What Cold Exposure Does to Hormones, Stress, and Fertility | Dr. Tom Seager

Sarah Kleiner's cycle-timed cold protocol — pausing at ovulation, restoring leptin sensitivity, rebuilding mitochondrial function — produced the pregnancy two rounds of IVF could not.

Sarah Kleiner spent years navigating IVF failures and metabolic confusion before a cycle-timed cold plunge protocol changed everything. Her conversation with Dr. Tom Seager unpacks the hormonal nuance that most cold exposure advice skips.

When the Standard Path Fails

Two rounds of IVF. Two cycles of careful preparation, clinical monitoring, and sustained hope — and at the end of both, zero viable embryos. The financial cost of that path is significant; the emotional cost is harder to contain. What the clinical system offered next was more of the same: more monitoring, more intervention, more cycles. At some point, the question shifts from asking how to try again to asking what is actually being missed.

The word geriatric appeared in those conversations — a clinical designation applied to any pregnancy at 41 and beyond. The label carries embedded assumptions: that age itself is the obstacle, that the body has crossed some fixed threshold of reproductive viability. That framing deserves scrutiny. Mitochondrial function, metabolic health, and hormonal signaling are the actual determinants of reproductive vitality — and all three are recoverable levers, not fixed ceilings. Calendar age is a proxy, and a blunt one.

What conventional medicine offered in place of that nuance was a reasonable-sounding explanation: statistical decline in egg quality with age, reduced ovarian reserve, increased chromosomal risk. These are real phenomena. But they are not equally distributed across bodies of the same age, and they are not independent of metabolic condition. The quality of the cellular environment — how well the mitochondria are functioning, how cleanly energy is being produced — shapes reproductive outcomes in ways that standard fertility screening does not capture.

A single interview shifted that lens entirely. Dr. Jack Kruse introduced a framework built around leptin sensitivity, circadian biology, quantum biology, and mitochondrial function — the systems that govern how the body manages energy, hormonal balance, and cellular repair. These were not the variables that reproductive medicine had been tracking. Cold exposure, light environment, and seasonal rhythm became the new protocol anchors. The mitochondria, functioning well, provide the cellular energy that fertility requires; compromised, they quietly withdraw it, diminishing both clarity and reproductive potential.

Years of working alongside people from different backgrounds, metabolic histories, and genetic profiles confirmed what that framework implied: there is no universal formula. What transforms one person's health can destabilize another's. Bio-individuality is not a soft concession to complexity — it is a clinical fact. Rigid protocols, applied broadly, produce unpredictable outcomes. The conversations that move people forward always begin with the individual, not the rule.

The stakes of that principle were clear in her own metabolic history. Carrying genetic markers for obesity, diabetes, and heart disease, she had lost and regained 100 pounds three separate times — not for lack of discipline, but because the underlying cellular dysfunction continued unchecked while symptoms were managed on the surface. The body kept resetting to its disrupted baseline. Treating the surface without addressing the metabolic root produced the same cycle: effort, temporary change, regression. Restoring function required going deeper.

Reproductive medicine, at its best, is a remarkable tool. But for some patients, it addresses the outcome — the failed cycle, the absent embryo — without examining the metabolic environment that produced it. IVF can circumvent mitochondrial dysfunction; it does not repair it. Understanding what was actually driving the failures was the necessary first step toward a different kind of recovery.

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This is the complete transcript of Sarah Kleiner's conversation with Dr. Tom Seager on the Evolving Wellness podcast. Click any timestamp to jump to that moment in the video.

0:00

Introduction

Sarah: We did two very expensive emotional rounds of IVF and both of them we got zero viable embryos and uh it was kind of like now what? Um and it was during the IVF process that I actually interviewed Dr. Jack Cruz. I was given that opportunity and he is the one I always I've only had one conversation with Dr. Cruz that was the one and only. Um, and I went on a different path after speaking with him, of studying with a lot of different people and understanding it through this other lens. But he did put me on this path of like you need to understand, he told me you need to understand leptin, circadian biology, quantum biology, and how your mitochondria work. These are going to be the keys for you in getting and staying pregnant.

