Sauna vs Infrared Sauna: Heat, Light, and Recovery | Vitruvian

Video·Dr. Wendy Myers·10 min read·September 10, 2020

A practical look at how infrared sauna, ozone, and red light therapy can be layered into one detox-focused protocol for oxygenation, circulation, mitochondrial support, and recovery.

Why Detox Support Starts With the Terrain

Detox support begins with the condition of the body, not with a single symptom. Robby Besner’s path into infrared technology began at home, after his daughter Julia was diagnosed with chronic Lyme disease more than 20 years ago. Her daily reality was marked by toxicity, inflammation, and pain. Those three signals became the starting point for a deeper search.

That search moved beyond conventional appointments and into the space where health is lived every day. A practitioner can guide the protocol, but the body rebuilds through repeated choices at home. Food, rest, light, heat, movement, and recovery become part of the terrain. The work becomes less about chasing relief and more about restoring resilience.

Besner focused first on toxicity because it offered a clear point of entry. The body already has filtration systems: the liver, kidneys, bowel, pancreas, and related pathways all help process what we breathe, drink, eat, and absorb. In modern life, that burden can grow faster than those systems can comfortably clear it. When the load rises, the whole system loses efficiency.

This is why sweating holds such practical value. Sweat gives the body another route to release what it no longer needs. In the source conversation, infrared sauna is framed as one of the most efficient ways to support that route because it helps the body generate heat and perspiration from within. The benefit is simple: you create a repeatable ritual for release.

The larger insight is not that every concern has one cause. It is that the internal environment matters. When the terrain is congested, recovery feels heavier. When the terrain is supported, the body has more room to respond. Detox, in this frame, is not punishment or deprivation. It is a deliberate return to balance.

Besner’s early devices were designed for Julia, then adopted by doctors who saw the results she was experiencing. That origin matters. The technology was not introduced as a luxury object, but as a practical support for a family navigating a complex health challenge. Over time, the mission widened from one household to a broader platform for natural recovery.

At Contrast Collective, we view that shift as essential. The best wellness protocols do not simply add more inputs. They help the body remember how to regulate, clear, repair, and adapt. Detox support starts with the terrain because the terrain determines how well everything else can work.

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hello everyone i'm wendy myers of myersdetox.com myersdetox.com welcome to the meyer's detox podcast welcome to the meyer's detox podcast today we have my really good friend today we have my really good friend robbie besner on the show robbie besner on the show talking about how and why to stack talking about how and why to stack infrared saunas ozone and infrared saunas ozone and red light therapy it's a super super red light therapy it's a super super interesting show interesting show and we're going to talk about all the and we're going to talk about all the benefits of infrared saunas benefits of infrared saunas and why you want to use them to detox and why you want to use them to detox and how they work exactly what are they and how they work exactly what are they doing doing exactly to detox you why adding ozone exactly to detox you why adding ozone can help to oxygenate your tissues can help to oxygenate your tissues and how the heat from the sauna can help and how the heat from the sauna can help you absorb the ozone you absorb the ozone 10 times better than without the heat 10 times better than without the heat and we'll talk about all the benefits of and we'll talk about all the benefits of ozone why so many people ozone why so many people are oxygen deficient in their tissues

are oxygen deficient in their tissues today today and we'll also talk about red light and we'll also talk about red light therapy how that's really therapy how that's really powerful to reduce inflammation powerful to reduce inflammation and charge up your mitochondria your and charge up your mitochondria your mitochondria work mitochondria work by light a lot of people don't get by light a lot of people don't get a light therapy from the sun whether a light therapy from the sun whether it's just it's just out of season or they just don't see out of season or they just don't see much sunlight much sunlight and a lot of people's health suffers as and a lot of people's health suffers as a result of that a result of that and we'll also talk about the benefits and we'll also talk about the benefits of stacking of stacking all three of these really beneficial all three of these really beneficial therapies together therapies together so you can do them at the same time so you can do them at the same time almost doing like a almost doing like a detox training circuit but you're doing detox training circuit but you're doing them all at the same time to save money them all at the same time to save money and help to potentiate each other and and help to potentiate each other and make make all each modality more effective by all each modality more effective by using them together so more on that using them together so more on that on the show today and i know you guys on the show today and i know you guys listening are really concerned about

listening are really concerned about your heavy metal load in your body or your heavy metal load in your body or toxin load in your body toxin load in your body and how that's affecting your health so and how that's affecting your health so i created a i created a just a quiz that you can take it will just a quiz that you can take it will take you a couple minutes to take it take you a couple minutes to take it at heavymetalsquiz.com at heavymetalsquiz.com and after you take that quiz you get a and after you take that quiz you get a free video series that answers all of free video series that answers all of your most frequently asked questions your most frequently asked questions about what type of toxins you see on about what type of toxins you see on heavy metals tests what's the heavy metals tests what's the what's the best test to take for heavy what's the best test to take for heavy metals metals what uh what are the what are the what uh what are the what are the supplements that you should take uh supplements that you should take uh that are ideal for detoxing where do you that are ideal for detoxing where do you get started get started when it comes to detoxification how long when it comes to detoxification how long does it take does it take all these questions that so many all these questions that so many beginners have beginners have you'll learn in this free video series you'll learn in this free video series after taking the quiz after taking the quiz at heavymetalsquiz.com our guest today at heavymetalsquiz.com our guest today robbie besner robbie besner is a signee and ceo of the is a signee and ceo of the and chief science officer of their

and chief science officer of their assage.com assage.com and he's always been an advocate of and he's always been an advocate of natural natural health and wellness graduating from the health and wellness graduating from the boston boston from boston university in pre-med from boston university in pre-med engineering engineering psychology and business and continued on psychology and business and continued on to post graduate work to post graduate work at case western medical school and at case western medical school and holistic holistic medicine after many years of illness mr medicine after many years of illness mr besner's daughter besner's daughter was diagnosed with lyme disease this was diagnosed with lyme disease this began his mission to find began his mission to find alternative holistic and homeopathic alternative holistic and homeopathic avenues avenues of treatment he discovered the natural of treatment he discovered the natural healing effects of healing effects of infrared frequencies and began infrared frequencies and began developing specialized devices and developing specialized devices and applications applications to help his daughter with her health to help his daughter with her health challenges when he saw the positive challenges when he saw the positive results he felt compelled results he felt compelled to share what he had discovered and to share what he had discovered and formed therisage.com formed therisage.com recognized as the leader in integrated recognized as the leader in integrated infrared infrared technology therasaj has built a technology therasaj has built a reputation with the healthcare community reputation with the healthcare community and the mainstream public

and the mainstream public by educating and creating special by educating and creating special cutting edge cutting edge applications and protocols a professor applications and protocols a professor of the world federation of the world federation of chinese medicine societies annual of chinese medicine societies annual contributor contributor at the world committee on infrared a at the world committee on infrared a member of the education committee member of the education committee of the hippocrates health institute and of the hippocrates health institute and a presenter at many medical a presenter at many medical integrative and anti-aging health integrative and anti-aging health conferences conferences a contributor on podcasts and online a contributor on podcasts and online summits summits radio and tv shows around the world he's radio and tv shows around the world he's a best-selling author a best-selling author and considered a leading scientist in and considered a leading scientist in the field of the field of integrated infrared technology integrated infrared technology robbie besner continues to research and robbie besner continues to research and develop new applications develop new applications to bring the power of healing with to bring the power of healing with nature nature to the world you can learn more about to the world you can learn more about robbie and his amazing robbie and his amazing biohacking products and tools and tips biohacking products and tools and tips that he developed at that he developed at their assage.com robbie thank you so their assage.com robbie thank you so much for coming on the show

much for coming on the show oh my i love coming on your show oh my i love coming on your show wendy it's my favorite thing to do so wendy it's my favorite thing to do so thank you for having me thank you for having me so robby um so tell us how you got into so robby um so tell us how you got into health i mean you have an amazing health i mean you have an amazing website website therisage.com and you have so many therisage.com and you have so many amazing amazing biohacking tools to improve your health biohacking tools to improve your health on there it's just it's really on there it's just it's really interesting you know things that you're interesting you know things that you're creating creating and offering out there to world how did and offering out there to world how did you get started in this you get started in this well i guess we started hacking before well i guess we started hacking before the word hacking became fashionable the word hacking became fashionable frankly frankly it really started about 20 plus years it really started about 20 plus years ago when my oldest child my daughter ago when my oldest child my daughter julia contracted julia contracted lyme disease chronic lyme and having a lyme disease chronic lyme and having a health care background health care background pre-med and all that stuff we found a pre-med and all that stuff we found a really great lyme literate doctor and 22 really great lyme literate doctor and 22 years ago there weren't years ago there weren't that many available but we found what that many available but we found what was who was considered the best was who was considered the best the best of the best he managed julia's

