Metabolic Health Is the Root System of Longevity: Transcript

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obese children come from obese parents we could say it's all the foods the lifestyle but it's both their risk and rates of obesity and metabolic compromise are so high compared to a child who's born of a mom who's metabolically sound metabolic dysfunction is the root cause of essentially every disease that we have people don't realize when they hit type 2 diabetes that's Decades of damage it's really a terrible place to be and yet we so casually are like welcome to the club you have a chronic condition and your physician isn't at least bringing up to you dietary and life Lifestyle Changes then they're really not getting to the root cause of yeah they're not doing their job we have to do it all people want to say oh it's this or there's this magic bullet or there's this magic shot and it's not it's the work why is metabolic syndrome creeping down into younger and younger ages I think for children especially it's a double prong problem because ultimate human hey guys welcome back to the ultimate human podcast I'm your host human biologist Gary Brea where we go down the road of everything biohacking anti-aging longevity and everything in between and today's guest is actually somebody I spotted on on my own on the on on the internet I actually really loved her interview on Diary of a CEO with uh Steven Bartlett I've been on that podcast a few times myself he's amazing interviewer and I was just like wow this doctor has a story to tell and I forget how we actually came together but

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how we actually came together but luckily for you guys today Dr Tina Moore is on the ultimate human welcome to the ultimate human thank you I'm so excited to be here I'm such a fan of yours so this is great oh really that makes me feel better yes well I'm a biologist too so you know in my heart so I think we'll have a really fun conversation I'm a human biologist I um um you know I fell in love uh with science um I just found it fascinating and and I also found like that it made a lot of sense um a lot of things in school didn't make a lot of sense to me English you know philosophy didn't make a lot of sense but for some reason you know biology just made a lot of sense to me and I've luckily been able to make a career out of it but you're a naturopathic doctor I am um and a chiropractor I actually went to chiropractic school you did yeah I went to National College of Chiropractic amazing in Lombard where did you go to chiropractic school I went to Western States in Portland okay so kind of the sister school did you go to naturopathic school here too I did okay I did them concurrently which is crazy but wow that's tough yeah I don't know what I was thinking but here we are and and you know um I I I'm I remember watching your interview with uh Stephen I know a lot of people might not fully understand what a naturopathic doctor is I mean the name sort of tells you a lot about it so Enlighten us a little bit on what that entails in terms of training it is it's a four-year medical program and in the state of Oregon we're considered primary care physicians we have a full license to prescribe full scope wow um it's not the case in every state though not every

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the case in every state though not every State's licensed and really the way that I think about it is when people people tend to understand functional medicine we are the grandmother of functional medicine was really appropriated out of naturopathic medicine and it's truly the root cause medicine and it is the idea that we utilize nature and the body's innate healing abilities which jives with Chiropractic as well that the body can naturally innately heal itself the cool part about my training was I was blessed to have an incredible Mentor who taught me really the Art and Science of blending alpath medicine with naturopathic medicine so I always say you know I have a license to prescribe and I'm not afraid to use it because I like that the goal is really the way I describe it is if a patient comes in in a Litany of pharmaceutical drugs it's my job to improve lifestyle and function and help them get a up so that they can start implementing some of these lifestyle strategies because it's not that easy it's not as simple as saying here do all of these things that are super overwhelming and good luck and then we can hopefully get the medications down to a dull roar or out but you know I think that there's a way to utilize both and do so in a really elegant manner I love how you say um address their lifestyle um because I think that uh that's the that that's the missing link in my opinion in in all of our approach to my modern medicine and and I don't um I don't say that to

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and I don't um I don't say that to necessarily attack modern medicine I just think that if you if you're Physician's not talking to you and you have a chronic condition um or you're obese or you're struggling with some kind of chronic disease or you struggling with autoimmune condition and your physician isn't at least bringing up to you dietary and lifestyle changes um then they're really not getting to the root cause of yeah they're not doing their job yeah we have to do it all you know people want to say oh it's this or there's this magic bullet or there's this magic shot or there's this magic whatever it is and it's not it's the work you have to put the work in every day Y and you have to optimize your Wellness the best you can and we're all different we all come in with a different story behind us we all have different levels of toxicity we have different levels of abuse and Trauma we have a whole story that we bring you know to the visit and it's not my job to judge how the patient got there I'm just trying to help them untangle it yeah and and you know I've listened to a lot of your interviews and I think there's uh a common theme actually to a lot of my podcasts if you if you're if you've ever watched a series of ultimate human podcasts I I think that the people that have solved a problem in their life or had a painful journey and emerged from that maybe they it was drug and alcohol addiction maybe it was a relationship maybe it was they had Lyme disease and they went on a um a journey of their own and they figured out this solution you know these are the most passionate purpose-driven people that I find make the biggest impact on in the

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find make the biggest impact on in the world and and almost everybody that's sat in that seat on the ultimate human podcast has had a journey like that and I um I heard you talk about your journey with your mother um and it was very compelling to me because I think it's very typical of um you know like like the dentist always has the cavity and like um the contractor always has the drywall that needs to be repaired yeah and you talked about how um you know here you were this functional medicine practitioner emerging functional medicine practitioner and your mother um was suffering from a chronic autoimmune disease and I wonder if you might talk a little bit about that because um I feel like that is probably a large part of your drive and your your commitment to your craft well it my mom actually I was telling you earlier that I specialized in Prolotherapy years and years long before it was cool decades before it was cool and finally becoming non woowoo science I hope I feel like we're losing it I feel like people are not doing it as often but I first became interested in that because I began working for my mentor Dr Rick Marinelli who was doing what I thought was magic in his clinic and he told me that there was a way to regenerate joints and I was like what because my mom's had my mom had had a really long history of hip issues lots of surgeries as a child and her other hip was of my utmost concern I'm like we got to keep mom's other hip

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I'm like we got to keep mom's other hip good so that kind of started me into really taking the path down that's why I got my naturopathic license was so I can inject people I mean it was like yeah I needed to be able to inject and also prescribe more importantly so I could take people off their Pharmaceuticals if you can prescribe them you can unprescribed and then I spent 10 years in clinical practice really busy regenerative medicine practice and I like you had so many Gadgets in my clinic and doing IVs and ozone and all of that and then I actually left clinical practice in 2018 and started shutting it down because I was hitting pretty severe burnout and then in 2019 my mom just got taken down with crohn's disease and I was not paying attention I was it was sort of happening before your eyes but you were not I was not paying attention yeah and she kept telling me she didn't feel good and my mom never complains my mom is a tough little gal she I call her my little mama she comes up here on me you know when I hug her I put my head on her my chin on her head and she was struggling and wasting in front of me and I have this weird Clairvoyance where I can kind of see the reaper after people and I'm usually spot on and she was in my apartment and she came out of the bathroom and I looked at her and I was like oh no wow like she was in black and white you know I I was telling you we were talking about Vitality earlier I see people in color and likea yeah there's like various shades of vit it and there's some people that just beam sunshine and they're so healthy and they glow and it comes

