah. It's like Yeah, it was his first time. never did it for. Dude, that's literally ridiculous. And and he handled it really well. He did a really good job. Went in there. Like what's funny is pretty ballsy ballsy because I've been doing it for a while, but I've never gone into water like cuz um the water was like 3 5 37 °. Yeah, it was pretty cold. It was cold, but you know, I think the coldest ever was like was 39 40 °. Yeah. Fahrenheit. Yeah. So, um, I didn't know what to expect, but I went in and I know my breathing. I just breathe in and out. I I wasn't shivering at all, but it was cool watching people's faces like in horror. Like this one girl, I was like, "Breathe." And I'm like, "You got to breathe." I'm like, "Breathe in your nose and out your mouth." And because I was focused on her and other people, I didn't realize the time just went like that for me. Yeah, I bet. Like I didn't notice it. So the first day we were only in for 3 minutes and um so we were like 20 minutes on both ends of going in in the cold. Mhm. But it wasn't like dramatically cold and plus the cold water. So we were exposed to that. But the breathing the the sessions like an hour and we did like two a day. Yeah. So So one in the morning, one in the evening. Yeah. Like late morning um and the evening like Yeah. at night. So So um how how long were your days each day? Like what did time did you start and

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Like what did time did you start and gather and what time did you break? Yeah, a lot of times we gathered like around 8: 00 to do something with our group without group and then it um the last session was something we did at night like 8: 00 at night. Okay. These were full ass days then. Yeah. That's cool. Yeah. But there was a lot of break time. Okay. In between and stuff like that. So a lot of when you're doing this type of work, there's a lot of recovery. Didn't need it. So you go into saunas and stuff like that. Relax. Were you drinking just for random question, were you drinking water? Oh, constantly. Lots and lots of water. Even though it was like super drink a lot of water. Yeah. I figured like it would be taking a lot out of you. I took a cold shower every day when I was there except for the last day. You even took one in the before you did all this? I took cold shower every morning. That's awesome. Yeah. Cuz I'm like, "Okay, I don't want to break. I don't want to get hot. I don't want to lose my momentum there." But again, the water was so damn cold, I got brain freeze. Oh, really? Yeah. So it's like, you know, and my my stupid self can't allow myself to throttle the water a little bit. Yeah. Right. So I just, you know, I lost a couple brain cells because I just dealt with it. Yeah. Cuz my ego's too big. That's so funny. Yeah. So I did that. I was in in for the the long haul with this, you know. I worked out not every I worked out I think three three of the mornings. In the morning. Yeah. Just go to the gym and worked out. Were you just so beat every night or like as soon as you got back, you know, knocked out at 8 n? No, I wasn't beat, but I would go right to sleep because um you know, we did the cold exposure stuff, but we were back by 3, four

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stuff, but we were back by 3, four o'clock, but nobody was like drinking after or anything like that, right? Or like a couple of people did some of the some of these Nordic types like like okay. Uh the last day we were there after all the stuff the Thursday where Sunday a lot of people were leaving, people started drinking. Then I figured that I had a beer feel left out to have another one like I am done. Yeah. Like that one beer did me in. Yeah. Especially after working out and all that and you know, four intense days. Yeah. So, and you know, I guess if I was younger, I would might have joined in with a little more drinking, but it's not my thing anymore. I don't really drink. No, totally. So, um but yeah. See, that's But it it was great. And I think the camaraderie between the people was my favorite part. Oh, yeah. You know, tell us about that. Yeah. So, um, yeah, the group I was in, we got really, um, connected really quick. Okay, cool. So, within a day and a half, I felt like I've known these people for my whole life. Is this because of like the team leaders? It had a lot to do with that. Yeah. Cuz they, you know, we sat down after every session, at least once a day, we sat down and had a a group where we discussed our um experience. Yeah. And people were really like you realize like like what people go through in life and what their fears are and worries like there was a woman there and she's a doctor and she's like she didn't feel worthy at all and it's like wow like holy you think you got problems right and some of these people