the best of the best he managed julia's healthcare he was healthcare he was located up north in new york we're down located up north in new york we're down south in florida so we would travel up south in florida so we would travel up to visit to visit to see him and then it the notion came to see him and then it the notion came into mind that you know you see your into mind that you know you see your practitioner to help practitioner to help manage or give you a protocol or a manage or give you a protocol or a methodology to try to help you get back methodology to try to help you get back on on get back to good health but 99 of the get back to good health but 99 of the time time you're basically managing your own you're basically managing your own health either you personally and or the health either you personally and or the help with your family around you help with your family around you and so when i looked at my my daughter's and so when i looked at my my daughter's symptoms symptoms she was expressing very high levels of she was expressing very high levels of toxicity inflammation and pain toxicity inflammation and pain so i looked at those guys i figured out so i looked at those guys i figured out to me the one that to me the one that resonated that i was able to actually resonated that i was able to actually sink my teeth into so to speak was sink my teeth into so to speak was was the area of toxicity and when i was the area of toxicity and when i started looking at best methods to detox started looking at best methods to detox i then discovered that there are actual i then discovered that there are actual frequencies of frequencies of sunlight it's the infrared spectrum sunlight it's the infrared spectrum that can actually mobilize that that can actually mobilize that vibration by a resonance that vibration

vibration by a resonance that vibration that comes into the body that comes into the body it actually shakes up and mobilizes all it actually shakes up and mobilizes all these toxins that are inside of you these toxins that are inside of you so here i thought that i found like the so here i thought that i found like the holy grail but did i know that holy grail but did i know that it was sort of like i don't know if it was sort of like i don't know if you've ever experienced anything with you've ever experienced anything with uh computer programmers but you you find uh computer programmers but you you find one one door like you open one door wendy and door like you open one door wendy and then you find out that there's five more then you find out that there's five more doors behind that doors behind that and that's been my journey with their and that's been my journey with their assassin assassin basically i went to china i started basically i went to china i started developing devices because developing devices because at that time 22 years ago infrared at that time 22 years ago infrared technology really wasn't used mainstream technology really wasn't used mainstream it was mostly used by sports medicine it was mostly used by sports medicine doctors doctors to help players heal faster lower pain to help players heal faster lower pain thresholds thresholds and get back to get back on the field and get back to get back on the field and so and so i started developing some devices for i started developing some devices for home use for my daughter home use for my daughter the doctors that team of doctors at that the doctors that team of doctors at that point that julia was point that julia was working with saw that she was getting working with saw that she was getting some real results

some real results and they asked for us to start making and they asked for us to start making these devices these devices for them and their practices and that for them and their practices and that was really the genesis of our company was really the genesis of our company and it's been really quite a journey and it's been really quite a journey because because as we're discovering different ways to as we're discovering different ways to enhance enhance our platform um it's giving us an our platform um it's giving us an opportunity to really opportunity to really make a big difference in people's make a big difference in people's healthcare and it's really a healthy healthcare and it's really a healthy like natural platform that we've created like natural platform that we've created with our devices with our devices yeah i just love the devices you created yeah i just love the devices you created and you just have so many interesting and you just have so many interesting products products that meet a whole range of needs and so that meet a whole range of needs and so we're going to talk about a few today on we're going to talk about a few today on the show the show but you know so many people right now but you know so many people right now are focusing on their health are focusing on their health to improve their immunity a lot of to improve their immunity a lot of people are taking supplements people are taking supplements and trying to heal a little bit better and trying to heal a little bit better but what are they missing but what are they missing uh when it comes to improving immunity uh when it comes to improving immunity well well the immune system is pretty complex the immune system is pretty complex there's lots of facets to it there's lots of facets to it you know we have these filtering systems

you know we have these filtering systems inside of us inside of us like our kidneys our liver pancreas like our kidneys our liver pancreas large intestine these these mechanisms large intestine these these mechanisms and systems were all designed to pull and systems were all designed to pull toxins out of the body toxins out of the body the problem is as moving forward is the the problem is as moving forward is the world around us is getting very toxic world around us is getting very toxic and once you start to get it's like kind and once you start to get it's like kind of like sludge you know of like sludge you know like you get these toxins in your body like you get these toxins in your body they start to they start to sort of build up because your body's sort of build up because your body's ability to get rid of them ability to get rid of them starts to diminish and then these organ starts to diminish and then these organ systems start working overtime systems start working overtime and they get tired basically and they get tired basically and they become less efficient which and they become less efficient which makes your body more toxic on the inside makes your body more toxic on the inside and what we are wendy we're kind of like and what we are wendy we're kind of like biofilters you know we breathe in biofilters you know we breathe in air or we drink water and food that has air or we drink water and food that has chemicals in it or toxins of some sort chemicals in it or toxins of some sort of another

of another and then these organs designed to filter and then these organs designed to filter out they actually basically out they actually basically do a good job they filter all this stuff do a good job they filter all this stuff out but they're working overtime out but they're working overtime and so one of the things one of the and so one of the things one of the mechanisms mechanisms that i just love because one of the most that i just love because one of the most efficient ways to get toxins out efficient ways to get toxins out is through sweating and so is through sweating and so what's become very popular is one of the what's become very popular is one of the applications that we make is a portable applications that we make is a portable infrared sauna that's infrared sauna that's full spectrum and basically it full spectrum and basically it harnesses the full range of the infrared harnesses the full range of the infrared spectrum of spectrum of light frequencies and then the body light frequencies and then the body interprets it really well interprets it really well it you know grabs it interprets it it you know grabs it interprets it really well because really well because it's natural like it's natural sunlight it's natural like it's natural sunlight and you know i always like to reflect on and you know i always like to reflect on the our ancients like our ancestors the our ancients like our ancestors right and so right and so 8 000 years ago during the days of moses 8 000 years ago during the days of moses jesus and buddha jesus and buddha we were living in caves on the land we we were living in caves on the land we were were you know hunting we were out all day you know hunting we were out all day basically

basically using these natural resources of course using these natural resources of course the world was less toxic then too the world was less toxic then too right but but basically we were able to right but but basically we were able to harness the the interaction of sunlight harness the the interaction of sunlight to basically create that healthy to basically create that healthy platform platform and these days particularly you know if and these days particularly you know if you're living in a you're living in a metropolitan area we're stressed with metropolitan area we're stressed with our work our work we get in our cars we commute to you we get in our cars we commute to you know when we can know when we can of course we've been held up for a while of course we've been held up for a while but we but we it when and if we get back to somewhat it when and if we get back to somewhat normal we're commuting to work so we're normal we're commuting to work so we're going from our going from our in florida our air-conditioned home to in florida our air-conditioned home to our air-conditioned car to our our air-conditioned car to our air-conditioned office air-conditioned office you know and and so all of this stuff you know and and so all of this stuff doesn't give us the opportunity for us doesn't give us the opportunity for us really to get back really to get back in sync with nature so in sync with nature so what i try to do philosophically with what i try to do philosophically with our devices our devices is basically infuse various different is basically infuse various different components components of nature like infrared spectrums like

of nature like infrared spectrums like we do we take gemstones like natural we do we take gemstones like natural tourmaline in our stuff born in asana tourmaline in our stuff born in asana and we infuse it into the materials so and we infuse it into the materials so that you're getting the that you're getting the frequencies it's just like turning back frequencies it's just like turning back the clock the clock basically and what that does and how basically and what that does and how that transforms the body because that transforms the body because it's kind of what i call the beach ball it's kind of what i call the beach ball effect wendy if you ever gone to the effect wendy if you ever gone to the beach beach or a pool and you take a beach ball and or a pool and you take a beach ball and you kind of push it under the water you kind of push it under the water right right and so it's just angst to pop out and and so it's just angst to pop out and spring up spring up spring back to life and that's really spring back to life and that's really what happens with our bodies what happens with our bodies honestly when you get surrounded when honestly when you get surrounded when you get grounded to the earth and you you get grounded to the earth and you start start giving your body the nutrients the giving your body the nutrients the natural energies natural energies from nature then the way that the body from nature then the way that the body tunes up and comes back to true form tunes up and comes back to true form and wellness is truly miraculous and i'm and wellness is truly miraculous and i'm amazed every day amazed every day frankly you know yeah i identify when frankly you know yeah i identify when you say that our

you say that our you know our bodies kind of become like you know our bodies kind of become like sludge with all the toxins that are in sludge with all the toxins that are in it i had a doctor tell me it i had a doctor tell me that my blood looked like sludge at one that my blood looked like sludge at one time time because i just i had so many infections because i just i had so many infections and other things and other things going on that my blood was kind of dark going on that my blood was kind of dark and thick but definitely that and thick but definitely that changed with the power of detoxification changed with the power of detoxification and using infrared saunas and so and using infrared saunas and so you've developed a really unique you've developed a really unique infrared sauna infrared sauna and i was really intrigued by this and i was really intrigued by this that's why i wanted to have you that's why i wanted to have you on the show and it has a lot of bells on the show and it has a lot of bells and whistles and whistles and in fact you can you stack ozone and in fact you can you stack ozone with it as well and i like that idea with it as well and i like that idea where you're stacking where you're stacking different type of modalities one to save different type of modalities one to save time and to potentiate the other to make time and to potentiate the other to make the other one more effective like ozone the other one more effective like ozone can make can make an infrared sauna session more effective an infrared sauna session more effective as long as you're spending the time as long as you're spending the time so and you also have other other things

