Infrared Sauna Benefits for Health & Aging | Dr. Jenna Green | The Pazio Institute Interview Series | Vitruvian

Video·The Pazio Institute·9 min read·January 28, 2025

Infrared sauna can be more than heat. Dr. Jenna Greenfield explains how far infrared technology, safer materials, and thoughtful protocols shape its role in recovery, detoxification, and longevity.

What Makes Infrared Sauna Different

Heat is not one experience. The way heat reaches the body shapes how the body responds, and that distinction sits at the center of infrared sauna. Traditional sauna begins with the room. It heats the air first, then the hot air moves across the skin and gradually warms the body.

Infrared sauna works differently. It uses radiant heat, the same form of warmth you feel from the sun on a cold day. The air around you can remain cooler while the body still receives direct heat. That is why air temperature alone does not define the intensity of an infrared session.

This matters because many people judge sauna by the number on the thermostat. In a traditional sauna, that number carries more weight because heated air is the main delivery system. In an infrared sauna, the question becomes more precise: how much heat transfers into you, not how hot the room feels around you.

Radiant heat also explains why two environments at the same air temperature can feel entirely different. Stand in direct sunlight, then step into shade. The air has not changed, but the sensation changes immediately because radiant energy has changed. Infrared sauna applies that principle inside a deliberate recovery protocol.

Far infrared is the foundation most often discussed in the sauna research Dr. Greenfield references. She describes decades of far infrared sauna use and a large body of human studies examining safety and benefit. That history gives far infrared a clearer role in recovery, heat adaptation, and longevity-focused sauna practice.

The distinction between sensation and core temperature is essential. A hotter-feeling room does not always mean a better physiological response, and a lower air temperature does not mean the body is underheated. The body responds to absorbed heat. A refined sauna practice starts there.

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[Music] welcome everyone to another episode of welcome everyone to another episode of The pazo Institute interview Series The pazo Institute interview Series today we have Dr Jenna Greenfield here today we have Dr Jenna Greenfield here with us she's a pediatrician with a rich with us she's a pediatrician with a rich and diverse medical background after and diverse medical background after earning her MD from Jefferson medical earning her MD from Jefferson medical school and completing her pediatric school and completing her pediatric residency at UCSD in 2008 she spent residency at UCSD in 2008 she spent nearly a decade working in pediatric nearly a decade working in pediatric emergency rooms across Denver her career emergency rooms across Denver her career path to a significant turn in 2017 as path to a significant turn in 2017 as she re-evaluated her approach to she re-evaluated her approach to Medicine passionate about holistic Medicine passionate about holistic health she found her calling at Hightech health she found her calling at Hightech Health in 2019 where she became an Health in 2019 where she became an advocate for the science and benefits of advocate for the science and benefits of infrared saunas Dr Greenfield's infrared saunas Dr Greenfield's dedication to integrative Wellness dedication to integrative Wellness continues to inspire her work and continues to inspire her work and Mission we are grateful to have you here Mission we are grateful to have you here uh this is a really important topic and uh this is a really important topic and um it's something I have every patient um it's something I have every patient try to purchase and to get into their uh

try to purchase and to get into their uh into their into their life absolutely yeah thank you for that life absolutely yeah thank you for that introduction that's wonderful happy to introduction that's wonderful happy to be here great um so so much to go over be here great um so so much to go over um why don't you just give us a just um why don't you just give us a just kind of a quick overview of infrared kind of a quick overview of infrared Sona technology and then we can kind of Sona technology and then we can kind of just dive into the into the deep details just dive into the into the deep details sure so um I'll start with kind of the sure so um I'll start with kind of the way um you know comparing it to the way um you know comparing it to the traditional Sonics it's a newer um you traditional Sonics it's a newer um you know the traditional sauna is ancient um know the traditional sauna is ancient um is that kind of yeah so um traditional is that kind of yeah so um traditional sauna you know Heats You by by heating sauna you know Heats You by by heating the air um it heats up the air the air the air um it heats up the air the air moves over to you it Heats your body um moves over to you it Heats your body um in infrared sauna it actually emits um in infrared sauna it actually emits um infrared which is a form of radiant heat infrared which is a form of radiant heat um it's the same thing that you feel in um it's the same thing that you feel in the sun when the air is cold but you the sun when the air is cold but you feel the warmth from the Sun and that feel the warmth from the Sun and that heats you directly um without heating heats you directly um without heating the air as much so and that's kind of the air as much so and that's kind of what what prompted this is that the the

what what prompted this is that the the air temperature is not in the same way a air temperature is not in the same way a measure of how much heat you're getting measure of how much heat you're getting but yeah um you know there's different but yeah um you know there's different as far as the technology there's as far as the technology there's different types of heaters our heaters different types of heaters our heaters are pretty unique actually they're a are pretty unique actually they're a high grade metal um and it's a product high grade metal um and it's a product of a certain temperature that emits the of a certain temperature that emits the infrared how deep do you want me to yeah infrared how deep do you want me to yeah you know um you know we can talk a you know um you know we can talk a little bit about this because um I think little bit about this because um I think it's really important um especially it's really important um especially because there's so many infrared saunas because there's so many infrared saunas out there that PE people can purchase out there that PE people can purchase whether it's these sauna blankets or whether it's these sauna blankets or like these really inexpensive infrared like these really inexpensive infrared saunas on Amazon and things like that um saunas on Amazon and things like that um you know speaking about some of the you know speaking about some of the dangers of some of these uh inexpensive dangers of some of these uh inexpensive saunas and um you know we can dive into saunas and um you know we can dive into a little bit of the details of what is a little bit of the details of what is the danger of near infrared sure you the danger of near infrared sure you know versus far infrared and you know um know versus far infrared and you know um off gassing of materials that people off gassing of materials that people really shouldn't be exposed osed to um

really shouldn't be exposed osed to um you know because they're trying to get you know because they're trying to get in the sauna to do detoxification and in the sauna to do detoxification and then they can be actually adding then they can be actually adding toxicity to them I think the last thing toxicity to them I think the last thing would be would be EMF that's a big one that's a big Topic EMF that's a big one that's a big Topic in the sauna world yeah sure um yeah and in the sauna world yeah sure um yeah and there's a there's a huge range in there's a there's a huge range in quality you know from the the lower-end quality you know from the the lower-end saunas up to you know we one of the um saunas up to you know we one of the um the higher end we really don't cut any the higher end we really don't cut any Corners we use the highest quality Corners we use the highest quality materials but um yeah I mean um you know materials but um yeah I mean um you know EMF is a big Topic in the sauna world EMF is a big Topic in the sauna world it's emit by any electrical Appliance um it's emit by any electrical Appliance um Power Line cell phones you know we're Power Line cell phones you know we're we're surrounded by it inevitably to an we're surrounded by it inevitably to an extent every day um it's a big topic extent every day um it's a big topic with saunas because of the way you're with saunas because of the way you're sitting really close to the high power sitting really close to the high power heaters so you're getting um you know heaters so you're getting um you know they can be extremely high um when they can be extremely high um when you're investing in something to improve you're investing in something to improve your health that's kind of the last your health that's kind of the last thing you want is to bring something thing you want is to bring something harmful in um they've even been linked harmful in um they've even been linked to there's some studies linking them to there's some studies linking them cancer but definitely uh neuro uh you

cancer but definitely uh neuro uh you know neuro psych neury sorry um symptoms know neuro psych neury sorry um symptoms trouble concentrating trouble sleeping trouble concentrating trouble sleeping um and um cellular damage you oxidative um and um cellular damage you oxidative damaging your cells um so yeah um it's a damaging your cells um so yeah um it's a big topic we it's kind of one of our big topic we it's kind of one of our Specialties our president is an Specialties our president is an electrical engineer really smart guy electrical engineer really smart guy designed our heaters and he actually designed our heaters and he actually designed and patented the technology designed and patented the technology that virtually completely eliminated that virtually completely eliminated Ates both types the electric and the Ates both types the electric and the magnetic field and you have to be kind magnetic field and you have to be kind of careful because there's a lot of of careful because there's a lot of companies it's an easier technology to companies it's an easier technology to lower the magnetic fields so there's a lower the magnetic fields so there's a lot of companies out there that have lot of companies out there that have managed to do that and they just ignore managed to do that and they just ignore the electric Fields they just won't the electric Fields they just won't mention them um hoping you don't know mention them um hoping you don't know the difference they'll just say this is the difference they'll just say this is the one number that matters um so the one number that matters um so there's two components the there's two components the electromagnetic field the electric and electromagnetic field the electric and the Magnetic we're one of the few that's the Magnetic we're one of the few that's that's low in both that I know of

that's low in both that I know of fantastic um how about off gassing you fantastic um how about off gassing you know I mean everyone thinks that like oh know I mean everyone thinks that like oh you know I love going into this this hot you know I love going into this this hot sauna because you know it's cedar or sauna because you know it's cedar or it's Redwood or something like that I'm it's Redwood or something like that I'm like well do you know why Cedar and like well do you know why Cedar and Redwood lot yeah yeah yeah well first of Redwood lot yeah yeah yeah well first of all I mean with the um off gasing we'll all I mean with the um off gasing we'll talk about plywood too I'll start with talk about plywood too I'll start with that um you know almost every SAA out that um you know almost every SAA out there has plywood in it you know we use there has plywood in it you know we use 100% solid wood we don't use plywood but 100% solid wood we don't use plywood but ply would off gases for Malahide which ply would off gases for Malahide which is a carcinogen especially when it's is a carcinogen especially when it's heated um but yeah the Cedar uh a lot of heated um but yeah the Cedar uh a lot of people you know like the smell of Cedar people you know like the smell of Cedar but the reason that um that they repel but the reason that um that they repel that it repels moss and insects is that it repels moss and insects is because it's to some degree it's toxic because it's to some degree it's toxic not as much to us as it is to the not as much to us as it is to the insects but that's you the reason it's a insects but that's you the reason it's a repellent um so yeah a lot of people can repellent um so yeah a lot of people can develop sensitivities to Cedar um over develop sensitivities to Cedar um over time um you know it's a lung irritant time um you know it's a lung irritant cause headaches um big big symptoms but

cause headaches um big big symptoms but but but yeah basically when you're what you're yeah basically when you're what you're smelling is the off gasing it's TP beans smelling is the off gasing it's TP beans in the case of the cedar but it's um you in the case of the cedar but it's um you know the less smell um generally the know the less smell um generally the less off gasing you're having the less less off gasing you're having the less chemicals you're smelling yeah sure you chemicals you're smelling yeah sure you guys just use Hemlock and popler Hemlock guys just use Hemlock and popler Hemlock and popler and popler is has virtually and popler and popler is has virtually no odor at all um so that is you know no odor at all um so that is you know the least of guessing we get uh the least of guessing we get uh customers some times that are just customers some times that are just really sensitive um don't want any smell really sensitive um don't want any smell at all the hemlock um is a little less at all the hemlock um is a little less expensive not it's not a lower quality expensive not it's not a lower quality it's just less expensive for us to get it's just less expensive for us to get um it has a very mild smell we don't see um it has a very mild smell we don't see problems with it like we do at the um problems with it like we do at the um Cedar so it's a good option if you don't Cedar so it's a good option if you don't need the PO cool and would you talk a need the PO cool and would you talk a little bit about um the risks of near little bit about um the risks of near infrared yeah you know and some of this infrared yeah you know and some of this you know skin aging and cataracts o you know skin aging and cataracts o stress and these types of things yeah stress and these types of things yeah Ely um that is a big topic and it's a