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problems right and some of these people like this one kid like big football guy really nice kid he's from the states too and and uh he he broke down he was weeping like you talk because he had major anxiety to the point where he couldn't leave his house or he was you know just really stuck in his head and and the brea like the breathing opened him up like he was like everyone was doing this too and me included when you're breathing I had an eye mask my eye mask was sping wet tears were just coming out of me really just running down my face cuz and it's cathartic it's not like you you're getting rid of something and the the tears are uh breakdown of what we call the toxic hormones. Yeah. So, and you really get emotional in the breathing. The breathing is really I've actually heard that. I remember I did Kayla and I we went and did deep deep Wimhof style breathing and they told us like, "Hey, this is normal to like start crying uh screaming, yelling, stuff." Yeah. I didn't hear anyone screaming um at this particular one. Okay. But um people were crying. You hear them whimpering, you know. But we got into the group and we're discussing it. It was amazing how people were going down the rabbit holes with with talking, you know. Yeah. Cuz for me, I was kind of like I'm always reserved. Yeah. Around people, you know, uh I don't really talk about much. I've done that throughout my life, talked about stuff, so like whatever. Yeah. But um it wasn't until the third day, I

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But um it wasn't until the third day, I think the third where I opened up about, you know, uh the death of my son. Yeah. where I was like I like at first I'm like I don't want to bring these people down by talking about this so I'm like I don't need to talk about it like totally whatever but um and by that point I think only two people in the group knew and and the only reason they knew is um they asked me if I had a kid you know I was like all right you have to think I'm like yeah you know and you do yeah you did so but I talked about it um and people thanked me for that I bet I was just going to I bet you impacted people on a level you couldn't even imagine by sharing that. Yeah, cuz when I uh signed up for this, it was in like late November, early December. And um I was even trying to get my son to go with me, but he's like, "Dad, I'm going to Japan in May, so I don't know if I could swing it." I'm like, "All right." Oh, yeah. But let me know if your friends don't go. I'll you know, I'll I'll pay you way. You can go. He's like I showed him a video and he's like, "I don't He's like, "Fuck that. I don't want to do." He's like, "You're crazy. freaking lunatic, you know? He's like, "Hell no." So then obviously when he passed away, um um there were times moments where I'm like, "I don't know if I want to go." Yeah. You know, it they were like distant thoughts. I I knew I was going to go. But and then when I got there, I was telling these people, I'm like, I'm glad I came. You know, it was very cathartic. Is that you don't realize

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cathartic. Is that you don't realize what you're holding on to. Like you think you got a hold of things and you you don't. We don't. and um going through the the deep breathing um going to call. You're doing this with these people and you you start to open up and you start to realize you're holding on to unnecessarily and that's what it is. We were letting go of stuff right there. So beyond the health of your your hormones, your um your your immune system getting better, fighting off disease, that's all great. But the letting go of your traumas to me is far greater than anything else. Yeah. To me it was very therapeutic more than anything I've ever done. Yeah. You know, and I've been to a I've been to meditation retreats and stuff like that and they were really good, but I've never gotten this close to people this quick in my life. See, that's amazing. And I don't I I can't really put my finger on it. Why? Yeah. You know, maybe because like because you've done a lot of just meditation, we were just breathing. We were going into like we went up two we walked two two hours plus up this mountain in snow and we're in bathing suits man and which is wild and all a sudden we get the top it's like all right we're going up there and all a sudden you see this cloud and windy and the weather dropped down to close to 27 ° Fahrenheit and I had a hat on shorts and shoes holy you know and like it we're doing this you know and So you go up there and everyone's encouraging each other. We get up there and we get to the top, we

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get up there and we get to the top, we stop, we start doing ha and you really get into it and then we walk back down like I could have walked all the way back down the way I was. But then we went into this um cantina like and we had hot tea and you're in there and you realize, oh my god, I could feel cold blood moving through my body through your freaking my tricep is throwing out right now. Like I didn't realize how cold that was. Right. That is crazy. Yeah. You get caught up and you don't realize how cold you are. Well, the adrenaline too has to play a role. And then all of a sudden I realized as I warmed up I'm like there is no way in hell I could go down this mountain right now with my bathing suit. So we all dressed up and and Oh, there was a cantina like type of thing on top. Yeah. At the top of the mountain. Oh wow. That's cool. They served us like hot tea and and other stuff and we I had brought a snack and ate there and we're all just huddled in this thing talking. It was pretty cool. That is cool. Yeah. And um yeah, because it's a ski lift, so it's probably like a midway part of a ski, so you stop and have some hot cocoa or it's kind of like a shack or whatever. But it was, you know, we all fit. There was at this we It was only hundred of us at this point. They split the two groups up. That was smart. So one day the groups went to the waterfall and the other day they went hiking the mountain. That's cool. So the day we went it was sunny out and down below. The second day it was um cloudy and windy for so the people had to up like I felt bad for those people but it's why they came here right but we had to go into the near the waterfall and that was no picnic yeah it's moving