so and you also have other other things that you can add into your infrared that you can add into your infrared sauna but why don't we just talk about sauna but why don't we just talk about the sauna itself like so why the sauna itself like so why why is it important and what are the why is it important and what are the some of the benefits of using an some of the benefits of using an infrared sauna well infrared sauna well you know there are a few different sauna you know there are a few different sauna choices so you people traditionally look choices so you people traditionally look at at like the hot rock saunas from sweden like the hot rock saunas from sweden that kind of thing dry the dry heat and that kind of thing dry the dry heat and then there's the steam room and those then there's the steam room and those use what's called convection use what's called convection heat so the element heats up the ambient heat so the element heats up the ambient air air it touches your skin and then it warms it touches your skin and then it warms up your skin surface and eventually up your skin surface and eventually it gets inside and then creates crazy it gets inside and then creates crazy raises your core temperature a little raises your core temperature a little bit enough to cause the sweat bit enough to cause the sweat what's different about infrared sauna what's different about infrared sauna and certainly the full spectrum approach and certainly the full spectrum approach that we took that we took is that though it's a wavelength a sun is that though it's a wavelength a sun wavelength that does not wavelength that does not heat up the ambient air it actually goes

heat up the ambient air it actually goes right through right through the layer of there's an insulating layer the layer of there's an insulating layer of fat under your of fat under your right under your skin that protects your right under your skin that protects your insides basically from extreme heat or insides basically from extreme heat or extreme cold extreme cold but when it comes to sunlight it turns but when it comes to sunlight it turns out like out like that there is a certain wavelength that there is a certain wavelength within the infrared spectrum within the infrared spectrum that actually harmonizes with the water that actually harmonizes with the water or resonates at the same frequency as or resonates at the same frequency as the water inside of our bodies the water inside of our bodies so there's a pretty famous phd doctor so there's a pretty famous phd doctor named dr gerald pollock who wrote a named dr gerald pollock who wrote a whole whole thesis about the fourth phase of water thesis about the fourth phase of water and he identifies in his book and he identifies in his book which is truly amazing and totally which is truly amazing and totally inspired me we had an opportunity to inspired me we had an opportunity to actually have a private actually have a private audience with dr pollock but um audience with dr pollock but um what what he discovered was that this what what he discovered was that this certain ray certain ray it's in the infrared spectrum when it it's in the infrared spectrum when it comes through the skin and actually comes through the skin and actually activates the water inside of us it activates the water inside of us it restructures the water inside of us restructures the water inside of us okay so that's a very interesting

okay so that's a very interesting mechanism because mechanism because the structured water what he discovered the structured water what he discovered was that structured water inside of you was that structured water inside of you every patient that he saw in clinic that every patient that he saw in clinic that the water was structured from the water was structured from sunlight they were able they were very sunlight they were able they were very healthy and very vibrant healthy and very vibrant and they were able to fight off disease and they were able to fight off disease their immune systems were super strong their immune systems were super strong and every patient that didn't have that and every patient that didn't have that sunlight sunlight they had unstructured water inside there they had unstructured water inside there were pathogens sickness were pathogens sickness and they were ill ill health in disease and they were ill ill health in disease disease disease so that was pretty empowering to me so that was pretty empowering to me because because basically we're harnessing those those basically we're harnessing those those same frequencies same frequencies in our sauna and they come right into in our sauna and they come right into the body the body they come right through that insulating they come right through that insulating layer of fat underneath your skin layer of fat underneath your skin because 70 to 75 percent of that because 70 to 75 percent of that fat molecule is water and so the fat molecule is water and so the sunlight is actually resonating with sunlight is actually resonating with that water and coming right in that water and coming right in and then what it does is it harbors in and then what it does is it harbors in your in your

your in your um most dense properties wendy which is um most dense properties wendy which is your your organ mass or your muscle mass which organ mass or your muscle mass which also happen to be very vascular also happen to be very vascular and so when that vibration comes in from and so when that vibration comes in from the infrared spectrum the infrared spectrum it starts to vibrate it starts to it starts to vibrate it starts to generate heat it warms up the organ generate heat it warms up the organ and the muscle mass it warms up the and the muscle mass it warms up the surrounding surrounding vessels and when you warm a vessel up it vessels and when you warm a vessel up it dilates dilates and so what you talked about before and and so what you talked about before and said before about potentiating is so said before about potentiating is so important important because if we're eating really well like because if we're eating really well like organic or we're taking great organic or we're taking great supplements supplements like how does the body absorb and like how does the body absorb and potentiate potentiate those supplements and your food in the those supplements and your food in the best way to get the ultimate best way to get the ultimate benefit out of your nourishment and one benefit out of your nourishment and one way way is when there are water structure inside is when there are water structure inside of you and using that infrared sauna of you and using that infrared sauna actually creates a more supple actually creates a more supple environment environment internally so that you know if we expand internally so that you know if we expand a vein in an artery we're moving more

a vein in an artery we're moving more blood around your body right blood around your body right probably somewhere between 15 to 20 probably somewhere between 15 to 20 percent percent that's raising your metabolic rate now that's raising your metabolic rate now if you're eating good food you're eating if you're eating good food you're eating a supplement a supplement i'm exposing and that's in it's in your i'm exposing and that's in it's in your blood right blood right because all those nutrients actually go because all those nutrients actually go wind end up being in your blood so now wind end up being in your blood so now i'm exposing your i'm exposing your your organs and your tissues your vital your organs and your tissues your vital body parts body parts to more blood because we're moving that to more blood because we're moving that around through your vessels around through your vessels at a higher frequency right 10 to 15 at a higher frequency right 10 to 15 almost 20 percent almost 20 percent and so these are pretty powerful and so these are pretty powerful mechanisms mechanisms that our bodies have naturally are set that our bodies have naturally are set up up but when you know when we're sequestered but when you know when we're sequestered away and we're not getting sunlight and away and we're not getting sunlight and we're not we're not when we're not active so we're not when we're not active so we're not moving our lymphatic system and things moving our lymphatic system and things like that like that then everything starts to slow down and then everything starts to slow down and so so you know we've seen i mean just recently you know we've seen i mean just recently all of us have experienced this covid 19 all of us have experienced this covid 19 challenge and it's affected us in so

challenge and it's affected us in so many different ways many different ways but particularly people have had an but particularly people have had an opportunity now to kind of focus on opportunity now to kind of focus on the basics and i think that the basics and i think that you know harnessing sunlight you know is you know harnessing sunlight you know is such an important such an important function for just natural health in a function for just natural health in a platform platform and then when you mentioned before about and then when you mentioned before about stacking stacking when you've got a great foundation and when you've got a great foundation and you bring another you bring another modality into the mix now there's that modality into the mix now there's that synergy where two and two makes maybe synergy where two and two makes maybe six six eight or ten it's not just the eight or ten it's not just the independent greatness of just independent greatness of just one type of device but what i noticed one type of device but what i noticed over the years over the years with my own health coaching and and with my own health coaching and and clinical clinical applications and research the order that applications and research the order that you do things in you do things in and the way that you dose what you do and the way that you dose what you do can make all the difference can make all the difference between you having a moderate result or between you having a moderate result or just having a just having a pie in the sky result yeah yeah that's i

pie in the sky result yeah yeah that's i love what you're doing by love what you're doing by stacking uh stacking different stacking uh stacking different you know tools in one session like you know tools in one session like you're almost doing a detox training you're almost doing a detox training circuit circuit so to speak you know doing uh you know so to speak you know doing uh you know using all the different modalities that using all the different modalities that you you you have and then and so we'll you have and then and so we'll kind of list those off in a second but kind of list those off in a second but uh uh more importantly right now when more importantly right now when so many people are looking for tools to so many people are looking for tools to boost immunity i can't think of a better boost immunity i can't think of a better tool tool than an infrared sauna because in the in than an infrared sauna because in the in before we had antibiotics before we had antibiotics there was been volumes written about there was been volumes written about hyperthermia hyperthermia that's all doctors had back in the day that's all doctors had back in the day to to to address infections and induce raise to address infections and induce raise the body temperature the body temperature induces faux fever which kills pathogens induces faux fever which kills pathogens fevers kill pathogens and then we have fevers kill pathogens and then we have the heat shock proteins that are the heat shock proteins that are activated activated when you heat the body up and then also when you heat the body up and then also you sweat out and remove toxins

you sweat out and remove toxins heavy metals cadmium lead arsenic heavy metals cadmium lead arsenic mercury mercury that interfere in your immune system that interfere in your immune system functioning they slow down your functioning they slow down your macrophages and killer t macrophages and killer t cells that kill off pathogens as well so cells that kill off pathogens as well so you're just doing all these have all you're just doing all these have all these different immunity benefits but these different immunity benefits but let's talk about let's talk about the the options that you have in your the the options that you have in your sauna so you've got the infrared sauna sauna so you've got the infrared sauna you have the ozone and then you also you have the ozone and then you also have have red light therapy and so let's let's red light therapy and so let's let's talk about the ozone first talk about the ozone first well you know back to the stacking well you know back to the stacking concept concept um when i was thinking through um when i was thinking through i i don't know i get downloads you hear i i don't know i get downloads you hear me talk about that all the time okay so me talk about that all the time okay so this little voice came to me and said this little voice came to me and said boy if i have wendy boy if i have wendy myers in my sauna for 30 minutes myers in my sauna for 30 minutes what could i do to actually maximize what could i do to actually maximize her health experience what other things her health experience what other things can i bring in what other interventions