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healthy and they glow and it comes booming out of them and then there's other people that start to go into gray scale and that's how I can gauge how healthy they are how hard I can hit them with a therapy yeah it really depends on what that vibration of their Vitality is which I know sounds woo but I know you understand not at all you know I and I don't really don't mean to cut you off but I mean I think some of the oldest medicine in the world aaic medicine for example is based on observation yeah um and it's so funny how we we want to you know Eastern medicine wants to pooo Western medicine and because um but but it's got centuries of data it's because they can't see it people who can't see it want to poo poo it and anyway she was in grayscale and that's not good not my mentor was in Gray scale when I found out he had cancer like I just I can see the you know the looming Reaper and I looked at her and I said oh no and then I had to pull out all the stops the exomes the stem cells I mean thank God I had the tools that I had available to me but we threw them all her and I pulled her out of this Tail Spin and then I handed her off to my favorite naturopathic doctor because I don't want to manage my patient my family's chronic health issues that's not you know that's a bit of an ethical dilemma so got her in good hands but she was needing Pharmaceuticals from Canada that were really expensive and we kind of got her okay okay and then I stumbled upon the glp1 data yeah and just started fascinating playing with everyone who was willing I was like here is a clinical indication here's the data to

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clinical indication here's the data to support it would you be willing to try this and put her on like a minuscule dose and just remarkable like her pain reduction she had full y full body pain for as long as I can remember her whole life and just to have her out of pain yeah and just to have proper gut function and she can actually go out and eat with us and just little things that we don't realize you know and then my dad my dad's morbidly and diabetic my dad is on a more traditional standard dose but we went very slow and low different from the traditional dosing protocall and I got my dad back my dad is back I mean he's not 100% And there's a lot of damage done that he self-inflicted along the way but I just I'll die on this hill when people want to vilify it because I'm like no it's just not being done right yeah no I I love that I was really fascinated by that approach because I I pride myself on trying not to be too dogmatic about because I did find myself going down that opposite Road and then I was like you know what are you really just paring what you're hearing out there good for you or are you seeing this and because I'm I'm a partner in a functional medicine clinic as well and with real functional medicine practitioners treating thousands of patients um so are you taking data that you're really seeing or are you just listening to sort of the parrots that um and some very well-known parrots that are sort of oh you two-thirds of the weight that you lose is lean body mass and then immediately you think lean body

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and then immediately you think lean body mass well you're just losing all this muscle well I don't want to waste away and be skinny fat um and of course that's going to happen if um you lose weight and you don't strength train and you don't keep your protein content up and other things anyway but just to back up for a second for for the folks that um don't know what glp1 is um or what a glp1 Agonist is can you describe a little bit what you know what what is the good go like poly peptide when what what is the glp in in the body so it is a peptide that our body makes endogenously and our guts and in our brains that's really what got me excited I was like it's made in the brain there must be impact in the brain yeah important impact Beyond just appetite suppression it does work in the brain to reduce it kind of the food hunger and appetite suppression at high enough doses but I think there's also just an onus of control that it is impacting there's some dop mean circuitry serotonin circuitry that it is impacting and and not in a way that is completely turning people into zombies There's you know there's talk going around on some of these podcasts where people say oh it takes all of your drive away it takes all of your pleasure away I think that's a dosing problem so that was really interesting to see what it was doing in the dra brain neuro regenerative properties studies happening on Alzheimer's and Parkinson's that's what got me excited in the first place I was like this is really fascinating and then in the body there's receptors all over the body in different organ systems and it's

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body in different organ systems and it's doing different things all over we know it as it just happened to get utilized for type two diabetes because it has an impact on our blood sugar on our insulin signaling I think that there's Pathways happening that they don't even appreciate that I'm digging up where just the whole insulin pathway I mean just metabolic pathways in general that are being impacted by glp1 favorably so it heals metabolism as much as itow controls appetite and I mean there's impacts on ampk and CER one like there's just I think long enough when a patient's on it for long enough because it's a peptide they're healing they're regenerative and they're anti-inflammatory and I think that there if it's done properly and the person is doing all the lifestyle pieces there's a healing impact on these metabolisms that are completely busted because some people really are it's too far gone we can do all the lifestyle intervention we do the diet and exercise but they have gone so far into mitochondrial dysfunction and so far down to metabolic dysfunction people don't realize when they hit type two diabetes that's Decades of damage yeah that's the end of the road right it's really really yes it's really a terrible place to be and yet we so casually are like oh now you have fatty liver and type two diabetes welcome to the club right like welcome to where most Americans are sitting and people don't realize the just devastating impact of that my mentor taught me decades ago to watch people's metab olic Health watch their waist circumference like those are the most important variables watch their muscle mass as a Vital sign and my

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mass as a Vital sign and my colleagues were giving me [__] way back when like oh Dr Tina thinks everybody has metabolic dysfunction I'm well everybody does have metabolic dun I saw it happening and I was like why does every patient have and this is 20 years ago you know why does every patient have metabolic dysfunction so anyway gp1s work in a myriad of ways but we know them to suppress appetite slow gastric motility have pancreatic impact and that's kind of it and I even see obesity docks keeping it that kindergarten and I'm like no they do so many more things in the body hey guys I'm really excited to announce this perfect aminos has gotten a serious upgrade they've added nucleotides the building blocks of our nucleic acids DNA and RNA and this is important we know essential amino acids are the building blocks of protein and collagen having all the essential amino acids in the correct ratio is necessary for complete protein synthesis without the caloric impact but if we want perfect protein synthesis we need to look at the process of protein synthesis itself because if the process is faulty we won't get the correctly made protein collagen fibrin or the red blood cells in our bloodstream or our muscles we can even stop creation of specific proteins which can affect us in so many different ways our DNA and our RNA are what direct protein synthesis building new proteins if our DNA or RNA get damaged from toxins harmful bacteria or just plain aging we get faulty