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that was no picnic yeah it's moving water so when you're in the moving water you can't create a a heat barrier it's just constantly flowing but that was pretty wild uh did you see whim at was he present and everything like how did he know which hundred group to go with or he just trade No, he wasn't present. The only time he was present was the breath work or the lake. Okay. And that was twice. Okay. So, we did the lake twice. We did the river once which need a wolf and then we actually did the the hike up. That was the other cold exposure we did. And he was on the hike. No. Or no, because Yeah, you're saying his facilitator. He was just at the lake. Okay. Or in in the uh room doing the breath work. Did you see his wife? I saw her. Yeah. Didn't he have a wife that died? She killed herself. That's it. Yeah, cuz there's some story about that I vaguely remember. I don't know how many times I don't know his his history or whatever, but yeah, how many wives or Yeah, I have no idea. But I know like he he was they were young. Um I if I'm not mistaken, they had five kids all under the age of eight or nine when she killed herself. Y Y and I think that was a catalyst for him to start down this journey. That is if I recall correctly, that was his first time like jumping into cold water. He jumped into co like well he he living living in that like living where he lived you know in Amsterdam the people that's where the Vikings from like so cold exposure is something to there like when I was in Finland so I get off the airplane and I had to go through the passport check and this young kid there is check my passport and he's like so are you here for pleasure

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he's like so are you here for pleasure I'm like yeah he's like what are you doing here I'm like you ever hear of Wimhof and I just assumed he And the guy's like, "No." I was like, "Well, we're doing cold exposure." Like, "Well, you're in the right place." You know, that's what he said. Yeah. Like, "Yeah, we do. I should have read that, you know." Yeah. So, um um Yeah. So was Whim Whim's w uh wife had to be super young, right? Yeah. Because I mean, he has an 8-year - old or a three-year - old like young. So, I wouldn't try to guess how old she was, but maybe in the 30s. Oh, wow. She was really young. That's crazy. And so, do you think So, does he have like nine kids then? Um if he had five with his previous wife. I think he has like seven kids. He has to have a shitload of kids. Okay. That's cool. I'm just trying to like figure it out and see it. Yeah. So, yeah, that's cool. Yeah. And he really um he he's a fun guy to be around, but I can imagine the people that I forgot the guy's name, but he was a French guy and he was kind of the head of all the facilitators. You could tell he was trying to keep whim on track. Oh, really? And it was probably like it was almost like Get him to the Greek. Remember that movie where Jonah Hill and what's his name? Russell Brand. So like Russell Brand character is like how Wimhof is. He's all over the place. Like Well, I was going to ask you, you made the comment like he's all over the place. Were there moments that you could tell like that he Yeah. Somebody asked him a question and he go totally totally complete left field. Worse than I've ever done in my life and I could go off

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ever done in my life and I could go off in left field. Um, so but it's it it was a breath of fresh air though. That's cool. It really was. So I I got a kick out of him. He was, you know, he's funny. So So did he do a lot of like speaking? Like is there anything that like Whims shared with the group that he was like passionate about or anything like Yeah, he's really passionate on changing the way we deal with our health. Like he wants everyone to know about breath work and cold exposure. Okay. Specifically those two. This is it. He claims this is his main reason to do it from here on into the rest of his life. Oh, okay. Yeah, that's his goal. Yep. That's his goal and to spread it out. So, and he's like Yeah. He's like, you know, he he's like, you could become a Wimhof facilitator or even just take what you know and share it with somebody. Yeah. You know, share it share this information. It'll change their lives. And it's true. It does. To what degree in which we do it, that's still for an individual person to experience, right? Because I've known over the years of doing everything from meditation to breath work to multitudes of modalities, everyone proclaims this and that. And even Whim was saying this too. It's like you have to make this your own. Um make it your lifestyle. Don't try to The goal isn't to be in the water for 10 minutes. The goal is to become one with the water. Become comfortable as as you possibly can. Doesn't matter how long you're in the water. That's pretty profound. Yeah. So, he wasn't pushing the ego part how long. It's like he's like he broke world