Ely um that is a big topic and it's a potentially really confusing topic that potentially really confusing topic that comes up a lot um because near infrared comes up a lot um because near infrared it's in a lot of saunas um so I've done it's in a lot of saunas um so I've done a lot of research on that um and so yeah a lot of research on that um and so yeah so infrared saas have traditionally been so infrared saas have traditionally been far infared going back decades there's far infared going back decades there's dozens and dozens of studies on you know dozens and dozens of studies on you know humans and far infrared saas um safety humans and far infrared saas um safety and the benefits are well studied near and the benefits are well studied near infrared there's never actually been a infrared there's never actually been a study using near infrared in a sauna study using near infrared in a sauna there are studies showing benefits using there are studies showing benefits using um LEDs or lasers to treat local areas um LEDs or lasers to treat local areas of the body in specific doses um there of the body in specific doses um there are benefits but it just it it's it are benefits but it just it it's it hasn't been studied you know in in a hasn't been studied you know in in a sauna and there are risks you know there sauna and there are risks you know there are studies showing that it actually are studies showing that it actually works bya a hormesis which is means it's works bya a hormesis which is means it's like a stress to your cells so a little like a stress to your cells so a little bit causes just enough stress a little bit causes just enough stress a little bit is good too much is bad it causes bit is good too much is bad it causes you know can cause um you cellular

you know can cause um you cellular damage um skin aging um yeah and yeah damage um skin aging um yeah and yeah it's long been known to be bad for your it's long been known to be bad for your eyes it promotes cataract formation um eyes it promotes cataract formation um but yeah there are companies a lot of but yeah there are companies a lot of companies have added it to the saunas companies have added it to the saunas now um just now um just without you know I mean we're we're without you know I mean we're we're we're a different sort of company we're we're a different sort of company we're very science-based um not all companies very science-based um not all companies are um yeah there's just nothing nothing are um yeah there's just nothing nothing no evidence of the safety one way or the no evidence of the safety one way or the other so and there's really no added other so and there's really no added benefits you know that you don't Al that benefits you know that you don't Al that you don't not getting with the farm for you don't not getting with the farm for red so I think it's just we're confident red so I think it's just we're confident that it's much safer to stick with the that it's much safer to stick with the far yeah I'm I'm all for safety um you far yeah I'm I'm all for safety um you know there's so know there's so much information going out there and much information going out there and podcasts people and uh one of the podcasts people and uh one of the reasons I reached out to is I really reasons I reached out to is I really want to clear the air on a lot of these want to clear the air on a lot of these things and um it's shocking to me and I things and um it's shocking to me and I don't want to name anybody that's you

don't want to name anybody that's you know giving this information out or know giving this information out or anything like that I'm really not a main anything like that I'm really not a main Basher but I just want to kind of just Basher but I just want to kind of just clear the air on some things because a clear the air on some things because a lot of this information is about you lot of this information is about you know you need high temperature in order know you need high temperature in order to get a lot of these benefits yeah and to get a lot of these benefits yeah and um you know not only is that not true um you know not only is that not true that um the amount of time that a lot of that um the amount of time that a lot of these Protocols are set for isn't enough these Protocols are set for isn't enough time for your core body temperature to time for your core body temperature to rise in these saunas the traditional rise in these saunas the traditional sauna yeah and that um infrared saunas sauna yeah and that um infrared saunas can raise your core body temperature a can raise your core body temperature a lot faster yeah and they're telling lot faster yeah and they're telling people to get into sauna for 20 minutes people to get into sauna for 20 minutes yeah and it just won't raise your core yeah and it just won't raise your core body temperature and without that core body temperature and without that core body temperature rise you're not going body temperature rise you're not going to get this paresis you're not going to to get this paresis you're not going to get the heat shock proteins and a lot of get the heat shock proteins and a lot of the benefits so um maybe you can give us the benefits so um maybe you can give us a little bit of the of the studies there a little bit of the of the studies there and what's going on with infrared versus and what's going on with infrared versus you know I I would love to this is a you know I I would love to this is a topic that um you know we a lot and like

topic that um you know we a lot and like I said I feel like I've been getting it I said I feel like I've been getting it even more than usual lately um and it is even more than usual lately um and it is a confusing topic it's understandably a confusing topic it's understandably confusing because you know we think of confusing because you know we think of temperature well temperature is a temperature well temperature is a measure of how much heat something has measure of how much heat something has um but it doesn't matter so much how um but it doesn't matter so much how much heat the stuff around us has what much heat the stuff around us has what matters is how much heat is being matters is how much heat is being transferred to us right so you know transferred to us right so you know there's three ways you can transfer heat there's three ways you can transfer heat I'll try to go through the Sciences I'll try to go through the Sciences stuff really quick but um you know stuff really quick but um you know there's conduction convection and there's conduction convection and radiation radiation which radiation does not mean ionizing which radiation does not mean ionizing radiation the X-ray is gamma rays we're radiation the X-ray is gamma rays we're not talking nuclear um it just means any not talking nuclear um it just means any energy transfer by a light wave um so energy transfer by a light wave um so infrared is a radiant heat um conduction infrared is a radiant heat um conduction is when you touch a stove you're is when you touch a stove you're touching an object and that transfers touching an object and that transfers the Heat and then convection is the the Heat and then convection is the primary way that a traditional Sona primary way that a traditional Sona Heats you um it heats the air the air Heats you um it heats the air the air circulates um the air touches you and circulates um the air touches you and you know it it heats the air it's you know it it heats the air it's touching the has to move to you the air

touching the has to move to you the air has to heat you it's not a very has to heat you it's not a very efficient way generally I mean it efficient way generally I mean it depends on a lot of factors you know the depends on a lot of factors you know the temperature difference and a lot of temperature difference and a lot of things but um it it takes you know you things but um it it takes you know you have to let the air has to circulate to have to let the air has to circulate to heat up the whole room um then air is heat up the whole room um then air is not the best conductor you know compare not the best conductor you know compare air to you know water is by far a better air to you know water is by far a better conductor um so um yeah but that's so in conductor um so um yeah but that's so in that case the air temperature tells you that case the air temperature tells you how much heat you're getting with a how much heat you're getting with a sauna um sauna um the with an infrared sa I'm sorry the the with an infrared sa I'm sorry the infrared Heats you directly without infrared Heats you directly without heating the air as much um so picture heating the air as much um so picture you know infrared is why the sun feels you know infrared is why the sun feels warm even when the air is cold so warm even when the air is cold so picture the difference your outside on a picture the difference your outside on a hot day and the difference between a hot day and the difference between a complete shade and direct sunlight um complete shade and direct sunlight um the air is the same temperature but you the air is the same temperature but you have I used live it Bolder right yeah have I used live it Bolder right yeah and you go outside and be 35 degrees in and you go outside and be 35 degrees in a t-shirt that's why

a t-shirt that's why and it would be cold and when the Sun and it would be cold and when the Sun goes behind a cloud it drops you know 10 goes behind a cloud it drops you know 10 15 you know what degrees and that's not 15 you know what degrees and that's not because the air temperature drops that because the air temperature drops that quickly it's just the radiant energy quickly it's just the radiant energy from the Sun um so yeah the sun can from the Sun um so yeah the sun can actually you know heat up something far actually you know heat up something far hotter than the air whereas with hotter than the air whereas with convection heat you can't um you know a convection heat you can't um you know a black you know panel lineing in direct black you know panel lineing in direct sunlight can heat up to well over 100 sunlight can heat up to well over 100 even if it's 60 degrees out um even if it's 60 degrees out um so yeah not getting trying to not get so yeah not getting trying to not get too long-winded but that's an INF for too long-winded but that's an INF for Sona that the air temperature is not as Sona that the air temperature is not as relevant to how much so talk talk a relevant to how much so talk talk a little bit about you know we looked at a little bit about you know we looked at a few studies and you sent me some studies few studies and you sent me some studies to look at as well yeah um where and you to look at as well yeah um where and you can go into it more it within 15 minutes can go into it more it within 15 minutes of being in an infrared sauna and not of being in an infrared sauna and not turned up all the way um because you turned up all the way um because you know I I have a high-tech sauna in my H know I I have a high-tech sauna in my H in my house and you know I kind of crank

in my house and you know I kind of crank it because I've been using it for so it because I've been using it for so long and it gets up into the well into long and it gets up into the well into the high 150 yeah but a lot of these the high 150 yeah but a lot of these studies are at 140 degrees and at 140 studies are at 140 degrees and at 140 degrees in an infrared sauna in 15 degrees in an infrared sauna in 15 minutes you can raise your core body minutes you can raise your core body temperature quite a bit where we're temperature quite a bit where we're going to get heat shock proteins and we going to get heat shock proteins and we can talk about those later but in 15 can talk about those later but in 15 minutes in a regular sauna it doesn't minutes in a regular sauna it doesn't seem to to happen yeah I mean based on seem to to happen yeah I mean based on you know limited evidence I've seen I you know limited evidence I've seen I you know I haven't read extensively how you know I haven't read extensively how but yeah according to the studies that but yeah according to the studies that um that we've read um but yeah that's um that we've read um but yeah that's another thing that people you know they another thing that people you know they hear that you need the high temperatures hear that you need the high temperatures I think somewhere there's confusion I think somewhere there's confusion somewhere along that train of somewhere along that train of communication where they're confusing communication where they're confusing the traditional sauna with the infrared the traditional sauna with the infrared sauna there's never I've never seen and sauna there's never I've never seen and I've done a ton of research on you know I've done a ton of research on you know benefits on saunas infid saunas um and benefits on saunas infid saunas um and traditional saunas um I've never seen a

traditional saunas um I've never seen a study in an infrared sauna in humans study in an infrared sauna in humans over 140 um I have Pro a collection of over 140 um I have Pro a collection of 60 70 human infrar far infrared SAA 60 70 human infrar far infrared SAA studies um they're all between the low studies um they're all between the low 120s I think 123 up to 140 is the 120s I think 123 up to 140 is the highest so all of the benefits you know highest so all of the benefits you know are coming from that temperature range are coming from that temperature range so there's no need to use it higher than so there's no need to use it higher than that for one thing um yeah and the core that for one thing um yeah and the core body temperature so what matters you body temperature so what matters you know most of the benefits you're getting know most of the benefits you're getting from raising your core body temperature from raising your core body temperature um that's what activates heat shock um that's what activates heat shock proteins which are which I proteins which are which I love right they are yeah so they are love right they are yeah so they are proteins um they're in every cell of our proteins um they're in every cell of our body at Baseline their job is to Quality body at Baseline their job is to Quality Control all the other proteins so they Control all the other proteins so they find damage and they repair it um so find damage and they repair it um so higher levels of heat chock proteins higher levels of heat chock proteins just makes all of our tissues healthier just makes all of our tissues healthier harder more resistant to damage image harder more resistant to damage image that are able to repair um so and that

