#113 - How Peptides & Bioregulators Are Revolutionizing the Medical Industry | Dr. Kent Holtorf | Vitruvian

Video·Joy Kong MD·8 min read·January 14, 2025

A grounded look at Dr. Kent Holtorf’s path from complex illness into peptide medicine, and why bioregulators may reshape protocols for resilience, tissue repair, and longevity.

From Illness To Inquiry

A life in medicine can begin with certainty, then be remade by the body’s refusal to follow a simple script. Dr. Kent Holtorf entered training with the same evidence-based discipline that shapes conventional care. He trusted the system he had been taught to trust. Then Lyme disease, Babesia, Bartonella, and heart failure altered the terms of his life.

The illness was not abstract. Talking to patients became exhausting. Walking upstairs became a test of will. His heart, affected by fibrosis in the setting of infection and inflammation, could not fill as it should. The physician became the patient, and the patient could not function.

That crisis created a new kind of inquiry. Holtorf had been trained to view integrative and alternative medicine as unsupported. Like many physicians, he absorbed a clear hierarchy of evidence and authority. Yet the consultations he sought inside the standard system did not restore his capacity, and the explanations he received did not match the reality of his decline.

I couldn't stand up straight. I couldn't walk upstairs.

When the expected path no longer held, he began looking elsewhere. He traveled for protocols that were not yet part of ordinary American practice, testing ideas with the urgency of someone who needed function, not theory. Some interventions helped and then faded. Others opened a door, but did not keep it open.

In Europe, he encountered peptides. He did not arrive as a believer. He tried them with limited expectation, then noticed a change within days. Walking upstairs felt different. The body offered a signal that his training had not prepared him to receive, and he followed it with precision.

The improvement did not make him less evidence-based. It made him more demanding about what evidence must answer. Recovery is not an ideology; it is function returning to tissue, breath, movement, and attention. For Holtorf, peptides became part of a larger protocol for adaptation, repair, and the restoration of a life that had narrowed too far.

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peptides are protein which are chains of amino acids arbitrarily if it's less amino acids arbitrarily if it's less than 40 or 50 the majority of peptides than 40 or 50 the majority of peptides that we utilize are are shorter than that we utilize are are shorter than that but they're generally attached to that but they're generally attached to the cell surface which then have the cell surface which then have secondary Messengers and have by secondary Messengers and have by pleotrophic effects multiple effects pleotrophic effects multiple effects they kind of have like a supplement they kind of have like a supplement effect rather than a med tend to have a effect rather than a med tend to have a very narrow which actually think would very narrow which actually think would be safer but actually makes it more be safer but actually makes it more dangerous and risk for side effects but dangerous and risk for side effects but like supplements kind of like food they like supplements kind of like food they have multiple effects they're more have multiple effects they're more specific but also much more potent hello specific but also much more potent hello welcome back to Dr Joy col podcast so welcome back to Dr Joy col podcast so today I have the one and only Dr Kent today I have the one and only Dr Kent hwarf so Dr Kent I am so happy you're hwarf so Dr Kent I am so happy you're here I can tell you um I've known you here I can tell you um I've known you for years and you are quite an for years and you are quite an impressive individual so thank you for impressive individual so thank you for being here thank you for making the being here thank you for making the exception to Brilliance for this time I exception to Brilliance for this time I appre appreciate it yeah we go way back

appre appreciate it yeah we go way back it's interesting yeah I love thank you it's interesting yeah I love thank you for having me yeah absolutely I mean we for having me yeah absolutely I mean we met about seven years ago and the time met about seven years ago and the time that you were just you know talking that you were just you know talking about all these pep ties and very few about all these pep ties and very few people were talking about peptides and people were talking about peptides and it was so impressive it's like wow this it was so impressive it's like wow this whole world so you've delved into whole world so you've delved into different Cutting Edge stuff long before different Cutting Edge stuff long before a lot of people and you've been well a lot of people and you've been well regarded as a Pioneer and educ Ator and regarded as a Pioneer and educ Ator and leader in quite a wide array of areas of leader in quite a wide array of areas of medicine so I want to give the audience medicine so I want to give the audience kind of a brief understanding of just kind of a brief understanding of just how much how accomplished you are so you how much how accomplished you are so you are an innovator and um also a a leader are an innovator and um also a a leader and educator and entrepreneur so and educator and entrepreneur so apparently you've LED 23 different um uh apparently you've LED 23 different um uh centers and 12 franchises and you're the centers and 12 franchises and you're the owner of found ER of integrated peptides

owner of found ER of integrated peptides but you have done so much in advancing but you have done so much in advancing different areas of medicine and you have different areas of medicine and you have also G through your own health Journey also G through your own health Journey which probably helped you to be as which probably helped you to be as driven as you are in seeking Innovative driven as you are in seeking Innovative therapies to to really help people to therapies to to really help people to suffer less so um so happy to have you suffer less so um so happy to have you on the show but yeah it's all really for on the show but yeah it's all really for selfish reasons because I could not selfish reasons because I could not function I was you know uh so sick I function I was you know uh so sick I couldn't practice medicine uh talking to couldn't practice medicine uh talking to a patient was just so exhausting I had a patient was just so exhausting I had Li aesia bartella uh was very Li aesia bartella uh was very evidencebased I'm still very evidencebased I'm still very evidencebased but go to the university evidencebased but go to the university doctors that you look up to and they go doctors that you look up to and they go you must be depressed I'm like no um and you must be depressed I'm like no um and they couldn't help me but you know in they couldn't help me but you know in medical school like a lot of places it medical school like a lot of places it was drilled into us that anything was drilled into us that anything alternative alternative integrative uh uh you know uh basically integrative uh uh you know uh basically was qu was met no evidence and so I

was qu was met no evidence and so I believed that so I wasn't going to go to believed that so I wasn't going to go to these alternative conferences but then I these alternative conferences but then I went into heart failure and my heart went into heart failure and my heart because actually um with the um babisia because actually um with the um babisia and the martinella and High human show and the martinella and High human show grow Factor beta which caused fibrosis grow Factor beta which caused fibrosis of my heart so my heart would not fill of my heart so my heart would not fill and it was just fibrose and it was ter I and it was just fibrose and it was ter I couldn't I couldn't stand up straight I couldn't I couldn't stand up straight I couldn't walk upstairs just sweating couldn't walk upstairs just sweating like going one mile an hour you know to like going one mile an hour you know to nowhere and so I was going to I I'm not nowhere and so I was going to I I'm not going to live like this was it in going to live like this was it in medical school that you had this or was medical school that you had this or was it after you became a full-fledged I it after you became a full-fledged I know you were an an anesthesiologist know you were an an anesthesiologist well that's why I went into anesthesia well that's why I went into anesthesia because talking to a patient was so because talking to a patient was so exhausting I said okay maybe I can do exhausting I said okay maybe I can do anesthesia they're asleep you don't have anesthesia they're asleep you don't have to speak to them but I forgot how you to speak to them but I forgot how you have you get up really early but I just have you get up really early but I just the fact where I'm just like I could not the fact where I'm just like I could not function like you know having lime is function like you know having lime is the worst thing ever but heart failure the worst thing ever but heart failure and top of it is just horrible so I was

and top of it is just horrible so I was going to off myself on Halloween and I going to off myself on Halloween and I said well I'll go around the world and said well I'll go around the world and look for treatments that you know the look for treatments that you know the help to cure myself but if I don't I you help to cure myself but if I don't I you know good like and uh and so kind of know good like and uh and so kind of went around the world some great went around the world some great treatments like I went down to Porto treatments like I went down to Porto aarta and in the lime uh was it lime aarta and in the lime uh was it lime Mexico and um well Omar moral is awesome Mexico and um well Omar moral is awesome I brought down lime antigens and we um I brought down lime antigens and we um basically basically uh culture my white cells and stimulated uh culture my white cells and stimulated them to the lime antigen so we had this them to the lime antigen so we had this you know the whole thing going it worked you know the whole thing going it worked really well we tried to freeze it and really well we tried to freeze it and use it multiple times we screwed that up use it multiple times we screwed that up but it was good so a lot of treatments but it was good so a lot of treatments that worked but they didn't last and I that worked but they didn't last and I was in then I went uh through Europe and was in then I went uh through Europe and Belgium and I did some peptides I didn't Belgium and I did some peptides I didn't really think of any of it and I'm like really think of any of it and I'm like okay I'll just do it and then about okay I'll just do it and then about three or four days later I walked up the three or four days later I walked up the stairs I'm like wait a minute what the stairs I'm like wait a minute what the heck is going on it couldn't be a know

heck is going on it couldn't be a know it couldn't be and I went back and did it couldn't be and I went back and did them again I'm like oh my God I feel them again I'm like oh my God I feel even better so and kind I extended my even better so and kind I extended my stage I'm just like you know doing all stage I'm just like you know doing all the peptides I'm like oh my God this is the peptides I'm like oh my God this is amazing took about a year to get them um amazing took about a year to get them um into the US and that's how I met um Ryan into the US and that's how I met um Ryan at Taylor Maid and said hey let me speak at Taylor Maid and said hey let me speak for you get these peptides and uh and so for you get these peptides and uh and so uh kind of that helped them I mean not uh kind of that helped them I mean not take get CR but they're they're amazing take get CR but they're they're amazing and just kind of set the journey and it and just kind of set the journey and it it's really helped I kind of in the back it's really helped I kind of in the back of my mind felt that hey this illness of my mind felt that hey this illness will be a good thing at some point but will be a good thing at some point but you're in it with Lyme disease and Bia you're in it with Lyme disease and Bia bartella uh it is horrible and then bartella uh it is horrible and then heart failure on top of it and you so heart failure on top of it and you so the the cardiologist said maybe in 10 the the cardiologist said maybe in 10 years you can get 10% better with with years you can get 10% better with with just extensive cardiac rehab right and just extensive cardiac rehab right and uh and then so after about less than a uh and then so after about less than a year I went back into his office year I went back into his office standing up he goes well that's standing up he goes well that's interesting get on face that and they do

interesting get on face that and they do it Echo it's pretty normal and he was it Echo it's pretty normal and he was okay see you a year he didn't ask me okay see you a year he didn't ask me what I did didn't didn't do anything he what I did didn't didn't do anything he was not curious why you were doing you was not curious why you were doing you know you see it with with these standard know you see it with with these standard docks wow but uh yeah it's just like and docks wow but uh yeah it's just like and you know and I found when you you I'm you know and I found when you you I'm sure you see this too if patients you sure you see this too if patients you know multi-stem illness and they seen 20 know multi-stem illness and they seen 20 doctors they go uh and you send them doctors they go uh and you send them back to their doctor better you think back to their doctor better you think the doctor's going to be happy no are the doctor's going to be happy no are not uh it's a strange thing but um you not uh it's a strange thing but um you know uh you know standard medicine know uh you know standard medicine they're in a very bad system that they they're in a very bad system that they can't give good care it's like can't give good care it's like impossible and it's getting worse so um impossible and it's getting worse so um we'll see if anything changes here in we'll see if anything changes here in the near the near future yeah it's fascinating because future yeah it's fascinating because both of you you and I were educated in both of you you and I were educated in that system and we were really not that system and we were really not equipped in getting people well to heal equipped in getting people well to heal on the fundamental level we know how to on the fundamental level we know how to keep them hanging there are very few

keep them hanging there are very few chronic conditions that we actually have chronic conditions that we actually have the tools to get them well acute issues the tools to get them well acute issues I think we we were able to make some I think we we were able to make some some good if eyes there you get a broken some good if eyes there you get a broken leg it's a good place if you have leg it's a good place if you have anything out of the box multi- system anything out of the box multi- system forget it um it's just yeah if the forget it um it's just yeah if the doctor doesn't know what it is or how to doctor doesn't know what it is or how to treat it simply uh it doesn't exist it's treat it simply uh it doesn't exist it's a patient's fault and we're getting a patient's fault and we're getting sicker and sicker we're the sickest sicker and sicker we're the sickest country in the world and we spend the country in the world and we spend the most yeah so you you now now you're the most yeah so you you now now you're the the rebel uh you're the but you're the rebel uh you're the but you're leading the the the rebel Camp which I leading the the the rebel Camp which I believe is the mainstream uh some 10 15 believe is the mainstream uh some 10 15 years down the road that's just going to years down the road that's just going to be oh I have to send you one of our PR be oh I have to send you one of our PR t-shirts yeah so how did you turn your t-shirts yeah so how did you turn your life around because obviously you're life around because obviously you're vibrant you you're lecturing everywhere vibrant you you're lecturing everywhere and then you have your own Center and then you have your own Center beautiful place in elag gundo how did beautiful place in elag gundo how did you turn your life around what what did you turn your life around what what did you do

you do originally yes so when I was just originally yes so when I was just feeling horrible again no no exposure to feeling horrible again no no exposure to anything integrative alternative anything integrative alternative Precision functional whatever and uh and Precision functional whatever and uh and I kind of snuck off and I'm like because I kind of snuck off and I'm like because I'm told it's not evidence space I'm I'm told it's not evidence space I'm listening to these lectures and I'm like listening to these lectures and I'm like this is more evidence-based than what this is more evidence-based than what they're teaching me and this is crazy they're teaching me and this is crazy and so I really kind of latched on to and so I really kind of latched on to thyroid and really got into it I think thyroid and really got into it I think it was ruse ruser at that time and then it was ruse ruser at that time and then so I quit anesthesia so I quit anesthesia and just took over uh went to Family and just took over uh went to Family Practice took over a family practice and Practice took over a family practice and opened up the FI optimization Center and opened up the FI optimization Center and we had it was a insurance practice and we had it was a insurance practice and converted to cash less than a year converted to cash less than a year because we had I didn't mark not Market because we had I didn't mark not Market we didn't Market people waiting in line we didn't Market people waiting in line outside the doors because we're just outside the doors because we're just getting so many people better with T3 getting so many people better with T3 and uh you know not not going by the TSH and uh you know not not going by the TSH and uh uh and I'm telling you if any and uh uh and I'm telling you if any know positions out there or patients know positions out there or patients that are sick like almost always the

that are sick like almost always the thyroid is low and uh and treating way thyroid is low and uh and treating way with T3 is just miraculous you combine with T3 is just miraculous you combine if you have learn thyroid and peptides if you have learn thyroid and peptides you will have throw little stem cells in you will have throw little stem cells in there maybe a little ozone you will have there maybe a little ozone you will have patients from everywhere you'll be patients from everywhere you'll be getting patients better I've seen the getting patients better I've seen the most amazing doctors and you know 15 most amazing doctors and you know 15 doctors because they're missing those doctors because they're missing those things and uh you know like with um and things and uh you know like with um and we started the nonprofit naal Academy of we started the nonprofit naal Academy of hypothyroidism just to really show that hypothyroidism just to really show that the way we're practicing diagnosing and the way we're practicing diagnosing and treating fir in this country is wrong treating fir in this country is wrong it's not it's not evidence-based and so like 80% of people evidence-based and so like 80% of people go undiagnosed and all they need is a go undiagnosed and all they need is a little T3 and it's just it it's amazing little T3 and it's just it it's amazing I can go on and I all studies on that I can go on and I all studies on that not a lot of lectures on that so I won't not a lot of lectures on that so I won't I can tend to just go off on that but I can tend to just go off on that but want to cover some other stuff today want to cover some other stuff today well some people say that the thyroid is well some people say that the thyroid is possibly overtreated that well for for