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or just plain aging we get faulty protein synthesis so cells enzymes and hormones are less functional and we get premature aging by adding nucleosides and nucleotides the building blocks of the nucleic acids DNA and RNA our cells get exactly what they need to help repair faulty DNA and RNA and improve the process of protein synthesis itself this is next level science and you need to try these now let's get back to the ultimate human podcast yeah and I think um to you get uh you pointed out something that I've been screaming from the rooftops that you know they talk about medary thyroid cancer um and when when OIC was first you know uh launched um our Clinic director Dr sarda who's a board certified OBGYN she was the one that was determining whether or not we would use it in our patients and she was looking through all the research I was looking through the research and I said you know the menul thyroid cancer was really only in the rat studies um it didn't actually happen in the human trial um and you're the only other person that I've ever heard point that out um and then also it's it's you know there's there's a difference between causation right and you know when something is actually D directly related but when you have a toxic biome you know somebody who has advanced metabolic syndrome and they've got type two diabetes or they have um hyperinsulinemia or you know they're they're morally obese um that's the high-risk category to begin with it wasn't the introduction of the glp1 that boosted them to um you know having

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boosted them to um you know having thyroid cancer it wasn't causitive yeah it wasn't it's correlative at best and even I think recently they've looked at so many meta analysis and long-term data and they're like we just don't see the link of it causing thyroid cancer in humans or causing pancreatic you know cancer in humans even the select trial that concluded at the end of 2023 the the uh CBO group had a higher rate of pancreatic cancer than really or pancreatitis than the the treatment group wow it's just I don't know I mean yes I think if you shove somebody hard though because you were talking about co-actors and how you have to have systems in place before you know metabolic systems and nutrient status has to be in place before you start slamming people with treatment yes so I do think when you take a group that's already metabolically compromised already sitting on the edge of some of these pathologies the thyroid cancer the gast PES all of those things are more common in those who are diabetic and obese and then you slam them with something that's going to just shove those metabolic pathways right and they've got low muscle mass and high inflammatory fat and possibly other pathogens and other things going on it's just like yeah what's going to happen you I think really you can send people over the edge so my theory is always slow and low and just nudge them along I love that because we we've learned the slow and low Theory um by design by mistake because you know we've all done that we you know in in you know i' I've seen our clinical teams in the best interest of the patient say oh wow you've got heavy metal toxicity or you've got high viral loads or you have

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you've got high viral loads or you have um uh chronic MotoX or mold Spore even a a low-grade viral infection or even parasitic infection and then you hit them too hard to get rid of that pathogen and then you know parasitic die off or you know aggressive heavy metal detox which we were talking about um uh with your husband before we we came in um you know those those things can make the patient sicker than what they had when they started yep right like heavy culation therapy or um you know I actually have a a staff member of ours that um found out on a test that she had uh certain parasite in her vow and then went on a heavy parasitic detox um and ended up in the emergency room yep um and made very sick they yeah the thing I think with the gp1s and the gastric issues I wonder and I this makes a lot of sense to me it shifts the microbiome to a more favorable less pathogenic microbiome but I'm betting a lot of the initial experience that people are having the side effects is not necessarily due to the mechanism of action of the glp1 but maybe from the die off right when that biome shifts and it's being shifted too aggressively and too fast and furious and maybe they're still pounding the foods that you know you you eat what your bugs want right so they're eating the foods referential to those pathogenic organisms and then they're having a shift and they're probably having a diof reaction in many cases you have to prepare people and you have to prepare people for weight loss you can't just drop people into Extreme

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you can't just drop people into Extreme Weight Loss like there's so much toxicity in your fat cells so there's a lot of reasons here why I think that a more personalized slow approach is probably a better approach for most everybody because at the end of the day these can be very effective and therapeutic and like truly therapeutic not just a Band-Aid right but like anything you know they it's like all the doctors got their hands on it and they're going by the recommended dosages which I understand but like you were saying we can use things off label yes and we can do a more personalized patient - centered approach to dosing I do that with all the medications I prescribe so happy to hear that it's so great like everything like even anti-depressants statin drugs all the different drugs that I prescribe I do a personalized approach it's never the same for two people it's not an algorithm it's like how much how old is this person what gender are they what age are they what's their Vitality status how much muscle do they have how much fat what's their toxic burden like that's going to dictate whether it's prednisone or an antibiotic or I mean it's all a hormone replacement therapy like it's never one it's always individualized and you know that was even during the pandemic when when um and I'm not saying I'm Pro antivaccine but I remember when the vaccine was first being prated I was like well I you know I sit on the board of the NFL Alumni Association athletica and um you know some of our members are like former nose tackles for you know uh NFL teams and so you know these guys would come in um and they're six5 66 um 320 lbs and I have a um a

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320 lbs and I have a um a 5-year - old niece and she's 47 PBS and I was like okay this guy's coming into my unit he's ducking under the door jams and my 5-year - old niece is hanging out to at 47 pounds and I'm like he'll never convince me that these two people get the exact same dose of the exact same thing and have the exact same reaction I mean this guy looks like he ate a water buffalo for lunch and she's like you know I mean she she's five and and like I I can't I I just I can't get my and maybe there's scientific evidence to refute that but that was my initial hesitation is like that doesn't make sense to me um and and very often you know dosages in in Pharmaceuticals or naturopathic medicines um um vitamins minerals amino acids those things also make sense to be done according to you know the patient but I want to back up for a second because um you're you're touching on one of my favorite subjects and I think it just gets glossed over and we use a lot of these terms like metabolic Health metabolic dysfunction and a lot of people don't know what we're referring to and I've heard um people that I hold in very high regard which I happen to agree with um uh Dr Casey means um uh c means her brother several others that been on my podcast who will say you know metabolic dysfunction is the root cause of essentially every disease that we have yeah and when you say metabolic dysfunction um and metabolic syndrome I just wonder if you could speak on that for a minute you know so

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speak on that for a minute you know so that my audience could understand when you're talking about metabolic dysfunction or metabolic syndrome what what are you referring to so a more traditional definition would be you know the foods that we ingest and the way that our body breaks them down to be utilized as fuel that would be your metabolism and how do we process how do we cellularly process the carbohydrates fats and proteins that we're eating and do they go to the right places and get utilize the right way are the right Pathways being turned on these are Pathways that run our mitochondria rev our mitochondria which are the powerhouses of our cells but the way I explain it to patients is you know something has gone wrong in the environment when I tell them that they're metabolically busted and that's really it to me it's like Machinery is going you know something is wrong the engine isn't running correctly in the community right yeah and we're spewing out things that we don't want and we're not processing things the way we do and this is all contingent on the person's overall health their age their muscle mass again their toxicity burden how they came into the picture it's contingent on their microbiome their gut health their hormonal balance and health there's all of these factors that play in but at the end of the day a lot of it we do have control over and that would be our muscle mass that would be the foods we're choosing to put in our mou that would be the sleep that we're choosing to optimize or not you know people really kind of [__] around and find out what their sleep it's not good I love that you said that [__] around and find out with your sleep we can say that on I think on YouTube yeah