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It's like he's like he broke world records where they were timing, but he's like it's not about that. It's about the union between your body and your mind and what you can go through. Yeah. And it's true like like I I like I don't really hike that much and I hiked up this mountain. It was pretty good, you know, slope in the snow and wearing shorts in my bathing suit. Yeah. And it was a breeze because we were prepared. Y, you know, he prepared us there. So, and it wasn't months of preparation. No, we're talking a day or hours of this and that. We literally did a breath work in the morning and then next thing you know, we're getting on a bus and we drove got off the bus. We hiked in about a mile, got into the lake, and everyone's like, "Are we ready for this?" I'm like, "Oh my diving straight in like holy shit." Yeah. We get into some water. I'm like, "Oo, this is cold, man." You know, but then, you know, my instincts kicked in cuz I've been doing cold plunges for a while and it was no no big deal. It was no big deal for me. Um, so how did you guys eat lunch if you're like doing that stuff? Would you come back and take a break and then come back? They had it systematically set up that way. So, yeah. So, we wake up in the morning, breakfast is usually like 7: 00 in the morning to whatever. Yeah. And um and then lunch was like from 1: 00. It changed every day depending on where we were. um came and ate and then there was some other activity we we do in the afternoon. Um we go do that and then we had dinner and then we came back

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um um I think 8: 00 at night and we did like a they talked about science. Yeah, they they talked about the science of it and then we went Oh, nice. So they did talk like have like discussions on the breathing every day they brought up different stuff. So getting into science and even the new studies that whim has done with um other doctors recently. So I've always heard that deep like every morning I do the deep Wimoff style method breathing in through the mouth out through the mouth in through the mouth you know deep belly chest out right I've heard that that's not the best for you. I've heard you're supposed to breathe in through your nose. Did Whim address that at all or talk about that at all? He he did. Yeah, because we we are supposed to be breathing in and out of our nose in sitting. That's the proper way to breathe. Yeah. In sitting. So, if you're working out, breathing in your nose, out your mouth. Okay. But when we're doing the the Wimhof breathing where you're laying down, and I've been to other facilitators that do breath work, too, that aren't affiliated to Wimhof, they also do the mouth breathing as well. Yep. Um because you get more oxygen in. Now, from what I understand, um you're not supposed to do that that often. Okay. at that long range of time because you know you're breathing in when you're breathing in through your mouth there's no filtration for your system. So whatever's going right into your lungs so your lungs aren't protected. But when you breathe in your nose there's canals you you're also you're releasing or producing nox oxide through the nose which is a blood vessel dilator which when that dilates you get more oxygen

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when that dilates you get more oxygen and stuff to your cells and your body it's healthier for you. Okay. So like that. So doing the in and out the mouth. So I was doing a lot of in and out the mouth in the beginning and then I start to feel my throat getting sore so I went directly to my nose. Yeah. You can feel it getting dry and cold and itchy and all that Yeah. So I then I stopped doing that every time. I just and or maybe start out with the uh but when you do breathe in and out the mouth when you do the out hole breaths because we were going up for about a minute and a half to two minutes minutes um it was a lot easier. If you're just breathing in your nose you can't get that much oxygen set. though, but it I think it's you have to play with it, but I think the studies show that definitely the nose. Okay. Um but is the healthiest way too. Yeah. But adding your mouth in, play with that. Yeah. You know, again, he he emphasizes a lot, do not do this while you're in the water. Yeah. Just Just Well, it's the same reason I don't do it while I'm driving. I I I'm not kidding. I love deep breathing. I do it every morning and I get that really like body tingly sensation. But when I'm driving, I will never deep breathe because I there when I was driving and I'm trying I was like, "All right, you know, I'm going to loosen up before whatever work event I was going to." And I remember I got real light, it freaked me out at a moment and I was like, "Dude, you're going to get hurt." So I only in through the I do like ocean breathing whenever I'm in my car. Yeah. Slow breathing. cuz when you do conscious breathing in and out your nose, whatever, it it sets up the

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autonomic system to do it more efficiently when you're unconsciously doing it. And I I've noticed that myself cuz um you know, when I breathe more in my nose consciously over time, when I'm in the unconscious state, I'm breathing more in my nose. Yeah. And that definitely helps out. So there's a lot of studies way beyond just Wimhof talking about this. Totally. Yeah. So, you know, Wimhof is probably the biggest name in this, but he's not the founder of anything. Did he talk about how like western society uh like medicine and uh like just our our health care system is a joke in America? And did he talk about that or did he not did he talk about it worldwide? He was passionately about that. Oh, really? Yeah. Good. Yeah, just worldwide. But like Oh, is it really as worldwide? When you talk to other people in other countries, they have the same gripes as we do. It's really the news isolates us. Okay. Yeah. It's the same gripes. So they have the same type of going on where we're being fed this, you know, we got a pill for that and a pill for this. Now in Europe, they're definitely their food output is a lot healthier than ours naturally because it's less process. Yeah. Cuz laws against it. So but as far as like medication, you need it. They they still get rely on pharmacology. Yeah. So yeah, the so supposedly and I say supposedly because this is something that um he did the study on they did studies put studies out there whatever but until I experience it I really can't fully express it nor should anybody