possibly overtreated that well for for anti-aging Arena like everybody has you anti-aging Arena like everybody has you know not no perfect very few people have know not no perfect very few people have perfect t3s right so if you try to perfect t3s right so if you try to optimize T3 and then that suppresses TSH optimize T3 and then that suppresses TSH to a great degree is that too much yeah to a great degree is that too much yeah now TSH is the most worthless now TSH is the most worthless diagnostic uh parameter and you can diagnostic uh parameter and you can overdose that the people that get too overdose that the people that get too much they're on T4 and it's making all much they're on T4 and it's making all this reverse T3 and for instance we can this reverse T3 and for instance we can talk about our thyroid bi regular which talk about our thyroid bi regular which is very interesting or thyro AIS SP is very interesting or thyro AIS SP regulator and uh because what happens regulator and uh because what happens when people are chronically ill with when people are chronically ill with inflammation stress age inflammation inflammation stress age inflammation autoimmunity whatever it may be they get autoimmunity whatever it may be they get pineal hypothalamic pituitary thyroid pineal hypothalamic pituitary thyroid dysfunction so they have a central dysfunction so they have a central hypothyroidism right and so we always hypothyroidism right and so we always think that well it's really easy that think that well it's really easy that with the thyroid was dropped the with the thyroid was dropped the pituitary response increases TSH no it pituitary response increases TSH no it does not it's it it's damaged to even

does not it's it it's damaged to even more than the thyroid so they have uh more than the thyroid so they have uh this is the pattern of a low thyroid this is the pattern of a low thyroid chronically ill chronically inflamed chronically ill chronically inflamed person is a low normal TSH a high normal person is a low normal TSH a high normal T4 and I'll tell you why and then a low T4 and I'll tell you why and then a low normal 3t3 and a high normal reverse G3 normal 3t3 and a high normal reverse G3 but if most doctors will look at that but if most doctors will look at that they go oh you got low normal TSH and a they go oh you got low normal TSH and a high normal T4 oh you're a little high normal T4 oh you're a little hyperthyroid it's the opposite and hyperthyroid it's the opposite and because the thyroid doesn't get because the thyroid doesn't get especially T4 does not get into the cell especially T4 does not get into the cell because of its active transport all the because of its active transport all the integr think is just diffuses in T3 is integr think is just diffuses in T3 is less energy dependent than T4 and also less energy dependent than T4 and also the dionas is would convert T4 to T3 in the dionas is would convert T4 to T3 in the body with any the inflammation age the body with any the inflammation age stress it goes down that the DI type one stress it goes down that the DI type one uh is is down regulated so you get less uh is is down regulated so you get less T4 T3 in the pituitary it goes up it's T4 T3 in the pituitary it goes up it's stimulated so you get more conversion so stimulated so you get more conversion so TSH goes down as the rest of the body TSH goes down as the rest of the body starving for thyroid starving for thyroid and that's you look at depressed

and that's you look at depressed patients for's largest study ever done patients for's largest study ever done on anti-depressant a star report showed on anti-depressant a star report showed that giving T3 was a better that giving T3 was a better anti-depressant than every other anti-depressant than every other anti-depressant less side effects it anti-depressant less side effects it worked when the other ones didn't worked when the other ones didn't another study like bipol or page 135 another study like bipol or page 135 treatment resistant bipolar patients treatment resistant bipolar patients they tried on average 14 different they tried on average 14 different medications no response they gave M T3 medications no response they gave M T3 regardless of their thyroid levels 80% regardless of their thyroid levels 80% responded and 30% total resolution responded and 30% total resolution symp okay so you will feel pretty symp okay so you will feel pretty comfortable just looking at people's comfortable just looking at people's free T3 level then as far as Target now free T3 level then as far as Target now what we we'll do is we'll check what we we'll do is we'll check everyone's basil metabolic rate which is everyone's basil metabolic rate which is the gold standard also the British the gold standard also the British medical journal showed that a medical journal showed that a knowledgeable doctor looking at knowledgeable doctor looking at someone's ankle reflex was a better test someone's ankle reflex was a better test than blood test they correlated with than blood test they correlated with syptoms better they diagnosed people syptoms better they diagnosed people that actually benefited from the that actually benefited from the treatment so how how could that be so a treatment so how how could that be so a normal reflex

normal reflex goes but the lower the the lower the goes but the lower the the lower the tissue level of thyroid the slower the tissue level of thyroid the slower the VX B yeah so we have a computer that VX B yeah so we have a computer that measures that combine that with the measures that combine that with the basil metabolic rate you have your basil metabolic rate you have your diagnosis and if people diet more than diagnosis and if people diet more than three sessions they actually they'll three sessions they actually they'll drop their metabolism their thyroid drop their metabolism their thyroid levels drop and it doesn't go back to levels drop and it doesn't go back to normal even when they go back to normal normal even when they go back to normal eating so people say wck my metabolism eating so people say wck my metabolism they have but they're they're d function they have but they're they're d function tests look normal so so many people need tests look normal so so many people need T3 and it's shown to Red reduce T3 and it's shown to Red reduce cardiovascular disease and wrist factors cardiovascular disease and wrist factors and uh and it's it's just it's one of and uh and it's it's just it's one of those other conspiracies that it's just those other conspiracies that it's just nuts that people aren't doing that nuts that people aren't doing that what's the level that you would Target what's the level that you would Target your patients at for free T3 well I mean your patients at for free T3 well I mean that's just kind of like one parameter that's just kind of like one parameter so it's you got it like we we do all all so it's you got it like we we do all all the tests and symptoms matter a lot too the tests and symptoms matter a lot too check their we know their body check their we know their body temperature and uh and so there's no set

temperature and uh and so there's no set number and you can look at also the free number and you can look at also the free T3 revers ratio T4 T3 people you know T3 revers ratio T4 T3 people you know love all the mathematic stuff and we love all the mathematic stuff and we have H actually a test if you go on na have H actually a test if you go on na hypothyroidism an algorithm that that hypothyroidism an algorithm that that goes through it but um you know it's goes through it but um you know it's it's it's there is you know evidence say it's it's there is you know evidence say you need it but it's also common sense you need it but it's also common sense and the Art of medicine where like and the Art of medicine where like people like we've had some doctors that people like we've had some doctors that you like they're just like well you said you like they're just like well you said that the TSH it doesn't matter like just that the TSH it doesn't matter like just keep giving more no no no what are you keep giving more no no no what are you talking about you know the person talking about you know the person they're racing hard they just keep they're racing hard they just keep giving them more like stop it you know giving them more like stop it you know so it's like being a doctor it's like so it's like being a doctor it's like well like well how do I know what to do well like well how do I know what to do you're a you're a doctor so or even you get like Family doctor so or even you get like Family Practice talks like the TSH is like Practice talks like the TSH is like eight and like I don't know what to do eight and like I don't know what to do like oh my God you know but I don't it's like oh my God you know but I don't it's scary I don't mean to but uh it's we scary I don't mean to but uh it's we we're just like be kicking out of our we're just like be kicking out of our own way you know yeah yeah yeah well I I

own way you know yeah yeah yeah well I I know thyroid is a big subject but know thyroid is a big subject but definitely I want to move on to what definitely I want to move on to what you're really passionate about repti but you're really passionate about repti but before we get there I want to ask you before we get there I want to ask you just one question about iodine because just one question about iodine because there's some controversy out there some there's some controversy out there some people think it's really crucial that people think it's really crucial that you replenish it but someone like Dr uh you replenish it but someone like Dr uh Christensen uh Dr Ramstein yeah I I love Christensen uh Dr Ramstein yeah I I love that man yeah and he said that the the that man yeah and he said that the the modern thyroid the the like the pandemic modern thyroid the the like the pandemic almost you know everywhere in the world almost you know everywhere in the world is because of over supp mation of iodine is because of over supp mation of iodine what's your opinion on this oh he says what's your opinion on this oh he says over sub okay that's the Ki I'm in the over sub okay that's the Ki I'm in the middle well I'm usually never in the middle well I'm usually never in the middle but uh I'm kind of like the Moder middle but uh I'm kind of like the Moder in this one because they both are the ne in this one because they both are the ne of them are lying you know um they're of them are lying you know um they're both telling the truth that you can give both telling the truth that you can give II especially in a Hashimoto patient and II especially in a Hashimoto patient and we'll check everyone's uh year and iying we'll check everyone's uh year and iying them first visit but we don't treat it them first visit but we don't treat it even if it's super low because they have even if it's super low because they have Hashimoto that you give it they can just

Hashimoto that you give it they can just totally flare but if you go very very totally flare but if you go very very slow the iodine will actually reverse slow the iodine will actually reverse the Hashimoto or some some degree we do the Hashimoto or some some degree we do a lot of other things and we'll talk a lot of other things and we'll talk about the thyroid bioregulators so it about the thyroid bioregulators so it does work but it's just it matters the does work but it's just it matters the time frame so if you're just slamming time frame so if you're just slamming people with thyroid or patients will go people with thyroid or patients will go out and get a seaweed you go help with out and get a seaweed you go help with my thyroid and they flare oh see I told my thyroid and they flare oh see I told you but so they both can point at each you but so they both can point at each other say see see see so they're both other say see see see so they're both right it's just you gota you know just right it's just you gota you know just basically okay well miss situation and basically okay well miss situation and just when you go slow it kind of solves just when you go slow it kind of solves the whole problem so really they're both the whole problem so really they're both correct okay great that's the first time correct okay great that's the first time we'll ever be politically correct I'll we'll ever be politically correct I'll never do it never do it again offending no one okay so let's again offending no one okay so let's come and talk about peptid so um you come and talk about peptid so um you have um you know you're dealing with a have um you know you're dealing with a lot of chronic illnesses so you must lot of chronic illnesses so you must have found peptide like a kind of a have found peptide like a kind of a quite a gift we a game Chang and every quite a gift we a game Chang and every doctor that we train on it just it makes

doctor that we train on it just it makes everything getting the sickest patient everything getting the sickest patient even healthy patients from A to B let's even healthy patients from A to B let's say like wine patient instead of doing say like wine patient instead of doing two years of antibiotics you don't eat two years of antibiotics you don't eat antibiotics or you do three months and antibiotics or you do three months and we can't really see practicing medicine we can't really see practicing medicine without it but um of course the uh without it but um of course the uh powers to be would love for you to be powers to be would love for you to be without it but um and uh it's it's a without it but um and uh it's it's a GameChanger I mean change my life change GameChanger I mean change my life change our practice change so many doctors our practice change so many doctors pract so of course now is gaining so pract so of course now is gaining so much popularity I remembered first time much popularity I remembered first time I met you you were talking a lot about I met you you were talking a lot about thymus like all these thymus peptides so thymus like all these thymus peptides so which which are your which which are your favorites interesting um yeah I mean if favorites interesting um yeah I mean if you look at the studies on bioregulators you look at the studies on bioregulators and they probably asked the people and and they probably asked the people and they uh I'm sure they probably said Fus they uh I'm sure they probably said Fus and the pineal and vas and the vessel and the pineal and vas and the vessel probably are three and those have the probably are three and those have the most um uh basic literat on it but we've

most um uh basic literat on it but we've also discovered some new ones including also discovered some new ones including the thyroid axis bioregulators the stem the thyroid axis bioregulators the stem cell cell bioregulators uh a number of them and bioregulators uh a number of them and mitochondria bioregulators what isn't mitochondria bioregulators what isn't out yet but we're very excited about out yet but we're very excited about that so we'll see but even like for that so we'll see but even like for instance the the kidney uh bioregulator instance the the kidney uh bioregulator is that you know I have leftover chronic is that you know I have leftover chronic kidney disease um from chronic lime kidney disease um from chronic lime aesia and that so I'll have um it's aesia and that so I'll have um it's right ttmi but like B earing I'm dumping right ttmi but like B earing I'm dumping protein right if I take a kidney protein right if I take a kidney bioregulator about 6 to 12 hours later bioregulator about 6 to 12 hours later no more phone that lasts for two to five no more phone that lasts for two to five days uh there people on dialysis that days uh there people on dialysis that are off dialysis from it one of our are off dialysis from it one of our employees her mom was on D I tell give employees her mom was on D I tell give her this and I just forgot about it and her this and I just forgot about it and then um she gave it to her mom and she then um she gave it to her mom and she kind of forgot about and all of a sudden kind of forgot about and all of a sudden you know the doctor she God the doctor's you know the doctor she God the doctor's freaking out I don't need analysis you freaking out I don't need analysis you know and uh and it's re reversing all

know and uh and it's re reversing all these people and then that's just that these people and then that's just that organ we have it for brain and uh liver organ we have it for brain and uh liver you know so the reversing liver therosis you know so the reversing liver therosis it's just amazing stuff so for people it's just amazing stuff so for people who are not familiar with bi Regulators who are not familiar with bi Regulators how would you define that yeah so um you how would you define that yeah so um you know peptides are like the protein which know peptides are like the protein which are chains of amino acids arbitrarily if are chains of amino acids arbitrarily if it's less than 40 or the 50 depending on it's less than 40 or the 50 depending on what group you talk to it's a it's pep what group you talk to it's a it's pep pde but um you look at the the majority pde but um you look at the the majority of peptides that we utilize are are of peptides that we utilize are are shorter than that but they're generally shorter than that but they're generally attached to the cell surface which then attached to the cell surface which then have secondary messenger and have have secondary messenger and have pleotrophic effects multiple effects pleotrophic effects multiple effects they kind of have like a supplement they kind of have like a supplement effect rather than a med tend to have a effect rather than a med tend to have a very narrow which actually think would very narrow which actually think would be safer but actually makes it more be safer but actually makes it more dangerous risk for side effects but like dangerous risk for side effects but like supplements kind of like food they have supplements kind of like food they have multiple effects but peptides are just multiple effects but peptides are just they're they're more specific but also

they're they're more specific but also much more potent now bioregulators are a much more potent now bioregulators are a peptide but a subset they're by peptide but a subset they're by definition need to be two to four amino definition need to be two to four amino acids long because they are totally acids long because they are totally bioavailable as long as they're cap so bioavailable as long as they're cap so the body when um because the big thing the body when um because the big thing is we the peptides haven't caught on for is we the peptides haven't caught on for a big reason every was oh this going to a big reason every was oh this going to break down in the gut right and but if break down in the gut right and but if the body needs a peptide or even a the body needs a peptide or even a protein it will cap it it will acetate protein it will cap it it will acetate it and amidate the ends now the enzymes it and amidate the ends now the enzymes do not attach to it and break it down it do not attach to it and break it down it also makes it much more also makes it much more bioavailable and so if you cap those bioavailable and so if you cap those which were all the pezes are all capped which were all the pezes are all capped uh and then there's like stable bpc uh and then there's like stable bpc which is they had the patent on a cated which is they had the patent on a cated cap bpc it ran out so they came out with cap bpc it ran out so they came out with this a bpc salt and called it stable bpc this a bpc salt and called it stable bpc which is brilliant but it really should which is brilliant but it really should be unstable bpc the Arginine bpc it it's be unstable bpc the Arginine bpc it it's nuts but in so they'll go and they work