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can say that on I think on YouTube yeah um but so that that all the all of those things your stress level is really important when it comes to your metabolic machinery and how your cells are handling and your cells are a little you know microcosm in of themselves and your mitochondria are actually back bacteria and they're symbiotic and so we're living with these organisms in our body and that all of that adds up to how our body takes in these foods and process them into Fuel and it's used as fuel so there's problems on the intake there's problems on the outtake and my job really is just to get people at least doing the non-negotiables the lifestyle factors these are non-negotiables for everyone so I was telling people to eat steak and deadlift like a long time before it was cool w we ate steak right before we came on the podcast I know was perfect but you know that back when the health influencers were telling them to go vegan and do yoga I was like okay that's nice but you need animal protein and you need muscle and I'm really glad it's catching on and you know women weren't into it nobody wanted to hear it it was not sexy but it's the not sexy stuff it's I mean the biohacking stuff is cool and fun too but at the end of the day if you're not doing the basics and putting in the work then you will be metabolically compromised and then that's on a spectrum and over here we have you know pre-diabetes or metabolic syndrome as they call it they used to call it Syndrome X that's what my mom was diagnosed with when she was right when I met my mentor and went to work for him she was in her 40s she had gained a tremendous amount of weight menopause was kicking her ass and I didn't know my mom for a minute I was like who is this woman that has taken

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like who is this woman that has taken over this body and I think a lot of women can relate to that or a lot of all of us probably saw a woman in our lives go through menopause and we were like what is happening to this poor woman yeah and she gained a bunch of weight and this is back when they called it Syndrome X do you remember those before and my mentor Rick diagnosed her with Syndrome X and told her to go lift weights and to you know stop eating white foods and yeah don't worry about cardio go build muscle and this was back in the early 90s good for him and so we were like do what we're not supposed to go elliptical ourselves into Oblivion so I watched it progress for her though and I watched it really derail her health and that for me was very eye - openening and I did not want that for myself and my whole family on both sides is a bunch of little apples shaped diabetics at the end of the day you know and it's I just I hit 40 and I was like I that is not going to be my fate I'm not I'm gonna listen to what Rick told me to do I wasn't listening and I didn't listen for a decade and I was like okay I'm gonna do it now so well I love what you're saying because you know I often talk about that too you know the longevity and Optimal Health is not found in the Exotics it's really found in the basics um I mean I have a sincere belief that sleep is our human superpower um I really think sleep is our superpower I I really focus on sleep I schedule all of my meetings and travel around sleep and exercise and when I made that shift it had made a dramatic change in in my life and I've learned to

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change in in my life and I've learned to bookend my sleep with uh a routine to go to sleep and a routine to wake up and I do it religiously I've done it every day for probably 40 I want to know what it months um I'll tell you I mean it's it's pretty simple I mean it's very portable and I post about it all time like I I I'll do these intense travel schedules you know like nine cities in 11 days and some of the Cities will be on opposite sides of the world so I change time zones a lot you know from Miami LA to New York to Dubai um arrain Abu Dhabi back to New York and and I'll post sleep scores and I um and I like to do that and sometimes I'll say the night before that I'm going to post them the next morning and then I get nervous I'm like Sho what if I what if my sleep score really sucks tonight but um but I think so few people have a routine for their sleep and when you ask them how do you go to sleep they just go well I go to bed and I'm like what time you go to bed well whenever I'm done my work day or whenever I'm finished dinner or whenever I done watching TV and I think sleep has a tendency to really get bullied in our schedule it's like you know it's like the stepchild of our schedule and um so I just have a simple routine um it's I call it contrast therapy and and when I'm at the house I'll do 20 minutes in a dry sauna and then a one minute cold plunge not trying to co myself down too much but when I'm traveling I'll just do um a contrast shower like a um I'll start with a warm shower and then I'll turn the water as hot as I can get it on my spine and I'll stand there for about a minute and a half and then I'll step out of that water stream turn it as cold as it'll go and I step into that stream of water and then I just deal with it for a minute um and then I turn the water off and it

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and then I turn the water off and it breaks that catacol amine cycle I find out that whatever I'm thinking about I stop thinking about that because I'm mildly miserable for a period of time right so if I was like Hey did I get everything on my grocery list today uh did my match my shoes what am I speaking tomorrow you know it just blows those catacol Mees out um I take a sleep mask with me everywhere I go just a $ 6 soft sleep mask that goes around my head um very simple but it has there is zero light getting through there because Andrew huberman was the one that turned me on to how little candle wattage it actually takes through the eyes to raise cortisol yep um and you know if you shut the lights off in in an average you know commercial hotel room even at the Ritz Carlton you know there's light coming there's an LED clock on the you know on the nightstand and then there's five other lights on around the room and then the bathroom light never really goes off and um so I I use a mask and I I sleep with the the room kind of obnoxiously cold which my wife doesn't love um but she's learned to sleep in it too so I dropped the temperature another two degrees um and then I have a breath work technique that I do in bed and if I'm going to be on my phone I'm on my phone before I get into bed and and then um when I get into bed I put the eye mask on and I just do this breathing technique long slow in through the nose about a 3se second pause and then out through a straw and I imagine sounds really corny but I imagine taking all the thoughts from my head and breathing them into my lungs and then breathing them out oh I love

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and then breathing them out oh I love that so I actually focus on that I'm like okay all these things that I'm thinking about okay what time am I going to be on stage tomorrow I got take that thought and I just P to my lungs and I just breathe it out I I'm telling you if if I make it through 10 rounds of that something's wrong and I and I've been tracking on my sleep a how long it takes me to fall asleep and it's been less than 5 minutes for almost 31 days now and sleep scores are usually between like 98 and 100% in the morning within 30 minutes of waking I do breath work um and find the Sun and that's it yeah go find the sun that's that's I know you got to get outside and yeah and so those are the little book ends that I use for sleep and I'm just telling you like my body knows that if I'm doing breath work we it's within 30 minutes of waking if I'm doing a contrast shower we're about to go to bed right when things get really really dark it's time to go to sleep and and definitely if I'm doing the breath work and something about giving my body that routine um so it's relied on it that's that's my sleep pack and it cost you zero except for the Sleep $ 6 mask yeah that's the only expense no so nice and then the earplugs and it's got to be oh you're going next level it's got to be like black out like a tomb in the room I'm yeah that's a big hubby snore over there he snores a little oh he does we'll work on that next a little bit but it's cute well it's cute snor no joke though we met in 2019 and I was at the point where I was like I will not date someone that's going to mess up my sleep so you've got to be a good sleeper and there were men that I was like I like you but you are a terrible