1:00

The Nuance Problem

Sarah: There's a lot of talk about peptides, MTHFR, hormones, red light therapy, cold therapy, diet. And what it comes down to in a lot of these conversations is that it's either good or it's bad. That there is one particular formula that's going to work for everyone. And if you're a human being living on the earth these days, you know that's not true. And if you're like me and work with a lot of different people from a lot of different backgrounds with a lot of different health scenarios, you know firsthand that what might work beautifully for one person could be a complete disaster for the other.

2:00

Bio-Individual Approach

Sarah: So today I have my friend and returning guest Cash Con back on the show to talk about this and to talk about peptides, hormones, cold therapy, diet, the MTHFR, all of these things that there's a lot of nuance missing in the conversation. What works, what doesn't work, why NAD or glutathione or even a GLP1 might be a bad idea for you or a good idea. I hope you enjoy today's episode. Of course, none of this is medical advice. It is just for informational purposes only.

3:00

Meeting in Tennessee

Tom: Sarah, thanks for joining me on the Uncommon Living podcast.

Sarah: Thank you for having me. It's always a pleasure to chat with you.

Tom: Well, um, we met in Tennessee at, uh, Oxana Hansen's return to nature, even though we sort of known one another for a few years through ice baths and metabolism. And what I didn't appreciate when I met you, is how much you've been working on your own metabolism and the reasons why. I think this is super important to share with our audience because ever since Stacy Sims made the rounds on some of the most popular podcasts in the world, saying, "Well, ice baths aren't very good for women and they should really be careful with ketosis" and saying a lot of things that contradict the experience of women who have been doing ice baths and going in and out of keto and changing their lives with metabolic interventions.

5:00

Sarah's Health Journey

Sarah: My own health journey has taught me so much. And then I've also been working with people for about the last 15 years in some capacity. I come from a long line of diabetic, overweight, metabolically kind of compromised individuals. Was overweight for most of my life. I lost 100 pounds three separate times and I just struggled. I've done genetic testing—I have multiple markers genetically for obesity, diabetes, heart disease. So, the cards are definitely stacked against me. I started this world of metabolic intervention by way of the carnivore diet. And at first it was amazing. It worked really well. And then there was the whole issue of metabolic down regulation and starting to see a lot of those hormones flatlining and trying to get pregnant and realizing that was not an optimal diet for fertility long term.

7:00

Pregnancy Losses & IVF

Tom: What age were you when you lost your first pregnancy?

Sarah: 41. So I was, you know, they'll tell and that's what the doctors say.

Tom: They will call you geriatric. Maybe they don't do that anymore, but 41 is not geriatric. But in the United States, the decline in metabolic health and mitochondrial function is so rapid in men and women that typically by 41 a gynecologist would consider a woman high risk.

9:00

Discovering Quantum Biology

Sarah: I had two pregnancy losses and the doctors were like well you know maybe it's time for you to go to reproductive endocrinology and I said fine. We did two very expensive emotional rounds of IVF and both of them we got zero viable embryos. It was during the IVF process that I actually interviewed Dr. Jack Cruz. He told me, you need to understand leptin, circadian biology, quantum biology, and how your mitochondria work. These are going to be the keys for you in getting and staying pregnant. That really put me down this rabbit hole studying with the Quantum Biology Collective, going through their program levels one and two, getting the board certification.

11:00

Cold Plunging Reluctance

Sarah: Someone who was a coach in kind of Jack's group told me, "You're an H2 haplotype, which means I'm a northern Haplotype. You need to be getting cold along in this." And I was like, you're no, I don't want to do the cold plunges. I really don't want to.

Tom: Nobody wants to do the cold plunges. Joe Rogan doesn't want to do the cold plunges. Professor Seager doesn't want to do the cold plunges. I don't know anybody who wants to do the cold plunges.