nuts but in so they'll go and they work differently they work they're very differently they work they're very bioavailable go into the through the gut bioavailable go into the through the gut uh you know in the blood serum then go uh you know in the blood serum then go into the cell and into the cell nucleus into the cell and into the cell nucleus and they'll attach to activators and they'll attach to activators Inhibitors and uh and they'll modulate Inhibitors and uh and they'll modulate the uh basically transcriptions they the uh basically transcriptions they were were epigenetically and then turn genes on epigenetically and then turn genes on turn genes off and nice thing is they turn genes off and nice thing is they they very much tend to CH on the healthy they very much tend to CH on the healthy genes the anti-inflammatory genes genes the anti-inflammatory genes younger genes and turn off the Aging younger genes and turn off the Aging genes and you know uh and that and so genes and you know uh and that and so very protective exceedingly safe most of very protective exceedingly safe most of them take a thousand 100 a thousand them take a thousand 100 a thousand 10,000 times a dose and it's nothing try 10,000 times a dose and it's nothing try that with water you're dead I also work that with water you're dead I also work at Nano and picograms which work you at Nano and picograms which work you know a basically point zero with nine know a basically point zero with nine ones and a one less than a milligram in ones and a one less than a milligram in their effectives so he talk about a

their effectives so he talk about a therapeutic range is is crazy so um and therapeutic range is is crazy so um and people always like oh my God how do I do people always like oh my God how do I do this we're so many I mean you can't this we're so many I mean you can't screw up really I mean uh I'll say that screw up really I mean uh I'll say that with a couple caveats but it's so rare with a couple caveats but it's so rare to have a s side effect with that said to have a s side effect with that said you know lime patients Sears patience you know lime patients Sears patience like even a supplement like glut ofion like even a supplement like glut ofion or something would tell them look at it or something would tell them look at it for a week smell it for a week you know for a week smell it for a week you know lick it and then take you know one 100th lick it and then take you know one 100th of it they so so they'll they can react of it they so so they'll they can react to some of the generally peptides uh and to some of the generally peptides uh and like peptides I think people react like peptides I think people react mostly to are probably discreted dogs or mostly to are probably discreted dogs or growth hormone um but even though growth hormone um but even though they'll react to like ktd what kind of they'll react to like ktd what kind of reactions oh like you know just don't reactions oh like you know just don't tolerate it a kind of a Herer reaction I tolerate it a kind of a Herer reaction I see yeah and like kpv which is see yeah and like kpv which is anti-inflammatory but it boosts the anti-inflammatory but it boosts the immune system antimicrobial I mean they immune system antimicrobial I mean they even react to that which which is pretty even react to that which which is pretty amazing uh bpc 157 probably the most you

amazing uh bpc 157 probably the most you know Common one that people use and but know Common one that people use and but some people do get a little anxiety with some people do get a little anxiety with it you know it could be activating so it you know it could be activating so you know you you go slow but in general you know you you go slow but in general normal people we are we are not uh you normal people we are we are not uh you know um Can occasion people can react know um Can occasion people can react but people like you know when people a but people like you know when people a patient says I'm sensitive you need to patient says I'm sensitive you need to listen to that you know it's like oh you listen to that you know it's like oh you no problem here you go and then they H no problem here you go and then they H your action so so when you give people I your action so so when you give people I say heart bioregulator or or kidney bio say heart bioregulator or or kidney bio regulator I I assume you're giving a regulator I I assume you're giving a group of of peptides my group of Bio group of of peptides my group of Bio Regulators how many bio in a kidney Regulators how many bio in a kidney bioregulator product how many bioregulator product how many bioregulator different kinds of bioregulator different kinds of bioregulators are there yeah so there no bioregulators are there yeah so there no one knows that officially what the like one knows that officially what the like kidney bioregulator the active ingred is kidney bioregulator the active ingred is I'm sure cabison knew or they know but I'm sure cabison knew or they know but they not F anyone but we we found we they not F anyone but we we found we found four now four kidney

found four now four kidney bioregulators um that that work so and bioregulators um that that work so and it is also so there's extracts that you it is also so there's extracts that you so let me give you a little history of so let me give you a little history of the bioregulators when this is po about the bioregulators when this is po about try to be quick but it's very try to be quick but it's very interesting so um when it was during the interesting so um when it was during the Soviet Union the they found that their Soviet Union the they found that their highspeed test pilots or highspeed test pilots or submariners and their um uh who else was submariners and their um uh who else was oh yeah cosmina were aging super fast oh yeah cosmina were aging super fast right and they're like we got to do right and they're like we got to do something here and so they went to uh something here and so they went to uh the the KGB hospital and it worked there the the KGB hospital and it worked there was padav as in pad's dog right and he was padav as in pad's dog right and he was actually into peptides and things was actually into peptides and things and also cavison uh so they worked again and also cavison uh so they worked again they said You shall fix this right and they said You shall fix this right and okay we will either they got superlucky okay we will either they got superlucky or super smart or they were doing you or super smart or they were doing you know some uh studies of this area but

know some uh studies of this area but they found that taking the thymus um they found that taking the thymus um basic is the breast bone which modulates basic is the breast bone which modulates the immune system and that's what the immune system and that's what happens as you get older you have th1 happens as you get older you have th1 here get Stu inside the cell T this is here get Stu inside the cell T this is very over simplification but T to get very over simplification but T to get Stu outside the cell as you get older as Stu outside the cell as you get older as you get sick as you get inflamed you get you get sick as you get inflamed you get stressed it goes like this so you can't stressed it goes like this so you can't fight intercell infections with a th1 we fight intercell infections with a th1 we have all this th2 have all this th2 inflammation uh and that causes then inflammation uh and that causes then this vicious cycle of Ideal dysfunction this vicious cycle of Ideal dysfunction imation coagulation mitochondrial imation coagulation mitochondrial dysfunction now you can you know just so dysfunction now you can you know just so those R around so do you snap that back those R around so do you snap that back and that's the thus that's with giving and that's the thus that's with giving thus um basically now you just anti-age thus um basically now you just anti-age the whole system even the CDC says that the whole system even the CDC says that uh age individuals have at least one uh age individuals have at least one chronic illness due to involution of the chronic illness due to involution of the thymus and they're trying to do these thymus and they're trying to do these things like you know revive the things like you know revive the and all this stuff just give thic

and all this stuff just give thic peptide it's cheap it's easy it's safe peptide it's cheap it's easy it's safe and you just you basically anti-age them and you just you basically anti-age them and and fix their immune system now they and and fix their immune system now they can fight cancers it will eliminate and can fight cancers it will eliminate and this immune modulation that c that this immune modulation that c that happens the abnormal is the cause of happens the abnormal is the cause of these diseases of aging and like we can these diseases of aging and like we can just stop all that stuff and it's just just stop all that stuff and it's just amazing that they don't do it so but and amazing that they don't do it so but and so they found that it was very effective so they found that it was very effective and but it was a Soviet Secret right and but it was a Soviet Secret right they gave it to the military uh the they gave it to the military uh the Olympic team Olympic team did pretty Olympic team Olympic team did pretty well at that time and uh then with all well at that time and uh then with all the Soviet Union um they started the Soviet Union um they started publishing but was in Russian it was publishing but was in Russian it was going to pay attention right but going to pay attention right but thousands of studies of this stuff thousands of studies of this stuff thousands of thousands and I'm trying to thousands of thousands and I'm trying to find a little Russian I'm horrible I find a little Russian I'm horrible I said Denis ver and then it started again said Denis ver and then it started again people started noticing like hey what's people started noticing like hey what's going on here so then started getting going on here so then started getting more and more and then uh cavon that more and more and then uh cavon that took the lead and kind of you know took the lead and kind of you know brought it to the US and it's just I brought it to the US and it's just I mean I think God I would not be here mean I think God I would not be here would have I'd be dead with without would have I'd be dead with without these things so were they taking

these things so were they taking different ens and getting extracts and different ens and getting extracts and and analy so yeah so they focused on the and analy so yeah so they focused on the extracts and so but it's it's expensive extracts and so but it's it's expensive it's you got like you know basically one it's you got like you know basically one at a time so it's like they're they have at a time so it's like they're they have 21 or 24 dep you know and but you got 21 or 24 dep you know and but you got take 24 pills but if you can isolate the take 24 pills but if you can isolate the active now instead of taking 20 active now instead of taking 20 milligrams you take 100 micrograms okay milligrams you take 100 micrograms okay so you know basically um 2,000 fold less so you know basically um 2,000 fold less so with that and very very little side so with that and very very little side effects and you know people get so tired effects and you know people get so tired of taking so many pills but so we're of taking so many pills but so we're combining them for instance with the combining them for instance with the cnip pep we have you know four or five cnip pep we have you know four or five you know different parts for the for the you know different parts for the for the brain pineap the same thing so we're brain pineap the same thing so we're putting anywhere from four to nine of putting anywhere from four to nine of these things together and we're able to these things together and we're able to do it at a much more economical price do it at a much more economical price because we're not having to pull the because we're not having to pull the extracts out of all these things okay

extracts out of all these things okay yeah so the bioregulator products that yeah so the bioregulator products that people are using these days are actually people are using these days are actually synthetic using the natural um and the synthetic using the natural um and the problem was they're all in Russian right problem was they're all in Russian right and and it's like what the heck is that and and it's like what the heck is that you know you try to you someone tells you know you try to you someone tells you what it is you got to check all the you what it is you got to check all the time and then Nature's Marvel which I time and then Nature's Marvel which I love love the company basically put it love love the company basically put it in English so you know there there's in English so you know there there's heart there's vessel there's brain heart there's vessel there's brain there's ovary there's liver there's there's ovary there's liver there's muscle so these people know but you got muscle so these people know but you got all these pills that you're just taking all these pills that you're just taking you know and they try to make it so they you know and they try to make it so they you rotate so you're not overwhelmed but you rotate so you're not overwhelmed but um you know it's I don't know if it's um you know it's I don't know if it's really metal it's really a financial really metal it's really a financial thing so really it is so uh look better thing so really it is so uh look better the effect is so much better and cheaper the effect is so much better and cheaper and cost effective combining you know and cost effective combining you know all these ones and like okay you got a all these ones and like okay you got a brain issue oh here the five or six that brain issue oh here the five or six that need to be given for the brain for

need to be given for the brain for fertility here's the fertility you know fertility here's the fertility you know formula or anti-aging formula which formula or anti-aging formula which includes a bunch of stuff and stem cell includes a bunch of stuff and stem cell bioregulators you know okay so I assume bioregulators you know okay so I assume initially when you started doing initially when you started doing peptides you were doing subcutaneous peptides you were doing subcutaneous injections uh we're actually doing IB we injections uh we're actually doing IB we started with IB yeah we're get them out started with IB yeah we're get them out of Germany and uh we call them cular of Germany and uh we call them cular peptide people just loved them and and peptide people just loved them and and then also we couldn't get them but uh uh then also we couldn't get them but uh uh they were great and we I was at a they were great and we I was at a speaking at a conference in Thailand I speaking at a conference in Thailand I ran into them again I'm like we need ran into them again I'm like we need your stuff and they're like we're scared your stuff and they're like we're scared you know I'm scared let's do so but uh you know I'm scared let's do so but uh interesting yeah yeah why were they interesting yeah yeah why were they scared oh just just dealing with the US scared oh just just dealing with the US that they're G the US will come down I'm that they're G the US will come down I'm like you know the worst thing you do is like you know the worst thing you do is is heal patients and um and like they is heal patients and um and like they you know with the portation they'll just you know with the portation they'll just they won't let it in they'll lose their

they won't let it in they'll lose their they company their stuff I see yeah and they company their stuff I see yeah and then uh somehow you transitioned to then uh somehow you transitioned to producing a lot of peptides or supplying producing a lot of peptides or supplying peptides in the uh po format so taken by peptides in the uh po format so taken by mouth how did you make that switch well mouth how did you make that switch well yeah I mean I'm always interested in how yeah I mean I'm always interested in how to do it I mean I uh got tired of doing to do it I mean I uh got tired of doing 50 shots a day you know and uh you do 50 shots a day you know and uh you do get fatigued and so essentially hired a get fatigued and so essentially hired a army of FDA attorneys who was pretty army of FDA attorneys who was pretty much the answer and it is harder to find much the answer and it is harder to find a good attorney that it is a good doctor a good attorney that it is a good doctor it's hard to find a good doctor so yeah it's hard to find a good doctor so yeah it's funny it's like people you know the it's funny it's like people you know the Specialists don't know medicine uh Specialists don't know medicine uh attorneys don't know law so it's just attorneys don't know law so it's just interesting I I've seen that yeah so you interesting I I've seen that yeah so you you felt that a lot of these peptides you felt that a lot of these peptides could be given by mouth no I know they could be given by mouth no I know they give be by mouth uh and but there's

give be by mouth uh and but there's people giving stuff by mouth and people giving stuff by mouth and sublingual with no basis you know if sublingual with no basis you know if something is four amino acids or less it something is four amino acids or less it has a okay chance but there's a lot of has a okay chance but there's a lot of variables and you get there's a lot of variables and you get there's a lot of algorithms you can do there it you can algorithms you can do there it you can test them and we just purchased a very test them and we just purchased a very sistic lab of the University at insata sistic lab of the University at insata uh where we're going to be able to do uh where we're going to be able to do all all these tests like this directly all all these tests like this directly instead of I trying to uh you know guess instead of I trying to uh you know guess with a a big degree of likelihood but with a a big degree of likelihood but I'm telling you no one even it's rare I'm telling you no one even it's rare that other po the disparity but uh test that other po the disparity but uh test even the Purity but let alone even the Purity but let alone bioavailability but they're putting like bioavailability but they're putting like sublingual a you know 34 amino acid sublingual a you know 34 amino acid peptide it there's no way it's going to peptide it there's no way it's going to absorb and they'll say liposomal they absorb and they'll say liposomal they take some letin and shake it up and go take some letin and shake it up and go oh here's liposomal anything absorb oh here's liposomal anything absorb that's we get it it's quite we could do

that's we get it it's quite we could do it I'd do it but uh it's not it doesn't it I'd do it but uh it's not it doesn't work and we test the heck out of work and we test the heck out of everything and again we just invested sa everything and again we just invested sa amount of money that we're going to be amount of money that we're going to be able to do some more sophisticated test able to do some more sophisticated test uh in the Western Hemisphere on uh in the Western Hemisphere on bioavailability and uh doing clinical bioavailability and uh doing clinical trials and things like that so we got a trials and things like that so we got a number of places that were doing number of places that were doing satellite clinical trials as well we' satellite clinical trials as well we' been doing a lot of things with veterans been doing a lot of things with veterans and found some unique things about and found some unique things about veterans that I had no idea about uh veterans that I had no idea about uh that why they're all sick and uh it that why they're all sick and uh it incredible stuff yeah so are you only incredible stuff yeah so are you only focusing on particular kinds of peptides focusing on particular kinds of peptides using those in a in a a PO format or do using those in a in a a PO format or do oh no no no yeah I think you got the oh no no no yeah I think you got the confused but no we use everything and confused but no we use everything and it's not just beti too I mean we use it's not just beti too I mean we use meds and we're you know like big guns if meds and we're you know like big guns if we need them you know I I mean uh we need them you know I I mean uh everything's is a tool in the toolbox