that are able to repair um so and that is you know it seems that's that's the is you know it seems that's that's the way that most of the benefits that's way that most of the benefits that's where most of the benefits are coming where most of the benefits are coming from um based on you know my extensive from um based on you know my extensive research is I'm elevating our heat shock research is I'm elevating our heat shock proteins right yeah you know I we try to proteins right yeah you know I we try to make these protocols for people you know make these protocols for people you know and how much sauna to get and um you and how much sauna to get and um you know nobody wants to say n sauna for know nobody wants to say n sauna for more than 20 minutes really right and so more than 20 minutes really right and so like if you're gonna like if you're gonna use I maybe maybe 30 you know I mean you use I maybe maybe 30 you know I mean you can get people can get people staying trying to get people to do it staying trying to get people to do it multiple times a multiple times a week you know they always about time week you know they always about time right so everyone's busy you don't want right so everyone's busy you don't want to sit there for an hour yeah so so to sit there for an hour yeah so so trying to get them to do that you know trying to get them to do that you know we know exercise releases some heat shot we know exercise releases some heat shot proteins and you know uh the hypoxia proteins and you know uh the hypoxia training so we're always having people training so we're always having people you know do some hypoxia with with you know do some hypoxia with with breath work any any stress basically or breath work any any stress basically or most stresses most stresses do will

most stresses most stresses do will trigger heat shock proteins but heat is trigger heat shock proteins but heat is you know one of the best ways to trigger you know one of the best ways to trigger them trigger them and they're called them trigger them and they're called heat shock proteins because that's how heat shock proteins because that's how they were discovered um yeah you can they were discovered um yeah you can activate them lots of ways um yeah and activate them lots of ways um yeah and we actually as far as raising core body we actually as far as raising core body temperature yeah there's um a couple temperature yeah there's um a couple good studies that very directly good studies that very directly concretely show that um after 15 minutes concretely show that um after 15 minutes at 140 um the temperatures of the at 140 um the temperatures of the subjects are elevated um to a degree subjects are elevated um to a degree that is sufficient to induce heat chock that is sufficient to induce heat chock proteins um and then even more than that proteins um and then even more than that we actually did um our own company we actually did um our own company internal study um we all spent actually internal study um we all spent actually year at least a year taking our year at least a year taking our temperature every five minutes while we temperature every five minutes while we saw it and this leads into I can briefly saw it and this leads into I can briefly tell you about our new smart Z oh yeah tell you about our new smart Z oh yeah that was that was part of the background that was that was part of the background yeah um this was designed by um Eric our yeah um this was designed by um Eric our president electrical engineer really president electrical engineer really smart guy um but based on the search on

smart guy um but based on the search on um heat chck proteins heat acclamation um heat chck proteins heat acclamation and then you know adding in I don't know and then you know adding in I don't know how many hundreds or even thousands of how many hundreds or even thousands of data points you know we gave um for the data points you know we gave um for the year reording our temperatures So based year reording our temperatures So based on um our smart sauna based on the uh on um our smart sauna based on the uh your gender age weight activity level a your gender age weight activity level a few other things when you first use it few other things when you first use it you put in a few things it remembers you put in a few things it remembers your user profile it predicts your core your user profile it predicts your core body temperature based on your body temperature based on your saic and then it helps guides you to use saic and then it helps guides you to use it to most efficiently become heat it to most efficiently become heat acclimated which is the state where um acclimated which is the state where um yes when you're acclimated to the heat yes when you're acclimated to the heat your heat shock proteins are elevated at your heat shock proteins are elevated at Baseline so you don't get you know that Baseline so you don't get you know that bump and drop every time you just have a bump and drop every time you just have a high high steady level um along you know high high steady level um along you know other all kinds of health benefits come other all kinds of health benefits come with being heat acclimated um you know with being heat acclimated um you know not to mention the athletic um not to mention the athletic um advantages but um so yeah so based on advantages but um so yeah so based on the research on heat acclamation you the research on heat acclamation you know the sauna um using AI it will it

know the sauna um using AI it will it will help you to get there you know if will help you to get there you know if you take time off it'll tell you um it you take time off it'll tell you um it tells you what percentage you are um so tells you what percentage you are um so for people who like numbers it'll tell for people who like numbers it'll tell you you're 70% full um heat acclamation you you're 70% full um heat acclamation which we call SAA Fitness so yeah that's which we call SAA Fitness so yeah that's fantastic it's really cool um yeah and fantastic it's really cool um yeah and it's our same you know the foundation it's our same you know the foundation SAA is it's the same as far as the SAA is it's the same as far as the construction the heaters and get this it construction the heaters and get this it even has a low EMF mode once you get it even has a low EMF mode once you get it going you can turn up into low EMF mode going you can turn up into low EMF mode and the live side shuts off you need and the live side shuts off you need that to kind of get it started but um that to kind of get it started but um but yeah you can turn that off so yeah but yeah you can turn that off so yeah we're excited about it just came out I'm we're excited about it just came out I'm so excited and um you know just to give so excited and um you know just to give everyone a little bit back on just how everyone a little bit back on just how important these heat chock proteins are important these heat chock proteins are um especially for as you um especially for as you age um so one thing that happens to your age um so one thing that happens to your to your body is your proteins don't fold to your body is your proteins don't fold correctly especially albumin and um so correctly especially albumin and um so heat Shack proteins increase folding and heat Shack proteins increase folding and repair um they increase cellular

repair um they increase cellular protection and they protect good cells protection and they protect good cells from going through apoptosis like your from going through apoptosis like your neurons um we're going to talk about neurons um we're going to talk about Dimension stuff in a little while um Dimension stuff in a little while um also increased also increased longevity and enhanced immunity and longevity and enhanced immunity and anti-inflammatory so I mean if anybody anti-inflammatory so I mean if anybody is going to really you know invest in is going to really you know invest in human optimization and Longevity this is human optimization and Longevity this is an incredible tool they're really an incredible tool they're really amazing yeah the things they do um as amazing yeah the things they do um as far as longevity I mean there was a far as longevity I mean there was a study on uh mice the mice you know with study on uh mice the mice you know with elevated heat shock proteins 177% they elevated heat shock proteins 177% they lived 17% longer and it wasn't just lived 17% longer and it wasn't just longer lifespan it's a longer Health longer lifespan it's a longer Health span they acted young right a span they acted young right a corresponding you know extra amount of corresponding you know extra amount of time um yeah I mean really really cool time um yeah I mean really really cool studies um on the heat Shack proteins studies um on the heat Shack proteins let's talk a little bit about um let's talk a little bit about um detoxification um so every year in the detoxification um so every year in the clinic we run a massive tox panel clinic we run a massive tox panel and everything from Plastics you know

and everything from Plastics you know microplastics to um volatile compounds microplastics to um volatile compounds to heavy metals um speak a little bit to heavy metals um speak a little bit about and part of our protocol is that about and part of our protocol is that they need to get in the sauna at least they need to get in the sauna at least three to four times a week during this three to four times a week during this detox when we give them some other detox when we give them some other supplements that they're GNA be supplements that they're GNA be taking yeah um I mean you know sweat is taking yeah um I mean you know sweat is a great way it's one of the main ways we a great way it's one of the main ways we eliminate um toxins s s yeah there's um eliminate um toxins s s yeah there's um cool studies the bus studies the blood cool studies the bus studies the blood urine sweat studies they measured all urine sweat studies they measured all kinds of different toxins in our you kinds of different toxins in our you blood in our in the subs blood urine and blood in our in the subs blood urine and sweat and um many of these toxins are sweat and um many of these toxins are present in much higher concentrations in present in much higher concentrations in the sweat than they are even in the the sweat than they are even in the blood so you know suggesting we're blood so you know suggesting we're really actively excreting um things out really actively excreting um things out of our body when we sweat so yeah um and of our body when we sweat so yeah um and then also another thing is the the heat then also another thing is the the heat chock proteins again to bring it back to chock proteins again to bring it back to that um they will help you know repair that um they will help you know repair the damage that the toxins do decrease

the damage that the toxins do decrease inflammation and um well I guess you inflammation and um well I guess you have to increase it a little bit to have to increase it a little bit to repair the damage but then they decrease repair the damage but then they decrease chronic inflammation which does a lot of chronic inflammation which does a lot of damage um and they will protect your damage um and they will protect your cells from damage so so that's another cells from damage so so that's another way that as far as detoxing it benefits way that as far as detoxing it benefits you it makes you more resistant to the you it makes you more resistant to the toxins you're still struggling to get toxins you're still struggling to get out yeah fantastic um so there's a ton out yeah fantastic um so there's a ton of research on cardiovascular health um of research on cardiovascular health um you know when it whether it's blood you know when it whether it's blood pressure whether it's heart rate pressure whether it's heart rate variability nitric oxide um all these variability nitric oxide um all these are budge words endothelial Health Soh are budge words endothelial Health Soh talk a little bit about that yeah um talk a little bit about that yeah um probably the most research on INF foret probably the most research on INF foret saas um out of Japan where they call it saas um out of Japan where they call it they far infared sauna therapy um they they far infared sauna therapy um they actually I think it's a standard actually I think it's a standard treatment there for for uh heart failure treatment there for for uh heart failure and other cardiac things they call it and other cardiac things they call it Wan therapy wo n um so there's a lot of Wan therapy wo n um so there's a lot of research there um that's yeah they use research there um that's yeah they use it for uh heart failure lots of studies

it for uh heart failure lots of studies it's probably the mo most robust um it's probably the mo most robust um studies showing that even just a few studies showing that even just a few weeks a lot of these studies even just a weeks a lot of these studies even just a few weeks will um improve the parameters few weeks will um improve the parameters that they're looking at um you know like that they're looking at um you know like heart size injection faction um really heart size injection faction um really significant improvements um and I think significant improvements um and I think part of how it does this and actually part of how it does this and actually there from what I've seen this isn't there from what I've seen this isn't absolute but there's um a couple study absolute but there's um a couple study one at least study suggesting that far one at least study suggesting that far infrared actually releases nitric oxide infrared actually releases nitric oxide independently of heat so that may be one independently of heat so that may be one way that the infrared saunas are um have way that the infrared saunas are um have an advantage over traditional saunas um an advantage over traditional saunas um but either way they do release it you but either way they do release it you know whether it's Heat or the heat plus know whether it's Heat or the heat plus this other mechanism um and nitric oxide this other mechanism um and nitric oxide is huge for you know preventing um is huge for you know preventing um that's what you need um you're releasing that's what you need um you're releasing it by from the lining of your blood it by from the lining of your blood vessels and that's what you need to vessels and that's what you need to dilate in response to more blood so dilate in response to more blood so you're um if you don't have that you you're um if you don't have that you know your pict sure you're trying to you know your pict sure you're trying to you know force force more and more blood

know force force more and more blood through a stiff artery that's not through a stiff artery that's not dilating and that can cause damage and dilating and that can cause damage and kind of start process so that's kind of kind of start process so that's kind of one of the primary ways it works um one of the primary ways it works um right and we know also nitric oxide right and we know also nitric oxide helps with stem cell health and yeah and helps with stem cell health and yeah and angiogen other benefit New Blood yeah angiogen other benefit New Blood yeah new blood vessels endogenesis all that new blood vessels endogenesis all that stuff yeah great um so many other things stuff yeah great um so many other things talk a little bit about sleep um yeah um talk a little bit about sleep um yeah um sleep there actually seen one or two I sleep there actually seen one or two I haven't seen a ton of studies on sleep haven't seen a ton of studies on sleep but I that's what I hear often Mo most but I that's what I hear often Mo most often probably subjectively from our often probably subjectively from our customers that it helps and sleep both a customers that it helps and sleep both a ton I mean it does um you know regulates ton I mean it does um you know regulates lowers cortisol you know def um which lowers cortisol you know def um which you know interferes with sleep so you know interferes with sleep so definitely some evidence that it's very definitely some evidence that it's very good for sleep you know boost endorphins good for sleep you know boost endorphins um definitely for mood mental health um um definitely for mood mental health um but yeah I keep digging for do some more but yeah I keep digging for do some more research on that because I hear it all research on that because I hear it all the time right let's let's segue into