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like I like you but you are a terrible sleeper and I'm not mess you're a terrible sleeper I will not mess with my sleep I will not have it compromised because it's everything and your metabolic Health it takes what like two nights of poor sleep to have your metabolic Health shift in the wrong direction you become transiently insulin resistant and that's I think so many people problem true yeah sleep deiv I never um knew about the link uh between sleep deprivation and um insulin resistance and so many of nearly all of our sleep deprived patients are um insulin resistant and and pre-diabetic yeah and and these are fit looking people um you know they they it doesn't look like somebody who would have typical metabolic syndrome which I I want to go back to that for a second too because I think that you know we're hearing and seeing now metabolic syndrome in younger and younger ages um and I've heard you talk about the toxic soup that we're bathing our cellular biology in and I've also heard you talk about the um importance of of muscle um and I think Dr Gabrielle Lion's doing a great job of getting this message out I love her I've Amplified her message um you know she she wrote a great book um uh you know on on muscle and Longevity but what are your thoughts about that why why is metabolic syndrome creeping down into younger and younger ages and and what could somebody that's listening to this podcast do about it and what would they look for to find out if they have it I think it's I think for children especially it's a double prong

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children especially it's a double prong problem because we are a few Generations into this problem and we're like do you know who pottinger was do you know about pottinger's cats no pottinger Weston Price do you know Weston Price was okay so pottinger was around that same time period and pottinger was doing a veterin I think he was a veterinarian he was looking at cats and he found that if he fed them a particular diet that really all he did was pasteurize the milk and cook the meat that's all he did to alter the food this is back in the 30s I believe that these cats became their their livers enlarged their intestines got boggy and they became infertile very quickly just from cooking the meat and pasteurizing the milk yeah wow I don't know how old you are but I'm guessing similar age 54 I don't mind we are I'm out there I'm 50 we are pot tingers cats Our Generation yeah and it took many generations to get them back to fertility and back to health so we're looking at that I know we're not cats we're humans but we are looking at that right now and so these kids are coming out of metabolically compromised moms like I was Skin and Bones and had PCOS way back in 1995 96 my mentor diagnosed me with it so we're looking at moms who are metabolically compromised swimming in insulin they've got babies in a placenta swimming in insulin for this is for real and these children are coming out epigenetically marked so they're epigenetically marked their rates their risk and rates of obesity and metabolic compromise are so high compared to a

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compromise are so high compared to a child who's born of a mom who's metabolically sound so wow they're already set the stage is already set this is where I know that the deck is already stacked against I know that a lot of people are out there saying like no OIC for children and I'm like I also think that maybe there's a time and a place where we could dose it differently and apply it differently as part of a comprehensive treatment plan because these kids metabolically are already they come out the shoot compromised right and my daughter's 24 and her whole generation is that group we I'm see those all those girls have PCOS even the thin ones yeah so then on the other side we've got obese parents our age cohort is truly I'm not judging anyone but it's a hot mess MH I mean Gen X is a mess right now trust me I see it I feel like I am obligated to save Gen X because I'm like I have answers you guys I went to my high school reunion the other day I mean it was like yeah I I thought I it was like aliens yeah I I mean I thought I walked in the wrong room I didn't go because I this sounds so bad I was like I don't need to see how how everyone's become diabetic and obese like I just knew it was going to be a mess so anyway when we're talking about children who are metabolically compromised nine times out of 10 truly those are the stats their parents are metabolically compromised and or obese obese children come from obese parents and we could say it's all the household the foods the lifestyle but it's both yeah we've got these kids who are epigenetically compromised and we've got a situation that they're living in where they're eating you know clearly I mean the

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eating you know clearly I mean the school lunches are garbage the education around nutrition is garbage I am all for the make America healthy again but why are we trading out Froot Loops for Froot Loops like why are we just not eating Froot Loops how about nobody feed the kids Froot Loops like I'm not going to argue with Kellogg I'm just going to boycott Kellogg right like I don't care like just don't buy that crap and put it in your kid mouth like let's talk about education let's talk about school lunches let's talk about all of these things that we really can have impact on because we have to educate the parents so that is a pickle and so it's both I think this is where we're seeing younger and younger Generations because epigenetically and genetically they're marked and then on the tail end lifestyle and environment is dictating what they're putting in their mouths and we can say all day that let's blame the parents I've had a CH I have a child who had she had PCOS at 6 years old yeah she was raised in a naturopathic household wow the markers on her Labs were already showing the glimmers [__] polycystic Varian she had the markers showing they were coming it was I was like this is coming you guys and I was trying to tell her dad and I was trying to tell my mom and I was trying to tell everybody and nobody wanted to listen to me and here we are here she is as an adult full-blown PCOS and it's like and again the seac tide completely turning that ship around and it's just miraculous so there's so lowd dose smti and over what period of time what what kind of markers were you looking at to see whether or not the PCS was PCOS was resolving because there is a vast portion of my female audience that has grappled with PCOS I think just

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that has grappled with PCOS I think just looking I'm always looking at symptomology first so how are how's their skin how's their hair growth how's you know I mean often we'll see Acne Clearing up when when we're moving in the right direction out of PCOS acne starts to clear the heris and you know the dark hair growth starts to recover you'll see other conditions you'll see fibrocystic breasts you'll see there's just a variety of like hormones gone wrong kind of symptomology right heavy periods difficult periods um irregular periods yeah irregular periods so all of that starts to shift in a more favorable way and things start to become more normalized and I mean I hate to use that term normal but in a healthier way we start to see things shift but the lights come back on the skin clears and the waste comes back you know we go from the tube shape to more of The Hourglass shape more of that like when we start to see in young women in menopausal women when women go from that gynoid you know curvy hourglass figure over to that Android shape where they turn more into it's more of a male shape we that's where we start to see all the disease processes and so especially if the abdominal circumference and all of that right my mentor was always like keep that waist circumference in check that's everything really so he taught me that if your patients aren't strength training their blood pressure is high or elevated and their waist circumference is elevated they have metabolic syndrome period And I think classically it also had to have like um you know elevated insulin High triglyceride hypertension but I think you know what we've noticed