can i bring in what other interventions could i could i introduce to her experience so that introduce to her experience so that because you're a very busy woman and because you're a very busy woman and and people have busy lifestyles and so and people have busy lifestyles and so forth and forth and so if i were to say i need an hour every so if i were to say i need an hour every day for you to take care of yourself you day for you to take care of yourself you go oh my god go oh my god i just don't have a minute to even think i just don't have a minute to even think straight straight i'm well enough carve out an hour but if i'm well enough carve out an hour but if i asked you to take 30 minutes out i asked you to take 30 minutes out that's way more appealing right that's way more appealing right and so i just got fixated on and so i just got fixated on what can i do for wendy in 30 minutes what can i do for wendy in 30 minutes what things could i bring in and so what things could i bring in and so oxygen really intrigued me because oxygen really intrigued me because oxygen therapy oxygen therapy just like you mentioned like heat just like you mentioned like heat therapy or creating hypothermia therapy or creating hypothermia has been over time one of the greatest has been over time one of the greatest ways ways to revive the body one of the reasons to revive the body one of the reasons why we why we age wendy is because as we get older age wendy is because as we get older after the age of 30 after the age of 30 our bodies produce less nitric oxide

our bodies produce less nitric oxide which is a vasodilator it means it which is a vasodilator it means it expands our little vessels expands our little vessels and it also triggers our blood to grab and it also triggers our blood to grab more oxygen when we make it available more oxygen when we make it available and so so because we make less of it and so so because we make less of it our bodies actually retain less oxygen our bodies actually retain less oxygen in our blood in our blood and that's that's another way of saying and that's that's another way of saying we're we're we're experiencing oxidative stress and we're experiencing oxidative stress and it's one of the main reasons why we age it's one of the main reasons why we age okay so how can we bring more oxygen okay so how can we bring more oxygen into your blood into your blood well the great pairing is nitric oxide well the great pairing is nitric oxide and ozone or some kind of oxygen therapy and ozone or some kind of oxygen therapy it turns out that the red light spectrum it turns out that the red light spectrum and the near frequencies that we have in and the near frequencies that we have in our full spectrum our full spectrum sauna actually produce nitric oxide that sauna actually produce nitric oxide that transient gas naturally in the body transient gas naturally in the body and so when i was thinking about the and so when i was thinking about the mechanism and how to

mechanism and how to initiate that that dynamic in our body initiate that that dynamic in our body naturally naturally i thought well you can certainly i thought well you can certainly supplement nitric oxide and we have a supplement nitric oxide and we have a great great trade partner that does that but how can trade partner that does that but how can we do it we do it naturally and one way is through the naturally and one way is through the infrared spectrum infrared spectrum so we we shifted our latest version of so we we shifted our latest version of our thera 360 model our thera 360 model to make a thera 360 plus which has these to make a thera 360 plus which has these special twilight panels in them special twilight panels in them and and i'm pretty proud of that it's and and i'm pretty proud of that it's just one of my little brainstorm things just one of my little brainstorm things but most led light emitting diodes but most led light emitting diodes are monochromatic that means that they are monochromatic that means that they they they they only are able to emit one frequency they only are able to emit one frequency and so many of the near frequency or any and so many of the near frequency or any of the of the cocktails that are made from leds are cocktails that are made from leds are generally generally just a couple of different kinds of diet just a couple of different kinds of diet or or couple of different diodes that have couple of different diodes that have different frequencies and they combine different frequencies and they combine them together

them together to create a light cocktail in a sense to create a light cocktail in a sense right right i thought through that and i said well i thought through that and i said well why is that why is that and so i thought well why can't we make and so i thought well why can't we make a a light emitting diode an led that light emitting diode an led that actually has more than one actually has more than one frequency in it and so we actually frequency in it and so we actually created one that has three frequencies created one that has three frequencies in it in it and so we can generate more photon and so we can generate more photon energy energy in our light panels than most people can in our light panels than most people can in their light panels because we are in their light panels because we are giving a lot of power giving a lot of power to our leds and we're also firing up to our leds and we're also firing up three different frequencies at the same three different frequencies at the same time time all of which i've studied to be the most all of which i've studied to be the most beneficial to create nitric oxide beneficial to create nitric oxide help with mitochondria stress and help with mitochondria stress and basically help with cell energy basically help with cell energy and i and the reason why i did that was and i and the reason why i did that was really to address wendy what we're really to address wendy what we're seeing seeing in clinic i mean it's people are not in clinic i mean it's people are not very very healthy they're we're finding women at healthy they're we're finding women at age 14 that are coming in

age 14 that are coming in showing signs of being sterile and guys showing signs of being sterile and guys at at age 18 that have low testosterone levels age 18 that have low testosterone levels and so this is all because of and so this is all because of our toxic environment and the way we act our toxic environment and the way we act react react in our microbiomes that are now in our microbiomes that are now basically off balance basically off balance and so my concern about that made me and so my concern about that made me shift a little bit away from shift a little bit away from our normal approach which is just our normal approach which is just following nature's playbook following nature's playbook to actually dialing a little bit more of to actually dialing a little bit more of the near spectrum the near spectrum so that we get what i feel is i'm so that we get what i feel is i'm addressing today's times addressing today's times with our technology and so far with our technology and so far i mean the response from the public and i mean the response from the public and from what i can see from my own research from what i can see from my own research it's just it's just really just an amazing amazing device really just an amazing amazing device yeah i mean i absolutely love it and you yeah i mean i absolutely love it and you know i i find it know i i find it really compelling because number one really compelling because number one i think everyone should be using an i think everyone should be using an infrared sauna infrared sauna and that's super super important for all

and that's super super important for all the benefits we we mentioned above the benefits we we mentioned above and then when you add that ozone to it and then when you add that ozone to it you know so you know so which is a form of like oxygen you're which is a form of like oxygen you're getting into your tissues getting into your tissues so many people are oxygen deficient so many people are oxygen deficient today for various reasons today for various reasons and it's important to do oxygen therapy and it's important to do oxygen therapy on a regular basis on a regular basis and then when you have that red light and then when you have that red light therapy that can help to charge up therapy that can help to charge up your mitochondria in addition to all the your mitochondria in addition to all the skin skin health benefits and improving your skin health benefits and improving your skin health and health and there's red light and then uh you have there's red light and then uh you have you have near you have near infrared leds as well in your panel infrared leds as well in your panel and there's different benefits to both and there's different benefits to both spectrums um spectrums um but more importantly you know so many but more importantly you know so many people people their mitochondria are not working their mitochondria are not working properly they're not producing enough properly they're not producing enough energy and energy and if they're not able to go in the sun or if they're not able to go in the sun or they don't have sun they don't have sun in their area in their hemisphere or the in their area in their hemisphere or the season season it's really important to you know be it's really important to you know be sitting in front of these red light

sitting in front of these red light therapy and near infrared panels to therapy and near infrared panels to facilitate facilitate energy production because that's light energy production because that's light is how is how you know a big facet of how mitochondria you know a big facet of how mitochondria produce energy produce energy exactly and so we're just charging these exactly and so we're just charging these little batteries little batteries inside of us that's what these set our inside of us that's what these set our cells are and so cells are and so knowing that we produce nitric oxide knowing that we produce nitric oxide naturally naturally in our thera 360 plus in our thera 360 plus we do it also to a degree in the regular we do it also to a degree in the regular version version but it's dialed up a little more in the but it's dialed up a little more in the plus with the twilight panels plus with the twilight panels knowing that the piece that what i knowing that the piece that what i needed to needed to introduce was a way to get more oxygen introduce was a way to get more oxygen into the tent that you're sitting in into the tent that you're sitting in because basically because basically if the near frequencies trigger nitric if the near frequencies trigger nitric oxide nitric oxide creates more oxide nitric oxide creates more circulation in the body circulation in the body and also tells the blood to grab more and also tells the blood to grab more oxygen when it makes it when you make it oxygen when it makes it when you make it available available how do we make it available well it's

