Cold Exposure at Home for Mood Support | Vitruvian

Video·Mind Pump Show·7 min read·June 7, 2023

Cold exposure may support mood by combining a clear physiological response with the quiet confidence of choosing a hard thing and staying steady. The value is not in punishment, but in a simple ritual that can build resilience when used with care.

Cold As A Mood Ritual

Cold water gives the mind a clear edge to meet. The moment is simple: breath, sensation, attention, and the choice to remain steady.

For anxiety and depression, that simplicity matters. The source describes cold water exposure as a promising support for mild to moderate symptoms, with studies suggesting it can help some people feel better over time. That claim deserves care. Cold therapy is not a replacement for professional care, medication, or a trusted mental health plan when those are needed.

Its appeal is that the barrier is low. A cold rinse, a few deliberate breaths, or a short immersion can become a repeatable protocol without complex equipment or a heavy schedule. For many people, that makes it easier to practice consistently, and consistency is where adaptation begins.

The conversation also points to a practical contrast with medication concerns. SSRIs can help many people, yet they can also carry side effects such as weight gain or sexual dysfunction. Cold exposure does not erase the need for medical judgment, but it gives you a tool with few practical downsides when used intelligently.

We view cold as a mood ritual, not a contest. You enter the water with intention, let the body register the stress, and leave with a cleaner sense of equilibrium. The point is not to suffer; the point is to return to yourself with more command.

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foreign exposing your body to cold water has a exposing your body to cold water has a lot of benefits here's one of them it lot of benefits here's one of them it has anti-depressive and anti-anxiety has anti-depressive and anti-anxiety effects fact studies show it may be as effects fact studies show it may be as effective or maybe even more effective effective or maybe even more effective than classic SSRI drugs for mild to than classic SSRI drugs for mild to moderate forms of both depression and moderate forms of both depression and anxiety no joke anxiety no joke cold water therapy antidepressant it cold water therapy antidepressant it actually makes you feel better in the actually makes you feel better in the long term but Sal it stunts it stunts long term but Sal it stunts it stunts your ability to build muscle oh God your ability to build muscle oh God there's really only one negative and there's really only one negative and it's shrinkage yeah it's shrinkage yeah everything else positive that's right everything else positive that's right just as like it makes me more depressed just as like it makes me more depressed I don't know why no so uh muscle building that's the funny thing no no not if you use it funny thing no no not if you use it right and if you work out more and if right and if you work out more and if you do it separately from your workouts you do it separately from your workouts that's stupid that's just a that's just that's stupid that's just a that's just a social media I guess hook or whatever a social media I guess hook or whatever so don't worry about that so don't worry about that um no it's got um no it's got it's got effects on the body to reduce it's got effects on the body to reduce anxiety and depression and there's

anxiety and depression and there's studies that show that's more effective studies that show that's more effective in some cases in some cases than those drugs and you talk about the than those drugs and you talk about the side effects right oh you might build side effects right oh you might build less muscle if you do it right after less muscle if you do it right after your workout or whatever there's no side your workout or whatever there's no side effects ssris effects ssris right like erectile dysfunction and right like erectile dysfunction and weight gain all this stuff no it's crazy weight gain all this stuff no it's crazy I mean okay so do you think um obviously I mean okay so do you think um obviously I think both play a role like do you I think both play a role like do you think there's something to do with it's think there's something to do with it's like what's happening on a chemical like what's happening on a chemical level or about your body's hormonal level or about your body's hormonal response to the stress and the water or response to the stress and the water or do you think it's simply uh you know do you think it's simply uh you know because you're talking about like because you're talking about like depression right like how like just like depression right like how like just like how it works with weightlifting I think how it works with weightlifting I think a lot of it has to do with Just Doing a lot of it has to do with Just Doing Hard [ __ ] and choosing to do it yeah Hard [ __ ] and choosing to do it yeah choosing to do something hard getting choosing to do something hard getting through it and accomplishing it the through it and accomplishing it the value is there is like like so I don't value is there is like like so I don't like when you've seen I mean obviously like when you've seen I mean obviously you've shared the studies with you've shared the studies with weightlifting and how how its effects I weightlifting and how how its effects I would think that that's very similar to would think that that's very similar to what it is the benefits you're getting what it is the benefits you're getting it's both I think yeah I mean it really it's both I think yeah I mean it really just builds your resistance or your