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but I think you know what we've noticed in our clinical practice is if you take you know all of those as individual processes like elevated hemoglobin A1c hyperinsulinemia hyper triglyceridemia um and waste circumference um and hypertension right um you know people think if they only have one or two of those they don't have metabolic syndrome but that's the foundation starting to crack those are the early glimmers yeah so I'm looking at patients and sometimes they're the hardest to convince because their Labs don't add up to anything that looks horrific right but when you put it together in a functional way it's like I'm telling you the story that's coming yeah I'm I'm telling you what chapter 11 is you're on chapter 3 here's what's coming you stay on this path it's going to get worse it's not going to get better and you will end up here and then there's the extreme version of that but people don't seem to I mean longevity is such a trendy word but people don't really seem to have any future casting you tell skinny female Caucasian you know skinny white girl disease that's osteoporosis you tell these very thin light-haired light-eyed very thin women I'm seeing them all over Miami very thin women and I'm like honey you're going to break a hip in 20 years yeah and that's not a fun game like that's the end of the road and you're lucky if you live through that and if you do you know you often will end up with pneumonia in the hospital or you've got a very high increased risk for death over the next two to five years it's huge up to 10 years and they're not looking at that they're like how thin can I stay for how long right when you're 40 you don't want

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long right when you're 40 you don't want to be rail thin like you need to have muscle on you at the very least and then there is protective mechanism I believe to a little bit of fat yeah I I couldn't couldn't agree with you more and you know when I was in the mortality space um I mean that was the the femoral neck break was the the kiss of death and so many people thought that um you know well Grandma fell and broke her hip but the truth is that her hip broke and then she fell yeah because that osteoporotic section you know went to the femoral neck and she would be you know standing there doing dishes and crack the hip breaks and she'd fall and they were like oh my gosh this fall caused this fracture and we were like well no they actually the fracture caused the fall and this is just indicative of how far progressed that condition is and I think that's why it's actually not the fact that you have a fracture in an in older ages I think it's the fact that the skeletal system can't support itself so now you know everything's got you know gone downhill um and osteoporosis really at the end of the day is diabetes of the bones and osteoarthritis is diabetes of the joints I mean this metabolic dysfunction of those regions and the bones and the joints and the muscles are all BFF so if you've got no muscle mass you've got no bone mass yes and you've got terrible joints or they're coming it's all happening you know and malnutrition is a huge driver of that and I was I full admission I was anorexic for a long time where you and if you look at my cartilage under ultrasound it is thin so I'm always trying to do whatever I can to beef things up because I'm paying the price for you know an anorexic teenage

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price for you know an anorexic teenage years I mean it was a I was very malnourished purposely I was very purposely malnourished and I look back on it I'm like oh my God what do you mean by purposely malnourished well I I went vegan okay you know why my dad actually I thought your husband was vegan when he came in because he was the only one that didn't eat the meat are you vegan I don't know he's F he seems to be fasting today oh you just eat before he came okay so I was like in my mind I was like I wonder if he's vegetarian I wouldn't marry okay good I'd like to hear that I wouldn't Mar you look like a steak guy to me so I didn't want to offend you like he raises cattle he's no we don't oh do you dude now you now we're best friends he's a farmer yeah okay good yeah know we we don't I wouldn't have marry I wouldn't they have to sleep and eat meat and like dogs that's yeah good sleep hygiene too don't forget he made it through the sleep yeah yeah but uh no I my dad actually it's funny my dad was a food salesman like he did food sales a food broker and he was one of the biggest Meat Distributors of or one of the biggest Distributors of beef in the Pacific Northwest and I was a disgruntled teen so my way of rebelling just to ultimately piss him off I'll teach you dad was to go vegan and then I put like a meet is murder bumper sticker on the truck I remember those in the 8S they were popular we just had a huge blowout and it was always just me trying to like piss off my dad so I destroyed my health in the process during key hormonal growth years and development but here we are did you piss your dad off though oh yeah okay so that was a success but you know all these years

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success but you know all these years later we've come around we're on the same team now yeah he's like you know I think we all kind of grow and realize our parents were wiser you're like damn it Dad you were right you know I probably almost gave him a heart attack but we're on the same team now we're at the end of the day through the throughout the pandemic we all rallied on the same team so we're good yeah so I want I'm want to get back to muscle and the importance of muscle and Longevity and I think um there are a lot of prominent speakers in this Arena you know uh uh Dr Tia and uh and his book out live um and Dr Gabriel lion um starting to talk about muscle as an thinking of it as an organ yeah um and the organ of longevity I've even heard you know uh Dr Lions use that uh term you know muscles are organ of longevity we don't even think about our muscles being an organ um and so especially for the women out there um talk a little bit about the importance of muscle mass because I think women associate with being muscular with being manly meaning man like physique I don't want to be bulky um and it's hard I think for women to put on enough muscle to be bulky I can't I don't even look like I lift and I work really hard at it it's hard to put it on yeah you know the first time I met gabrielan was in a at a conference and she walks into the gym and she's on her cell phone and she's talking to somebody and she just kind of blows into the gym she grabs the pull-up bar cranks out a bunch of pull-ups and then saunters out of the gym and I was like who is this woman we must be friend this is like M we must be friends yes we

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this is like M we must be friends yes we must be friends um it so I went into muscle because I wasn't listening to my mentor and actually he was dying of cancer sadly and I know myself and when I am grieving I waste I mean left to my own devices I will waste away and I knew it was coming and I it was like I took over his practice it was like two years of watching this demise and it was really painful uh emotionally for me and so I started training for it and I went to him and I was like okay I know this is it but like what do I got to do and he's like you need to put some muscle on so he's like you're not going to waste away on me so I I went into the gym and I was so thin at this point I was so underweight and I looked at the trainer and I was like I need to learn how to deadlift and squat and he goes well do you want to do body composition I'm like dude look at me I was like frail and I was in my 30s and I felt like if I fell down I was going to shatter I was so underweight and it was so many decades of undereating and I said I have to put on some I gotta put a I got to put a you know slab of meat on this meat suit and so he helped me just learn to deadlift and squat and then I could not believe the transition in my mental health in my well-being in my career in my just my onus of power my whole world changed and I was addicted and so I was going to every medical conference I could to talk about this and I was getting heckled by MDS I was getting heckled by naturopathic doctors everybody was like the best exercise is the one the patient wants to do and I'm like no they need to freaking pick up