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fully express it nor should anybody but suppose when we do this we up our immune system our hormone levels go higher I know ever since I've been doing this work for about eight years more intimately early on but lately over the last four so years I've been doing it regularly. Mhm. I definitely notice a difference. But you're talking about in your energy level, the how often you get sick. Yeah. Mental clarity. Uh physical going to the gym, lifting weights. I'm just as strong as I was. Y Y now again, I'm a fortunate person. I've never really been ill. I've never had any major injury. So it's very difficult to know if I wasn't doing this, would I be at the same level? Yeah, I see what you're saying. It's very difficult for me to tell that where there were people that start out in the deficit. They started and now they're right. I didn't really ever start out in the deficit. Yeah. So I can't really speak for that. But when I do breathe after a session, I feel amazing. Um, you know, I could feel like if I feel tired or whatever, I put a little more time into my breathing, it goes away. Cold water, I'm a completely different person when I come out every time. Yep. So, to what degree it changes? Um, the breath technique I like that he um he doesn't really emphasize or see a lot on his YouTube videos, but he talked about here is was the recovery breath. When you breathe in, you squeeze Yeah. your paranneeium.

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Kind of like Dr. Joe Despenszas. Yeah. I love that. And to me that it it's it's amazing. Y it really So you're saying he does not emphasize it a lot on his YouTube and online, but he did in person. Oh yeah, we did every every round we did after we did the out hole breath for like anywhere from a minute and a half to two minutes. The recovery breath he had us breathe in and squeeze. Did he ever like go into the pineal gland and talk about the pineal gland? So he do deep dove. Yeah. And he talked about like he I don't know if he tried to keep it surface level. No. So he did a deep dive. Yeah. I think right now all that stuff is surface level for the people are there. Like it's it's because it it was a deep dive but it wasn't like you know everyone knows the science behind it like if you don't you just found out but it's not very difficult to follow at all. So he talked about like all the glandulars. Um so he talked about the cannibids cuz we have the cannibido. So we can activate those cuz so many people asked him was like what do you think about you know smoking marijuana and he goes I'm from Amsterdam man. Yeah. So um yeah so he he talked about the parts of the brain that wake up um and activate like even when you're doing outhold breath parts of your brain that says hey you haven't breathed in a while breathing you start to push that and when you push that it actually creates new neuropathways in your brain all the science that we've all heard about. Um, I've never had my brain measured, but I could definitely tell um my responses to

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could definitely tell um my responses to the outside world are way different than they were years ago. So, there is definitely something here. Um, I don't ever believe in taking anyone's word for something. And he even talked about that. So, don't take my word for it. This is yours to experience with, right? Yeah. So, um, he was upfront with that, which was good. You know, I think um, maybe in the past he wasn't. I heard some stuff people drowned and stuff like that and Yeah. Um cuz they were doing the Wimhof breathing in a pool or something like that. I see. Um Um hence why he probably emphasize that so much. Yeah. So you got to take personal responsibility like like if cuz when you do that type of breathing it makes you dizzy. Like you shouldn't do it anywhere near you should do it while you're laying on the ground. Yeah. Truly that should be your where you're at. Yeah. And even doing that, you might want to do it with people. But um so that type of stuff, but um to me that's common sense. Mhm. But what I deem to be common sense tonight might be common sense to other people. So I don't want to label that. Did you have any type of like profound moments throughout the four? I did like the the breath work was really good because he really pushed us. He was doing like starting out like 30 breaths I think in the first round and after a while like I I wasn't counting. I was just listening. Breathe in, breathe out. And someone told us at the end we did five rounds and he incrementally went up each round and by the fifth round we were doing 70 breaths taking in and out.