the time right let's let's segue into mental health that's a really great mental health that's a really great thing to go into I mean like um you know thing to go into I mean like um you know release of endorphins and dorphin and release of endorphins and dorphin and maybe you can talk about those things maybe you can talk about those things yeah yeah yeah like how we can prevent yeah yeah yeah like how we can prevent you know degenerative diseases you know you know degenerative diseases you know like all the dementias and things like like all the dementias and things like that that's a really exciting one I love that that's a really exciting one I love that topic too but yeah um it definitely that topic too but yeah um it definitely heat releases endorphins one of probably heat releases endorphins one of probably the biggest you know concrete thing I the biggest you know concrete thing I noticed when I first got my saw and noticed when I first got my saw and started using it was just how good it started using it was just how good it feels I mean you get like an an feels I mean you get like an an endorphin eye you know in there just so endorphin eye you know in there just so relaxing and kind of feel better for the relaxing and kind of feel better for the rest of the day right that was really rest of the day right that was really noticeable I remember you know not noticeable I remember you know not expecting that um and they have shown expecting that um and they have shown that actually even just one session will that actually even just one session will give you you know mood boost for several give you you know mood boost for several days I know it's been studied um the days I know it's been studied um the depression there's whole body heating depression there's whole body heating there's a lot of studies going on for there's a lot of studies going on for treat depression um with heat and treat depression um with heat and um yeah and I think endorphins as well

um yeah and I think endorphins as well as probably lowering uh cortisol as probably lowering uh cortisol probably part of it you know that um but probably part of it you know that um but yeah it's great stuff we we all need yeah it's great stuff we we all need that yeah so much stuff right um what do that yeah so much stuff right um what do you think like people with chronic you think like people with chronic diseases like like what kind of chronic diseases like like what kind of chronic in general in general like especially like um immune diseases like especially like um immune diseases yeah well I was just going to say before yeah well I was just going to say before you even said that I think every I think you even said that I think every I think we're going to eventually come to the we're going to eventually come to the conclusion that it's all just conclusion that it's all just inflammation every disease I mean every inflammation every disease I mean every disease it's at least worsened by disease it's at least worsened by inflammation you know but yeah so many inflammation you know but yeah so many of these chronic diseases our our immune of these chronic diseases our our immune system is actually doing the damage um system is actually doing the damage um you know chronic inflammation you get you know chronic inflammation you get when your immune system revs up and when your immune system revs up and there's just no off switch you know um there's just no off switch you know um and there's so many things that we do and there's so many things that we do toxins increase um inflammation there so toxins increase um inflammation there so many things um yeah and son has been many things um yeah and son has been well known well established that son is

well known well established that son is lower inflammation um right in a lot of lower inflammation um right in a lot of complicated ways the immune system is so complicated ways the immune system is so complicated it's amazing yeah and you complicated it's amazing yeah and you know um there's like all kinds of know um there's like all kinds of different research out there for cancer different research out there for cancer can you speak on that you know what that can you speak on that you know what that is one that I have dug not dug into a is one that I have dug not dug into a ton because okay you have to be very ton because okay you have to be very careful about what we say about cancer careful about what we say about cancer with the yeah no I did too you know I with the yeah no I did too you know I just it's one I know there's some out just it's one I know there's some out there yeah but I've purposely kind of there yeah but I've purposely kind of avoided that topic but if you you take avoided that topic but if you you take you can take a turn to speak if you have you can take a turn to speak if you have stuff to say about it maybe I should stuff to say about it maybe I should learn um you know I yeah every time learn um you know I yeah every time cancer is so controversial and like cancer is so controversial and like everything's so controversial and I feel everything's so controversial and I feel that everyone's afraid to say something that everyone's afraid to say something because you're gonna get attacked um and because you're gonna get attacked um and I think it's really it's really a bad I think it's really it's really a bad scene you know and uh Physicians that scene you know and uh Physicians that are you know taking insurance and are you know taking insurance and they're highly controlled and they can they're highly controlled and they can get audited and all this stuff I think

get audited and all this stuff I think it's it's sad that they have these it's it's sad that they have these handcuffs on yeah right um but you know handcuffs on yeah right um but you know there's no way that getting in the sauna there's no way that getting in the sauna is going to harm you if you have cancer is going to harm you if you have cancer right I mean like all these all these right I mean like all these all these mechanisms that we're looking at you mechanisms that we're looking at you know you got increased nitric oxide know you got increased nitric oxide you're getting better blood flow you're you're getting better blood flow you're stimulating your immune system you're stimulating your immune system you're feeling better you're releasing feeling better you're releasing endorphins that make you feel better endorphins that make you feel better control your mood control your pain control your mood control your pain right um these dorphin and all these right um these dorphin and all these different things like I I can't see how different things like I I can't see how it could be worse or like you know and it could be worse or like you know and you're going to get if you're on you're going to get if you're on chemotherapy you're gonna get it spread chemotherapy you're gonna get it spread to more of C because of this you know so to more of C because of this you know so um I just think it's all good plus you um I just think it's all good plus you know anecdotal information of people you know anecdotal information of people you know that are going through it like they know that are going through it like they feel better by using it so yeah anytime feel better by using it so yeah anytime you can affect somebody's you know you can affect somebody's you know outlook on life when they're going outlook on life when they're going through something really difficult through something really difficult absolutely why not absolutely yeah um

absolutely why not absolutely yeah um there's very very few contraindications there's very very few contraindications or thing you know with the son it's or thing you know with the son it's really um yeah I mean just just a few really um yeah I mean just just a few really I mean uh you want to avoid it in really I mean uh you want to avoid it in pregnancy especially early pregnancy especially early definitely I don't know what do you tell definitely I don't know what do you tell so um a severe hemophilia there's some so um a severe hemophilia there's some hel hemophilia that are contraindication hel hemophilia that are contraindication I believe the okay exin ones um I I believe the okay exin ones um I usually tell people with a a seizure usually tell people with a a seizure disorder to kind of be cautious because disorder to kind of be cautious because the increased body temperature can lower the increased body temperature can lower your seizure your seizure threshold um can't think of any others threshold um can't think of any others really that I AR really that I AR necessarily all right so just three of necessarily all right so just three of those three Contra indications yeah yeah those three Contra indications yeah yeah I mean some of other others might be I mean some of other others might be relative depending on but yeah there's relative depending on but yeah there's really not a lot of things people ask really not a lot of things people ask all the time you know people ask about all the time you know people ask about um implants or devices medical devices um implants or devices medical devices that imp aned we get that question all that imp aned we get that question all the time and that's totally fine um you

the time and that's totally fine um you know they're not going to heat up any know they're not going to heat up any more than your body heats up right so more than your body heats up right so that's fine um what would you say um that's fine um what would you say um somebody new to infrared sauna they're somebody new to infrared sauna they're gonna purchase a sauna what would you gonna purchase a sauna what would you say like their protocol would be like say like their protocol would be like starting out and how do they Advance starting out and how do they Advance their protocol and yeah um so we their protocol and yeah um so we definitely say start slowly um you know definitely say start slowly um you know if you're not used to it you don't want if you're not used to it you don't want to overdo it to overdo it um we do have a protocol um which you um we do have a protocol um which you know for someone who is relatively know for someone who is relatively healthy you know it's probably a little healthy you know it's probably a little on the conservative side so you can on the conservative side so you can start with that and then just listen to start with that and then just listen to your body um I would say start you know your body um I would say start you know 110 15 for okay 15 minutes you know 110 15 for okay 15 minutes you know that's that's that's low it's a short that's that's that's low it's a short but you know just see how you feel you but you know just see how you feel you know if you're feeling great um you want know if you're feeling great um you want more you know and then if you're ever if more you know and then if you're ever if you get to a point where you're not you get to a point where you're not feeling great you just back off but you feeling great you just back off but you you know if someone who's dealing with you know if someone who's dealing with you know severe illnesses or really

you know severe illnesses or really heavy toxic Verdin or is older and and heavy toxic Verdin or is older and and does want to be cautious you know our does want to be cautious you know our protocol we give you the protocol if you protocol we give you the protocol if you buy SAA and it um it has you increasing buy SAA and it um it has you increasing just you know by a few minutes a few just you know by a few minutes a few degrees kind of kind of every day so it degrees kind of kind of every day so it has you going pretty slowly nice um and has you going pretty slowly nice um and our smart sauna takes care of it for you our smart sauna takes care of it for you so you don't have to worry about it it so you don't have to worry about it it just sets it for you and tells you yeah just sets it for you and tells you yeah is a smart SAA out right now it is we um is a smart SAA out right now it is we um yeah we're almost let's see the two yeah we're almost let's see the two person came out in March April and then person came out in March April and then the three person we have coming in we the three person we have coming in we expect them in December so getting them expect them in December so getting them in the three person if somebody already in the three person if somebody already has a high-tech Health sauna can they has a high-tech Health sauna can they buy an buy an upgrade they have to well no not for upgrade they have to well no not for they would have to buy the whole any they would have to buy the whole any okay I just curious if they can just get okay I just curious if they can just get get a new sell sell the old one yeah get a new sell sell the old one yeah they can sell the what is what is cool they can sell the what is what is cool though with the smart sauna is that will though with the smart sauna is that will be able to remotely update those so if

be able to remotely update those so if you buy one now and we um in advance you you buy one now and we um in advance you know develop some more Technology For It know develop some more Technology For It software down the road we'll update it software down the road we'll update it remotely so so oh that's fantastic yeah remotely so so oh that's fantastic yeah Isn't that cool yeah oh yeah that the Isn't that cool yeah oh yeah that the new ones actually can connect to the new ones actually can connect to the internet right so yeah yeah so you don't internet right so yeah yeah so you don't won't have to worry about us you know I won't have to worry about us you know I might have to might have to upgrade when did you get upgrade when did you get yours a while yours a while ago I I I've been talking about these ago I I I've been talking about these for a really long time it's amazing we for a really long time it's amazing we were doing um some you know Outreach to were doing um some you know Outreach to our docs which is how we connected um our docs which is how we connected um recently but talked to people that um I recently but talked to people that um I talked to one uh lady she had her she talked to one uh lady she had her she got her on in 99 25 years she said it's got her on in 99 25 years she said it's still working great we still use it all still working great we still use it all the the time they work fantastic right it's I time they work fantastic right it's I mean they just don't it's amazing how mean they just don't it's amazing how long they long they last and and they heat up quick and you last and and they heat up quick and you know you only need you don't have to get know you only need you don't have to get special power yeah you know like special power yeah you know like uh before I knew about you guys like