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like no they need to freaking pick up heavy [__] agree carry it and put it down like trust me cuz I the more that it was completely changing my life the more I studied it and the more I found out I learned about myocin myocin we know about cyto kindes being these pro-inflammatory molecules in our body but the same molecules are produced by the muscle and they're anti-inflammatory they're myocin there's we get hung up on insulin resistance that's just one way to take glucose into the cell it's a sponge to get glute four receptors to the to translocate to the membrane you can also do that by just squeezing muscles so exercise and activating the ampk Ander one Pathways and also just literally squeezing your muscles will get that glute four receptor to the membrane to bring glucose into the cell to be used as fuel it also Spurs up those same Pathways that get your mitochondria revved so and then you think about how can we put more mitochondria in the body because some of us like I got dosed with cypro go like it was going out of style when I was in college that was the big thing in the 90s right it was like oh you have a UTI here's some cypra let's k kill your mitochondria right and so this mitochondrial fatigue that so many of us are dealing with and this mitochondrial compromise you can add muscle it's the only organ I know you can literally build by yourself without any special anything you just go to the gym or body weight or whatever and you can add mitochondria to your meatsuit yes right yeah so you can make a anti-inflammatory mitochondria meat suit that you build I like that that's

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suit that you build I like that that's think that I would wear that that me suit your hormones behave better this whole movement online of like hormone balance I'm watching metabolically compromised women smart doctors friends of mine talk about hormonal balance and I'm like you can't have hormonal balance without optimal muscles you just it's just an illusion yeah putting HRT into a body that's inflamed and metabolically compromised especially if there's a lot of inflammatory atopos tissue fat tissue those hormones go Rogue and go in directions we don't necessarily want and so adding HR to a metabolically compromised woman to me is like playing Russian roulette MH this is where I think gp1s are really beautiful because you can clean up that terrain it literally cleans up the terrain right and then we can get the HRT into these bodies that so desperately need it I'm excited to offer you free access to my premium membership the rule breas as a rule Breer you'll be able to join me for monthly Q & A sessions VIP access to all the challenges I host and advanced access to my most exclusive content to get your free 30-day trial of rule breas head over to joinru bras. com that's joinru bras. com right now now let's get back to the ultimate human podcast so you like the you like lowd doses over a certain period of time to sort of clean up the you know metabolic terrain as you call it and then maybe relooking at the balance of the hormones because I I think you're right you know what's astounding is you know very often we see that you put people on a functional training program um and a

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functional training program um and a whole food diet not raw food I almost said raw food I meant whole food diet um and just that alone pull blood work eight or 10 weeks later and then see what's really wrong right um you get a real accurate picture of well maybe there is some hormonal hypo function um or maybe there is some tary hypofunction but the truth is it's massed when you have this metabolic syndrome and you have all of these other things in the in in the way right so are you a fan of um what markers are you kind of looking at in the in in the blood what do you think it's important to monitor you look at C reactive protein as a general marker of inflammation you look at uh Bas you know C reactive protein uh hemoglobin A1c vitamin D just because I think it's good to have that optimized always huge you know we can look at I like a comp metabolic panel because we can see what the liver is doing and is it being taxed right is it working too hard I think running hormones I just assume though I I really look at hormones from again from a syp symp standpoint if a woman's walking into middle age especially any woman over 40 I think is probably or men too is probably looking at a potential candidate for thyroid support just for longevity reasons again very tiny doses are sometimes all it takes to totally change right their life right and just completely change the pict are you are are you um a big fan of um natural dissected thyroids orated desicated I'm just a big fan of good old Armor Thyroid when we can

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good old Armor Thyroid when we can NP thyroid and then I'm old school like that's how my mentor taught me and then you know obviously supporting the adrenals just so people have a leg up anytime I can get someone a leg up this is also where I think glp ones are amazing because it does something to the neurochemistry it it decreases inflammation in the brain and when we can calm the micral cells down and we can calm the inflammation down and we can get the lights turned on and then we can get those reward Pathways actually working in a more favorable way people feel like they have control of their life back and they want to do the thing so sometimes it takes a few months especially if they're really metabolically compromised it might take three plus months before they say you know I want to exercise now I mean my dad literally was on yeah OIC for nine months and he finally started walking yeah this man was living in a lazy boy night and day I mean it was bad so for nine months and we don't need to talk about dosing on the on on the show but when you say he was on it for nine months a low dose over a long period of time because the typical zpic dosing is you know the it doubles every four weeks until you get to pretty substantial doses at cruising altitude and then essentially you're meant to stay there for life I think it's important to mention that really low doses are much better uh for metabolically healthy people this is not a strategy for people who are really metabolically compromised right but that doesn't mean we need to go fast and heavy so he definitely is on more standard dosing and he has had no side effects even at doses that would make me fall over and

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doses that would make me fall over and end up in the ER so um folks who are really metabolically healthy can handle these tiny tiny doses because they have good muscle mass and maybe like you were saying like these people don't look like they have blood sugar disregulation but they do or maybe they have cardiovascular disease risk or maybe they have cognitive issues or maybe they've had you know and I'm thinking in terms of like traumatic head injuries life of massive stress like what's happening to their brains and so I'm using it a neuroprotective cardiovascular protective way but those who are metabolically compromised have more weight to lose they definitely are looking probably at more traditional dosing but I'm still a fan of going slow and low and I think that the medical establishment is catching on I'm looking at data that different groups medical groups are sharing this one group out of Italy was talking about personalized dosing W and while they were still using higher doses they went much slower and really just meeting the patient where they're at we don't have to dose people a frequency for do you change the frequency because most of these are dosed in weekly um kind of depends on the person and what we're going for so I know of people who are doing it you know much less often and it's just for smoking sensation because there's data they're doing studies on alcohol cessation smoking cessation opioid cessation like um I I you know I don't have any personal experience with uh opioid or um nicotine but alcohol for sure I mean the vast majority of the patients in our Clinic system um I would say they go I just don't feel like drinking want anymore they literally have no impetus for it and I mean do

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have no impetus for it and I mean do they know what that mechanism is I mean it's maybe maybe it's the satiation mechanism dopamine Pathways I think it's the reward Pathways in the brain but I think you can go too far so you can give somebody a it really depends it's so individualized because a little too much can be a lot too much yes in the right body and you might send somebody over into a place where they're like I don't even want to prepare food I don't want to drink but I also don't want to have sex and also yeah the Lust For Life is kind of leaving the room so we don't need to go there I think that that's the problem that we're seeing we're hearing about that that's what's being sensationalized is like oh the suicidal ideology that is not true actually it's in it's been shown to really have a strong impact on anxiety and low mood it's it's a huge mood booster and we have the data on that and that link has been disproven as well there's just not there was one study that came out uh they took World Health Organization data they it was just published recently I think it was in jamama and everybody on the internet ran with it and said see OIC causes is suicide and if you look at the study these it was an exorbitant I think it was over three million people they were just looking at chart notes so it was just correlative again and they had a signal of like7 people I think or 127 people on stite who had suicidal ideation out of millions right and those people when you broke it down those people were on benzo and anti-depressants a large portion of them so even the the author of the study and the limitation section was like this