how do we make it available well it's obvious when you get in the sauna obvious when you get in the sauna and you start to sweat you sweat out and you start to sweat you sweat out your toxins right because we open up your toxins right because we open up that detox pathway that detox pathway but that's a two-way it's a two-way but that's a two-way it's a two-way street street because your skin is your largest organ because your skin is your largest organ and you and what happens when you and you and what happens when you hydrate your skin hydrate your skin it becomes a breathing organ it actually it becomes a breathing organ it actually you can get things in not just get you can get things in not just get things out and so things out and so that's where my idea came from well that's where my idea came from well let's just make more oxygen available let's just make more oxygen available because if the blood is ready to receive because if the blood is ready to receive and then we give and then we give the tent a little bit more oxygen which the tent a little bit more oxygen which we do through we do through a little device can i can i bring that a little device can i can i bring that on so now on so now okay so it's really kind of small i mean okay so it's really kind of small i mean look you can i have small hands anyway look you can i have small hands anyway but you can see how big it is right so but you can see how big it is right so it's kind of the size of a cell phone a it's kind of the size of a cell phone a little thicker little thicker and um it has two functions you can and um it has two functions you can turn on the ozone by just holding the turn on the ozone by just holding the button in and then you'll notice that button in and then you'll notice that these little lights light up right and

these little lights light up right and then what's happening here is that in then what's happening here is that in the back the back there is a little fan and it sucks the there is a little fan and it sucks the air from the room which is air from the room which is o2 and then we have a specialized light o2 and then we have a specialized light that we put installed in here and when that we put installed in here and when the o2 runs over the light the o2 runs over the light the light actually fractures the o2 into the light actually fractures the o2 into unstable ones unstable ones that come out the front and as soon as that come out the front and as soon as wow it smells great and as soon as it wow it smells great and as soon as it comes out the front comes out the front it marries those unstable ones marry up it marries those unstable ones marry up with an o2 that's sitting out here with an o2 that's sitting out here to create an o3 which is the definition to create an o3 which is the definition of ozone of ozone so what most oxygen therapists don't so what most oxygen therapists don't realize realize is that when you're in the infrared is that when you're in the infrared sauna sauna setting that environment you don't need setting that environment you don't need a whole lot of a whole lot of extra oxygen like you might in a extra oxygen like you might in a hyperbaric chamber hyperbaric chamber or if you shoot ozone directly into the or if you shoot ozone directly into the vein vein you can easily recruit your skin which you can easily recruit your skin which is just a huge organ

is just a huge organ to bring these little extra o3s in to bring these little extra o3s in through your skin through your skin and you know next to breathing it and you know next to breathing it breathing breathing oxygen through your lungs the next best oxygen through your lungs the next best way to get things into your bloodstream way to get things into your bloodstream is through your skin and because it's so is through your skin and because it's so close to close to and the capillaries that are just under and the capillaries that are just under your skin are so your skin are so small that they actually you know become small that they actually you know become mechanisms mechanisms to bring these this extra oxygen right to bring these this extra oxygen right into your bloodstream into your bloodstream yeah i'm sure the heat from the sauna yeah i'm sure the heat from the sauna enhances the enhances the absorption into your body as well of the absorption into your body as well of the ozones exactly ozones exactly exactly so this little device isn't exactly so this little device isn't all that expensive it generates 750 all that expensive it generates 750 milligrams milligrams per cubic inch per hour in that little per cubic inch per hour in that little tent tent and so that's more than enough for you and so that's more than enough for you to get that extra oxygen now to get that extra oxygen now mind you this is not clinical grade for mind you this is not clinical grade for any of the people that might be viewing any of the people that might be viewing us us today or in the future you can read today or in the future you can read about about ozone and ozone you know the clinical

ozone and ozone you know the clinical grade ozone is very very caustic to grade ozone is very very caustic to breathe through your nose breathe through your nose and into your lungs and actually it's and into your lungs and actually it's actually an irritant to your actually an irritant to your um to your skin if it's not hydrated um to your skin if it's not hydrated beforehand beforehand well guess what you do in the sauna well guess what you do in the sauna you're sweating so you're hydrating you're sweating so you're hydrating right right so we're just combining all these little so we're just combining all these little mechanisms together mechanisms together giving your body what it's looking for giving your body what it's looking for that extra oh that extra oh and we're it's pretty effective we we and we're it's pretty effective we we also like the idea that you can use this also like the idea that you can use this outside the sauna to disinfect outside the sauna to disinfect like it'll kill airborne bacterias and like it'll kill airborne bacterias and viruses viruses it'll take odors out of the room so we it'll take odors out of the room so we travel with this i bring it to the hotel travel with this i bring it to the hotel i bring it in the car i actually use it i bring it in the car i actually use it on the plane on the plane and i frankly i travel with melody and and i frankly i travel with melody and my little puppy so my little puppy so you know we have it in our row and it you know we have it in our row and it cleans the air that we're breathing when cleans the air that we're breathing when we're in the plane and we're in the plane and i feel more confident with that and i feel more confident with that and there's there is an additional function there's there is an additional function on here that brings negative ions which

on here that brings negative ions which is is kind of an earthing effect and so for kind of an earthing effect and so for people that are hyper people that are hyper i use that generally i have it on my i use that generally i have it on my night table so i'll use that function night table so i'll use that function when i go to sleep at night because it when i go to sleep at night because it calms me down and it kind of gets me calms me down and it kind of gets me right into delta right into delta rem sleep which is you know where your rem sleep which is you know where your body starts to body starts to heal itself when you're in a deep sleep heal itself when you're in a deep sleep so so this is a great little add-on so so this is a great little add-on and it doesn't cost a lot and you put it and it doesn't cost a lot and you put it right into the at the floor of right into the at the floor of the base of the sauna and usually when the base of the sauna and usually when people are first starting with people are first starting with us and we we coach them i i don't think us and we we coach them i i don't think it's this is just the philosophical it's this is just the philosophical point about us point about us wendy i don't think it's just enough to wendy i don't think it's just enough to make a great device i think what's make a great device i think what's really important really important is that we teach people how to use it is that we teach people how to use it and maximize their health experience and maximize their health experience and so i do that with you talking about and so i do that with you talking about things today i do with the practitioners things today i do with the practitioners when we work with them when we work with them and we do one-on-one coaching just to and we do one-on-one coaching just to make sure that everybody is getting what make sure that everybody is getting what they're looking for they're looking for and you know we're all individuals so we

and you know we're all individuals so we start everyone it's kind of like start everyone it's kind of like learning how to swim learning how to swim if i was your swim coach i wouldn't kind if i was your swim coach i wouldn't kind of if you never spawned before of if you never spawned before i wouldn't throw you into the deep end i wouldn't throw you into the deep end of the pool and then walk away and of the pool and then walk away and go you know have a smoothie or something go you know have a smoothie or something right right i would probably i would start you off i would probably i would start you off in the shallow end and depending on in the shallow end and depending on how fragile you were based on how you how fragile you were based on how you presented presented i might even just start you off with i might even just start you off with your toe in the water your toe in the water so that you you're not you don't become so that you you're not you don't become afraid and your body acclimates afraid and your body acclimates and then you slowly move down the road and then you slowly move down the road because because you know having the a little portable you know having the a little portable sauna in your home sauna in your home is so economical it's so affordable is so economical it's so affordable it doesn't take up any space and it doesn't take up any space and asking you to do this for a half an hour asking you to do this for a half an hour every day every day well i don't know anybody on the planet well i don't know anybody on the planet that deserves it more than you that deserves it more than you to give yourself that gift of good to give yourself that gift of good health and then the idea you can stack health and then the idea you can stack other modalities other modalities during that experience to really elevate

during that experience to really elevate that your health and wellness plan that your health and wellness plan is just a joy to keep inventing and is just a joy to keep inventing and putting these things together putting these things together and seeing real results yeah it's so key and seeing real results yeah it's so key i mean we both know how i mean we both know how how toxic our environment is we have to how toxic our environment is we have to be be i mean the toxins are coming in faster i mean the toxins are coming in faster than we can excrete them than we can excrete them then our bodies were made to excrete then our bodies were made to excrete them we're one big them we're one big walking filter and the toxins keep walking filter and the toxins keep getting getting stuck because we're not replacing the stuck because we're not replacing the filter filter you know we have to do things to cleanse you know we have to do things to cleanse our body our body and i think your infrared sauna is one and i think your infrared sauna is one of the most affordable saunas of the most affordable saunas on the market for any of you guys that on the market for any of you guys that have been kind of maybe on the fence or have been kind of maybe on the fence or felt like felt like you couldn't afford one or were looking you couldn't afford one or were looking for the right one for the right one this is good also because you can you this is good also because you can you can fold it up can fold it up and put it under a bed really quickly and put it under a bed really quickly and really easily and really easily and it's not complicated to set up at and it's not complicated to set up at all i have one all i have one took me five seconds to set it up and

took me five seconds to set it up and get it going get it going it's super easy and i just i love the it's super easy and i just i love the stacking because stacking because you know ozone is really important for you know ozone is really important for another reason too because it kills another reason too because it kills pathogens oxygen kills pathogens and i pathogens oxygen kills pathogens and i think that so many people today are think that so many people today are they don't have the best diet they're they don't have the best diet they're not absorbing nutrients they're not not absorbing nutrients they're not sleeping good they have all the emf sleeping good they have all the emf they're fatigued and they're these they're fatigued and they're these infections that people get infections that people get are exposed to our opportunistic are exposed to our opportunistic and a lot of people have infections and a lot of people have infections walking around that are weighing them walking around that are weighing them down down and so people aren't living their best and so people aren't living their best life and doing infrared saunas life and doing infrared saunas ozone other things can give people that ozone other things can give people that edge because you know you can't just i edge because you know you can't just i think it's really hard to think it's really hard to figure out everything that's going on in figure out everything that's going on in your body everything that's taking up your body everything that's taking up immune bandwidth immune bandwidth you know you have to get mold testing you know you have to get mold testing and then parasite testing and then and then parasite testing and then other lyme testing and other types of other lyme testing and other types of testing trying to figure out what it is testing trying to figure out what it is that you have that you have chances are you got something why not