Sarah: I just looked at him. I was like, you're crazy. And then you have the other voices saying Chinese medicine says you need to keep yourself warm and nourished...

25:00

Cold Exposure & Fertility Timing

Sarah: I really cold plunged up until I got that positive ovulation sign and then I said, "Okay, that's it." And I was like, I won't cold plunge again until if I get pregnant, I will wait, but if I'm not pregnant, then I'll wait until like cycle day one to do it again. And that's the month I end up getting pregnant. So, I always say I probably could have gotten pregnant a month sooner if I had known that.

Tom: It is a good tip for women who are trying to replicate your results. You can keep this in mind 3-4 days when you know you're ovulating. Let your immune system back off. This is a foreign body that has yet to attach itself to you and you don't want your immune system to get confused.

27:00

Cold During Pregnancy

Tom: But then what did you do with your cold therapy during your pregnancy?

Sarah: I honestly didn't do any. What I did do is I saved up for a Morosco forge so that I would have one ready when my son was born. I was a little bit nervous because I had had so many losses. I was like, I just don't want to do any stressors during pregnancy. I probably could have and would have been fine because I have a good friend of mine, Amy, who cold plunged through both of her pregnancies. I will say though that it was a ridiculously easy labor.

49:00

Carnivore Diet Experience

Sarah: My blood sugars would run in the 90s sometimes low 100s and I had very low ketones when I was doing carnivore the standard carnivore way. I did all kinds of iterations of carnivore in the two years just trying to make it work. I did go through a period where I took the protein level down a little bit, took the fat way up to make keto, like very good ketones. Unfortunately, I end up gaining a good amount of weight from that strategy, which I see happen with women. A lot of women go with this deep ketosis carnivore approach. They lose weight initially. But many women that come to me do that and they end up gaining weight because the satiety factor isn't necessarily there.

51:00

Seasonal Approach

Sarah: It wasn't until I really got deep into changing to a more seasonal approach and understanding leptin and how to become more sensitive to leptin that the weight came off without me even dieting. You have to find an approach that works the best for your body. Carnivore, to go back to your original question, a lot of times is not by default ketosis or ketogenic. And ketosis or ketogenic diet is not by default a weight loss strategy for everyone. It can be, but it's not as black and white as some people would have you believe.

53:00

Seasonal Eating Philosophy

Tom: I really admire what Shawn Baker is doing. He's the carnivore doctor. On the other hand, I think Mike Muscle's pretty great, too. And he's the one making sourdough pancakes. The seasonal approach is the one that makes the most sense to me.

Sarah: I'm not going to eat those blueberries that are flown in from Argentina in January in Phoenix. But try to tell me in the middle of the summer I can't have a peach when I'm living in Georgia. That's not going to be a fun conversation. It's appropriate to the light environment that I'm in, to the thermal environment that I'm in.

55:00

Results of Seasonal Approach

Sarah: I'm leaner now at 46, almost 47, than I was when I was constantly trying to adhere to carnivore, to keto. I was trying to do it all the time. And what I found for myself and then literally with hundreds of students, people who come through my programs and are in my membership community, it's the same. They've just gone through these regimented programs and it's ended up causing a rebound effect and they're kind of just left feeling restricted and a little bit depressed. And then we go to a more seasonal approach.

73:00

Closing Message

Tom: Sarah, thanks for sharing your story. I hope that your experiences are going to encourage other people to do their reading, to fix their metabolism, to seek alternative medical or clinical teams when they do become pregnant. There's so many things that people seeking to conceive or start a family or grow a family really need to know. And I think the most important one right now is 41 ain't old. 41 isn't geriatric. 41 doesn't mean that you are instantly a candidate for IVF. There are a lot of things that you can do to restore your mitochondrial function, restore your metabolism, and restore your fertility.

Sarah: Yeah. The oldest client I've had so far had a healthy baby boy at age 47, 100% naturally. It's possible.