everything's is a tool in the toolbox and these have to be very good now I'm and these have to be very good now I'm I'm not an ideal hug like oh it's got to I'm not an ideal hug like oh it's got to be oral like you know no heck uh be oral like you know no heck uh injectable for a lot of things some injectable for a lot of things some people like injectable oh let's say with people like injectable oh let's say with like bpc they think injectable works like bpc they think injectable works better other people oh they think po better other people oh they think po works better if you look at the studies works better if you look at the studies head to-head all the studies like head head to-head all the studies like head to-head with BBC is unique because it's to-head with BBC is unique because it's 14 amino acids it theoretically should 14 amino acids it theoretically should not absorb but it absorbs very well when not absorb but it absorbs very well when it's capped and the studies show that it's capped and the studies show that for systemic effect giving a capped oral for systemic effect giving a capped oral versus a synthetic dose whether it's um versus a synthetic dose whether it's um intra paranal I subq it's equipotent um intra paranal I subq it's equipotent um okay but yeah I'm not uh I I use what okay but yeah I'm not uh I I use what works I'm a clinician I'm not uh you works I'm a clinician I'm not uh you know trying to push one way or the other know trying to push one way or the other but we'll do what whatever works well but we'll do what whatever works well there are people who have objections there are people who have objections about the the oral forms because they're about the the oral forms because they're not sure how well they could be absorbed

not sure how well they could be absorbed because the classical way is putting because the classical way is putting directly in the body through and that's directly in the body through and that's that's fair um that you know well we can that's fair um that you know well we can say about a lot of they okay just well say about a lot of they okay just well we better injected to make sure but how we better injected to make sure but how do we know um we do have some tests not do we know um we do have some tests not you know uh not t but it's the effect you know uh not t but it's the effect that you know how many people get better that you know how many people get better uh with oral you know it's definitely I uh with oral you know it's definitely I mean placeo always has an effect but mean placeo always has an effect but it's way way way way above that um it's way way way way above that um especially people that uh are sick you especially people that uh are sick you know the chronically ill patient know the chronically ill patient multi-stem they they don't respond to multi-stem they they don't respond to Placebo it's a noo they actually have a Placebo it's a noo they actually have a negative response to it so you know negative response to it so you know they've been sick forever they've taken they've been sick forever they've taken hundreds or thousands of meds and they hundreds or thousands of meds and they take this and they get better oh Placebo take this and they get better oh Placebo unlikely so unlikely so which of the peptides are actually good which of the peptides are actually good to be used in oral form um what about

to be used in oral form um what about per and CJC what about per and CJC what about maty no maybe uh we're trying to do some maty no maybe uh we're trying to do some studies but uh likely no without studies but uh likely no without alteration um so they have to be altered alteration um so they have to be altered which is an analog to have them that's which is an analog to have them that's what that's what they do in big farma so what that's what they do in big farma so they alter them so now that they can they alter them so now that they can absorb but now it's not a supplement absorb but now it's not a supplement it's a m so and uh anything injected it's a m so and uh anything injected nasal nasal sublingual uh I uh is by definition of sublingual uh I uh is by definition of medication so most things that are meds medication so most things that are meds are meds um and uh there's happens to be are meds um and uh there's happens to be a little lame for uh for the supplements a little lame for uh for the supplements the bioregulator is different story the bioregulator is different story essentially all of them um but like you essentially all of them um but like you know but there's also ones that are know but there's also ones that are short that do break down like ghk ghk Is short that do break down like ghk ghk Is Not Great Orly it breaks down um but if Not Great Orly it breaks down um but if you cap the other ones it it's they're

you cap the other ones it it's they're they're good and you know at least 80% they're good and you know at least 80% in the power I see yeah so you you use a in the power I see yeah so you you use a a whole range of um of of different a whole range of um of of different methods IV or subq or oral depends on methods IV or subq or oral depends on the peptide basically yeah yeah what do the peptide basically yeah yeah what do you think of m c i mean there's uh I'm you think of m c i mean there's uh I'm still because there's a little bit of still because there's a little bit of controversy whether or not you can controversy whether or not you can reconstitute Moi and then use them uh reconstitute Moi and then use them uh for a few sessions or do you have to use for a few sessions or do you have to use all of it all at once I wouldn't uh all of it all at once I wouldn't uh leave it out um it it's it's inen see my leave it out um it it's it's inen see my you know stem cells you know people oh you know stem cells you know people oh it's running over a couple hours and it's running over a couple hours and they're just dying there in the bag they're just dying there in the bag right but yeah with with m c it's it's right but yeah with with m c it's it's not very stable and uh looking say I not very stable and uh looking say I mean there pretty high variability but mean there pretty high variability but it's known to not be stable and this is it's known to not be stable and this is the case for number of them but probably the case for number of them but probably after I I say the halflife um is is

after I I say the halflife um is is somewhat of a educated guess but uh it's somewhat of a educated guess but uh it's maybe four hours you know so they say so maybe four hours you know so they say so in like six hours it'll be you know 30% in like six hours it'll be you know 30% less uh something like that yeah and uh less uh something like that yeah and uh and I want to ask you about cable and I want to ask you about cable license because uh uh it as gained I license because uh uh it as gained I think a lot of people are saying this is think a lot of people are saying this is kind of like the holy grill right of kind of like the holy grill right of brain regener generation and the most brain regener generation and the most common form is pig brain extract that common form is pig brain extract that that that's that's the most common one that that's that's the most common one that people get correct on the market that people get correct on the market they around for a long long time it's they around for a long long time it's approved in 40 plus countries very very approved in 40 plus countries very very safe the um safe the um essentially uh a uh nonexistent risk or essentially uh a uh nonexistent risk or you know cyons and you know pigs are you know cyons and you know pigs are they really don't get a I like mad cow they really don't get a I like mad cow there's there's no mad Pig there's

there's there's no mad Pig there's there's a little irritated Pig but not there's a little irritated Pig but not mad um and uh and so they very very safe mad um and uh and so they very very safe and but I I didn't realize all people and but I I didn't realize all people were a lot of people were ordering were a lot of people were ordering compounded cerebral license and so that compounded cerebral license and so that you're relying on someone who hasn't you're relying on someone who hasn't been doing it for 40 years and supplying been doing it for 40 years and supplying to hospitals and and everyone to put pig to hospitals and and everyone to put pig brain and um we actually did natural BEP brain and um we actually did natural BEP see we had someone make that it was so see we had someone make that it was so expensive because they had to scrape it expensive because they had to scrape it out of the gut and they manufactur they out of the gut and they manufactur they will never do it again for us it was will never do it again for us it was just you know it's hideous and think just you know it's hideous and think about opening up all these brains and about opening up all these brains and how you have to be you know in terms of how you have to be you know in terms of infection prevention that you better infection prevention that you better like I would not take a compounded one like I would not take a compounded one and but I do a lot of circle and so it's and but I do a lot of circle and so it's it's it's tried and true but like with it's it's tried and true but like with the well cortexin the brain bioregulator the well cortexin the brain bioregulator now um the cereal L is a it's a bior

now um the cereal L is a it's a bior it's not it has a bunch of different it's not it has a bunch of different peptides so there's long and short uh peptides so there's long and short uh and but we and they won't even tell you and but we and they won't even tell you what's in it it's why if you look at the what's in it it's why if you look at the ingredients just tells the amount of ingredients just tells the amount of amino acids and you look at the ratios amino acids and you look at the ratios just to make sure it's that product but just to make sure it's that product but it really tells you nothing about what it really tells you nothing about what each you know uh chain is and what the each you know uh chain is and what the identity is but we know again it works identity is but we know again it works but the nice thing is it does work or as but the nice thing is it does work or as well in the studies where they had just well in the studies where they had just one dose eegs and you know change in one dose eegs and you know change in that so we we've had to very good uh that so we we've had to very good uh results with it and for even my um uh results with it and for even my um uh the stepson the brothers were saying oh the stepson the brothers were saying oh he's got something wrong with him he's he's got something wrong with him he's just so irritated he's just a jackass just so irritated he's just a jackass right and I hear I said give him this right and I hear I said give him this and we gave him the the cerebral pep and and we gave him the the cerebral pep and they're like oh my God he's back to they're like oh my God he's back to normal you know and we see that stuff normal you know and we see that stuff over and over and over um uh and but so over and over and over um uh and but so the kind of newer version is the cnip

the kind of newer version is the cnip which has the um the active right so H which has the um the active right so H it's about 2,000 times as potent uh then it's about 2,000 times as potent uh then we add the subcortical brain which is we add the subcortical brain which is the the Pinon so with it's kind of the the Pinon so with it's kind of confusing because there's pinealon is confusing because there's pinealon is amazing and people think it's pineal amazing and people think it's pineal right has some like pineal effect but right has some like pineal effect but it's suboral brain they really screwed it's suboral brain they really screwed up naming it that but the Epicon is the up naming it that but the Epicon is the is the pineal gland one uh and then the is the pineal gland one uh and then the vessel whatever you add it to it works vessel whatever you add it to it works much better and it kind of makes sense much better and it kind of makes sense it lowers the inflammation of the vessel it lowers the inflammation of the vessel so you get a lot better transport you so you get a lot better transport you get increased nitric oxide so it dilates get increased nitric oxide so it dilates and you get much better delivery uh and and you get much better delivery uh and it kind of is that you know basically it kind of is that you know basically the boost for everything you add oh the boost for everything you add oh let's give me asro peptide you know to let's give me asro peptide you know to everything and it works for in studies everything and it works for in studies show signific difference with brain and show signific difference with brain and Li or like anything or it's interesting Li or like anything or it's interesting with like the low te therapy and there's

with like the low te therapy and there's like four to six different ones you can like four to six different ones you can use you have the testes you have the use you have the testes you have the prostate bladder liver adrenal and and prostate bladder liver adrenal and and they found it was very it's kind of they found it was very it's kind of confusing because you do them and people confusing because you do them and people get increased libido they will get get increased libido they will get increased testosterone but it's like if increased testosterone but it's like if you leave one or two out they don't get you leave one or two out they don't get the increase of libido but it didn't the increase of libido but it didn't matter which one it it's kind of kind of matter which one it it's kind of kind of strain sometimes that way but it's strain sometimes that way but it's really fascinating that these little really fascinating that these little small things are so non-toxic can make small things are so non-toxic can make such a big difference yeah and I want to such a big difference yeah and I want to ask you so the cable license that you're ask you so the cable license that you're using instead of being using instead of being compounded which is how these people are compounded which is how these people are just processing the extract from the pig just processing the extract from the pig brain right I wouldn't truck anyone with brain right I wouldn't truck anyone with pig brain so how how the product you use pig brain so how how the product you use how were they obtained it's a secret now how were they obtained it's a secret now I'm kidding yeah so I I would want to I'm kidding yeah so I I would want to use the manufacturer with anything use the manufacturer with anything that's a extract that is um injected uh

that's a extract that is um injected uh I would I would not uh use compounded I mean you know not uh use compounded I mean you know they're learning they're I'm sure they're learning they're I'm sure they're you know trying to uh be but they're you know trying to uh be but it's it's high risk because you have it's it's high risk because you have this pig brain it stinks like hell um this pig brain it stinks like hell um it's horrible but uh so these are it's horrible but uh so these are totally sealed uh it's a ampule not a uh totally sealed uh it's a ampule not a uh I wouldn't stick a needle in anything I wouldn't stick a needle in anything with brain in it and use of the gam is with brain in it and use of the gam is wouldn't same thing with Cuda pressin wouldn't same thing with Cuda pressin liver extract uh injectable very good liver extract uh injectable very good treatment it's really hard to get now treatment it's really hard to get now used to used to be all over working for used to used to be all over working for so many um illnesses and uh chronic eque so many um illnesses and uh chronic eque syndrome liver dysfunction brain um but syndrome liver dysfunction brain um but it's not something you want to leave out it's not something you want to leave out yeah but how is the cereal license yeah but how is the cereal license you're holding how were they processed you're holding how were they processed was it still originally from the pig was it still originally from the pig grain right wasn't that how they right grain right wasn't that how they right it's it's a it's you know I'm not a big

it's it's a it's you know I'm not a big fan of big farma but they're a major Pho fan of big farma but they're a major Pho company and they've been doing it they company and they've been doing it they have it down um and they 40 years their have it down um and they 40 years their infection risk is is non-existent I see infection risk is is non-existent I see where I don't know what these other guys where I don't know what these other guys are doing you never get a full story are doing you never get a full story like you know they buy it from this like you know they buy it from this person or that person are they makeing person or that person are they makeing their own do they have even do they even their own do they have even do they even know how it's being made so it's with know how it's being made so it's with extracts like that it I don't think it's extracts like that it I don't think it's worth the risk plus we worth the risk plus we you get it cheaper from the you get it cheaper from the manufacturer I see okay so there are two manufacturer I see okay so there are two areas I want to ask you about one is um areas I want to ask you about one is um of course I'm very interested in the of course I'm very interested in the brain um so that's one reason we're brain um so that's one reason we're talked about serbal license but there's talked about serbal license but there's also Cass SE lank uh there's the the also Cass SE lank uh there's the the p2228 for depression and there's dihexa p2228 for depression and there's dihexa what uh how do you pick what to what uh how do you pick what to recommend to your patients yeah no recommend to your patients yeah no that's a very good question and the that's a very good question and the Brain I'm f with them as well and uh you