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were doing 70 breaths taking in and out. Holy And I'm like keeping up like oh my god. And then was like, I've never wanted an out hole breath. Yeah. So bad in my life, please. Yeah. Just get to the al hole like and hold it. And then you just felt the tingling tingling and then you come in, squeeze, and and I remember on the last we did five rounds. All of a sudden when when we just let go and we're done with all the rounds, all of a sudden tears were just pouring out of my eyes. My body was jerking a little bit. Yeah. I I was It was uncontrollable. I couldn't stop crying. Holy Holy And but it was cathartic. It felt good. Like it was like I was letting go of some dark deep stuff that was in me and like it was sorrow I was letting go of and afterwards it felt great. Everyone in the room was hugging each other. Goding Goding this the first night like we just met these people coming up to and hugging. You know it was weird. And you know I I didn't come No, you're just from New York. Yeah. Well, I we don't even look at each other when we're walking down the street. Yeah. Like my parents are very loving parents, but they never hugged me. Yeah. I like my dad was one of 12. My mom like it wasn't the affection was more in the joking ability. We're very close that way, but also people, you know, I've I've gotten used to hugging people, but yeah. Um that is totally a New York. I don't mean just like a bro hug. I mean squeezing. Yeah. So, it was really interesting the connection everyone had on this trip. And I think it had to do with the

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trip. And I think it had to do with the facilitators and Wimhof. He's very playful. Come on, man. You know, and you know, it was just it was a great experience. It really was. That is so freaking cool. What do you think? What would you say is like your favorite part of it? I think sitting around talking about um listening to people's life, what they're going through, why they were here. Everyone came for different reasons. Yeah. But somebody was there for something. Yeah. Oh, everyone was there for something. I'm I'm I was going there. my like, "Okay, let me see how well I've trained." Yeah. That's not why I came there. Yeah. It was to let go of some that I was holding on to. Totally. You know, and that's usually what it is 90% of the time across the board. Yeah. You don't know. You don't like You don't know. I'm like, "Okay." I'm like, "Will I be able to stay in the water for 10 minutes?" Cuz I thought that was going to be it. I thought we were going to jump off some cliff or something to water because I've seen him do that. We didn't end up doing that, but but yeah. Um, yeah, it was the part of opening up and um, it they made it easy to open up. Yeah. And I'm a pretty hard shell, you know. Yep. So, yeah, it was wild. Would you do it again? I would. Yeah. See, that's what's cool. Yeah, I would. Watching you, talking to you about it and stuff. It's something I would definitely try. Yeah, it's um, you know, it's you know, and that's a cool thing is like um there there's like Wimhof facilitators all over the place, but there's other breath work stuff. Yep. you can go um I suggest people go

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Yep. you can go um I suggest people go to some of these groups like they're they're everywhere now. Doesn't matter where you live, you can find something and it's about community. It's really what it is. You get together. Yeah, you're doing the breathing, but it's about because I could do the breathing by myself on the couch. I do it every day in the morning and it's great. But it's about community. The more we commune with each other, the more we connect with each other, we get into this field, it takes over. and you know all of a sudden you feel in invincible around a group of people like this and you feel good. I think that's why for a lot of people when they leave um it's very difficult. Mhm. Because like I would see some of these young guys really became close. Y Y and it was coming on to the last day they were leaving like they were leaving that morning. Yeah. Like six o'clock in the morning and one guy just disappeared. Yeah. And I think he was sad that he was going to have to leave. And we we were together for four days. Yeah. Exactly. I think we were together for four years, right? Y So there was this deep connection that, you know, I don't know if everyone got it, but my group got it. Yeah. And we all hung out. We, you know, then we went down to the the hall at 8: 00 at night and they were playing music and dancing. Y and then we got people up in a bar drinking like, "Come on, everyone go downstairs." Yeah. So went down there and they're all bouncing around dancing to different music and stuff. It was pretty pretty wild. That's cool. But it was this deep connection that you got quickly with people and um yeah that's um so it

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with people and um yeah that's um so it is about community. Mhm. The breath and the cold water are um a focal point but it's it's really about community. Yeah. It really is like cuz all this stuff is great but it's the connection between each individual human being that really makes this journey on this earth worthwhile. There's something about the way you know getting together like that the chanting the the group the camaraderie like everything you're talking about that that really solidifies that feeling. Yeah. When you go through Yeah. And you go through struggles with people. That's why you hear a lot of these stories with soldiers that are in combat together and they have this special connection cuz they've been to hell. Yeah. I'm not comparing what I did to combat at all. But it was strenuous and when you go through strenuous stuff with people, you get connected with them. Absolutely. You know, because I I've been to meditation stuff like that. Meditation isn't strenuous. It's peaceful. Like it's nice. Um, but this was, you know, we were it was hard. You're in shorts climbing in 27 degree weather going up ice. And I'm telling this people like you you paid to do that. There were people that legitimately could not understand why I was doing this. You paid like, okay, back up. Explain to me why are you doing this? I'm like, well, the science says like, well, hold on a second. Like seriously? I'm like, yeah. I'm like, you spent like a lot of money on this. Yeah.