just builds your resistance or your resilience towards hard things yeah that resilience towards hard things yeah that come your way yeah so it's like yeah come your way yeah so it's like yeah that's I mean there has to be like a that's I mean there has to be like a massive value to that because that I massive value to that because that I know that even from um like expending a know that even from um like expending a lot of like uh crazy cardiovascular lot of like uh crazy cardiovascular effort like for me like getting all that effort like for me like getting all that energy out like it helps uh you know the energy out like it helps uh you know the rest of the day for me to actually relax rest of the day for me to actually relax and chill yeah I know it's both it's and chill yeah I know it's both it's both so you'll produce feel good uh both so you'll produce feel good uh chemicals you'll your your CNS your chemicals you'll your your CNS your sympathetic nervous system responds two sympathetic nervous system responds two cold uh water immersion by actually cold uh water immersion by actually relaxing relaxing um you actually get some fat burning um you actually get some fat burning Effects by the way there's some some Effects by the way there's some some metabolism boosting effects from doing metabolism boosting effects from doing this on a regular basis to where your this on a regular basis to where your basal metabolic rate goes up a little basal metabolic rate goes up a little bit if you do this on a regular basis I bit if you do this on a regular basis I don't think it's a huge effect but it's don't think it's a huge effect but it's a nice selling point how much of the a nice selling point how much of the whole Brown fat conversion yeah yeah whole Brown fat conversion yeah yeah yeah yeah so yeah so Brown fat is a yeah yeah so yeah so Brown fat is a thermogenic active form of fat that's thermogenic active form of fat that's used to heat up the body it's a type of used to heat up the body it's a type of fat that you tend to burn the white fats

fat that you tend to burn the white fats much sticks around and exposing your much sticks around and exposing your body to cold converts some of that white body to cold converts some of that white fat to Brown fat which is kind of fat to Brown fat which is kind of interesting but I don't like to use I interesting but I don't like to use I don't like to sell the fat burning don't like to sell the fat burning effects too much right because people effects too much right because people get weird about that and it's a minor get weird about that and it's a minor effect like it's not gonna it's not effect like it's not gonna it's not gonna affect you like you know it's like gonna affect you like you know it's like how why we don't use that for the how why we don't use that for the intermittent fasting even though it can intermittent fasting even though it can be a positive side effect that oh be a positive side effect that oh because you intermittent fast you also because you intermittent fast you also got some you burn fat because you ate got some you burn fat because you ate less calories and there's there's less calories and there's there's benefits to it but I don't think selling benefits to it but I don't think selling it uh for that reason is a good idea it uh for that reason is a good idea either you know it happens to be a pot either you know it happens to be a pot another positive side effect you know another positive side effect you know what's interesting about this is as you what's interesting about this is as you I was reading about I was reading about um the history of cold water immersion um the history of cold water immersion it goes back thousands of years yeah it goes back thousands of years yeah like the Greeks and the you know um I like the Greeks and the you know um I mean uh one of our founding fathers uh mean uh one of our founding fathers uh Thomas Jefferson used to put his feet in Thomas Jefferson used to put his feet in freezing water every morning and we'll freezing water every morning and we'll talk about the health benefits uh but talk about the health benefits uh but yeah it goes way back and it's been used yeah it goes way back and it's been used in multiple cultures