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the limitation section was like this long and they were like do not throw the baby out with the bath water this is simply a signal that we should probably talk to like any good physician talk to your patients about their mood and their overall affect and like their suicidal ideation before they start May because maybe they came into it that way right so there's a lot to unpack there and there's also the idea that I think a lot of people come into obesity not to take it down that pathway but I do know women many women who've come into obesity in their their own lives as a protective mechanism after traumas after being too visible uh I know many women who were sort of hypersexualized and just too incredibly beautiful as young women yeah so much attention the kind of woman that walks in a room and everybody stops and turns and it was very uncomfortable for them and they literally kind of ate themselves into a place where they were a little less visible wow so there's so many reasons why people end up in that place and it's not my job to judge how they got there but I do think that sometimes food is that comfort and it's the way they know how to get their dopamine up and it's their way to stress releve and then all of a sudden they're getting hit with a high dose of a glp1 and their appetite's gone yeah so what do they use right so I mean there's a discussion there to be had for sure but you know what I'm saying which is why I think the lifestyle um you know it was your first opener when you said you know it's my role to bring lifestyle interventions um and I love that lifestyle interventions um to the table because we we should be talking

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table because we we should be talking about like you reaching your goals in a holistic way like you know when when whenever I talk to a client I say you know what are your goals in working with me um and they've already spoken to our clinical team and then you have to be realistic about what um you have to repeat back to them well if this is your goal then these are the lifestyle interventions that you're just going to have to get comfortable with and if you're not comfortable with these then we need to readjust the goal um you know if there's here's some non-negotiables that need to happen um and here's some non-negotiables in your schedule that need to happen and I go right to work on sleep and right to work on on morning routine um but the ones that say that they can't do that or can't commit to that then say okay well then we need to readjust your goals that's a nice way to put it yeah I mean because it's just unrealistic otherwise yeah it's just un unrealistic otherwise and and I really love the way that you're you're youve really reframed the way that I think of of uh glp 1's because you know I mean I I was buying into a little bit of the hype that was going on in the marketplace may have been even guilty of repeating some of that hype but you know when when I think back on it um those were in those super physiologic doses that that were for you know the morbidly obese type 2 diabetic um which in their case could be lifesaving but you can't apply those same things to somebody who's you know mildly metabolically um off maybe doesn't have fullblown metabolic syndrome um but someone like my wife who's lean and muscular but tiny um and when she doesn't get good sleep

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um and when she doesn't get good sleep over a prolonged period of time like she had an L5 S1 fusion and um so we noticed that over a prolonged period of time when her sleep was really really poor um because she was tossing and turning and up all night and she she wasn't supposed to sleep on her stomach and then she would roll on her stomach then her back would flare up and so I I have that dance too I know that dance well you know that dance okay so say S1 problem would really identify with you and um you know we we her labs are usually perfect and and for me it was like the light switch that I couldn't figure out because you know and I get really frustrated when when I can't make sense out of something and I start going deep down the rabbit hole and I call all my colleagues but um she became um uh pre-diabetic and I was like and she's tiny I've seen pictures yeah she's she tiny and very lean um and muscular and she's active and she eats super clean yeah and and she is like I don't even put sugar in my coffee I don't even put spun in my coffee you know um this is very common and I know many people who've come out yeah privately to me in the online Health space who are like will you look at my labs what do you think about me you look at my what do you think about me trying some glp1 cuz like the same thing like you know ABS six-pack abs the whole thing and but they blood sugar markers and you know all bets are off when you hit 50 like things just start going sideways and I'm so glad you're bringing this up because everyone keeps saying well this

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because everyone keeps saying well this is reserved for those who are severely obese and met you know really metabolically compromised type to and I'm like when a woman comes to you and she's 50ish and she says you know what doc I didn't do anything different and I they're eating cleaner than I am and they are living it to a tea and I just put 15 pounds on my midsection I'm like that's insulin resistance that's the beginning of this journey and this journey doesn't get better yeah so what can we do because there's nothing else left to dial in right your wife could you know tool available yeah I mean obviously she's got the red beds and the sauna and the steam and the C plunge and the whole bit in gym and she's very you know like I say she's very active and and Ultra ultra clean I mean we get all of our food from an Amish farm um and um so there wasn't any processed in her diet and we eventually traced it back to um her sleep you know we were looking at her sleep scores and they were AB absolute disaster um and she was relying heavily on caffeine you know throughout the day and it was just sort of something we didn't really notice because we spend a lot of time in our unit and she would just go back and forth to the coffee maker and I was like babe help me c some coffee you had today you know and um and so then we just really started to focus on dialing in the sleep and everything changed for her really it was like was sunrose for the first time you know and um the pre-diabetes went down and she was like very thankful of

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down and she was like very thankful of that but we noticed like when um you know when travel schedule's heavy or her back starts flaring up or she spends too much time in her stomach you know it's it it's incredible how connected all these things are um so I know I'm glad she's better um so I know we're um uh you you've got a heart out here but I I wanted to uh well first of all I wanted to thank you for coming on the ultimate human podcast this is amazing and I'm definitely going to have you back um thank you but I um I always uh ask my guests that you know the same question if you watch any of my podcasts I end all my podcasts with the same question um and it is um you know what does it mean to you to be an ultimate human it makes me tear up my uh my mentor taught me how precious our health is and how to take the gift that God gave me and be the best healer that I could be and really optimize it and I feel I firmly believe that God put me in his office to become his receptionist all those decades ago so that I could ultimately end up here and have the opportunity to sit on stages like this and have access to huge audiences so I could share the same information he taught me and I wake up every day and I think how can I be of service and how can I best do that and I personally have been so plagued with chronic pain and health issues myself and so I live it I understand it like this was built this is sustained every day through a lot of hard work because of that pain and that in that illness so for me it's just being

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illness so for me it's just being healthy enough to be able to continue to pay it forward yeah you know and speak the truth and and continue to be brave and resilient that and I have to have my health intact I have to be an ultimate human so that I can do that every day yeah well Dr Tina Mor you're amazing um I really feel like your message is very authentic you know I've had hundreds of guests on the podcast I've had hundreds of these conversations I can just tell the authenticity that you have and how much you care and how curious you are which I think is likely the most you know attractive characteristic in a person is when they have that intellectual curiosity to to just want to learn and figure out more and then share it with the world so thank you for coming on the ultimate human podcast and I'm definitely going to have you back again thank you such a pleasure and as always guys that's just science