Brain I'm f with them as well and uh you know a cumin is one and it's a know a cumin is one and it's a mitochondrial peptide but they named it mitochondrial peptide but they named it cumin because it made Alzheimer's cumin because it made Alzheimer's patients human patients human again and now there's newer versions again and now there's newer versions that are much more effective and here's that are much more effective and here's like holy crap look at the data and why like holy crap look at the data and why aren't these getting out of phase three aren't these getting out of phase three trials they're just stuck there because trials they're just stuck there because someone's freaking paying them not to someone's freaking paying them not to complete the trials it it's it's scary complete the trials it it's it's scary um and we're getting these meds approved um and we're getting these meds approved for Alzheimer's that are just ridiculous for Alzheimer's that are just ridiculous um and 60% of people on the approval um and 60% of people on the approval board have stock in the damn thing and board have stock in the damn thing and it's it's it's worthless um and we have it's it's it's worthless um and we have all Mages sitting there but we can you all Mages sitting there but we can you can get them compounded for patience and can get them compounded for patience and again there's like human which been again there's like human which been around forever forever um and much more around forever forever um and much more potent versions and there there's so potent versions and there there's so many great you know uh rain things but many great you know uh rain things but yeah and like you know dihexa in fr1 Q

yeah and like you know dihexa in fr1 Q cmax ceng uh they'll they'll work um and cmax ceng uh they'll they'll work um and uh just think like at parties like you uh just think like at parties like you know used to whatever College stuff and know used to whatever College stuff and now are older like doing snorts of cmax now are older like doing snorts of cmax you know so but yeah it even help people you know so but yeah it even help people with normal memory um the better so in with normal memory um the better so in like seaing I like I found that I was like seaing I like I found that I was stress like where's my SE L you know uh stress like where's my SE L you know uh much more calming it's more immune much more calming it's more immune modory more antimicrobial right modory more antimicrobial right anti-anxiety well let's say someone has anti-anxiety well let's say someone has like double spe I I use injectables as like double spe I I use injectables as well yeah so supposedly does c lank work well yeah so supposedly does c lank work better intranasal you know what better intranasal you know what interesting that versus injectable nasal interesting that versus injectable nasal is often more effective especially for is often more effective especially for brain because it goes basically you know brain because it goes basically you know into the uh veins in there right right into the uh veins in there right right to the brain and they plate goes up the

to the brain and they plate goes up the kind of like you look at dementia lot of kind of like you look at dementia lot of evidence showing that EP bar and these evidence showing that EP bar and these things that you know climb up Herpes things that you know climb up Herpes viruses uh climb up the nerve and going viruses uh climb up the nerve and going into the brain uh you know and and into the brain uh you know and and contributing to all signs yeah let's say contributing to all signs yeah let's say somebody comes in with Parkinson's or somebody comes in with Parkinson's or ALS which is ALS which is exploding uh from all the toxins it is exploding uh from all the toxins it is the dis growing neurogenerative disease the dis growing neurogenerative disease uh it's it's nuts ALS as well um and I uh it's it's nuts ALS as well um and I have not seen any of those uh that don't have not seen any of those uh that don't have lime dises have lime dises really yeah it's interesting um I really yeah it's interesting um I remember years ago when I was doing remember years ago when I was doing research at the male clinic with a research at the male clinic with a doctor who was a Pioneer in MS research doctor who was a Pioneer in MS research and his whole theory is that there's and his whole theory is that there's viral origin of Ms and his colleagues viral origin of Ms and his colleagues was laughed at are you king me it's a was laughed at are you king me it's a there toia virus but I don't think

there toia virus but I don't think that's the main cause if you look at the that's the main cause if you look at the lesions from from lime they're lesions from from lime they're indistinguishable from Ms I've never indistinguishable from Ms I've never seen an MS patient doesn't have lime or seen an MS patient doesn't have lime or at least aesia Bella and then it's like at least aesia Bella and then it's like a lime patient every single one of them a lime patient every single one of them have reactiva immune system is have reactiva immune system is suppressed and now you can't suppress suppressed and now you can't suppress all the upd bar hhp sit tons of all all the upd bar hhp sit tons of all these viruses they and most of we don't these viruses they and most of we don't even test for so yeah they certainly even test for so yeah they certainly contribute now they feed into the fish's contribute now they feed into the fish's cycle but what's really the cause but cycle but what's really the cause but after time it doesn't really matter uh after time it doesn't really matter uh because but you gota you know uh and because but you gota you know uh and it's like why is the lime even allowed it's like why is the lime even allowed to come out because the immune system so to come out because the immune system so if you fix the immune system then it if you fix the immune system then it will just suppress everything we have so will just suppress everything we have so many infections but the body is healthy many infections but the body is healthy enough to suppress them and that's what enough to suppress them and that's what happened like people like these inec happened like people like these inec disease though all these antibiotics disease though all these antibiotics like just slam them nothing happens like just slam them nothing happens that's what I did I did three and a half that's what I did I did three and a half years of the highest dose IV antibiotics

years of the highest dose IV antibiotics I would never give you a patient it was I would never give you a patient it was four five six seven times the max dose four five six seven times the max dose and doing three four five six seven and doing three four five six seven eight at a time right I'm like on like eight at a time right I'm like on like you don't care if I leave or die anyways you don't care if I leave or die anyways I might as well kill it nothing nothing I might as well kill it nothing nothing I would go in with sepsis being on all I would go in with sepsis being on all that freaking uh antibodies because my that freaking uh antibodies because my natural kill shell function was Zero it natural kill shell function was Zero it was zero so you can't the body can never was zero so you can't the body can never take over so antibiotics do not kill take over so antibiotics do not kill anything totally they knock it down anything totally they knock it down enough and the body takes over and I enough and the body takes over and I remember I was in um fors Memorial and remember I was in um fors Memorial and totally septic just you know uh dying totally septic just you know uh dying like every three months like you did and like every three months like you did and I remember the nurse they're doing the I remember the nurse they're doing the ship change I hear say this is that aids ship change I hear say this is that aids patient that keeps up turning negative patient that keeps up turning negative for HIV and she was kind of right for HIV and she was kind of right because it was I had no immune because it was I had no immune system yeah and that's why we you know system yeah and that's why we you know kind of a immune modory Clinic and kind of a immune modory Clinic and that's where we start and things like that's where we start and things like pots pots and panil and Sears that you

pots pots and panil and Sears that you fix their immune system and they go what fix their immune system and they go what about the positivity you know and all about the positivity you know and all these like neurologists are like oh you these like neurologists are like oh you got fatigue because you got orthostatic got fatigue because you got orthostatic hypotension please stop you know it's hypotension please stop you know it's like it's a cause from uh everything and like it's a cause from uh everything and you you fix your immune system HS goes you you fix your immune system HS goes away there you know all all these these away there you know all all these these symptoms and it's pretty incredible symptoms and it's pretty incredible where and so we kind of like you fix the where and so we kind of like you fix the immune system system first that starts immune system system first that starts helping the mitochondria and then you helping the mitochondria and then you can kind of pick because otherwise can kind of pick because otherwise you're just treating this and this and you're just treating this and this and this and this but really the immune this and this but really the immune system uh really I think really is the system uh really I think really is the Hub of the spokes and and it it Hub of the spokes and and it it basically will drive everything else for basically will drive everything else for like Mass cell activations in right and like Mass cell activations in right and then they align which people have a then they align which people have a component of that all the pot spati and component of that all the pot spati and you fix the immune system because like you fix the immune system because like or also you'll find that if you look at or also you'll find that if you look at a mass cell patient they'll have low a mass cell patient they'll have low cortisol but High

cortisol but High act and like okay well what's going on act and like okay well what's going on there and some of you give a little there and some of you give a little little the Tinus of cortisol or immune little the Tinus of cortisol or immune modulators because their body is trying modulators because their body is trying to raise that cortisol to basically to raise that cortisol to basically camping down the inflammation but it's camping down the inflammation but it's not working so there's a again the not working so there's a again the central kind of same to the central central kind of same to the central hypothy and so cop releasing hormone uh hypothy and so cop releasing hormone uh it's just pumping that out but it the it's just pumping that out but it the body is not responding the AC is that body is not responding the AC is that the AC is it's the disconnect to the uh the AC is it's the disconnect to the uh adrenals and but CR is oneing the most adrenals and but CR is oneing the most potent stimulators of mass cells so if potent stimulators of mass cells so if your AC is high your CR is high your AC is high your CR is high stimulating that so you want to bring stimulating that so you want to bring that down that's just like one little that down that's just like one little thing that all of a sudden be like oh thing that all of a sudden be like oh gosh I feel this look better you know gosh I feel this look better you know and you got all these very good doctors and you got all these very good doctors though but they're just trying to get at though but they're just trying to get at the mass cells directly you look the mass cells directly you look upstream and it's just so much more upstream and it's just so much more effective yeah so for Lyme disease I effective yeah so for Lyme disease I know some doctors they they have a know some doctors they they have a particular uh regimen um you know

particular uh regimen um you know apparently to deal with something as apparently to deal with something as complex and uh persistent as lime um the complex and uh persistent as lime um the organisms that is important to on one organisms that is important to on one hand to boost your own immune systems hand to boost your own immune systems capability to fight it but on the other capability to fight it but on the other hand to actively kill hand to actively kill them to to do these two things it goes them to to do these two things it goes hand in hand because direct killing hand in hand because direct killing helps but you're never going to get helps but you're never going to get there if you don't have immune system there if you don't have immune system you'll never be free this stuff so uh you'll never be free this stuff so uh until you're able to fix that but the until you're able to fix that but the infections suppressing immune system so infections suppressing immune system so again Catch 22 right so um you may have again Catch 22 right so um you may have to treat and but you really got to pay to treat and but you really got to pay attention because the immune system is attention because the immune system is doing the killing it's not the in I mean doing the killing it's not the in I mean they'll knock it down yeah I'm wondering they'll knock it down yeah I'm wondering you have a particular uh protocol you have a particular uh protocol because some doctors they do uh what because some doctors they do uh what they do stem cells and I know that um they do stem cells and I know that um you found great for infections Sy are

you found great for infections Sy are great for um cancer uh you know great for um cancer uh you know infections no they're they're wonderful infections no they're they're wonderful yeah so that's the the aspect with yeah so that's the the aspect with boosting your immune system but but stem boosting your immune system but but stem cells like msc's also have anti- uh cells like msc's also have anti- uh microbial properties but uh in microbial properties but uh in conjunction you can use ozone therapy or conjunction you can use ozone therapy or I I know some doctors integrated doctors I I know some doctors integrated doctors do silver IV infusions so love silver I do silver IV infusions so love silver I run a paper on um uh oamic silver hydrol run a paper on um uh oamic silver hydrol and where a paper say it cannot cause and where a paper say it cannot cause our jury it was time where the the blue our jury it was time where the the blue guy was going around on the top show was guy was going around on the top show was toting blue like a smirk but he kept toting blue like a smirk but he kept taking and he was the oh no colal silver taking and he was the oh no colal silver but what he was doing was making the but what he was doing was making the silver by himself he take an acidic bath silver by himself he take an acidic bath put some silver electrodes took a put some silver electrodes took a battery to it he's just drinking the battery to it he's just drinking the stuff he's toldy blue now so I write stuff he's toldy blue now so I write this paper and some other doctors got in this paper and some other doctors got in trouble with the calford medical board trouble with the calford medical board they're horrible they're horrible uh where paper saying how safe it is and uh where paper saying how safe it is and then we we were doing like leader like

then we we were doing like leader like between 500 and a th000 leaders of this between 500 and a th000 leaders of this stuff right and it happened during stuff right and it happened during Katrina and I don't know how it happened Katrina and I don't know how it happened but I think we got someone better they but I think we got someone better they had this Katrina rash no one knew what had this Katrina rash no one knew what it was antibiotics didn't work anti it was antibiotics didn't work anti parasitics and they no one knew these parasitics and they no one knew these people were miserable and someone came people were miserable and someone came in oh TR this silver and just was wiping in oh TR this silver and just was wiping it out I mean all these people I mean it out I mean all these people I mean just were flooded with people from with just were flooded with people from with Katrina rash but it works amazing also Katrina rash but it works amazing also for um more Gans like it's awesome but for um more Gans like it's awesome but you know uh so I was always using our you know uh so I was always using our Jen silver and that's where I wrote the Jen silver and that's where I wrote the paper cannot get our Jia Wayne whitean paper cannot get our Jia Wayne whitean around is he convinced me love Gary gour around is he convinced me love Gary gour I got to use this and I did it and I got to use this and I did it and within two weeks I'm freaking blue I'm within two weeks I'm freaking blue I'm Tin blue um and I'm like oh my God I Tin blue um and I'm like oh my God I kind of didn't notice it people like kind of didn't notice it people like notice they didn't tell me uh and then I notice they didn't tell me uh and then I also took gapson and got methogo

also took gapson and got methogo anemia and I was just like a smart I anemia and I was just like a smart I take methylene blue to cure the chat of take methylene blue to cure the chat of my house or to cure the to cure that my house or to cure the to cure that meth glob anemia but I'm still it's meth glob anemia but I'm still it's really irreversible and it was bad I really irreversible and it was bad I mean it was just shiny silver I was like mean it was just shiny silver I was like a tin man for a long time and I still a tin man for a long time and I still have it under my nails but I think the have it under my nails but I think the rest is kind of dumb but like if I get a rest is kind of dumb but like if I get a laser let's say you know the Cosmetic laser let's say you know the Cosmetic Laser like people can't it hurts so much Laser like people can't it hurts so much like it's like a tattoo it explodes with like it's like a tattoo it explodes with the silver in my skin so I still have the silver in my skin so I still have certainly some so I caution people with certainly some so I caution people with silver I only do the silver hydrol um silver I only do the silver hydrol um the uh AR jeden uh the other ones I the uh AR jeden uh the other ones I think are risky I don't want to you know think are risky I don't want to you know probably I'm sure some good ones but I probably I'm sure some good ones but I don't think they understand like oh what don't think they understand like oh what what's going on stuff works great yeah what's going on stuff works great yeah and with with silver it matters the and with with silver it matters the surface area so and problem with like surface area so and problem with like silver salts that you see in the coil

silver salts that you see in the coil silver there just like uh it's like silver there just like uh it's like someone took silver and kind like solid someone took silver and kind like solid silver and thre it down but you look at silver and thre it down but you look at Silver hydrol it's just totally Silver hydrol it's just totally dispersed so lots of surface area that dispersed so lots of surface area that can attach to many things in your clinic can attach to many things in your clinic when you treat patients with lime so do when you treat patients with lime so do you do you use ozone oh yeah and that's you do you use ozone oh yeah and that's a main stay okay and do you also use a main stay okay and do you also use silver yeah yeah okay and you just use silver yeah yeah okay and you just use stem cells oh of course of course yeah stem cells oh of course of course yeah stem cells exosomes yeah yeah and then stem cells exosomes yeah yeah and then peptides which one which ones would you peptides which one which ones would you pick to to help with uh we use all of pick to to help with uh we use all of them they all have have their place and them they all have have their place and they all work and it's interesting with they all work and it's interesting with the you know the bioregulators have they the you know the bioregulators have they come on and uh a little different I'd come on and uh a little different I'd say they're they're slower but not say they're they're slower but not always it's interesting like like with always it's interesting like like with the kidney uh it's like damn the kidney the kidney uh it's like damn the kidney function gets better like very quickly function gets better like very quickly or liver but in in general they're slow or liver but in in general they're slow on slow off the peptides a little

on slow off the peptides a little certainly quicker um but they work certainly quicker um but they work really well together so you got the really well together so you got the peptides is the cell surface and then peptides is the cell surface and then you got the ones working at the gene you got the ones working at the gene level so if you think about illness it's level so if you think about illness it's kind of like you have this assult uh kind of like you have this assult uh which the Pepes out would say like emfs which the Pepes out would say like emfs right um and we had my other kid I think right um and we had my other kid I think I'm approaching all my kids that we had I'm approaching all my kids that we had them in a room with the router and them in a room with the router and everything right and uh all of a sudden everything right and uh all of a sudden he's getting these panic attacks as hard he's getting these panic attacks as hard as racing field his heart rate it's like as racing field his heart rate it's like totally Irregular at like totally Irregular at like 180 uh I'm like oh damn it's the EMF s s 180 uh I'm like oh damn it's the EMF s s PR you in that closet there um and but PR you in that closet there um and but we gave bpc which blocks the calcium we gave bpc which blocks the calcium channels which that the emfs opened the channels which that the emfs opened the calcium channels uh and also they calcium channels uh and also they cardiac bio regulator and like started cardiac bio regulator and like started coming down at like 20 may maybe 20 to coming down at like 20 may maybe 20 to 40 minutes and after a couple hours he's 40 minutes and after a couple hours he's like it was like he had beta blocker or like it was like he had beta blocker or something and uhan all the step is is