in multiple cultures uh and the in the purported effects or uh and the in the purported effects or benefits back then they would talk about benefits back then they would talk about invigorates the body makes you resilient invigorates the body makes you resilient to illness or sickness calms the nerves to illness or sickness calms the nerves this is what they were saying hundreds this is what they were saying hundreds of years ago thousands of years ago and of years ago thousands of years ago and what's cool about that is you have it's what's cool about that is you have it's time tested and because it's it's time tested and because it's it's present in so many different cultures present in so many different cultures that didn't communicate with each other that didn't communicate with each other you know there's some truth there yeah you know there's some truth there yeah right if they all kind of discovered right if they all kind of discovered this on their own then there's probably this on their own then there's probably some truth into kind of what's going on some truth into kind of what's going on and also this used to be a western and also this used to be a western medicine prescription for anxiety do you medicine prescription for anxiety do you guys know that really yeah early early guys know that really yeah early early Western medicine days if you were Western medicine days if you were anxious they'd have you Splash cold anxious they'd have you Splash cold water on your face really yeah because water on your face really yeah because they find that it helps reduce anxiety they find that it helps reduce anxiety isn't it interesting that is interesting isn't it interesting that is interesting no we don't do that anymore because you no we don't do that anymore because you know we have drugs I know we've brought know we have drugs I know we've brought it up but I still am fascinated by is it it up but I still am fascinated by is it in Russia where they have the kids go in Russia where they have the kids go outside in the snow and just roll around outside in the snow and just roll around in there to uh you know interrupt their

in there to uh you know interrupt their their maybe Doug can find that on their maybe Doug can find that on YouTube where Russian school children YouTube where Russian school children playing I don't know so I wanted to do playing I don't know so I wanted to do this with Max and I just could I lost this with Max and I just could I lost you know there's certain battles you you know there's certain battles you just lose with the wife no matter how just lose with the wife no matter how smart you are or how would you tell her smart you are or how would you tell her well I just throw him in the snow well well I just throw him in the snow well you know what inspired me was actually you know what inspired me was actually uh Kyle's son oh yeah you remember that uh Kyle's son oh yeah you remember that he's they've never given him a warranty he's they've never given him a warranty he's never had a warm bath he had he had he's never had a warm bath he had he had he had he had cold water from from day he had he had cold water from from day one and they would go out in the ocean one and they would go out in the ocean in winter time and this kid would be in winter time and this kid would be like totally fine he adapted to it yeah like totally fine he adapted to it yeah it was no big deal and I thought man it was no big deal and I thought man this is but boy Katrina would not she this is but boy Katrina would not she would not go for it yeah there's would not go for it yeah there's something to that I remember because uh something to that I remember because uh the ocean and Sanders is really cold if the ocean and Sanders is really cold if you're not used to it and like when I you're not used to it and like when I was a kid it was no problem I could be was a kid it was no problem I could be in there all day long it is an adult I'm in there all day long it is an adult I'm like like you got really like talkers coach you got really like talkers coach yourself up yeah no you know and also in yourself up yeah no you know and also in in Russia uh they have a practice of um in Russia uh they have a practice of um when they do bathe their kids they when they do bathe their kids they finish the bathing with the cold ring so

finish the bathing with the cold ring so wow what is that Nursery children wow what is that Nursery children standing in the snow throw ice cold standing in the snow throw ice cold water water over their own bodies look at that over their own bodies look at that that's awesome that's gangster it's an that's awesome that's gangster it's an old practice you know it's been around old practice you know it's been around for a long time for a long time yeah isn't that crazy could you imagine yeah isn't that crazy could you imagine by the way real quick could you imagine by the way real quick could you imagine you saw that here an American school you saw that here an American school doing this the lawsuits oh God that doing this the lawsuits oh God that they'd have dude you made my kids do they'd have dude you made my kids do what triggered yeah no it would teach what triggered yeah no it would teach them how to masturbate what's up everybody today's free program giveaway is Maps aesthetic here's how giveaway is Maps aesthetic here's how you can win leave a comment below this you can win leave a comment below this video in the first 24 hours that we video in the first 24 hours that we posted subscribe to this Channel and posted subscribe to this Channel and turn on notifications we will pick our turn on notifications we will pick our favorite comment and we'll let you know favorite comment and we'll let you know in the comment section that you won also in the comment section that you won also we got a sale on some workout programs we got a sale on some workout programs and workout program bundles Maps cardio and workout program bundles Maps cardio is 50 off the shredded summer bundle is is 50 off the shredded summer bundle is 50 off and the bikini bundle is 50 off 50 off and the bikini bundle is 50 off so they're all fifty percent off if