uh before I knew about you guys like um you know there were some other saas um you know there were some other saas that I got for my parents and I needed that I got for my parents and I needed to like run a 220 line yeah that's our to like run a 220 line yeah that's our are more efficient yeah so but you know are more efficient yeah so but you know so you guys use regular outlet you don't so you guys use regular outlet you don't have to change any of your electrical have to change any of your electrical power our two person plugs into a power our two person plugs into a standard outlet the three person standard outlet the three person requires 20 amps but the two person is requires 20 amps but the two person is just a standard so yes super convenient just a standard so yes super convenient I really love the two person I love how I really love the two person I love how close the two emitters in the front close the two emitters in the front are yeah it's by far our most most are yeah it's by far our most most popular model so yeah I love being able popular model so yeah I love being able to put my knee in front of that emitter to put my knee in front of that emitter yeah it's it's fantastic I mean I really yeah it's it's fantastic I mean I really highly recommend anyone with any kind of highly recommend anyone with any kind of joint discomfort like it's incredible to joint discomfort like it's incredible to feel that Heat going into your knee feel that Heat going into your knee absolutely and how it feels there's a absolutely and how it feels there's a couple like small things that there's couple like small things that there's not a ton of data for but I just wanted not a ton of data for but I just wanted to like pick your brain on it one was to like pick your brain on it one was release of growth hormone do you think

release of growth hormone do you think it's appreciable enough do you think it's appreciable enough do you think it's something we talk about I haven't it's something we talk about I haven't gotten into the research on that I I can gotten into the research on that I I can do that and give back to you but I I do that and give back to you but I I don't have okay some of the stuff I don't have okay some of the stuff I looked into it takes a little bit longer looked into it takes a little bit longer you need like maybe 30 minutes and um if you need like maybe 30 minutes and um if you and one of the things maybe you you and one of the things maybe you could talk about is I tell people to go could talk about is I tell people to go in the sauna you know work up your sweat in the sauna you know work up your sweat I tell him to bring a tow in and uh to I tell him to bring a tow in and uh to blot not to rub blot not to rub that if they block this the sweat off that if they block this the sweat off their body it makes them heat up more so their body it makes them heat up more so that they're not that they're not cooling and then when they're done I say cooling and then when they're done I say walk right into a cool shower to get all walk right into a cool shower to get all those toxins off your body and to course those toxins off your body and to course to to close and there is also some to to close and there is also some evidence that the um the change in evidence that the um the change in temperature a fast change in temperature temperature a fast change in temperature will better activate the heat shock will better activate the heat shock protein so people ask that um the cold protein so people ask that um the cold plunge is kind of a thing lately we're plunge is kind of a thing lately we're hearing more about about that and yeah hearing more about about that and yeah it doesn't sound as comfortable as the

it doesn't sound as comfortable as the as the sauna but I do have cold plunge as the sauna but I do have cold plunge right next to my SAA yeah I mean if you right next to my SAA yeah I mean if you want to do it I like the relaxing heat I want to do it I like the relaxing heat I don't know about the ice but um but up don't know about the ice but um but up for it it there is right evidence that for it it there is right evidence that that may increase heat CH proteins even that may increase heat CH proteins even better than the heat alone so oh better than the heat alone so oh fantastic I find it so much easier to go fantastic I find it so much easier to go from a sauna to a cold punch then in the from a sauna to a cold punch then in the morning what I try to do is I wake up in morning what I try to do is I wake up in the morning and within like five minutes the morning and within like five minutes of waking I try to get into a cold lunge of waking I try to get into a cold lunge oh yeah oh yeah no that's quite difficult and um it's no that's quite difficult and um it's hard enough me to get up to sauna I'm hard enough me to get up to sauna I'm not getting out of bed for a not getting out of bed for a [Music] [Music] cold um there's another like uh cold um there's another like uh longevity mechanism so um there's a gene longevity mechanism so um there's a gene and it's called and it's called foxo3 and I was looking and you know foxo3 and I was looking and you know foxo3 is associated with some DNA repair foxo3 is associated with some DNA repair um you know and some clearance of damage um you know and some clearance of damage eles which is syence right so a lot of

eles which is syence right so a lot of the protocols we use here at Pao the protocols we use here at Pao Institute is to decrease ccent burden Institute is to decrease ccent burden over time you know whether we're using over time you know whether we're using Romy or daip or fasting scheduling um Romy or daip or fasting scheduling um some of the Quin fiin te the flavens um some of the Quin fiin te the flavens um so we're always focused on like can we so we're always focused on like can we reduce this um ccent burden and we try reduce this um ccent burden and we try to me measure some of the markers of to me measure some of the markers of syence called the sasp um in some of the syence called the sasp um in some of the labs that we run yearly labs that we run yearly um I saw some evidence that you know SAA um I saw some evidence that you know SAA does activate does activate foxo3 um I don't again I don't I'm not foxo3 um I don't again I don't I'm not I'm not gonna answer if I'm not com but I'm not gonna answer if I'm not com but I mean I know I've heard that June but I I mean I know I've heard that June but I don't I'm not it might be something that don't I'm not it might be something that we can collaborate on I'm gonna write we can collaborate on I'm gonna write these down because I'm gonna look into these down because I'm gonna look into all these all these things but yeah um what was I gonna say things but yeah um what was I gonna say it's such a fascinating topic and you it's such a fascinating topic and you know every time I look into more and know every time I look into more and more of this research it's just there's

more of this research it's just there's another benefit and then another benefit another benefit and then another benefit and I think I think that's just because and I think I think that's just because of how widespread the the heat proteins of how widespread the the heat proteins are sorry don't mean right yeah no I'm are sorry don't mean right yeah no I'm with you and the other thing that I find with you and the other thing that I find there's always people that are doubters there's always people that are doubters right and what I don't see and I see right and what I don't see and I see this on just about everything else I this on just about everything else I don't see somebody saying oh no the don't see somebody saying oh no the sauna does this and this and this bad sauna does this and this and this bad for you for you yeah yeah I really see any of that like yeah yeah I really see any of that like I said there really aren't any you know I said there really aren't any you know negative effects with the far INF fored negative effects with the far INF fored the near infrared does have some if you the near infrared does have some if you use it you know too much but um but with use it you know too much but um but with the far infrared there's you know so few the far infrared there's you know so few yeah it's um oh I was gonna say the yeah it's um oh I was gonna say the fasting is interesting as I was you know fasting is interesting as I was you know learning about CH proteins they they act learning about CH proteins they they act in a lot of the same ways well they in a lot of the same ways well they activate the he prot jein as you know activate the he prot jein as you know but it's just I found that interesting but it's just I found that interesting so that's you know um so giving you the

so that's you know um so giving you the floor is there any other research that floor is there any other research that you're looking into or is there anything you're looking into or is there anything new on the horizon or oh there's always new on the horizon or oh there's always Horizon I have a long list I mean I I've Horizon I have a long list I mean I I've been spent five years now reading all been spent five years now reading all through the research still got a list um through the research still got a list um of the um dementia Alzheimer's you're of the um dementia Alzheimer's you're gonna talk about yeah let's do that gonna talk about yeah let's do that because I think that's you know that's because I think that's you know that's really now there's all these new tests really now there's all these new tests right like phosphorated towel and right like phosphorated towel and looking into amalo and you know there's looking into amalo and you know there's more and more and more testing that more and more and more testing that we're looking for yeah and you know how we're looking for yeah and you know how well are your inhibitory neurons working well are your inhibitory neurons working yeah um yeah I mean that's it's it's yeah um yeah I mean that's it's it's there's really cool research on um just there's really cool research on um just heat and you know that was into um heat and you know that was into um clinical trials even recently with the clinical trials even recently with the heat chock proteins inducers but um you heat chock proteins inducers but um you know these diseases they are protein know these diseases they are protein misfolding diseases and that's you know misfolding diseases and that's you know what the heat chock proteins do is they what the heat chock proteins do is they unfold the proteins so yeah a lot of um unfold the proteins so yeah a lot of um you know in vitro studies showing they you know in vitro studies showing they actually just directly just unfold the actually just directly just unfold the the towel and the amalo plaqu and um so

the towel and the amalo plaqu and um so yeah promising exciting stuff um nice yeah promising exciting stuff um nice and and you don't have to you don't have and and you don't have to you don't have think of specifics you don't have to go think of specifics you don't have to go in these really hot saas you know and in these really hot saas you know and put it in your house yeah right so I put it in your house yeah right so I think that the coolest thing to take think that the coolest thing to take away from this is that like you know if away from this is that like you know if you wanted to put a traditional sauna in you wanted to put a traditional sauna in your house what an incredible expense your house what an incredible expense that is yeah right and that is yeah right and maintenance yeah I mean they're a lot maintenance yeah I mean they're a lot yeah they're a lot less efficient you yeah they're a lot less efficient you know because I was saying before you know because I was saying before you know that the downside to being less know that the downside to being less efficient is they don't heat you as well efficient is they don't heat you as well and they use more energy or to heat up and they use more energy or to heat up so um right and you know um the one that so um right and you know um the one that you have behind you is the upgraded one you have behind you is the upgraded one from the one I have um okay you have the from the one I have um okay you have the the thermal life the TL and so I mean it the thermal life the TL and so I mean it looks very similar but I don't is that looks very similar but I don't is that smart one or is that the regular one no smart one or is that the regular one no I don't have the smart one this is the I don't have the smart one this is the regular so then maybe that's the same regular so then maybe that's the same one I have then all right so what you're

one I have then all right so what you're about interesting is that it comes in about interesting is that it comes in panels right and I put it together in panels right and I put it together in like no time with barely any tools so like no time with barely any tools so I've moved twice since I've had this I've moved twice since I've had this because I just rent so I move a lot um because I just rent so I move a lot um the last time I moved I had put it the last time I moved I had put it together and taken it apart so many together and taken it apart so many times it becomes so easy I put it times it becomes so easy I put it together by myself on my lunch break together by myself on my lunch break I um it I do recommend having two people I um it I do recommend having two people the trickiest part was getting the roof the trickiest part was getting the roof up but I up but I managed yeah but yeah cool right I mean managed yeah but yeah cool right I mean I think that's just fantastic and you I think that's just fantastic and you know people think it's gonna take up a know people think it's gonna take up a huge space and like that's a twers and huge space and like that's a twers and it's like less than four be four feet by it's like less than four be four feet by four feet it's a little less than four four feet it's a little less than four feet by four feet yeah you'd be feet by four feet yeah you'd be surprised where I kind of I have it you surprised where I kind of I have it you know kind of next to my living room it know kind of next to my living room it kind of acts like a divider room divider kind of acts like a divider room divider here um yeah and it's pretty it's a here um yeah and it's pretty it's a conversation starter and most people conversation starter and most people don't put it in their living room but I

don't put it in their living room but I like it I like walk by it all the time like it I like walk by it all the time so I feel like I use it more this way so I feel like I use it more this way you you know yeah yeah same with me I um I I know yeah yeah same with me I um I I have a little extra space in my bathroom have a little extra space in my bathroom and it goes right in the corner there so and it goes right in the corner there so um it works out perfect and uh I've um it works out perfect and uh I've heard I've heard all kinds of places and heard I've heard all kinds of places and it heats up quick yeah um which is great it heats up quick yeah um which is great um the only time I've ever seen somebody um the only time I've ever seen somebody like not be able to get it up to super like not be able to get it up to super high heat is if they have it in a very high heat is if they have it in a very cold basement basement or a garage I cold basement basement or a garage I always talk about that if someone in always talk about that if someone in their garage you know you're definitely their garage you know you're definitely in a cold climate it's not going to do in a cold climate it's not going to do well in the winter but yeah even in a well in the winter but yeah even in a basement it usually does okay I mean I basement it usually does okay I mean I know a lot of yeah but yeah especially know a lot of yeah but yeah especially the one person's a little bit lower the one person's a little bit lower Powers so that's the one if if they're Powers so that's the one if if they're going to struggle um yeah ours will do going to struggle um yeah ours will do okay down in the 60s usually they'll okay down in the 60s usually they'll heat up fine from there you know a lot heat up fine from there you know a lot of companies won't because um and it's of companies won't because um and it's our heater design so um our heaters you our heater design so um our heaters you can see they look different from if can see they look different from if you've seen pictures you know talking to