chances are you got something why not just nuke it just nuke it in in a sauna i cook it nuke it in the in in a sauna i cook it nuke it in the sauna nuke it with the ozone sauna nuke it with the ozone and and throw stuff out of that we we and and throw stuff out of that we we know that your body know that your body will benefit from well that's amazing i will benefit from well that's amazing i never really thought of it like that never really thought of it like that um but i think i think um but i think i think we're both saying the same things in we're both saying the same things in different ways that different ways that there's a safe position that if you give there's a safe position that if you give yourself natural resources like sunlight yourself natural resources like sunlight and fresh water and good air and fresh water and good air that the body will bounce back you know that the body will bounce back you know and and respond very very quickly respond very very quickly earlier we talked about raising core earlier we talked about raising core temperature called hypothermia temperature called hypothermia most viruses and bacterias can't live most viruses and bacterias can't live above above a body fever or core temperature of 101 a body fever or core temperature of 101 and a half to 102. and a half to 102. there are actually heat sensitive there are actually heat sensitive cancers that can't live cancers that can't live above 104. so if i could do something to

above 104. so if i could do something to raise your core temperature up to 101 raise your core temperature up to 101 and a half it varies and a half it varies give or take a half a degree person to give or take a half a degree person to person then i know that there's going to person then i know that there's going to be a natural die off of viruses be a natural die off of viruses bacterias bacterias like you say opportunistic parasites like you say opportunistic parasites mold there'll be a natural die off there mold there'll be a natural die off there the second piece that you just mentioned the second piece that you just mentioned is that most of those is that most of those microorganisms are anaerobic that means microorganisms are anaerobic that means that they don't like that they don't like oxygen so putting the stack of combining oxygen so putting the stack of combining higher core temperature and extra oxygen higher core temperature and extra oxygen together is a together is a as my friend in texas says a chicken as my friend in texas says a chicken winner dinner winner dinner someday you'll explain to me what that someday you'll explain to me what that means okay wendy means okay wendy but i think it sounds like it's a good but i think it sounds like it's a good combination yeah i believe combination yeah i believe i believe that wholeheartedly and we i believe that wholeheartedly and we actually see that actually see that in clinic and so these are just in clinic and so these are just you know studying nature and studying you know studying nature and studying ancient cultures ancient cultures and seeing what works we're living in a and seeing what works we're living in a very complicated

very complicated world these days and every day there are world these days and every day there are new acronyms for new diseases out there new acronyms for new diseases out there but most of them stem from the that but most of them stem from the that imbalance that we talk about and imbalance that we talk about and and most most diseases and most most diseases themselves the reason why you're themselves the reason why you're symptomatic at symptomatic at all is because you're very very all is because you're very very uh very toxic and toxicity uh very toxic and toxicity and inflammation travel on the same and inflammation travel on the same highway highway and so if you lower your toxic burden and so if you lower your toxic burden then you lower inflammation and then all then you lower inflammation and then all of a sudden of a sudden food sensitivities go away allergies food sensitivities go away allergies go away getting better night sleep go away getting better night sleep you're you're more able to function at work your more able to function at work your mental clarity is boosted your total mental clarity is boosted your total energy is better energy is better these are big things you know in a in a these are big things you know in a in a positive positive spiral that you can do incrementally spiral that you can do incrementally just by making one more small change

just by making one more small change incorporating the sauna and these simple incorporating the sauna and these simple techniques we talk about techniques we talk about in your daily practice and the us is in your daily practice and the us is kind of an interesting culture i'm lucky kind of an interesting culture i'm lucky because i've had a chance to travel because i've had a chance to travel around the world and when you go to asia around the world and when you go to asia and other areas they practice healthcare and other areas they practice healthcare incrementally with the foods they eat incrementally with the foods they eat and the and the and the way that they sleep and doing and the way that they sleep and doing doing certain kinds of doing certain kinds of like tai chi and movement different like tai chi and movement different kinds of movements kinds of movements to keep their bodies agile and and to keep their bodies agile and and so those cultures have histories of so those cultures have histories of greater life spans and healthier greater life spans and healthier lifespans as they get older lifespans as they get older then you dial back to the us where we then you dial back to the us where we just work really hard just work really hard we don't necessarily eat the best way we we don't necessarily eat the best way we can fast food was invented i think we can fast food was invented i think we invented that right invented that right and so so that creates the whole and so so that creates the whole negative spiral and so there's two negative spiral and so there's two categories here categories here i i get a lot of joy out of helping i i get a lot of joy out of helping people that have chronic challenges people that have chronic challenges because because they're so sick of being sick wendy it's

they're so sick of being sick wendy it's just pitiful just pitiful to me to think that they can't fulfill to me to think that they can't fulfill their dreams and their find their their dreams and their find their purpose and their bliss and their lives purpose and their bliss and their lives and and make contributions to their families and make contributions to their families and to their to their their religion and to their communities their religion and to their communities and their passions right and their passions right but the one i'm getting the most fun out but the one i'm getting the most fun out of these days are the optimal health of these days are the optimal health group group these hackers that are out there because these hackers that are out there because they're they're they're so much more fun to keep them they're so much more fun to keep them healthy healthy and keep them on track and they're and keep them on track and they're always looking for like the best of the always looking for like the best of the best of what they can find best of what they can find in order for them to maintain that in order for them to maintain that optimal health optimal health and it's it's such a joy getting that and it's it's such a joy getting that energy of working with these kinds of energy of working with these kinds of people people has really been really been great yeah i has really been really been great yeah i i'm i'm right there with you because i know right there with you because i know there's so many people that are there's so many people that are struggling struggling with chronic illness with mystery with chronic illness with mystery illness going to a conventional medical illness going to a conventional medical doctor or even a perfectly good doctor or even a perfectly good functional medical doctor functional medical doctor and they're not looking at toxins as an and they're not looking at toxins as an underlying root cause and i think for so

underlying root cause and i think for so many people many people that are just tired brain fog are having that are just tired brain fog are having infertility issues and other and just infertility issues and other and just working your way up the ladder working your way up the ladder immune issues autoimmune just immune issues autoimmune just you know so many symptoms all the way up you know so many symptoms all the way up to people that are debilitated to people that are debilitated toxins are always going to be an toxins are always going to be an underlying cause underlying cause a factor that's contributing you have to a factor that's contributing you have to be looking be looking at this and i love that you have so many at this and i love that you have so many different different kind of tools for people to to address kind of tools for people to to address these things in a number of different these things in a number of different ways from different angles ways from different angles so as far as the the ozone is concerned so as far as the the ozone is concerned i love all the different versatile ways i love all the different versatile ways that you can use that you can use ozone so you have your portable ozone ozone so you have your portable ozone device which is one of the smallest device which is one of the smallest i think the smallest one i've ever seen i think the smallest one i've ever seen and you can put that in your sauna or and you can put that in your sauna or take it with you and use it take it with you and use it so but you also have a thera oxygen or so but you also have a thera oxygen or thera ozone bubbler like what is that thera ozone bubbler like what is that what does that do it's uh relatively new

what does that do it's uh relatively new to our our ensemble to our our ensemble basically this is what it looks like basically this is what it looks like plugs into your wall plugs into your wall this version comes with a little this version comes with a little portable clicker so you can actually portable clicker so you can actually have that remote have that remote a little further away and then it comes a little further away and then it comes with a little hose and then you can with a little hose and then you can notice there's like a notice there's like a little kind of air stone on the bottom little kind of air stone on the bottom it comes with two air stones it comes with two air stones and there are a whole bunch of different and there are a whole bunch of different accessories but basically you power it accessories but basically you power it on on here and then you can choose five here and then you can choose five different settings different settings where the little portable white one we where the little portable white one we looked at earlier looked at earlier is the most breathable form is the most breathable form of ozone you know you'll still smell it of ozone you know you'll still smell it and so forth this one is a little bit and so forth this one is a little bit has a little bit higher gamma so that has a little bit higher gamma so that when you when you actually put it near your nose you'll actually put it near your nose you'll kind of go whoa kind of go whoa you know it's a little strong what i you know it's a little strong what i liked about this and what we're using it liked about this and what we're using it for initially was for initially was we take this air stone we keep it in the