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of the country who is a a you know self-proclaimed Satanist right who makes self-proclaimed Satanist right who makes you know these Pride clothes and let's you know these Pride clothes and let's put it in our Target store like that's put it in our Target store like that's just weird to me yeah well so you know just weird to me yeah well so you know it's because you gotta imagine okay so it's because you gotta imagine okay so here's my opinion on this is always like here's my opinion on this is always like we're a market-based Society so you want we're a market-based Society so you want to sell something the market will tell to sell something the market will tell you if it's a good idea or bad idea but you if it's a good idea or bad idea but there's plenty of things that are sold there's plenty of things that are sold in the market that do well then I don't in the market that do well then I don't disagree with that I don't agree with I disagree with that I don't agree with I mean we sell [ __ ] that is unhealthy mean we sell [ __ ] that is unhealthy that's terrible that does well so I'm that's terrible that does well so I'm not saying that it's good or bad that not saying that it's good or bad that the market says yes or no all I'm saying the market says yes or no all I'm saying is you're free to try yeah and then see is you're free to try yeah and then see what the market says okay so that being what the market says okay so that being said what's interesting to me well said what's interesting to me well that's why it doesn't make sense to me that's why it doesn't make sense to me yes like these companies are getting yes like these companies are getting hammered for going too hard in this hammered for going too hard in this direction there's no demand there well direction there's no demand there well well it's it's coming from it feels like well it's it's coming from it feels like it's coming from something else it is it's coming from something else it is it's it's it's it has nothing to do with it's it's it's it has nothing to do with the consumer has everything to do with the consumer has everything to do with the shareholders and ESG stuff there you the shareholders and ESG stuff there you go that is what they're trying to go that is what they're trying to appease that has nothing you don't have appease that has nothing you don't have to you don't have to be a rocket

to you don't have to be a rocket scientist to know as Bud Light what your scientist to know as Bud Light what your consumer it probably is you don't have consumer it probably is you don't have to be like to know what Target is yeah to be like to know what Target is yeah it has nothing to do with that it has to it has nothing to do with that it has to do with the ESG [ __ ] and and them do with the ESG [ __ ] and and them trying to score points with the trying to score points with the shareholders yeah that's I mean but you shareholders yeah that's I mean but you know that's a way that's a very that's a know that's a way that's a very that's a way of controlling the market uh from way of controlling the market uh from the top because our markets are the top because our markets are relatively free relatively free um government can't go in or whatever um government can't go in or whatever and say you have to sell this or that and say you have to sell this or that right so they kind of found this like right so they kind of found this like sideways way of doing it yeah what sideways way of doing it yeah what scares me is when we start to see some scares me is when we start to see some weird bailouts or weird assistance from weird bailouts or weird assistance from the government because of the SGS scores the government because of the SGS scores that's what's going to trip me out is that's what's going to trip me out is when you see like oh we can't let Target when you see like oh we can't let Target collapse or fail and so oh and they have collapse or fail and so oh and they have a they have a 9 out of 10 ESG score so a they have a 9 out of 10 ESG score so we thought about bailouts yeah and so we thought about bailouts yeah and so they they come in and even if it's not they they come in and even if it's not like a a full-on ballot they come in like a a full-on ballot they come in with support somehow listen here's with support somehow listen here's what's this is important for me like I what's this is important for me like I look I'm very Pro live your life don't look I'm very Pro live your life don't hurt anybody it's all good I don't have