you've seen pictures you know talking to whoever listening the um pictures of the whoever listening the um pictures of the the carbon panel heaters are the common the carbon panel heaters are the common type heaters and they're the big black type heaters and they're the big black panels covering the whole walls um our panels covering the whole walls um our heaters are high-grade metal so it's a heaters are high-grade metal so it's a stainless steel rod with a polished stainless steel rod with a polished aluminum metal backing so the polished aluminum metal backing so the polished aluminum that is um nearly a perfect aluminum that is um nearly a perfect reflector of infrared so all of the reflector of infrared so all of the infrared then becomes directed towards infrared then becomes directed towards you whereas with other heaters you lose you whereas with other heaters you lose half out the back it goes in all half out the back it goes in all directions um so that doubles the amount directions um so that doubles the amount of infrared and they're more they're of infrared and they're more they're putting out more to begin with because putting out more to begin with because they run at higher temperatures than the they run at higher temperatures than the carbon heaters so they're putting out so carbon heaters so they're putting out so you're getting a lot more infrared so you're getting a lot more infrared so going back to the heating mechanisms you going back to the heating mechanisms you know the air temperature doesn't measure know the air temperature doesn't measure um the amount of infrared you're getting um the amount of infrared you're getting so um and it it's it's confusing and so um and it it's it's confusing and it's hard because you can't see it so it's hard because you can't see it so how do you know so we did um actually a how do you know so we did um actually a calorimetry experiment we put we uh two calorimetry experiment we put we uh two beakers of water we put a beaker of beakers of water we put a beaker of water in front of our heater at 130

water in front of our heater at 130 degrees or set it to 130 degrees and degrees or set it to 130 degrees and then we put a beaker of the same then we put a beaker of the same temperature water in front of a temperature water in front of a competitor sauna with the carbon heaters competitor sauna with the carbon heaters the same temperature um and ours heated the same temperature um and ours heated up 34% faster so that's what it's doing up 34% faster so that's what it's doing to your body you know it Heats it to your body you know it Heats it absorbs the water molecules in our cells absorbs the water molecules in our cells and heats them and then you know they and heats them and then you know they move throughout our body so that's how move throughout our body so that's how it warms us so that's what it's doing to it warms us so that's what it's doing to US 34 4% faster rate of Rise you know US 34 4% faster rate of Rise you know potentially which you know the rate of potentially which you know the rate of Rise is a factor in heat shock protein Rise is a factor in heat shock protein Activation so yeah fantastic yeah yeah Activation so yeah fantastic yeah yeah um anything else you'd like to add um anything else you'd like to add before we wrap up before we wrap up um no it covered a lot yeah we covered a um no it covered a lot yeah we covered a lot so we'd love to we love answering lot so we'd love to we love answering questions like I said we're very uh questions like I said we're very uh we're very science based we're very um we're very science based we're very um you know I'm kind of the the researcher you know I'm kind of the the researcher of us but every our my colleagues know of us but every our my colleagues know as much as I do they're all excellent um

as much as I do they're all excellent um people comment on that all the time like people comment on that all the time like you know so much and um we're we're a you know so much and um we're we're a sciency company cool so just kind of a sciency company cool so just kind of a recap like you know um you're just gonna recap like you know um you're just gonna get more benefit out of an infrared than get more benefit out of an infrared than you're gonna get you're gonna get adal and you're gonna get much more a adal and you're gonna get much more a much better infrared from Hightech than much better infrared from Hightech than you're going to get from competitors you're going to get from competitors yeah um from different things whether yeah um from different things whether it's you know um emfs or you know um it's you know um emfs or you know um you're G to get talk less toxins you're you're G to get talk less toxins you're going to get higher efficiency so lower going to get higher efficiency so lower power you're going to get more heat power you're going to get more heat output um you know and just ease of use output um you know and just ease of use and they're going to last longer I mean and they're going to last longer I mean you they're really lowend you know are you they're really lowend you know are only going to last a few years or so only going to last a few years or so these you know 25 years and still going these you know 25 years and still going um and yeah we had somebody actually who um and yeah we had somebody actually who said they bought a Costco sauna just one said they bought a Costco sauna just one of the low ends and they couple years of the low ends and they couple years ago but I'll never forget it he said he ago but I'll never forget it he said he stucked inside it and his foot went stucked inside it and his foot went right through the floor so I mean you right through the floor so I mean you can get there's a big range out there can get there's a big range out there quality yeah you get what you pay for quality yeah you get what you pay for yeah for sure um so all right you get

yeah for sure um so all right you get better Court body temperature rise in a better Court body temperature rise in a shorter period of shorter period of time you get less toxins you get less time you get less toxins you get less EMF you get release of heat shock EMF you get release of heat shock proteins you can do detoxification you proteins you can do detoxification you get cardiovascular benefits you get get cardiovascular benefits you get mental benefits whether with mental benefits whether with mood you get oh weight loss yeah we mood you get oh weight loss yeah we didn't talk about weight loss real real didn't talk about weight loss real real quick a little bit about that calorie my has one of my favorite studies I did with mice and heat shock proteins and um with mice and heat shock proteins and um so it activates mitochondria which and so it activates mitochondria which and that's kind of a um you know thing that that's kind of a um you know thing that the near infrared does it in a different the near infrared does it in a different way but not as globally but people way but not as globally but people always talk about that with the near always talk about that with the near infrared but um the far infared um the infrared but um the far infared um the heat act um so they did an experiment heat act um so they did an experiment one of my favorite experiments two one of my favorite experiments two groups of mice one group they ran on groups of mice one group they ran on treadmills for 30 minutes five times a treadmills for 30 minutes five times a week for three weeks the other group of week for three weeks the other group of mice they put in little mous saas for mice they put in little mous saas for the same amount of time that 30 minutes

the same amount of time that 30 minutes five times a week for three weeks they five times a week for three weeks they both groups lost the same amount of body both groups lost the same amount of body fat so whether running on a treadmill or fat so whether running on a treadmill or sitting in a sauna just chilling um they sitting in a sauna just chilling um they both you know lost about up to 40% of both you know lost about up to 40% of their total body their total fat Mass um their total body their total fat Mass um they had another group that did both so they had another group that did both so they exercised and Saed they lost 70% they exercised and Saed they lost 70% 72% so almost double so it you know 72% so almost double so it you know enhances the benefits of EX excise and enhances the benefits of EX excise and yeah the way that um you know people yeah the way that um you know people talk about oh you're you're burning a th talk about oh you're you're burning a th calories in a sauna session I don't know calories in a sauna session I don't know if that's true I've never seen evidence if that's true I've never seen evidence to that but what it does is it increases to that but what it does is it increases the mitochondria in throughout your body the mitochondria in throughout your body and your muscles and that increases your and your muscles and that increases your basil metabolic rate so you're burning basil metabolic rate so you're burning more calories in another study they did more calories in another study they did with mice they showed up to 50% more with mice they showed up to 50% more mitochondria in these mice that had high mitochondria in these mice that had high heat chock proteins and they were heat chock proteins and they were burning almost twice as much calories as burning almost twice as much calories as as the uh control mice so that's super as the uh control mice so that's super impressive because you know we're trying

impressive because you know we're trying to control sugars as much as we can to control sugars as much as we can because of Aging um and if you're losing because of Aging um and if you're losing fat you're gonna increase insulin fat you're gonna increase insulin sensitivity lots of you know and you sensitivity lots of you know and you know reducing that fat mass is just know reducing that fat mass is just really important and now we're measuring really important and now we're measuring mitochondria with a newer test called mitochondria with a newer test called the me screen um Dr HL Patel out of the me screen um Dr HL Patel out of UCSD um but he he created this test um UCSD um but he he created this test um from a grant from H NASA so before we from a grant from H NASA so before we used to have to do muscle biopsy right used to have to do muscle biopsy right to look at mitochondrial Health which we to look at mitochondrial Health which we only did in very rare cases like mus you only did in very rare cases like mus you know disty things like that right know disty things like that right Olympians yeah right uh but now we have Olympians yeah right uh but now we have access to this test for everyone okay access to this test for everyone okay and so uh I get these tests back and and so uh I get these tests back and I'll tell people what they can kind of I'll tell people what they can kind of do and now we have evidence that getting do and now we have evidence that getting in the sauna is gonna also help this so in the sauna is gonna also help this so um what's really impressive to me is um what's really impressive to me is every s thing that I'm looking at as far every s thing that I'm looking at as far as longevity and chronic Health you know

as longevity and chronic Health you know or like optimization of Health whether or like optimization of Health whether it's mitochondria you know whether it's it's mitochondria you know whether it's you know your omix and all these types you know your omix and all these types of things the sauna helps pretty much of things the sauna helps pretty much everything Isn't that cool it's and you everything Isn't that cool it's and you know it's because these the H proteins I know it's because these the H proteins I love them they're in every cell so um love them they're in every cell so um you know it's it's going to help every you know it's it's going to help every system yeah it's it's great um but yeah system yeah it's it's great um but yeah I haven't practiced in like eight years I haven't practiced in like eight years or something so I'm not up to date on or something so I'm not up to date on all the all the latest tests but that's all the all the latest tests but that's cool right and so you know um yeah you cool right and so you know um yeah you know I think that you know there's so know I think that you know there's so many so many things like little case many so many things like little case studies that we could run through um do studies that we could run through um do in the future and um I'd love to like in the future and um I'd love to like create some studies with you that we create some studies with you that we could do you know I I think that one of could do you know I I think that one of the cool things that I'd love to do the cool things that I'd love to do would be like um to do our own core body would be like um to do our own core body temperature tests yeah that's yeah we temperature tests yeah that's yeah we did that yeah tell me about your own did that yeah tell me about your own core body temperature tests a little bit core body temperature tests a little bit did that everyone in our in our company did that everyone in our in our company did it for you know some more than more

did it for you know some more than more than others probably but um we have the than others probably but um we have the SAA um me and our our sales team um so SAA um me and our our sales team um so we did it every five minutes for 30 we did it every five minutes for 30 minutes and then we were doing 45 minutes and then we were doing 45 minutes every five minutes now I'll say minutes every five minutes now I'll say the mine was a little bit of an outlier the mine was a little bit of an outlier which I always say is very typical for which I always say is very typical for me but um but typically it would um I me but um but typically it would um I mean it always you know increased um it mean it always you know increased um it there was overall a very significant there was overall a very significant statistically significant and you know statistically significant and you know numerically significant increase in numerically significant increase in temperature and based on the research temperature and based on the research more than sufficient to activate heat more than sufficient to activate heat shop proteins is kind of the main you shop proteins is kind of the main you know thing we were looking for and that know thing we were looking for and that was the conclusion you know I could give was the conclusion you know I could give you uh Eric has all the data we could you uh Eric has all the data we could probably get some for you if you're probably get some for you if you're right interested um I know you don't right interested um I know you don't have all the data in front of you but have all the data in front of you but were you were you noticing significant were you were you noticing significant Rise by 20 minutes yeah yeah Rise by 20 minutes yeah yeah yeah and then less and less the more you