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Like a full vacation trip. Yeah. Worth every penny, baby. Yeah. I could have traveled to New York. I know. Worth every penny, though. Yeah. Oh, Worth every penny. Money doesn't mean anything. That's it, you know. Yeah. And the moments and those experiences that you had with those individuals. It's a lifelong connection moment. It's it seeped in me now. Exactly. Yeah. You know, but I think that's what it is. It's like, so if you're out there listening, you haven't done any of this stuff, find a community and get together with them cuz they'll they'll help encourage you. Um, take your ego out of it. Doesn't matter if you go in the water for 15 seconds, who cares? Yeah. Doesn't matter. But it's about getting in connecting with people and putting yourself in like willingly stressful environments with with people, you become really close with them. And that's what it's about. The closer we become with communities, the less wars are going to ever break out. Yeah. You know, because there security. Fear is a sense of no security. We don't trust the universe. But when you were in the upper echelons of your your system, you fully trust the universe is taking care of you because it's a perspective you see. Yeah. So the narrative, the false narrative is when you're in the lowest chakras and stuck there. The world seems like it's attacking you. And what happens? The world isn't attacking you, but you make poor decisions. You like you got you ran into the street and that's why the bus ran you over. But what the are you doing in the street? Yeah.

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You know, it's like you ran from something and into something. Yeah. But it was because you was disoriented. When you get to the higher levels of energy, you're not disoriented. You're more intuitive. Whim talked about that too, like tapping into the intuition. We have like this 3se secondond delay and he was talking about this wall he's always climbed and he's always done this route and one day he's doing this route and something made him go over to the right and he went over to the right and a boulder just came down right where he was. Holy Like he didn't sense danger was happening. He just was drawn to pull over. So, the more we do this work close-knit with other people, the more intuitive we become. And you'll step like, in other words, if someone's pointing a gun at you and you had 3 seconds move out of the way, you can't simply move out of the way of a bullet in 3 seconds because one, two, three, bang. Well, you're already halfway across the room. Y Y So, we have that capacity. We just don't listen to it. Joe McMonicle talks about that. He does. So I trained with Joe with the Yeah, we have that like 3 second delay, but no one knows the delay. So it's when you follow your intuition, you move into these directions. You you move into that right sequence or that dance or whatever it is. It doesn't mean you're always moving away from tragedy, but you're moving away into glory. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So if I make a right hand rather than left, I'm always make a left. I went right. I don't know

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make a left. I went right. I don't know if I would have died in a car accident, but because I made the right, I ran into somebody somebody that was in conjunction with what I wanted to do. So, it's more of that like they people always emphasize this could have happened for the drama part of it, but I'm more like, well, we listen to your intuition. It's the universe moving you effortlessly effortlessly because you could go left and you'll still get to where you got to go. It's just a lot more effort. So when you start to work do this work, I've noticed my intuition gets better to what degree. I don't know. You know, my wife still corrects me every other day. So I got to hook into that, you know, but um but yeah, I noticed that. But it's like community with you and doing this podcast. Um there's just something profound about being around people. Yeah. Absolutely. And you're all gonna do this thing like get into a cold plunge or do breathing that's uncomfortable. You come out as a family. Yeah. There's no way around it. It happens. You know, if you can get people from all all over the world, different countries doing this together, they wouldn't be fighting. That's that's a fact. You know, I love that. And so the more we start to do this, you know, you're going to start to see these diminishing the ability to want to fight because we do that out of we're scared.