hurt anybody it's all good I don't have to agree with you that's it okay bottom to agree with you that's it okay bottom line I've always been that way line I've always been that way um and I've always will be that way I um and I've always will be that way I don't have to agree with you I don't don't have to agree with you I don't have to like you as long as you don't have to like you as long as you don't hurt anybody stealing anything or hurt anybody stealing anything or damaging someone's property yeah like do damaging someone's property yeah like do your thing my morality is based off of your thing my morality is based off of my own beliefs and that kind of stuff my own beliefs and that kind of stuff and if you're nice to me and if you're nice to me I'm gonna be nice to you I've always I'm gonna be nice to you I've always been that way okay here's the here's the been that way okay here's the here's the strangeness of all of this okay these strangeness of all of this okay these are little kids clothing are little kids clothing and the little kids clothing are and the little kids clothing are proclaiming sexual preferences it would proclaiming sexual preferences it would be strange for I would feel just as I be strange for I would feel just as I would think this is just as strange if I would think this is just as strange if I put on my two-year-old boy a shirt that put on my two-year-old boy a shirt that says I love girls or right right you says I love girls or right right you know like yeah you're two you're two know like yeah you're two you're two yeah you know what that is it's not the yeah you know what that is it's not the kids the kids don't want that [ __ ] kids the kids don't want that [ __ ] those messages it's the parents putting those messages it's the parents putting a dis like they're showing on their kids a dis like they're showing on their kids here's my kid check it out here's my here's my kid check it out here's my view on my kids yeah so and so parents view on my kids yeah so and so parents who are very by the way Target shoppers who are very by the way Target shoppers are especially in places like California

are especially in places like California where there's and we're seeing backlash where there's and we're seeing backlash even here parents are like listen listen even here parents are like listen listen there's enough that's enough with like there's enough that's enough with like this this with the kids that's all this this with the kids that's all they're saying is is activism ever gonna they're saying is is activism ever gonna calm down no that's what I want to know calm down no that's what I want to know no it's too beneficial politically well no it's too beneficial politically well activism changed from helping people to activism changed from helping people to just being angry yeah it's just angry just being angry yeah it's just angry upset like nobody's having a good time upset like nobody's having a good time no yeah that's all I see and it's like I no yeah that's all I see and it's like I I don't know man and it's so crammed in I don't know man and it's so crammed in society like culturally it's just like society like culturally it's just like we're just getting inundated from every we're just getting inundated from every angle it's like well the best just live angle it's like well the best just live your life I mean the best thing that we your life I mean the best thing that we can do is to vote with our dollar right can do is to vote with our dollar right I mean I think I mean I I did that with I mean I think I mean I I did that with the the year in the NBA I mean for the the year in the NBA I mean for someone who's such an avid you know someone who's such an avid you know viewer I for a year took off of watching viewer I for a year took off of watching the NBA because they went so heavy in the NBA because they went so heavy in the social justice department and it was the social justice department and it was just like I don't you know what's funny just like I don't you know what's funny you know and you know and here's the you know and you know and here's the thing too like and this is kind of thing too like and this is kind of because I'm like you in this way Sal is because I'm like you in this way Sal is like I'm not the type of person who's like I'm not the type of person who's gonna make this massive stink and talk gonna make this massive stink and talk all and like be all crazy about it's

all and like be all crazy about it's okay if someone if asked if you ask me okay if someone if asked if you ask me about it I'll tell you you know I'm not about it I'll tell you you know I'm not choosing not to watch it like I don't I choosing not to watch it like I don't I don't want to watch it I want to support don't want to watch it I want to support it right now because I don't like the it right now because I don't like the messaging that's going on there and like messaging that's going on there and like I love basketball and maybe and what I love basketball and maybe and what happened was they changed after a year happened was they changed after a year of that and and viewership dropping down of that and and viewership dropping down dramatically now they've pulled all that dramatically now they've pulled all that stuff out here's the part of that that stuff out here's the part of that that pisses me off the part of that was that pisses me off the part of that was that at the time now you're not going to hear at the time now you're not going to hear this because now everybody knows but this because now everybody knows but back then people oh you're not Against back then people oh you're not Against Racism oh you must be racist no no yeah Racism oh you must be racist no no yeah we knew early on that the organization we knew early on that the organization BLM was a freaking grift it was [ __ ] BLM was a freaking grift it was [ __ ] it was not what they said it was it was not what they said it was predatory we know now for a fact that's predatory we know now for a fact that's exactly what they were you see that exactly what they were you see that they're bankrupt yeah and they're paying they're bankrupt yeah and they're paying themselves millions of dollars and they themselves millions of dollars and they do it so yeah they're grifting on they do it so yeah they're grifting on they attach to something and all these people attach to something and all these people who are manipulated or just want to do who are manipulated or just want to do good yeah go out and they take advantage good yeah go out and they take advantage of them and then the NBA like all of them and then the NBA like all organizations they just want to appear