something and uhan all the step is is really neat uh and and if you would take really neat uh and and if you would take something for anti-aging the epitalon something for anti-aging the epitalon with thymus that combination dramatic with thymus that combination dramatic reduction in heart disease and cancer reduction in heart disease and cancer increasing increasing longevity uh less um actually they gave longevity uh less um actually they gave to cardiovascular patients and they gave to cardiovascular patients and they gave him six doses follow him for 12 years uh him six doses follow him for 12 years uh the ones that got the uh combination of the ones that got the uh combination of the pelian and um and thymus their the pelian and um and thymus their cardiovascular um system got better they cardiovascular um system got better they actually had more endurance the dramatic actually had more endurance the dramatic dramatic reduction in mortality dramatic reduction in mortality morbidity qu increased quality of life morbidity qu increased quality of life uh I mean it just it's crazy like why uh I mean it just it's crazy like why aren't everyone picking this because the aren't everyone picking this because the benefits When um where what's the benefits When um where what's the downside cost which is very very minimal downside cost which is very very minimal uh and we just also discovered a skin uh and we just also discovered a skin bioregulator which you take orally and bioregulator which you take orally and the skin like nice studies on uh and the skin like nice studies on uh and where we're adding to the studies that

where we're adding to the studies that they get better I you I'm very skeptical they get better I you I'm very skeptical of all the Cosmetic stuff it's like w of all the Cosmetic stuff it's like w well you you know and I'm like damn this well you you know and I'm like damn this is pretty cool you know take an oral is pretty cool you know take an oral thing um there's so many CLA made about thing um there's so many CLA made about supplements and things so uh but you can supplements and things so uh but you can tell I'm excited about the about the sub tell I'm excited about the about the sub so you were talking about ion and thus so you were talking about ion and thus so aalon yeah but then not not Pelon so aalon yeah but then not not Pelon pelon's awesome pelon's awesome but Pon is not a pineal but Pon is not a pineal peptide it's a sub uh subcortical peptide it's a sub uh subcortical peptide so they really made it very peptide so they really made it very difficult but so Epicon is the pineal difficult but so Epicon is the pineal peptide but like Bon which is only two peptide but like Bon which is only two amino acids it's a in consider but tubas amino acids it's a in consider but tubas is how do you classify I think classify is how do you classify I think classify as a p peptide but it has a lot of as a p peptide but it has a lot of pineal effects are you talking about pineal effects are you talking about tb500 and T Alpha 1 are you talking tb500 and T Alpha 1 are you talking about these two yeah um no it'd be um f about these two yeah um no it'd be um f which is only two amino acids so thyen

which is only two amino acids so thyen orally it was shown to be 100 times more orally it was shown to be 100 times more potent than Thulin potent than Thulin injectable okay I see and so and also injectable okay I see and so and also that's very syntic and you can't couple that's very syntic and you can't couple you can't convert IGM to IGG if you have you can't convert IGM to IGG if you have low ch1 you it basically causes a cent low ch1 you it basically causes a cent so you get with the low th1 is aminos so you get with the low th1 is aminos syence uh now so the body uh with with syence uh now so the body uh with with stress reactop species toxins these stress reactop species toxins these cells will start going into tenet so cells will start going into tenet so what happens is they kind of shut down what happens is they kind of shut down the mitochondria go into a cell danger the mitochondria go into a cell danger response and instead of making energy response and instead of making energy they start making reactive op species they start making reactive op species and people with diabetes and heart and people with diabetes and heart failure just have tons of this stuff and failure just have tons of this stuff and so the cells that they have they're so the cells that they have they're instead of like say heart cell pumping instead of like say heart cell pumping and Contracting it's basically making and Contracting it's basically making Rulo species recruiting more ccent cells

Rulo species recruiting more ccent cells and making everything worse a vicious and making everything worse a vicious cycle now we can selectively knock out cycle now we can selectively knock out those ccent cells but the senolytics do those ccent cells but the senolytics do not work unless you have the high th1 to not work unless you have the high th1 to basically uh recycle those and and basically uh recycle those and and destroy it and recycle it so you really destroy it and recycle it so you really need to have the immune system like in need to have the immune system like in so many things that's web say so so so many things that's web say so so important uh if you will get analytics I important uh if you will get analytics I think it probably isn't going to work think it probably isn't going to work maybe a little bit but um because the maybe a little bit but um because the mechanism knocks out it it doesn't mechanism knocks out it it doesn't matter you can knock it out but there's matter you can knock it out but there's nothing there to kill it right it's like nothing there to kill it right it's like oh make all these defenses where knock oh make all these defenses where knock out the defenses but there's no one out the defenses but there's no one attacking it right so uh yeah it's just attacking it right so uh yeah it's just the key to so many things yeah and to the key to so many things yeah and to raise the th1 system that's using is raise the th1 system that's using is that you said just using thyen that's that you said just using thyen that's the the best way yeah so really it's it the the best way yeah so really it's it that's what the thus does it brings that's what the thus does it brings keeps bringing that the th1 lowering the keeps bringing that the th1 lowering the th2 and you can also add uh CH Rags over

th2 and you can also add uh CH Rags over here so um and I used to think you'll here so um and I used to think you'll you'll see like they'll say oh ashimat you'll see like they'll say oh ashimat is a th1 dominant uh and Graves is th2 is a th1 dominant uh and Graves is th2 dominant well wait they respond to the dominant well wait they respond to the exactly the same thing it makes no sense exactly the same thing it makes no sense and it's the problem is is that there's and it's the problem is is that there's some Labs there that they're looking at some Labs there that they're looking at okay like the cyto Kines that stimulate okay like the cyto Kines that stimulate th1 uh are high right so let's say oh th1 uh are high right so let's say oh your th1 dominant no it's kind of like your th1 dominant no it's kind of like the TSH high and saying your high the TSH high and saying your high thyroid you know it's like it's trying thyroid you know it's like it's trying to do it but it it can't so there's a to do it but it it can't so there's a lot of uh misinformation out there um lot of uh misinformation out there um about that where uh and what they also about that where uh and what they also they couldn't differentiate between th17 they couldn't differentiate between th17 and th1 t17 is the autoimmune uh one and and th1 t17 is the autoimmune uh one and so they call it th1 but I go oh well so they call it th1 but I go oh well it's th17 which is on th2 side so um due it's th17 which is on th2 side so um due to a lot of uh I think people not to a lot of uh I think people not thinking through uh there's been a lot

thinking through uh there's been a lot of stuff thrown out and then Labs have of stuff thrown out and then Labs have capitalized and they're they throw capitalized and they're they throw people off and make them be the the people off and make them be the the wrong wrong thing if someone comes in with cancer thing if someone comes in with cancer which is not uncommon uh what peptides which is not uncommon uh what peptides would you recommend them now officially would you recommend them now officially don't um treat cancer per se is a touchy don't um treat cancer per se is a touchy subject for doctors it is but even just subject for doctors it is but even just the fact that I didn't I it wasn't the fact that I didn't I it wasn't something I spent all my time on right something I spent all my time on right and I don't want to miss something but and I don't want to miss something but we like we don't refer out anything we like we don't refer out anything about cancer I think I referred one about cancer I think I referred one person just to get like a uh some sort person just to get like a uh some sort of heart scam I like that but it's just of heart scam I like that but it's just it's crazy but with the cancer and it's crazy but with the cancer and there's there's some very good cancer there's there's some very good cancer doctors but we have problem we were doctors but we have problem we were sending them out and they're they're sending them out and they're they're getting like high dose vitamin C or getting like high dose vitamin C or something and I'm like okay I you know something and I'm like okay I you know I'd do scared of missing something I'd do scared of missing something wanted me get one thing from these you wanted me get one thing from these you know cancer doctors so uh we're hard to

know cancer doctors so uh we're hard to it because you know one thing if you it because you know one thing if you look at for instance this is like one of look at for instance this is like one of the most documented um uh with Co let's the most documented um uh with Co let's say colon cancer right they get say colon cancer right they get radiation that oh you're cure okay uh or radiation that oh you're cure okay uh or you know long the remission what does you know long the remission what does that mean five years if you follow those that mean five years if you follow those people six years seven years it's all people six years seven years it's all over the place and what's the biggest over the place and what's the biggest determent of that and they don't test it determent of that and they don't test it they don't seem care about it is the they don't seem care about it is the level of the natural killer cell so level of the natural killer cell so natural killer cell function not the natural killer cell function not the number so it's that's again natural number so it's that's again natural killer cell fun natural killer cells uh killer cell fun natural killer cells uh the ones that mod your body for the ones that mod your body for infections for cancer and so what they infections for cancer and so what they do with the give chemo it knocks out do with the give chemo it knocks out their immune system now there's nothing their immune system now there's nothing search and that's not search and search and that's not search and destroying the cancer and it just destroying the cancer and it just explodes and I know two people that is explodes and I know two people that is pretty close to and this I told them but pretty close to and this I told them but my doctor says I'm like H uh and it my doctor says I'm like H uh and it totally happened almost to the day I'm

totally happened almost to the day I'm like I thought I prayed I was going to like I thought I prayed I was going to be wrong um but it's it's barbaric and be wrong um but it's it's barbaric and they just don't care we see that like they just don't care we see that like why don't you think about why you know why don't you think about why you know all you have to do is give some freaking all you have to do is give some freaking some you know $30 a month and could have some you know $30 a month and could have prevented it um but again it's all about prevented it um but again it's all about the the meane system and that's why you the the meane system and that's why you know people have all reactivating you know people have all reactivating you know that's why we have uh you know know that's why we have uh you know chronic lime all these uh you know chronic lime all these uh you know chronic infections because the immune chronic infections because the immune system just it's it's too low and then system just it's it's too low and then you get reactivating infections now they you get reactivating infections now they pile on so that's when you get very pile on so that's when you get very difficult to come back from that uh and difficult to come back from that uh and or like Sears chronic response syndrome or like Sears chronic response syndrome and so you have generally a compromised and so you have generally a compromised immune system then you exposed to mlex immune system then you exposed to mlex so the other people are generally fine so the other people are generally fine but now you can't tolerate the immune but now you can't tolerate the immune system is just trashed now the standard system is just trashed now the standard protocol from sh maker i' love he's done protocol from sh maker i' love he's done so much for that community and set the so much for that community and set the protocols but the whole thing was to

protocols but the whole thing was to take binders and get rid of the Topson take binders and get rid of the Topson so you could boost the immune system so you could boost the immune system well we have a way to boost the immune well we have a way to boost the immune system now and now you can DET topsify system now and now you can DET topsify better and you you you know and I wrote better and you you you know and I wrote the an ebook on it the peptide protocol the an ebook on it the peptide protocol for the rapid treatment of Sears and you for the rapid treatment of Sears and you get it I think on our site or I don't get it I think on our site or I don't know because the people were on this know because the people were on this stuff and I'm like how long have you stuff and I'm like how long have you been doing this like eight years but I been doing this like eight years but I know I'm going to get better I'm like oh know I'm going to get better I'm like oh on 2 add I can't wait eight years and on 2 add I can't wait eight years and they just get better in you know several they just get better in you know several months so um you know basically put put months so um you know basically put put that together and he just he just kind that together and he just he just kind of backward or just you know uh instead of backward or just you know uh instead of just look at a little different I'm of just look at a little different I'm not saying anything is wrong with except not saying anything is wrong with except dip amazing intestinal peptide it makes dip amazing intestinal peptide it makes him worse they feel better but it him worse they feel better but it actually makes him worse they can't get actually makes him worse they can't get better uh will I will but head with the better uh will I will but head with the map but he's and people say oh like you map but he's and people say oh like you don't like Shoemaker absolutely not it's don't like Shoemaker absolutely not it's amazing we could not have come up with amazing we could not have come up with the stuff we did unless he was there the stuff we did unless he was there first and just spent so much time and

first and just spent so much time and passion to figure this stuff out it was passion to figure this stuff out it was that's probably way harder than lime that's probably way harder than lime right so um but it's it's these chronic right so um but it's it's these chronic multi-stem illnesses that you know we multi-stem illnesses that you know we are so horrible at treating in in are so horrible at treating in in America really kind of all over the America really kind of all over the world but now everything's multi-stem we world but now everything's multi-stem we got toxins and the food you know got toxins and the food you know pesticides pesticides are the what pesticides pesticides are the what basically they'll part is going crazy basically they'll part is going crazy and you know we look at the treatments and you know we look at the treatments that have been done for some things that that have been done for some things that have been going around like we'll check have been going around like we'll check everyone's natural killer cell after you everyone's natural killer cell after you know they jab natural killer cell know they jab natural killer cell function drops drops each one and their function drops drops each one and their immune activation of coagulation goes up immune activation of coagulation goes up they're just all their cells are they're just all their cells are clumping um their immune system shot uh clumping um their immune system shot uh and they often get reactivation of lime and they often get reactivation of lime uh you know viruses and so many people uh you know viruses and so many people like most people get ly don't ever have like most people get ly don't ever have a don't have a symptom right and uh we

a don't have a symptom right and uh we know this billionaire uh had a uh place know this billionaire uh had a uh place in Africa where he went on Safari and uh in Africa where he went on Safari and uh did that and he went and he got mequin did that and he went and he got mequin for you know mosquitoes and that stuff for you know mosquitoes and that stuff uh and just you know that's a pretty uh and just you know that's a pretty toxic line met uh and he just all of a toxic line met uh and he just all of a sudden just could deal with this wiped sudden just could deal with this wiped him out now he's got it gave him Li you him out now he's got it gave him Li you know because he had all this stuff and know because he had all this stuff and it reactivated and it's not my patient I it reactivated and it's not my patient I see it's a a b a doctor friend of mine see it's a a b a doctor friend of mine up north and he's like oh my God why why up north and he's like oh my God why why did I why did this happen and that's did I why did this happen and that's what you see you know or we'll find what you see you know or we'll find oftentimes people get lime after a oftentimes people get lime after a emotional trauma like emotion is so emotional trauma like emotion is so basically uh it's still a profound uh basically uh it's still a profound uh suppression of the immune system but suppression of the immune system but doesn't PR immune system it modulates it doesn't PR immune system it modulates it so it lowers at th1 raise at th2 so you

so it lowers at th1 raise at th2 so you get that inflammation but you can't F get that inflammation but you can't F your cellular infections where like your cellular infections where like stress from like work but if you have stress from like work but if you have like a kid that's ill or a fight with a like a kid that's ill or a fight with a spouse or like I had my narcissistic spouse or like I had my narcissistic brother oh my God the phone will ring brother oh my God the phone will ring and I would just be bed bounded you know and I would just be bed bounded you know um you can't tolerate any stress and um you can't tolerate any stress and it's just anything emotional is the it's just anything emotional is the worst okay worst okay so would you say that for Lyme patients so would you say that for Lyme patients and there's much higher um prevalence of and there's much higher um prevalence of cancer so elevated caner risk you know cancer so elevated caner risk you know what it's it's it's interesting that what it's it's it's interesting that I've always it's a very good question I've always it's a very good question because I've been looking for it and but because I've been looking for it and but the problem is you won't get the answer the problem is you won't get the answer because the infection soci of America because the infection soci of America says chronic lime doesn't exist so how says chronic lime doesn't exist so how can you do a study that shows that can you do a study that shows that chronic lime is associated with cancer chronic lime is associated with cancer when it's something that doesn't exist when it's something that doesn't exist wow wow that shows you right there people are that shows you right there people are supposed to be treating it and it's just supposed to be treating it and it's just like okay here's this study this study