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Cold, Cycles, and the Implantation Window

Cold plunging was not the natural next step. The idea of deliberate cold immersion — sitting in ice water as a fertility intervention — felt counterintuitive, even unwelcome. Then a practitioner in the quantum biology community raised a specific detail: an H2 haplotype, a genetic marker associated with northern ancestry, and a likely benefit from consistent cold exposure. It was a nudge, not a directive. But it was enough to shift reluctance into curiosity.

The counterargument was already present in the conversation. Traditional Chinese medicine holds that warmth and nourishment are the preconditions for fertility — that the body needs protection from cold stress during the reproductive cycle. That perspective carries its own logic; thermal stress is real, and the body's response to it is not neutral. The question was not which tradition was correct, but where they overlapped and where they diverged. Holding both frameworks required precision, not preference.

I really cold plunged up until I got that positive ovulation sign and then I said, 'Okay, that's it.' And that's the month I end up getting pregnant.

What emerged was a protocol grounded in cycle awareness rather than constant application. Cold plunging continued freely through the follicular phase — up until the appearance of a positive ovulation sign. At that point, a deliberate pause. No cold immersion for the several days surrounding the ovulation window. The logic was straightforward: the body was entering its most immunologically sensitive phase, and the protocol needed to meet that moment differently.

Cold exposure activates the sympathetic nervous system, sharpening alertness and marshaling immune vigilance — a form of productive resilience built through consistent practice. That same immune activation, however, may interfere with implantation. The early embryo is genetically distinct from the mother's body; an immune system primed by cold stress may register it as foreign. Easing off cold exposure in the days surrounding ovulation creates the conditions for the immune system to stand down, allowing implantation to proceed without interference.

The timeline made the pattern clear. In every previous cycle, cold plunging had continued through ovulation. In the cycle that resulted in a healthy pregnancy, it did not. That three-to-four day pause — timed precisely to the ovulation window — was the single change in an otherwise consistent protocol. The month the timing shifted was the month conception occurred. That correlation is not a guarantee; it is a signal worth taking seriously.

For women attempting to work with this approach, the timing variable deserves as much attention as the cold exposure itself. The goal is not to eliminate cold from the protocol; it is to calibrate frequency and intensity to the cycle's phases. The follicular phase supports consistent cold exposure. The implantation window calls for restraint. This is not reduction — it is precision applied to the right moment.

What made this approach workable was the refusal to discard either framework — traditional or scientific — in favor of the other. Cold exposure carries well-documented benefits: it releases dopamine and norepinephrine, supporting mood and sharpening focus; it drives hormetic adaptation, building cellular resilience over time. But those benefits do not arrive without trade-offs. At certain moments in the reproductive cycle, the calculus shifts. Recognizing those moments is what separates a deliberate protocol from a rigid rule.

Leptin, Seasons, and What Carnivore Gets Wrong for Women

The carnivore diet was the starting point — and for a time, it worked. Blood sugar stabilized, energy improved, and the metabolic picture began to clarify. Then the gains plateaued, and something more concerning emerged: hormonal flatlines and the early signs of fertility disruption. Metabolic downregulation is the body's protective response to prolonged dietary restriction; it reduces output to match perceived scarcity, which impairs energy and hormonal signaling precisely when fertility demands both.

A specific variation made the pattern acute. Reducing protein and dramatically increasing fat — the classic deep-ketosis approach — produced strong ketone readings. It also produced weight gain. This outcome appears repeatedly among women who adopt high-fat carnivore protocols: initial progress, followed by plateau, followed by incremental rebound. When the satiety signaling that leptin governs is disrupted, adding more dietary fat does not restore it — it compounds the disruption.

The pivot was toward a less rigid approach — one built around seasonal alignment rather than fixed macronutrient ratios. Eating what is appropriate to the local light environment and thermal season is not a diet in the conventional sense; it is a return to biological context. A peach in summer in Georgia belongs. Blueberries flown from Argentina in January do not. The body's nutritional needs shift with the season, and a protocol that ignores that shift accumulates mismatches between input and biology.