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because we do that out of we're scared. So we're scared we're going to do without. So I need to go take it from that person before they take it from me. Yeah. So I understand that. But this this completely eliminates you. Gets you out of fear. Yeah. And it it was there was no fear when I was doing this stuff at all. That's so cool. I was like, "What the am I doing?" You know, like, "Oh, we're doing this together." I'm like, "Yeah, I'm ready for it." Yeah. It's like every watch people do it. I'm like, "All right." I went and I do it. Yeah. That's freaking awesome. We uh got some cool videos that that we'll put up here at the end, you know, that Frank happens to be in the background of. We uh we got the photo of you and Whim, which is our thumbnail for this one. That's a good shot of you guys. And uh we'll throw some links in like the description for anybody who's interested in learning more about Wimhof, his method. We'll put the the breathing, the little clip to his YouTube, his pop. What's that have now? Remember when we started like I think like four or five years ago had like like I don't know 48 million and then we looked and it was at like 71 million or 79 million. It was close to 100 million. Yeah. See what I mean? We've watched that video grow by millions over the years, you know, cuz we'll randomly put that on, you know, before we jump on into our podcast. Yeah, he definitely has a big influence. Um, but again, like when you do this stuff, it's great like a starting point with whim or whatever, but it it's about making it yourself. Create a community around it because that's really the big thing. Yeah. And when you have a community around it,

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And when you have a community around it, you know, people that are lagging, they they amplify up. We're here to support each other. We're here to to help each other other or support each other. We really don't need to help each other, but we're here to encourage each other. We got this. Yeah. And we do whatever like, you know, there was a um Luna, she was from um England. She had a really like heavy British accent, like you know, and I love talking with her. Yeah. Well, there was one day where she didn't go to the river, I believe, cuz she was just burnt out or whatever. Yeah. But we went to the lake. She was in the water the longest. Hell yeah, Luna. Yeah. She was in there the longest. And you know, that's cool. And everyone's like, "Holy shit." Like she was in there for a while. Yep. You know, she got she was the first one in I think like the last one to get out. That's cool. So she was like rounding like eight, nine minutes. That's nuts. Yeah. In 28 ° 30 ° because the encouragement of people and you know and she did it, you know, I was like, "Wow." So, it's pretty impressive seeing people like that were like, I can't do this to like I got this and they go in and like and she had no idea how long she was in the water till we till later on. Uh, Kadia, you know, it's like you were in there for over eight minutes. Like, holy See, that that is cool. Yeah. I'm so glad you I thought it was like five minutes to tell you to that, you know, I just didn't know. But you assumed it was shorter than it was. Yeah, because we were occupied in the

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water and you know whims playing the drum boom you know and singing screaming or whatever. Yeah, whatever. So, yeah. You know, cuz when I go on my coins, man, time goes slow. I'm by myself. Karen's like, "Dude, what do you want for breakfast?" I'm I'm in the water breathing. Stop. Can't have this conversation right now. You know, literally. Yeah. So, um but yeah, it was wild. But yeah, I encourage people to find a community that does stuff like this and um even if it's do it once a month. Yeah. Whatever. Just Just they're out there. If not, start one. Um and watch your life change. Yep. Because it really it's about community. The whole thing, you know, the ice, the breathing, that's great. But it's about the community. I love that. Yeah. Thanks for taking the time to share all this. I know that like th this was fun. And I told Frank, I was like, "Dude, when you get back, our next episode is I'm interviewing you about Wimhof. I want to hear about this experience." I was excited to learn on this, learn about all this. So, I'm sure those listening are like, "Hell yeah." Like, it's cool getting this like insight when you were, you know, literally uh shoulderto-shoulder with one of the greats. Yeah. So, yeah, it was very fun. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, thank you, Frank, co-host of Perspective Shift, sharing your experience with us at the Wimhof event. We'll throw some clips up, guys, so you can see some cool stuff. There's a great photo of Frank and Whim. That was super fun. That when you sent me that, dude, I was like, "Yes, this is

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that, dude, I was like, "Yes, this is the best photo. You're literally you're throwing the hang loose next to Wimhof. He's got his arm on you." Like, I was like, "This is perfect." Yeah, it it was really cool. So, thank thanks for willing to talk to me about this. Yeah, dude. Love it. Yeah. All right, guys. We'll be back uh next week. We got uh every second Wednesday our uh uh energy center uh healing activations with Mr. Christopher Blackwell out of Australia. So, we'll be back. Uh next week is our uh the second Wednesday of the month. We're doing the third eye, the pineal. Yes. Hell yeah. So, we only got three left, right? Two. Oh, so after the pineals are crown and then that's it, huh? Yeah. So, we we did the throat chakra last time. Yep. You're right. So, yeah. So, we got two more. Yep. So, um we'll find out what we do after that. So, we'll keep we'll find a good way for but yeah. So, um yeah, thanks so much for listening and tuning in this week, guys. We'll see you in a week. All right. Much love and peace out.