yeah and then less and less the more you used it which is one it's a thing about used it which is one it's a thing about umil so when you're acclimated to the umil so when you're acclimated to the heat um there's several you know heat um there's several you know physiologic changes um one is you get physiologic changes um one is you get better at cooling yourself so you start better at cooling yourself so you start sweating sooner you sweat more um I sweating sooner you sweat more um I would get to the point where I was just would get to the point where I was just like drenched you know I would take off like drenched you know I would take off my tank top and ring it out it was just my tank top and ring it out it was just so yeah um yes you sweat more um you so yeah um yes you sweat more um you cool yourself more you have a lower cool yourself more you have a lower resting core temperature and your core resting core temperature and your core temperature goes up less and you know I temperature goes up less and you know I definitely noticed that when we're using definitely noticed that when we're using it you know daily you start getting it you know daily you start getting really acclimated um you have increas um really acclimated um you have increas um increased plasma volume with heat increased plasma volume with heat acclimation with blood volume um and a acclimation with blood volume um and a better sodium balance so you sweat less better sodium balance so you sweat less less water is that right yeah so yeah less water is that right yeah so yeah your sweat becomes um has more higher your sweat becomes um has more higher sodium concentration oh that's great sodium concentration oh that's great yeah you get better at you know yeah you get better at you know maintaining hydration and and body maintaining hydration and and body temperature basically it's great for temperature basically it's great for sports you know there's all kinds of

sports you know there's all kinds of research for for athletes you um for research for for athletes you um for that athletes use and participate in for that athletes use and participate in for you know pro athletes are always the you know pro athletes are always the ultimate State being heat acclimated ultimate State being heat acclimated right maybe that's the last thing we right maybe that's the last thing we talk about how about talk about um talk about how about talk about um athletic athletic recovery yeah there's so many cool recovery yeah there's so many cool Fitness studies Fitness studies um yeah I mean they've done there's um yeah I mean they've done there's actually several human studies which a actually several human studies which a lot of the studies you know the really lot of the studies you know the really cool ones around mice but some human cool ones around mice but some human studies showing um sauna before and and studies showing um sauna before and and after exercise um both significantly after exercise um both significantly help your muscles recover um which again help your muscles recover um which again these heat shock proteins so when you these heat shock proteins so when you exercise you know part of how you get exercise you know part of how you get stronger is you're tearing your proteins stronger is you're tearing your proteins up you know it is like Aus thing um so up you know it is like Aus thing um so these heat shock proteins are really these heat shock proteins are really their job is to come in and build like their job is to come in and build like you said fold the proteins which is part you said fold the proteins which is part of making proteins so um yeah recover of making proteins so um yeah recover faster um I mean all kinds of stuff with faster um I mean all kinds of stuff with Fitness they increase endurance um you

Fitness they increase endurance um you know which probably goes along with the know which probably goes along with the mitochondria that's probably related mitochondria that's probably related there um there is evidence that increase there um there is evidence that increase muscle strength and protein content muscle strength and protein content without even exercising just with the without even exercising just with the SAA um SAA um incredibly so much fantastic stuff it's incredibly so much fantastic stuff it's stuff with um with atrophy and the L stuff with um with atrophy and the L really too um you really too um you know about that yeah it can prevent know about that yeah it can prevent disuse atrophy so you know that's one of disuse atrophy so you know that's one of the biggest causes of morbidity mortal the biggest causes of morbidity mortal mortality in the elderly is they lose so mortality in the elderly is they lose so much muscle mass they're at risk for much muscle mass they're at risk for Falls um risk for disability um and the Falls um risk for disability um and the sauna will help maintain the muscle mass sauna will help maintain the muscle mass they've done studies on that or with an they've done studies on that or with an injury you know Li immobilization with injury you know Li immobilization with an injury um the will prevent I mean it an injury um the will prevent I mean it was significant it was something I don't was significant it was something I don't without having it in front of me I don't without having it in front of me I don't want to say but it was something like want to say but it was something like like 20 30% is a significant amount that like 20 30% is a significant amount that it wow that's it wow that's fantastic you know because you know with fantastic you know because you know with the patients that are older it's very the patients that are older it's very hard for me to get them to do a good

hard for me to get them to do a good exercise program you know especially um exercise program you know especially um if they're limited so you know knowing if they're limited so you know knowing that they sitting in sauna is easy yeah that they sitting in sauna is easy yeah it is it's great right and then that it is it's great right and then that could promote them to start moving could promote them to start moving because they feel better and they're because they feel better and they're starting to you know gain some mass and starting to you know gain some mass and you know reverse some of this atrophy you know reverse some of this atrophy absolutely plus feeling better from all absolutely plus feeling better from all the endorphins and I can I can find the the endorphins and I can I can find the the actual numbers but they're the actual numbers but they're significant yeah yeah I mean significant yeah yeah I mean fantastic it mentally sharper oh I was fantastic it mentally sharper oh I was gonna say increases bdnf is one way too gonna say increases bdnf is one way too it helps mental health I thought of that it helps mental health I thought of that afterwards and and just you know afterwards and and just you know cognitive BD bdnf is a you know the cognitive BD bdnf is a you know the nerve you know the nerve growth factor nerve you know the nerve growth factor which um is necessary for Learning and which um is necessary for Learning and yeah you know but I don't know if you're yeah you know but I don't know if you're listener still but um yeah listener still but um yeah yeah if you guys uh out there so brain yeah if you guys uh out there so brain derived neurotropic Factor it helps you derived neurotropic Factor it helps you make Nur new con Connections in your make Nur new con Connections in your brain as well as repair some of the brain as well as repair some of the neurons so um it helps you you know

neurons so um it helps you you know learn as you get older it helps you learn as you get older it helps you repair things so um it's one of the you repair things so um it's one of the you know main things that we're focused on know main things that we're focused on for longevity and for optimization yeah for longevity and for optimization yeah so yeah I actually wrote a little paper so yeah I actually wrote a little paper um on that and have some ref so if you um on that and have some ref so if you want some references if you're want some references if you're interested I interested I can awesome paper Sav I think we'll put can awesome paper Sav I think we'll put together a little white paper based on together a little white paper based on all this stuff that uh you know everyone all this stuff that uh you know everyone can read and follow up on I know they can read and follow up on I know they can go to high-tech Health Website and can go to high-tech Health Website and they can find information that's some they can find information that's some good stuff on the website too yeah yeah good stuff on the website too yeah yeah um and they can obviously order their um and they can obviously order their sauna there sauna there yep on the phones give me a call yeah it yep on the phones give me a call yeah it doesn't take long for it to be shipped doesn't take long for it to be shipped to your house it comes pretty easy to your house it comes pretty easy they're all in stock except for the T they're all in stock except for the T the three the smart sauna in the three the three the smart sauna in the three person hasn't come in yet but um person hasn't come in yet but um generally yeah you'll have it in about a generally yeah you'll have it in about a week if your order stuck one quick thing week if your order stuck one quick thing I just thought of um there are some

I just thought of um there are some women that tell me they can't sweat you women that tell me they can't sweat you know I hear that um I think it's I'm a know I hear that um I think it's I'm a little skeptical of that little skeptical of that statement a lot of times you sweat statement a lot of times you sweat especially if you're in a dry climate especially if you're in a dry climate and you don't really notice it and you don't really notice it necessarily because it necessarily because it evaporates you know and I always say you evaporates you know and I always say you know well a couple things one is the know well a couple things one is the more you use it the more you'll sweat so more you use it the more you'll sweat so I tell everyone if you really are using I tell everyone if you really are using it every day you're going to start it every day you're going to start noticing a sweat the other thing I say noticing a sweat the other thing I say if they don't believe me and they incist if they don't believe me and they incist they don't sweat you're still I mean you they don't sweat you're still I mean you don't need to sweat for the health for don't need to sweat for the health for the benefits you know even even the the benefits you know even even the detoxing you're still you know detoxing you're still you know increasing your resistance to them increasing your resistance to them you're still eliminating through your you're still eliminating through your urine and your stool and you're urine and your stool and you're breathing so you're still detoxing breathing so you're still detoxing you're still and you're still getting you're still and you're still getting all the benefits the heat shock proteins all the benefits the heat shock proteins even if you swear up and down that you even if you swear up and down that you do not sweat awesome oh so H thank you so much for coming

coming on these are some really amazing things on these are some really amazing things to learn uh it's almost too much to to learn uh it's almost too much to recap yeah right but basically you're recap yeah right but basically you're going to benefit in every way possible going to benefit in every way possible um try to get into the sauna multiple um try to get into the sauna multiple times per week definitely buy your own times per week definitely buy your own sauna because it's you know one you're sauna because it's you know one you're not if you go to the sauna at the gym not if you go to the sauna at the gym it's just not going to be as good yeah it's just not going to be as good yeah right and um you know you won't be able right and um you know you won't be able to use it as often it's so hard to use to use it as often it's so hard to use it and if you use it before going to bed it and if you use it before going to bed you're sleep a lot you're sleep a lot better um so so many benefits there tell better um so so many benefits there tell me a little bit about diabetes Well I me a little bit about diabetes Well I it's not something I would want to it's not something I would want to review it if I was good to but I know I review it if I was good to but I know I did just kind of started digging into it did just kind of started digging into it and it's just really cool stuff you know and it's just really cool stuff you know I mean um and I think the main way that I mean um and I think the main way that um it increases it's increases insulin um it increases it's increases insulin sensitivity is just inflammation you sensitivity is just inflammation you know that's oh sure know that's oh sure diabetes it seems like it's mainly a

diabetes it seems like it's mainly a disease of inflammation like so many disease of inflammation like so many other things said eventually I think other things said eventually I think we're gonna figure out that every that's we're gonna figure out that every that's everything it's just a disease of everything it's just a disease of inflammation basically but yeah H TR inflammation basically but yeah H TR proteins they directly um you know maybe proteins they directly um you know maybe like one step away from the insulin like one step away from the insulin receptor but they um you know increase receptor but they um you know increase insulin sensitivity significantly just insulin sensitivity significantly just almost directly it's like they inhibit almost directly it's like they inhibit the the Inhibitors yeah it's cool stuff such Inhibitors yeah it's cool stuff such good stuff yeah I think I need to use my good stuff yeah I think I need to use my Sona more I Sona more I know get in right now right I mean I try know get in right now right I mean I try to get in a few times a week but like to get in a few times a week but like have you you you know of any like have you you you know of any like negative effects of doing it daily no negative effects of doing it daily no yeah so you could do it yeah although yeah so you could do it yeah although you might not need to I mean not you might not need to I mean not negative effects um right I know that negative effects um right I know that when I was researching heat acclamation when I was researching heat acclamation they say it doesn't seem to have an they say it doesn't seem to have an advantage to use it more than daily not advantage to use it more than daily not that you would want to use it more than that you would want to use it more than daily but you know there is kind of a daily but you know there is kind of a point where you're not doing adding much