Try to tell me in the middle of the summer I can't have a peach when I'm living in Georgia.

Leptin is the master regulator of energy balance and satiety. When leptin sensitivity is intact, the body reads its own fullness and responds accordingly — weight management becomes a byproduct of biological calibration rather than the product of willpower. Chronic dieting and rigid restriction impair that sensitivity; the signals become muted, and the body's ability to self-regulate erodes. Restoring leptin sensitivity — through light alignment, thermal rhythm, and seasonal eating — allows the body to find its equilibrium without active restriction, and with it, a recovery of energy and vitality.

The results arrived not through more discipline but through less rigidity. Leaner at 46 — approaching 47 — than during years of strict carnivore and ketogenic adherence. Not because restriction had intensified, but because the underlying regulatory systems had been restored. Hundreds of clients working through similar programs reported the same trajectory: the rebound effect of rigid dieting gave way to something steadier, the chronic sense of restriction lifted, and the body moved toward the equilibrium it was always capable of reaching.

The deeper issue is not the carnivore diet specifically — it is the tendency to treat any dietary approach as universally applicable. Carnivore is not inherently ketogenic; ketogenic is not inherently a weight-loss strategy for women. These conflations carry real consequences. Women who enter rigid protocols and encounter disruption rather than transformation are not failing the protocol — the protocol is failing them. The missing variable is almost always the individual's specific hormonal and metabolic starting point.

Forty-One Is Not Geriatric

The designation of geriatric pregnancy at 41 is not rooted in the age of the body's cells — it reflects the observed decline in metabolic and mitochondrial function that has become common across the patient population. That distinction matters. Chronological age and biological age are not the same. Mitochondrial function governs cellular energy, hormonal signaling, and the quality of the reproductive environment. A body with restored mitochondrial health is not the same as a body that is simply 41 years old.

The rapid decline in metabolic health in the general population is what makes gynecologists cautious at 41. That caution reflects a genuine clinical pattern — not an inevitable biological truth. When metabolic function is restored, when the cellular systems that regulate energy, inflammation, and hormonal balance are operating well, the body's reproductive potential recovers with them. The age on the calendar is not the limiting factor. The function of the underlying biology is.

Cold exposure occupies a specific role within this broader restoration. It activates norepinephrine, supporting mood and mental clarity; it drives mitochondrial biogenesis over time, building cellular energy capacity and resilience. It is not a standalone fertility intervention. It is one tool within a protocol that addresses sleep, light exposure, thermal rhythm, seasonal diet, and metabolic health together. Placed in that context, its contribution becomes both legible and reproducible.

The closing challenge in this conversation was straightforward: read, investigate, repair the metabolism before defaulting to reproductive intervention. Not as a rejection of modern medicine — IVF has enabled pregnancies that would otherwise not have occurred — but as a recognition that intervention without restoration leaves the underlying conditions unaddressed. Seeking clinicians who understand metabolic health and ask about light environment, hormonal rhythm, and mitochondrial function is the work that precedes the intervention — and often makes the intervention more likely to succeed.

The data point that closes this story is not statistical — it is singular. A client who conceived naturally at 47. A healthy pregnancy, a healthy outcome, a body the clinical system had written off years earlier. That result does not guarantee a universal outcome; it demonstrates what restoration makes possible. Reproductive vitality, at its core, is a function of metabolic health — and metabolic health can be recovered.

What this conversation makes clear is a principle that runs counter to much of the standard clinical advice: the body is not defined by its current state of disruption. Aging, metabolic compromise, and reproductive difficulty are not endpoints — they are conditions that respond to informed and deliberate intervention. Cold exposure, seasonal alignment, leptin restoration, and mitochondrial support are the tools. The protocol is individual. And the outcome, when the underlying biology is restored, can exceed what the clinical system predicted.

The oldest client I've had so far had a healthy baby boy at age 47, 100% naturally.