we take this air stone we keep it in the kitchen and we fill up we have a sink at kitchen and we fill up we have a sink at our kitchen that we have like two our kitchen that we have like two two tubs in it you know but you can just two tubs in it you know but you can just if yours just has single it's fine if yours just has single it's fine and then we put the air stone in and we and then we put the air stone in and we turn it on for like four turn it on for like four you know a second or third setting they you know a second or third setting they all have different names like disinfect all have different names like disinfect and so forth and during particularly and so forth and during particularly during this whole during this whole 19 piece every fruit and vegetable every 19 piece every fruit and vegetable every food food that we before we ate it we would that we before we ate it we would we'd fill up the sink halfway we'd fill up the sink halfway we'd bubble in the ozone in a minute you we'd bubble in the ozone in a minute you can smell it right away and now we're can smell it right away and now we're ozonating that water ozonating that water with that extra oxygen and as we've just with that extra oxygen and as we've just said just prior to this said just prior to this that's going to kill all the bugs the that's going to kill all the bugs the parasites it's going to kill the viruses parasites it's going to kill the viruses it's you know and some of the news it's you know and some of the news reports have said that reports have said that that um viruses can last as can live as that um viruses can last as can live as much as 72 much as 72 hours on the outside of you know like a hours on the outside of you know like a piece of

piece of wrapping paper or something that a food wrapping paper or something that a food source right source right and so this was perfect for my wife and so this was perfect for my wife wendy because melody is a germaphobe and wendy because melody is a germaphobe and so like that when i brought that into so like that when i brought that into our ensemble our ensemble she basically it's now got a position in she basically it's now got a position in bed next to us bed next to us so it's actually kind of moved up the so it's actually kind of moved up the ladder so quick that she ladder so quick that she you can take that same bubbler and you you can take that same bubbler and you can put it into your bath water can put it into your bath water and so when you're taking a hot bath and so when you're taking a hot bath like an epsom salt like an epsom salt bath where you're getting more magnesium bath where you're getting more magnesium or so into your into right in through or so into your into right in through your skin your skin you now can bubble the ozone into the you now can bubble the ozone into the water and get that extra oxygen water and get that extra oxygen into your skin at the same time oh wow i into your skin at the same time oh wow i didn't think about that use that that's didn't think about that use that that's been that's brilliant been that's brilliant another way to oxygenize your tissues oh another way to oxygenize your tissues oh it's amazing it's amazing it's amazing so the you know skin is it's amazing so the you know skin is just just such a great format to help you know get such a great format to help you know get things in and out things in and out and so we actually have a couple of and so we actually have a couple of different kinds of different kinds of accessories there's a oral accessory

accessories there's a oral accessory that you can plug in that you can plug in there's what's called a hydration cup so there's what's called a hydration cup so this device has a tube that goes into a this device has a tube that goes into a little sippy cup little sippy cup type thing that has a bubbler on it so type thing that has a bubbler on it so you put you put your water usually either distilled or your water usually either distilled or good filtered water in the cup good filtered water in the cup and then out the other end of that and then out the other end of that closed cup system closed cup system comes another tube that you can put an comes another tube that you can put an air stone to air stone to you can put a little device that looks you can put a little device that looks like a water pick like a water pick and then you can go up and around your and then you can go up and around your gums because your gum beds is an gums because your gum beds is an area where a lot of these nasty area where a lot of these nasty bacterias live bacterias live and so what i do every day because i and so what i do every day because i have have a pre-periodontal condition in my gums a pre-periodontal condition in my gums they started to recede and when i brush they started to recede and when i brush sometimes they bleed sometimes they bleed so i brush my teeth and now i ozonate my so i brush my teeth and now i ozonate my gum beds gum beds and ever since i've been doing this i'm and ever since i've been doing this i'm not bleeding anymore not bleeding anymore some of the like the residual plaque and some of the like the residual plaque and and um you know people get coated

and um you know people get coated tongues because there's dysbiosis the tongues because there's dysbiosis the bacterias and their bacterias and their guts aren't exactly balanced properly guts aren't exactly balanced properly and and all that stuff is going away so i'm just all that stuff is going away so i'm just trying to figure out if it's going to trying to figure out if it's going to actually turn my hair back to my natural actually turn my hair back to my natural brown brown from the spray i haven't figured out if from the spray i haven't figured out if he'll do that yet he'll do that yet but yeah and there's so many uses for but yeah and there's so many uses for ozone i mean i use it around my house i ozone i mean i use it around my house i also use it to wash my vegetables also use it to wash my vegetables and wash sprouts i use it to like and wash sprouts i use it to like sterilize various things around my house sterilize various things around my house i mean you know i used to in the past i mean you know i used to in the past use like alcohol or hydrogen peroxide use like alcohol or hydrogen peroxide nothing beats ozone for for nothing beats ozone for for sterilization sterilization for taking that water and cleaning with for taking that water and cleaning with it it's it it's it's it's zero toxicity and works a it's it's zero toxicity and works a thousand times better than toxic bleach thousand times better than toxic bleach or or you know i don't really like the or or you know i don't really like the smell of alcohol chemicals smell of alcohol chemicals just chemicals yeah so really what just chemicals yeah so really what you're doing is you're doing is harnessing a part of nature yes we're

harnessing a part of nature yes we're producing the ozone producing the ozone actually ozone happens in our atmosphere actually ozone happens in our atmosphere above our what's called the stratosphere above our what's called the stratosphere are are very very far out into outer space very very far out into outer space ozone actually is produced and ozone actually is produced and we have a layer in our atmosphere that we have a layer in our atmosphere that prevents that ozone prevents that ozone from actually coming into our atmosphere from actually coming into our atmosphere that's how the earth is protected that's how the earth is protected but in fact it's one of the most natural but in fact it's one of the most natural ways ways to do exactly what you're saying to to to do exactly what you're saying to to act as an agent to disinfect things act as an agent to disinfect things oftentimes what we'll do in the kitchen oftentimes what we'll do in the kitchen after we've made a meal after we've made a meal if we're using garlic or some very if we're using garlic or some very fragrant fragrant different kinds of herbs what we'll do different kinds of herbs what we'll do is we'll just take the ozone device out is we'll just take the ozone device out we'll we'll fill up the sink a little bit just run fill up the sink a little bit just run the bubbler in there the ozone's the bubbler in there the ozone's bubbling into that room and clearing out bubbling into that room and clearing out the any of the odors from the from the any of the odors from the from cooking and what whatnot cooking and what whatnot and or you could do what you suggested and or you could do what you suggested take a wash towel or even a

take a wash towel or even a paper towel just dunk it in that paper towel just dunk it in that ozonated water and then wipe down the ozonated water and then wipe down the countertops countertops you know if you've got little kids and you know if you've got little kids and babies to disinfect their babies to disinfect their their um it just before they were just their um it just before they were just using boiling water right using boiling water right and now you can just use kind of regular and now you can just use kind of regular sink water in a way sink water in a way and have to use the ozone and bubble it and have to use the ozone and bubble it up and up and you know you can also ozonate the water you know you can also ozonate the water separately just for drinking separately just for drinking to get that extra oxygen into your water to get that extra oxygen into your water that way that way i'm into your body that way so there are i'm into your body that way so there are a whole host of ways to do it and a whole host of ways to do it and these devices that we're making are very these devices that we're making are very affordable affordable and certainly we're coming out with new and certainly we're coming out with new another there's another another there's another two applications we're gonna make a a two applications we're gonna make a a shower head shower head that you can actually plug the same tube that you can actually plug the same tube into so when you're taking a shower into so when you're taking a shower it ozonates the air you know the water it ozonates the air you know the water and you get it into your skin that way and you get it into your skin that way but um not everybody likes to take but um not everybody likes to take tubs but if you do like to bathe the

tubs but if you do like to bathe the one of the greatest ways is just to get one of the greatest ways is just to get the ozone right into your bathtub the ozone right into your bathtub it's pretty amazing i am gonna have to it's pretty amazing i am gonna have to try that i never thought of that try that i never thought of that i'm really glad that we talked today i'm really glad that we talked today about that i guess about that i guess i guess that's another reason for us to i guess that's another reason for us to get back on with a get back on with a with a interview like this in the future with a interview like this in the future see how see how a follow-up right absolutely absolutely a follow-up right absolutely absolutely yeah you have lots of really cool tools yeah you have lots of really cool tools we haven't even discussed all of them we haven't even discussed all of them today you have so many little today you have so many little interesting biohacking tools so i wanted interesting biohacking tools so i wanted to to offer a group discount to everyone offer a group discount to everyone listening to the myertox community listening to the myertox community if you guys want to get a 10 discount if you guys want to get a 10 discount go to your website therisage.com go to your website therisage.com discount slash myersdetox discount slash myersdetox and you'll go to a page you can see all and you'll go to a page you can see all you know everything we talked about like you know everything we talked about like the saunas the saunas the the ozone devices and the the ozone devices and the red light devices and there's just

the red light devices and there's just so many different uses for these so many different uses for these multiple uses multiple uses for each one of these tools and you just for each one of these tools and you just get a lot get a lot lot out of them great well it's my lot out of them great well it's my pleasure pleasure and by the way um don't offer this to and by the way um don't offer this to everybody but everybody but because we're so close and certainly for because we're so close and certainly for anybody in your downline anybody in your downline i created a 12-page reference guide i created a 12-page reference guide to use the infrared sauna and if they to use the infrared sauna and if they contact you contact you and i'll just give it to you for you and i'll just give it to you for you know for your distribution know for your distribution you can offer this special gift which you can offer this special gift which gives gives everybody you know just the best hacking everybody you know just the best hacking ways to stack things and the ways to use ways to stack things and the ways to use sauna sauna that will give them the best experience that will give them the best experience oh fantastic yeah and everyone don't oh fantastic yeah and everyone don't forget to use forget to use code myersdetox at checkout also code myersdetox at checkout also yeah as well and uh robbie's site is yeah as well and uh robbie's site is therisage.com t-h-e-r-a-s-a-g-e just make sure you get the the spelling just make sure you get the the spelling right slash discount slash myers detox

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What Makes Infrared Sauna Different

Infrared sauna is different because it is built around light, not only hot air. Traditional hot rock saunas and steam rooms rely on convection heat. The element warms the air, the air warms the surface of the skin, and that surface heat gradually raises core temperature enough to produce sweat. It can be effective, but the pathway is indirect.