point where you're not doing adding much so you know you're not less efficient so you know you're not less efficient but no doubt no negative though where but no doubt no negative though where would you say that comes like you know would you say that comes like you know like we we tell people like even if you like we we tell people like even if you strength train once a week work really strength train once a week work really well if you're twice a week you get a well if you're twice a week you get a lot better greater benefit yeah as you lot better greater benefit yeah as you increase you start to decrease the increase you start to decrease the benefit well I mean we yeah we did it benefit well I mean we yeah we did it you know I do a lot of the back research you know I do a lot of the back research for this smart son and we looked at for this smart son and we looked at everything we could find on heat everything we could find on heat acclamation um and there you know I mean acclamation um and there you know I mean you get the full benefits with heat you get the full benefits with heat acclamation because you're heat chucked acclamation because you're heat chucked proteins they can be up to three times proteins they can be up to three times the normal Baseline level um when you're the normal Baseline level um when you're acclimated so um but you know and you're acclimated so um but you know and you're not going to get acclimated using it not going to get acclimated using it once a week but you still get benefits once a week but you still get benefits you know we we talk about this so you're you know we we talk about this so you're still getting that one boost in heat CH still getting that one boost in heat CH prots you're still getting the Endorphin prots you're still getting the Endorphin boost you know you're still getting boost you know you're still getting you're still getting benefits but um you're still getting benefits but um with that to get with that to get you know to achieve the acclamation I you know to achieve the acclamation I mean there's all kinds of stuff there's

mean there's all kinds of stuff there's not like an absolute answer of course not like an absolute answer of course all these studies find slightly all these studies find slightly different things but it's much faster to different things but it's much faster to use it daily so if you're using it daily use it daily so if you're using it daily you can um get there in about a week if you can um get there in about a week if you're using it every third every two to you're using it every third every two to three days it can take up to a month so three days it can take up to a month so it's a lot faster to a daily once you're it's a lot faster to a daily once you're acclimated it looks like you can acclimated it looks like you can maintain that using it about every two maintain that using it about every two that you've every every three days even that you've every every three days even um so we say usually shoot for we um so we say usually shoot for we usually say shoot for three times a week usually say shoot for three times a week because that kind of puts you in that because that kind of puts you in that maintenance phase and ideally you know maintenance phase and ideally you know if you get well this is what the smart if you get well this is what the smart Sona does is it like takes you right Sona does is it like takes you right right through this takes all yeah takes right through this takes all yeah takes all that guess yeah I mean you can do it all that guess yeah I mean you can do it without that of course um but yeah so I without that of course um but yeah so I guess an ideal way to do it would be to guess an ideal way to do it would be to use it daily for you know a couple weeks use it daily for you know a couple weeks to get really fully acclimated and then to get really fully acclimated and then maintain that within every other day maintain that within every other day three times a week would be three times a week would be ideal yeah I never do things ideally

ideal yeah I never do things ideally though though so it's such great information this is so it's such great information this is great why don't you give us a little great why don't you give us a little information on you know how they can get information on you know how they can get in touch with Hightech and how they can in touch with Hightech and how they can order and all that yeah absolutely um order and all that yeah absolutely um you know give us a call we're all on the you know give us a call we're all on the phones there's um four of us like I said phones there's um four of us like I said I I do all the research but these guys I I do all the research but these guys know it as much as almost as much as I know it as much as almost as much as I do they're they're all great really do they're they're all great really knowledgeable um really helpful knowledgeable um really helpful um I should have put our number our um I should have put our number our website Hightech health.com so that's website Hightech health.com so that's easy to remember check out our website easy to remember check out our website um our main phone number is uh 303 413 um our main phone number is uh 303 413 8500 um is our main number so yeah we 8500 um is our main number so yeah we would love to talk to you we love would love to talk to you we love telling we love talking about our saas telling we love talking about our saas awesome well thanks again and uh we look awesome well thanks again and uh we look forward to maybe having you on again and forward to maybe having you on again and we can go over some other research love we can go over some other research love to there's there's lots more to talk to there's there's lots more to talk about all right have a wonderful day about all right have a wonderful day thanks for your time thanks you too

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Choosing A Cleaner Sauna Environment

A sauna built for recovery should reduce avoidable exposures. Dr. Greenfield points to a wide quality range across infrared sauna products, from inexpensive blankets and cabinets to higher-end systems designed with stricter material and electrical standards. The difference is not only comfort. It affects the environment you sit in, breathe in, and return to repeatedly.

EMF concerns become more relevant in sauna because of proximity. Any electrical appliance emits electromagnetic fields, but in a sauna you sit close to high-powered heaters for a focused period of time. Dr. Greenfield emphasizes that both electric fields and magnetic fields matter. A low number for one does not answer the question for both.

What matters is how much heat is being transferred to us.

This is where careful evaluation becomes part of the ritual. Some companies reduce magnetic fields and speak only to that measure, leaving electric fields unaddressed. A more complete standard looks at both components. When you invest in a sanctuary for health, the invisible environment deserves the same attention as the visible design.

Materials matter just as much. Heat changes how a surface behaves, and heated materials can release compounds into the air. Dr. Greenfield calls attention to plywood, glues, and fragrant woods as sources of off-gassing. A sauna intended for detoxification should not add what the body is working to clear.

Plywood is a particular concern because it depends on adhesives, and Dr. Greenfield notes that it can off-gas formaldehyde, especially when heated. Cedar and redwood carry a different issue. Their scent is part of what many people enjoy, but that scent comes from compounds released by the wood.

Cedar repels insects and mold because it carries natural compounds that are irritating to smaller organisms. For sensitive people, those same aromatic compounds can become a problem over time. Dr. Greenfield describes cedar as a potential lung irritant and connects it with headaches and developing sensitivities. A pleasant smell is not always a cleaner choice.

Lower-odor woods offer a quieter path. Poplar has virtually no odor, and hemlock has a mild scent while remaining a practical option. The principle is simple and useful: less smell often means less off-gassing. In a sauna, restraint is not aesthetic alone. It is part of the protocol.

Far Infrared, Near Infrared, And Temperature Myths

Near infrared has a different evidence profile than far infrared sauna. Dr. Greenfield acknowledges that near infrared can have benefits when delivered through LEDs or lasers to specific areas of the body in specific doses. That is targeted light therapy. It is not the same as sitting in a sauna lined with near infrared emitters.

Her concern is not that near infrared has no use. Her concern is context, dose, and evidence. She states that near infrared has not been studied in sauna use in the way far infrared has. When a technology moves from targeted application to whole-session exposure, the safety question changes.

The source also raises hormesis in relation to near infrared. Hormesis means a small stress can prompt a useful adaptation, while excessive stress can damage cells; the goal is resilience, not strain for its own sake. Dr. Greenfield notes concerns around cellular damage, skin aging, and cataract formation with too much exposure. Precision protects the ritual.

Temperature creates another common misunderstanding. Dr. Greenfield describes far infrared human sauna studies commonly operating from about 123 degrees up to 140 degrees. She says she has not seen human infrared sauna studies above 140 degrees, even across a large collection of far infrared sauna research. The benefits she discusses come from that measured range.

This challenges the impulse to chase maximum heat. In traditional sauna, very high air temperature can be part of the method because air is the main heat carrier. In infrared sauna, radiant heat changes the equation. The body can receive meaningful heat at a lower air temperature because the heat transfers more directly.

Core temperature is the more useful marker. Dr. Greenfield and the interviewer discuss studies showing that 15 minutes at 140 degrees in an infrared sauna can raise core body temperature enough to support the desired heat response. The same amount of time in a traditional sauna may not create the same rise. The effect follows heat transfer, not thermostat pride.

A refined protocol asks a better question than how hot you can tolerate. It asks what exposure produces the adaptation you want while respecting the body. More is not mastery. Mastery is knowing the dose that builds recovery, clarity, and steadier resilience.

Heat Shock Proteins, Acclimation, And Detox

Raising core temperature activates heat shock proteins, and this mechanism anchors much of the sauna conversation in the interview. Heat shock proteins help quality-control other proteins in the body by identifying damage and supporting repair. In plain terms, they help tissues recover, protect cells under stress, and build resilience as the body ages.

All of the benefits are coming from that temperature range.

Dr. Greenfield describes heat as one of the strongest ways to trigger heat shock proteins, though other stresses can activate them as well. The benefit is not abstract. When these proteins rise, the body becomes better equipped to repair, protect, and maintain function. Recovery becomes a cellular practice, not only a feeling after the session.

Consistency changes the arc of adaptation. The discussion turns to heat acclimation, a state in which heat shock proteins can remain elevated at baseline rather than rising and falling only after each session. That steadier adaptation supports performance, recovery, and greater ease in the heat. The body learns the ritual.

The interview also connects sauna with detoxification through sweat. Dr. Greenfield references blood, urine, and sweat studies in which certain toxins appeared in higher concentrations in sweat than in blood. That pattern suggests sweating can help the body actively excrete substances it needs to remove. Detoxification becomes more credible when the sauna environment stays clean.

This is why the details return: low EMF design, solid wood, low-odor materials, and thoughtful temperature. A detox protocol asks the body to release. It should also protect the body from unnecessary inputs. The sanctuary has to support the work, not complicate it.

Regular sauna use belongs with hydration, minerals, and recovery-aware pacing. Sweat carries water and electrolytes out of the body, so replenishment is part of the protocol. The aim is not depletion. The aim is equilibrium: enough heat to stimulate adaptation, enough support to restore balance.

Infrared sauna is most powerful when it is deliberate. Far infrared heat, cleaner construction, measured temperatures, and consistent practice create a framework the body can use. You do not need excess to create change. You need precision, repetition, and a space designed for resilience.

Many of these toxins are present in much higher concentrations in the sweat than they are even in the blood.

Wim's Wise Words

A second take, from someone who's lived it.

If you take one thing from this, let it be this: infrared sauna is not a contest of heat. It is a practice of dose.

I see too many people buy the hottest box they can find, sit in it until they feel punished, then call that discipline. That is not mastery. The better question is simpler: did the session leave you clearer, steadier, and better recovered tomorrow?

For most bodies, the useful work starts well before the practice becomes dramatic. Begin with a temperature you can respect. Fifteen to twenty minutes is enough to learn your response. You should sweat. Your breathing should stay composed. When you step out, you should feel restored, not emptied.

Where I’d Start

I would choose far infrared first, in a clean sauna, with low-odor materials and clear EMF standards. Not because it sounds more advanced. Because the evidence, the experience, and the margin for consistency all point in the same direction.

If you are choosing equipment, do not let fragrance sell you. A strong cedar smell can feel traditional, but heat changes the conversation. In a recovery sanctuary, less scent is often the more deliberate choice. I would rather have quiet wood, clean air, and a session I can repeat three or four times a week than a beautiful cabin that asks my body to filter more than it needs to.

The same goes for near infrared. I am not against light. I am against confusing targeted light work with whole-body sauna exposure. They are different tools. If you want a wider view of how infrared fits into recovery, read Infrared Sauna, Explained and keep that distinction clear.

My own preference is evening heat. Not late enough to crowd sleep, but late enough to close the day. A measured sauna session does what an evening drink pretends to do: it draws a line, lowers the noise, and asks the nervous system to come back into balance. I hydrate before, add minerals after, and leave my phone outside. The stillness is part of the protocol.

None of this replaces sleep, strength work, sunlight, protein, or the ordinary discipline of recovery. Sauna amplifies a foundation. It does not rescue a broken one.

So keep it precise. Choose clean construction. Start lower than your ego wants. Build repetition before intensity. The body adapts best when it trusts the signal.