like okay here's this study this study la la la la do you have an anti-aging la la la la do you have an anti-aging stack when it comes to peptides stack when it comes to peptides somebody's pretty healthy I just want to somebody's pretty healthy I just want to live really long and stay in great shape live really long and stay in great shape you know at at tree lime I will never you know at at tree lime I will never give it up because that you know you give it up because that you know you have to get back and you know for all my have to get back and you know for all my S of my previous life so I got to do it S of my previous life so I got to do it but so we're um about to launch a very but so we're um about to launch a very very comprehensive um biologic age very comprehensive um biologic age Reduction Program we're going to we're Reduction Program we're going to we're guaranteeing five years reduction guaranteeing five years reduction biologic age um number of tiers but yeah biologic age um number of tiers but yeah there's like I think it's a great time there's like I think it's a great time to be alive that there is there are to be alive that there is there are things that you can do now to actually things that you can do now to actually reduce your biologic age and actually reduce your biologic age and actually live longer and live better longer I live longer and live better longer I mean there just so many things and yeah mean there just so many things and yeah I I think peptides and bioregulators are I I think peptides and bioregulators are at the center of it but there's also so at the center of it but there's also so many other things as well which go into many other things as well which go into you know suppressing mtor with Romy you

you know suppressing mtor with Romy you know basically Celtics I mean there's uh know basically Celtics I mean there's uh you know also you know intermittent you know also you know intermittent fasting which I don't know if I'm I'm a fasting which I don't know if I'm I'm a huge fan of because if you look at the huge fan of because if you look at the studies Sun by liable and others now studies Sun by liable and others now have shown that if you fast have shown that if you fast significantly or decrease your calorie significantly or decrease your calorie intake three times especially women intake three times especially women especially men can maybe go a little especially men can maybe go a little longer but all of a the body will longer but all of a the body will suppress the thyroid suppress the suppress the thyroid suppress the metabolism and it won't go back to metabolism and it won't go back to normal even when you go back to normal normal even when you go back to normal eating so people say of Rec metabolism eating so people say of Rec metabolism they have and well that's what we when they have and well that's what we when we test and people who are sick or older we test and people who are sick or older who can't lose weight almost in who can't lose weight almost in invariably they will have approximately invariably they will have approximately 25% lower metabolism of someone of the 25% lower metabolism of someone of the same age and weight everyone just oh same age and weight everyone just oh you're just eating bun bonss in the in you're just eating bun bonss in the in the closet and uh and they're you know the closet and uh and they're you know tired and they're a little depressed and tired and they're a little depressed and uh and then you give them T3 T4 then

uh and then you give them T3 T4 then doesn't work and the studies where they doesn't work and the studies where they they proved that all these people were they proved that all these people were not low thyroid they gave them all T4 not low thyroid they gave them all T4 and didn't do anything like we you the and didn't do anything like we you the wrong stuff you know and but T3 but wrong stuff you know and but T3 but totally a dramatic Improvement so you totally a dramatic Improvement so you know and it's so simple too it's so know and it's so simple too it's so simple and so many people need it so simple and so many people need it so we're probably missing 60 70% of people we're probably missing 60 70% of people in the US are suboptimal thyroid well in the US are suboptimal thyroid well it's just armor thyroid is a combination it's just armor thyroid is a combination of T3 and T4 and is a more natural form of T3 and T4 and is a more natural form it's better than CID but not much really it's better than CID but not much really and all the studies show it interesting and all the studies show it interesting because that's what's in the anti-aging because that's what's in the anti-aging functional me medicine space I mean if functional me medicine space I mean if you have a patient who is totally you have a patient who is totally healthy no stress um you know no not healthy no stress um you know no not Expos any toxins of it not eating the US Expos any toxins of it not eating the US I guess yeah they'll do okay on uh cnid I guess yeah they'll do okay on uh cnid and armor but if you the more things you and armor but if you the more things you add in there stress again toxic food um

add in there stress again toxic food um uh any chronic illness all getting older uh any chronic illness all getting older it just basically more and more you it just basically more and more you don't give T4 because it works to don't give T4 because it works to reverse T3 and actually works against reverse T3 and actually works against you and it's a big problem I see so are you and it's a big problem I see so are you taking T3 yeah oh T3 saved my life you taking T3 yeah oh T3 saved my life and that was the big thing it did I was and that was the big thing it did I was just like oh my God this is just like oh my God this is yeah godsend so a question someone will yeah godsend so a question someone will ask is that does that mean I'll be ask is that does that mean I'll be taking this T3 for the rest of my life taking this T3 for the rest of my life yeah I mean I don't need to um uh I mean yeah I mean I don't need to um uh I mean my levels are normal uh and I feel my levels are normal uh and I feel pretty good if I know if I get stressed pretty good if I know if I get stressed I feel I need it but it's not a huge I feel I need it but it's not a huge difference but also I I really reason I difference but also I I really reason I continue to take it because it lowers continue to take it because it lowers all the cardiovascular risk factors uh all the cardiovascular risk factors uh let's mus see mondria and so it's let's mus see mondria and so it's actually anti-aging but you know people actually anti-aging but you know people on t they want to get off of it they're on t they want to get off of it they're just like they doing this it's kind of just like they doing this it's kind of like the saving of the bodal hormone

like the saving of the bodal hormone stuff like giving premro and trying to stuff like giving premro and trying to convince people that that's the same as convince people that that's the same as you know bioidentical and it's just like you know bioidentical and it's just like and they'll bite to the death and it and they'll bite to the death and it just like look at the studies I just like look at the studies I published the five hormone debate and so published the five hormone debate and so it just like what how could you even it just like what how could you even argue that you're evil like all I love argue that you're evil like all I love uh you know medical debates you clal uh you know medical debates you clal debates I don't get we'll just talk debates I don't get we'll just talk about it but dude that's like just about it but dude that's like just ignoring on purpose just to fulfill ignoring on purpose just to fulfill whatever why do you want to give whatever why do you want to give everyone freaking uh horse estrogen oral everyone freaking uh horse estrogen oral which goes to the liver increases you which goes to the liver increases you know the clotting factors has equivalent know the clotting factors has equivalent in it which is very carcinogenic why in it which is very carcinogenic why don't you give something without it and don't you give something without it and then progestin which actually increases then progestin which actually increases the risk for breast cancer uh where you the risk for breast cancer uh where you can get progesterone which decreases the can get progesterone which decreases the risk which one would you get and they risk which one would you get and they just arguing over like stop yeah I think just arguing over like stop yeah I think the last peptide I want to ask you is a the last peptide I want to ask you is a very popular semaglutide for weight loss very popular semaglutide for weight loss and there is I I've you know heard of um

and there is I I've you know heard of um somebody getting severe somebody getting severe pancreatitis um you know a very severe pancreatitis um you know a very severe side effect How concerned are you when side effect How concerned are you when somebody wouldn't they I don't think the somebody wouldn't they I don't think the pen retires is likely due to se blue pen retires is likely due to se blue type it's due to a uh basically type it's due to a uh basically excessive weight loss right uh and excessive weight loss right uh and they'll get the same same rank but you they'll get the same same rank but you know there's a lot of GI side effects know there's a lot of GI side effects and gird is a big one but uh actually my and gird is a big one but uh actually my cool friend FES you give everyone the cool friend FES you give everyone the bpc dramatically Cuts all that plus it bpc dramatically Cuts all that plus it will it would it prevents will it would it prevents pancreatitis it you know it basically pancreatitis it you know it basically lowers the inflammation then you can lowers the inflammation then you can also take the pancreas bioregulator the also take the pancreas bioregulator the liver bioregulator along with um bpc and liver bioregulator along with um bpc and even um tb4 frag even and kpv and you're even um tb4 frag even and kpv and you're going to prevent all all that stuff going to prevent all all that stuff because they're all uh they're because they're all uh they're increasing protein synthesis there's increasing protein synthesis there's less stasis there the cells are more less stasis there the cells are more active they might have conjure more active they might have conjure more active and lowering inflammation they're

active and lowering inflammation they're also like for instance like bpc is shown also like for instance like bpc is shown to almost every toxin um and like it to almost every toxin um and like it will keep people from having symptoms will keep people from having symptoms they won't overdose from like methan they won't overdose from like methan thamy they won't have they'll be like thamy they won't have they'll be like the toxic you know basically lethal the toxic you know basically lethal doses where hey it was but you know not doses where hey it was but you know not having the side effects it prevents the having the side effects it prevents the toxicity from micro tops and from pretty toxicity from micro tops and from pretty much across the board and it's pretty much across the board and it's pretty amazing I talked about the EMF but it amazing I talked about the EMF but it will um so when you give it with meds will um so when you give it with meds especially even like the lime patients I especially even like the lime patients I mean they're taking tons of antibotics mean they're taking tons of antibotics liver functions are going up and even liver functions are going up and even when you're killing the lime it's like when you're killing the lime it's like liver go up it may not even be the liver go up it may not even be the toxicity of the meds it's because you're toxicity of the meds it's because you're killing lime that's in the liver but it killing lime that's in the liver but it will prevent all that or at least as say will prevent all that or at least as say it it will help prevent that or you know it it will help prevent that or you know so um also you know studies with uh you so um also you know studies with uh you know even like meds like IBU Pro or you know even like meds like IBU Pro or you know Tylenol is one of the most toxic

know Tylenol is one of the most toxic substances and you know what is a big substances and you know what is a big cause of autism besides you know cause of autism besides you know tyol and we're giving to the freaking tyol and we're giving to the freaking kids and pregnant mothers it's kids and pregnant mothers it's ridiculous it's horrible it's barbaric ridiculous it's horrible it's barbaric I'm sure fouches behind it some way but I'm sure fouches behind it some way but um uh no it's just I don't know so um uh no it's just I don't know so pissed but the BBC will prevent so many pissed but the BBC will prevent so many um toxic I ities and overdoses and and um toxic I ities and overdoses and and and the thing is that like certain and the thing is that like certain peptides get known for like tv4 frag uh peptides get known for like tv4 frag uh for basically reversing damage from a for basically reversing damage from a heart attack let because they studied heart attack let because they studied that part doesn't mean it won't do that that part doesn't mean it won't do that for the brain or for the liver and uh for the brain or for the liver and uh like for it works for a hangover if you like for it works for a hangover if you take it you know before uh and it take it you know before uh and it prevents all that toxicity from the prevents all that toxicity from the acetyl alahh that builds up it's not acetyl alahh that builds up it's not from dehydration uh it's from acetal from dehydration uh it's from acetal alide because we actually I had a beer alide because we actually I had a beer we had a hangover free beer uh we had we had a hangover free beer uh we had double by lital studies and put it out

double by lital studies and put it out and but as soon as we did and publish and but as soon as we did and publish the studies the weer out to the back of the studies the weer out to the back of firearm said nope can't make a healthy firearm said nope can't make a healthy beer so we moved on but um uh fun beer so we moved on but um uh fun industry though yeah it's it's it's uh industry though yeah it's it's it's uh kind of amazing stuff but it's just I kind of amazing stuff but it's just I don't know uh the misinformation from don't know uh the misinformation from people they freaking know too you know people they freaking know too you know yeah wow okay this is a fantastic such a yeah wow okay this is a fantastic such a fascinating sorry about B on the soap fascinating sorry about B on the soap box over and box over and over there just so much I mean you've over there just so much I mean you've been in the space for so long you've been in the space for so long you've seen so much and uh and you know so much seen so much and uh and you know so much it is it's it's exciting and um I know it is it's it's exciting and um I know you're you're um clinics very busy you're you're um clinics very busy people with very serious conditions you people with very serious conditions you know come to you for for help so I men know come to you for for help so I men you one thing just because if there's you one thing just because if there's someone out there we know so I took kind someone out there we know so I took kind of two years off all I treated was the of two years off all I treated was the veterans and uh what we did was treat veterans and uh what we did was treat Special Forces veterans totally disabled

Special Forces veterans totally disabled traumatic brain injury postmatic stress traumatic brain injury postmatic stress very complex sick is sick they are the very complex sick is sick they are the most humble grateful people so we were most humble grateful people so we were covering everything so we do all all the covering everything so we do all all the testing and I fig there'll be all over testing and I fig there'll be all over the board right um but like uh one main the board right um but like uh one main one I I'll tell you about was this uh one I I'll tell you about was this uh kid Special Forces um was totally a kid Special Forces um was totally a terrible traumatic brain couldn't read terrible traumatic brain couldn't read uh he had aladia you know he can't even uh he had aladia you know he can't even touch his skin he couldn't sleep uh touch his skin he couldn't sleep uh total anxiety pain fatigue sweating uh total anxiety pain fatigue sweating uh in and out of the VA outside neurologist in and out of the VA outside neurologist they're doing blocks on him and they're doing blocks on him and nothing's working they find him face nothing's working they find him face down uh and you know basically in his down uh and you know basically in his house pulseless liver failure kidney house pulseless liver failure kidney failure wrapped in analysis they he's failure wrapped in analysis they he's not going to make it put him in induced not going to make it put him in induced toeline just to wait and you know par toeline just to wait and you know par and uh he's working Special Forces he and uh he's working Special Forces he makes it right but they said you know makes it right but they said you know what's he going to be like but of down

what's he going to be like but of down he's actually uh as some bu we still he's actually uh as some bu we still couldn't read uh and just worsen couldn't read uh and just worsen worsening worsening pain all just they worsening worsening pain all just they they don't know what to do and then his they don't know what to do and then his mom knew um my girlfriend and a wife mom knew um my girlfriend and a wife blah blah but he came in and uh the blah blah but he came in and uh the first visit we got rid of his aladia um first visit we got rid of his aladia um and we had foot drop he couldn't he and we had foot drop he couldn't he couldn't control his foot foot and when couldn't control his foot foot and when end the first visit he's like moving his end the first visit he's like moving his foot and then this this other doctor foot and then this this other doctor with me also I'm talking to the mom and with me also I'm talking to the mom and he just starts smacking his foot right he just starts smacking his foot right I'm like well realse jump what are you I'm like well realse jump what are you doing he's like it doesn't hurt I mean doing he's like it doesn't hurt I mean you can feel it but it doesn't hurt and you can feel it but it doesn't hurt and then so you know long story short he uh then so you know long story short he uh basically after to three for business basically after to three for business pretty much back to normal you know uh pretty much back to normal you know uh he went camping when he goes camping he went camping when he goes camping they go no sleeping V nothing you know they go no sleeping V nothing you know that that's what they do but um this is that that's what they do but um this is what we found in them okay all had the what we found in them okay all had the worst immunity ever the th1 was just worst immunity ever the th1 was just non-existent and just tons of