It actually shakes up and mobilizes all these toxins that are inside of you.

Infrared works with wavelengths from the sunlight spectrum. In the source discussion, Besner describes those wavelengths as moving through the surface layer and interacting more directly with water in the body. That distinction matters because the body is water-rich. When infrared light meets that internal environment, the session becomes more than a hot room.

Full-spectrum infrared aims to capture a wider range of those frequencies. Besner frames it as a sunlight-inspired approach, designed to bring selected natural frequencies into a controlled sanctuary. The goal is not to recreate the sun in full. It is to use specific infrared wavelengths to support warmth, circulation, sweat, and recovery in a deliberate way.

The conversation also references Dr. Gerald Pollack’s work on water and infrared light. Besner connects that idea to the body’s internal water environment, describing infrared as a frequency that resonates with water and helps create a more responsive internal state. In plain terms, the session is intended to help the body feel more open, supple, and ready to recover.

Warmth also changes circulation. As tissues warm, vessels dilate, and more blood can move through the body. Besner describes this as a way to expose organs and tissues to more of what the blood carries, including nutrients from food and supplements. Better circulation supports a clearer sense of vitality because delivery and removal both improve.

This is one reason infrared sauna can feel different from ordinary heat. The experience is not only the temperature on the skin. It is the gradual internal rise, the sweat, the softening of tension, and the shift toward a more receptive state. The body moves from holding to releasing.

That release is the foundation of the detox conversation. Besner describes infrared as mobilizing what has built up inside the body, then using sweat as an exit route. We hold that claim with practical precision: sauna is a support, not a standalone cure. Its strength lies in consistency, tolerance, and the quiet discipline of returning to the ritual.

Infrared sauna also meets a modern absence. Many people move from indoor homes to cars to offices, spending less time in natural light and less time sweating through movement. A sauna session creates a contained pause where heat and light become intentional again. In a compressed life, that pause has power.

Stacking Therapies Into One Protocol

The value of stacking begins with time. Besner asks a practical question: if someone can give 30 minutes to a sauna session, what else can support the body during that same window. That question changes the shape of the ritual. Instead of separate appointments and scattered practices, the sauna becomes a sanctuary for layered support.

Stacking is not the same as adding everything at once without thought. Order, dose, and timing shape the quality of the result. Besner makes this point clearly in the conversation: the way a protocol is sequenced can separate a moderate result from a much stronger one. The combination matters because the body receives therapies in context.

Heat creates that context. When infrared warms tissues and encourages vasodilation, circulation increases, and the body can move blood more actively through organs and muscles. That circulation may help oxygen and nutrients reach tissues with more ease. The felt outcome is recovery that feels more complete, because the system is not working in fragments.

This is why the protocol is best understood as a calm detox circuit. The sauna provides heat and sweat. Ozone adds an oxygen-focused element. Red light adds targeted light support. Each layer has its own purpose, but the experience is designed as one integrated sequence rather than three disconnected tasks.

The intention is efficiency without urgency. A well-built protocol does not ask you to rush. It asks you to create the right conditions, then remain still long enough for the body to respond. Thirty minutes becomes a container for circulation, oxygenation, light exposure, sweat, and reset.

Besner describes the combination as a way to amplify each modality. In practical terms, heat can make the body more receptive, and the added therapies can meet that receptivity with specific support. The point is not to do more for the sake of more. The point is to make the session precise.

This precision is where protocol becomes mastery. A wellness ritual gains power when it respects sequence. The same tools can feel scattered when used randomly, or intentional when layered with care. Combination is not excess when every element earns its place.

The order that you do things in and the way that you dose what you do can make all the difference.

For people building a longevity practice, that distinction is central. Recovery must fit real life, or it does not last. A stacked sauna session compresses support into a single deliberate appointment with yourself. It turns recovery from a list of obligations into one coherent practice.

Ozone, Red Light, and Mitochondrial Support

Ozone enters the protocol as an oxygen-focused addition to heat. In the source conversation, Wendy Myers frames ozone as a way to oxygenate tissues, while Besner connects oxygen therapy to the broader question of aging and vitality. The aim is straightforward: support oxygen availability while the sauna has already increased warmth and circulation.

Besner also discusses nitric oxide, which he describes as a vasodilator that helps small vessels expand and supports the blood’s ability to hold more oxygen when it is available. He notes that the body produces less nitric oxide after age 30. When oxygen delivery feels supported, the practical outcome is clearer vitality and better recovery capacity.

The pairing matters because heat already invites circulation. When vessels open and blood moves more freely, an oxygen-focused layer has a more receptive environment. The sauna is not simply a backdrop. It is part of the delivery logic of the protocol.

Red light adds another dimension. In the discussion, red light therapy is described as powerful for reducing inflammation and charging mitochondria. Mitochondria are the parts of the cell associated with energy production; when they receive support, the outcome people notice is steadier energy, clearer recovery, and a stronger sense of resilience.

Light matters because many people do not receive enough natural sunlight across seasons, work patterns, or indoor living. Red light therapy gives the body a focused light input within the same recovery window. It complements the infrared sauna’s warmth with a different spectrum of support. The ritual becomes layered, but still calm.

The combined protocol brings together heat, oxygen, and light. Heat supports sweat and circulation. Ozone brings an oxygen-centered focus. Red light supports inflammation balance and mitochondrial function, with the plain-language outcome of more energy for repair. Together, they form a recovery practice built around readiness and adaptation.

This does not mean intensity should lead. The body responds best when the protocol respects tolerance. Start gently, especially if detox work is new or if the system already feels burdened. Shorter sessions, lower exposure, and steady hydration can make the practice more sustainable.

We're just charging these little batteries inside of us.

Consistency is the real amplifier. One ambitious session cannot replace a rhythm the body can trust. A detox protocol becomes meaningful when it is repeatable, measured, and aligned with how you feel that day. The aim is not to force release. The aim is to create conditions for equilibrium.

Infrared sauna, ozone, and red light therapy each bring a distinct form of support. Layered with care, they become more than a collection of tools. They become a sanctuary for oxygenation, circulation, mitochondrial support, and recovery. In that stillness, the body has space to reset.

Wim's Wise Words

A second take, from someone who's lived it.

If you take one thing from this, make it this: stacking only works when your body can actually receive it. Heat, ozone, and red light can become a precise protocol, but precision starts with restraint. The strongest session is not the one with the most inputs. It is the one you can repeat without feeling depleted afterward.

I would start with the sauna as the anchor. Ten to twenty minutes. Comfortable heat. Enough time to sweat, not enough to prove a point. Add red light first if you want a cleaner entry into stacking; it pairs well with stillness and does not ask much from you. If you want a broader infrared foundation before layering more, read Infrared as Daily Protocol next.

Where I’d Be Careful

Ozone deserves more respect than most wellness tools. I would not treat it as a casual upgrade because it sounds advanced. Dose, delivery, timing, equipment, and ventilation matter. If you are new to it, keep the protocol simple and get qualified guidance, especially if your system already feels sensitive. More oxygen-focused support is not automatically better. Better is better.

Pay attention to the hour after the session. That is where the truth usually shows up. You want steadier breathing, softer muscles, warmer hands and feet, clearer focus, and a calm drop in pace. If you feel wired, heavy, headachy, or oddly flat, reduce the heat, shorten the session, or remove one layer. Your body is giving you useful data. Listen before you optimize.

I also care more about the exit than most people do. Cool down slowly. Drink water with minerals. Do not rush from heat into a full calendar. A detox ritual asks the body to mobilize and release; recovery asks you to give that process space. None of this replaces sleep, food quality, movement, or a clean daily environment. The protocol supports the foundation. It does not become the foundation.

My own preference is evening heat when the day has carried too much noise. Twenty minutes of sauna does what an evening drink pretends to do: it changes the state without stealing from tomorrow. Add light when you want clarity. Add oxygen-focused work only when the basics already feel steady.

Sequence matters, but sensitivity matters more. Build the ritual slowly enough that your body trusts it. That is where adaptation begins.