non-existent and just tons of inflammation tons of toxins uh you know inflammation tons of toxins uh you know burn pits or or whatever they all had burn pits or or whatever they all had chronic line and most of them had a um chronic line and most of them had a um Co infection like what the heck I don't Co infection like what the heck I don't think they got it in Afghanistan that's think they got it in Afghanistan that's where they all went what so what's going where they all went what so what's going on so they're telling me they all rotate on so they're telling me they all rotate rotate through Fort Brag I think they rotate through Fort Brag I think they named it something else freedom but uh named it something else freedom but uh in North Carolina in gik lime and laid in North Carolina in gik lime and laid in the bushes for about three months in the bushes for about three months training and so if you combine a um uh training and so if you combine a um uh chronic infection you look at the chronic infection you look at the studies and things on uh studies on studies and things on uh studies on Cobalt mines people with uh like heavy Cobalt mines people with uh like heavy metal toxicity if they get malaria or metal toxicity if they get malaria or not that someone with a very high toxin not that someone with a very high toxin load gets an infection pring infection load gets an infection pring infection they're very very very likely to get they're very very very likely to get Auto antibi especially to the brain Auto antibi especially to the brain every single one of of these guys had every single one of of these guys had antibodies to their seron receptors antibodies to their seron receptors dorrine

dorrine dopamine and the what they 60 plus are dopamine and the what they 60 plus are blowing their brains out every day blowing their brains out every day because they're giving them anti because they're giving them anti psychotics anti-depressants and why all psychotics anti-depressants and why all that working because all the receptors that working because all the receptors are blocked yeah and so we um and but are blocked yeah and so we um and but after about two I couldn't it was just after about two I couldn't it was just we got so expensive I had to like uh put we got so expensive I had to like uh put it on pause but then so we sub CH late it on pause but then so we sub CH late we had had the start back up but we got we had had the start back up but we got a grant one of our new doctors got a grant one of our new doctors got through his medical school and then through his medical school and then another we uh agency helped us get like another we uh agency helped us get like we'll probably get a nice like 30,000 we'll probably get a nice like 30,000 and then after that we'll be like a and then after that we'll be like a million plus so we can really start million plus so we can really start treating these vets but it's just treating these vets but it's just horrible the way these bets are treated horrible the way these bets are treated they're getting the worst care ever and they're getting the worst care ever and they deserve the most um and I I was at they deserve the most um and I I was at a party and this um guys's like cry in a party and this um guys's like cry in the corner I you know Wonder know what's the corner I you know Wonder know what's going on while he a veteran and oh he going on while he a veteran and oh he messed up and he's getting divorced like messed up and he's getting divorced like they all are and I went up to him you do they all are and I went up to him you do he oh you understand I'm like let me he oh you understand I'm like let me guess you got he's like how do you know

guess you got he's like how do you know that the vet the VA says I'm so unique that the vet the VA says I'm so unique they never seen anything like it I'm they never seen anything like it I'm like he's the quintessential you know like he's the quintessential you know it's it's like not so in PL they just it's it's like not so in PL they just come in it won't cost you anything they come in it won't cost you anything they don't come in like it's just it's very don't come in like it's just it's very strange like they're just to tus or strange like they're just to tus or something but um but they are the the something but um but they are the the nicest people but they need help and nicest people but they need help and they're not getting it so we're try they're not getting it so we're try change that yes yes yeah we we laugh our change that yes yes yeah we we laugh our veterans at our Clinic too so we um yeah veterans at our Clinic too so we um yeah we definitely we give we would do things we definitely we give we would do things very special for them and you're right very special for them and you're right some of the nicest people kind open some of the nicest people kind open heart just humble yeah so well Dr heart just humble yeah so well Dr holtorf what a conversation hey thank holtorf what a conversation hey thank much you're happy I miss you I forgot much you're happy I miss you I forgot this your wealth of knowledge and uh this your wealth of knowledge and uh passion as as well you know and and and passion as as well you know and and and also your humility you know of always um also your humility you know of always um you know is really people especially do

you know is really people especially do can take themselves too seriously you can take themselves too seriously you know yeah so how do people find you and know yeah so how do people find you and benefit from uh everything you've benefit from uh everything you've developed uh let's see yeah um you developed uh let's see yeah um you integrated peptides um and we're coming integrated peptides um and we're coming out with some new stuff which is out with some new stuff which is exciting I kind get into that National exciting I kind get into that National hyperism we need to kind of beef that up hyperism we need to kind of beef that up but a lot of review articles and you but a lot of review articles and you know if you're fatigued you're hit with know if you're fatigued you're hit with way whatever you need to make sure you way whatever you need to make sure you fix your thyroid find a doctor that fix your thyroid find a doctor that understands that stuff um you we understands that stuff um you we probably going to start a podcast we're probably going to start a podcast we're trying to follow in your footsteps um trying to follow in your footsteps um launch um uh we're two two separate ones launch um uh we're two two separate ones um one through doctor talks which are oh um one through doctor talks which are oh from the peptide Summit I have like 60 from the peptide Summit I have like 60 interviews a doctor so we're going to interviews a doctor so we're going to kind Replay that on one thing but then kind Replay that on one thing but then we're going to do live steps so you have we're going to do live steps so you have to to come on ours you know you have to to to come on ours you know you have to slum it slum it and absolutely I would love to I'm going

and absolutely I would love to I'm going to call you you're like oh my people to call you you're like oh my people will get back to you and they'll never will get back to you and they'll never hear ever no I'm not like that yes we're hear ever no I'm not like that yes we're PR had some great new doctors I just PR had some great new doctors I just love them uh passionate we're actually love them uh passionate we're actually doing for like complex patience because doing for like complex patience because it's like you know how it gets the old it's like you know how it gets the old even though God my heart was out to them even though God my heart was out to them but it just wears on you so we're doing but it just wears on you so we're doing like kind of like old school like we like kind of like old school like we have like our you doctors like four five have like our you doctors like four five five or six of them and we all sit five or six of them and we all sit around and they you know we basically around and they you know we basically all listen to case uh go back and forth all listen to case uh go back and forth and everything's recorded and because and everything's recorded and because the patients you know they go from the patients you know they go from Doctor to doctor they don't the belief Doctor to doctor they don't the belief now you've got um you know five very now you've got um you know five very experience just passionate most caring experience just passionate most caring doctors and you could hear how with the doctors and you could hear how with the what the um rational is and in the what the um rational is and in the thought so it's we've just kind of thought so it's we've just kind of started it and it's the feedback has started it and it's the feedback has been great for people wow that's great been great for people wow that's great that's powerful I love that yeah it's that's powerful I love that yeah it's fun too it kind of bring the fun back in

fun too it kind of bring the fun back in it um so it's a really a we win and paes it um so it's a really a we win and paes love it yeah yeah wonderful so your uh love it yeah yeah wonderful so your uh Center is in California in elag gundo Center is in California in elag gundo and how do people get in contact with and how do people get in contact with you yeah it's it's HFM uh.com we have you yeah it's it's HFM uh.com we have some awesome doctors I just love these some awesome doctors I just love these people and and they're all bringing you people and and they're all bringing you know their own unique experiences and know their own unique experiences and therapy so we're just adding like therapy so we're just adding like therapies every couple days so it's therapies every couple days so it's really neat um and just they're they're really neat um and just they're they're neat neat people then leture you know neat neat people then leture you know all all around and uh uh so we're we're all all around and uh uh so we're we're trying we're one thing we do suck at is trying we're one thing we do suck at is marketing this so we may not know where marketing this so we may not know where we are but yeah we're elindo hzor we are but yeah we're elindo hzor Medical Group um Innovative pork ties Medical Group um Innovative pork ties I'm NE director I'm not they're separate I'm NE director I'm not they're separate integrated peptid separate um but uh I integrated peptid separate um but uh I like what they do and again I started it like what they do and again I started it but then Ed it off to be separate so uh

but then Ed it off to be separate so uh cool stuff coming out okay all right Dr cool stuff coming out okay all right Dr hwarf so that's h o l t o RF and uh hwarf so that's h o l t o RF and uh you're fabulous and thank you for being you're fabulous and thank you for being my guest to share your knowledge hey my guest to share your knowledge hey thanks so much joy you're awesome thanks so much joy you're awesome appreciate it thank you

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Where Standard Care Falls Short

Standard medicine excels when the problem is acute, visible, and bounded. A broken leg, a surgical emergency, a crisis that demands immediate stabilization: these are areas where conventional care has immense power. The challenge appears when illness moves across systems, changes slowly, and resists a single marker.

Complex chronic illness often asks questions the standard visit is not built to hold. Fatigue, pain, inflammation, infection history, endocrine disruption, mood changes, and metabolic slowing rarely arrive in isolation. When a patient has seen twenty doctors and still has no coherent protocol, the issue is not effort. It is often the frame.

Holtorf’s own path moved from anesthesia into functional medicine because the old frame no longer answered the clinical reality in front of him. Anesthesia offered a way to keep practicing when conversation itself was draining, but it did not satisfy the deeper question. He wanted to understand why people stayed unwell after their labs were called normal.

Thyroid optimization became one of his earliest areas of focus. He describes seeing patients improve when care moved beyond a narrow reliance on TSH and looked more closely at T3, symptoms, and tissue-level function. The point was not to chase a number. The point was to restore metabolism, clarity, mood, and stamina in the person living inside the lab report.

In his view, chronically ill patients can show patterns that look reassuring at first glance while the body remains underpowered. A low-normal TSH, high-normal T4, low-normal free T3, and high-normal reverse T3 may be misread as excess thyroid activity. Holtorf argues that, in the context of inflammation, stress, age, and autoimmunity, the opposite can be true.

This is where clinical nuance matters. T4 must convert to T3, and the body’s ability to make that conversion can shift under chronic strain. Holtorf emphasizes that pituitary signaling can differ from what happens in the rest of the body, leaving tissue hungry for thyroid effect while the standard signal appears controlled. The outcome is felt as low vitality, slow recovery, and diminished focus.

TSH goes down as the rest of the body starving for thyroid.

Thyroid, Iodine, And Clinical Nuance

A single marker can be useful, but it cannot carry the entire truth of a complex system. Holtorf is direct about TSH: he sees it as an imperfect guide in chronic inflammation and stress. The number can look acceptable while the patient still lives with coldness, fatigue, low mood, slowed reflexes, and a metabolism that does not respond.

His assessment looks wider. Free T3, reverse T3, T4-to-T3 patterns, body temperature, symptoms, basal metabolic rate, and ankle reflexes all become part of the picture. He points to the reflex as a physical sign of tissue-level thyroid activity: when the tissue signal is low, relaxation after the reflex slows. The body speaks in more than numbers.

Basal metabolic rate matters because recovery requires usable output, not only biochemical permission. Holtorf describes it as a stronger anchor than a lab value alone. When metabolism slows, people feel it in the morning, in training, in mood, and in the long distance between effort and restoration. A good protocol listens there.

Dieting adds another layer. Holtorf notes that repeated dieting can lower thyroid activity and metabolism, and that the slowdown may persist even after normal eating returns. Many people say their metabolism has changed because their lived experience tells them so. In this frame, the complaint deserves investigation, not dismissal.

Iodine requires the same restraint. Holtorf does not place himself at either extreme of the debate. He acknowledges that iodine can aggravate Hashimoto’s when given aggressively, especially when someone is already inflamed or autoimmune. He also describes careful replenishment as useful when the pace is slow and the patient context is respected.

Both sides can be partly right when timing, dose, and terrain differ. Seaweed or high-dose iodine may provoke a flare in one patient, while deliberate replenishment may support another over time. Precision is the difference between reaction and restoration. The protocol must meet the body where it is.

Peptides And Bioregulators

Peptides entered Holtorf’s work because they changed what recovery could look like in practice. In the simplest terms, peptides are short chains of amino acids. Proteins are also chains of amino acids, but peptides are shorter, often defined as fewer than 40 or 50 amino acids depending on the reference point. Their power is in signal, not size.

Many peptides act at the cell surface and set off secondary messenger activity. Holtorf describes their effects as broad rather than singular. Unlike a medication aimed at one narrow target, a peptide can influence multiple pathways with more specificity than a general supplement. That breadth can support repair, resilience, and functional recovery when the body needs coordinated signals.

Bioregulators are a distinct subset. Holtorf defines them as peptides made of two to four amino acids. That small structure gives them high bioavailability when properly capped, meaning the body can absorb and use them through the gut rather than losing them to breakdown. For a patient, the promise is practical: an oral signal that can still reach the bloodstream.

Capping matters because enzymes in the gut normally break down peptides. Holtorf explains that the body can protect peptides by modifying the ends, making them more stable and more bioavailable. With bioregulators, that stability allows movement from the gut into serum, then into cells and the cell nucleus. The signal can become more direct.

They turn genes on, turn genes off.

Inside the cell, Holtorf describes bioregulators as influencing transcription, turning certain genes on and others off. He frames this as a way to encourage healthier, anti-inflammatory patterns while quieting aging-related patterns. The plain-language outcome is the one that matters: better recovery, steadier vitality, clearer function, and more capacity to repair.

The organ-specific examples are wide. He discusses kidney bioregulators, including his own experience with chronic kidney issues after Lyme and Babesia, and describes changes in protein loss after use. He also points to applications involving the brain, liver, thyroid axis, stem cells, and mitochondria. When mitochondrial signaling improves, the felt outcome is energy that returns with less resistance.

This is not a casual wellness trend in his telling. It is a shift in how physicians can think about regulation, repair, and biological instruction. A peptide protocol does not force the body into performance; it offers signals that help the body remember order. The work is deliberate, measured, and deeply aligned with longevity.

Wim's Wise Words

A second take, from someone who's lived it.

If you take one thing from this, take the word signal seriously. Peptides and bioregulators are not just another item to add to a shelf of supplements. They ask for more respect than that. A signal can guide repair, but the wrong signal, at the wrong time, in the wrong body, can create noise.

That is where I would be careful. The promise here is real enough to pay attention to, and complex enough to stay humble around. When something can influence inflammation, metabolism, mitochondrial output, or gene expression, you do not approach it casually. You slow down. You measure. You work with someone who understands the terrain.

Where I Would Start

Before chasing a peptide protocol, I would look at the basics that make any signal easier for the body to receive. Sleep. Morning light. Protein. Strength work. Breath. Heat. Cold. These are not lesser tools. They are the foundation that tells you whether your system can recover, adapt, and return to equilibrium.

Then I would track function, not fascination. Can you climb stairs with more ease. Do you wake clearer. Does training feel less expensive. Is your mood steadier. Are you recovering between sessions. A lab value can help, but your lived capacity matters. The body speaks in output.

This is also why I like the more restrained conversation around peptides. Peptides Need Precision, Not Hype is the right frame. The exciting part is not novelty. The exciting part is precision.

I would be especially cautious if you are already layered with hormones, thyroid medication, stimulants, immune support, or aggressive longevity products. More inputs do not always create more vitality. Often they blur the picture. A good practitioner will know when to pause, when to simplify, and when the most intelligent protocol is restraint.

There is a personal lesson in this article that sits underneath the science. When standard answers do not match your experience, do not abandon discernment. Refine it. Ask better questions. Look wider, but stay exact. The body is not asking for belief. It is asking for attention.

My own bias is simple: build the sanctuary first, then consider the signal. If your daily rhythm is chaotic, peptides become a shortcut in a system that needs order. If your rhythm is deliberate, they may have a clearer place. Recovery works best when the whole environment is listening.