organizations they just want to appear to be a particular way not necessarily to be a particular way not necessarily be a particular way yeah and so that's be a particular way yeah and so that's what they did and you know people who what they did and you know people who are hip to it were like no I'm not going are hip to it were like no I'm not going to support this I know what that to support this I know what that organization is doing they're not organization is doing they're not helping anybody well I told Katrina I helping anybody well I told Katrina I said for the month of uh for all from said for the month of uh for all from now all the way through the month of now all the way through the month of June we're not shopping at all at Target June we're not shopping at all at Target and I think if enough people make just and I think if enough people make just that statement and that move I think that statement and that move I think that's enough to and Target's already that's enough to and Target's already backpedaling you know they already backpedaling you know they already called an emergency meeting and they're called an emergency meeting and they're already trying to Pivot right now and so already trying to Pivot right now and so I think if the people that agree with I think if the people that agree with that I think just by simply voting with that I think just by simply voting with your dollars and not spending money your dollars and not spending money there for most people I know shop there for most people I know shop multiple times and Target every single multiple times and Target every single month one month of you not shopping month one month of you not shopping there and everybody collecting regular there and everybody collecting regular yeah that that agrees with that it will yeah that that agrees with that it will make a huge debt in a business like that make a huge debt in a business like that well in 2008 uh you know that's when well in 2008 uh you know that's when Obama was elected I believe 2008 there Obama was elected I believe 2008 there wasn't a single politician that wasn't a single politician that supported supported uh gay marriage because it was not uh gay marriage because it was not popular enough publicly for a politician

popular enough publicly for a politician to come out and support it okay I to come out and support it okay I marched in support of the law to allow marched in support of the law to allow uh people to get married uh because I uh people to get married uh because I didn't think it was a religious thing I didn't think it was a religious thing I said if this is government and said if this is government and government is saying two adults can get government is saying two adults can get married then they should be able to married then they should be able to apply that to everybody and I March for apply that to everybody and I March for that yeah and that's between and I that yeah and that's between and I supported it and I still support people supported it and I still support people living the way they want and again even living the way they want and again even if I disagree with it or whatever I if I disagree with it or whatever I support it uh 100 but when you start to support it uh 100 but when you start to over sexualize [ __ ] and go in directions over sexualize [ __ ] and go in directions that are just inappropriate that are just inappropriate um like I have uh you know I have an um like I have uh you know I have an uncle who's he's I mean he's my uncle who's he's I mean he's my grandfather's generation okay he's lived grandfather's generation okay he's lived with the same partner for years he's gay with the same partner for years he's gay nobody cares in my family we love him nobody cares in my family we love him he's a great guy you know he stopped he's a great guy you know he stopped going to some of these parades because going to some of these parades because he's like bro he goes people are he's like bro he goes people are bringing the kids these are bringing the kids these are hypersexualized yeah because that's hypersexualized yeah because that's inappropriate we're all naked and [ __ ] inappropriate we're all naked and [ __ ] and little kids are there it doesn't and little kids are there it doesn't seem like Common Sense he's like this is seem like Common Sense he's like this is inappropriate he goes and I remember him inappropriate he goes and I remember him telling me years ago he goes if they telling me years ago he goes if they don't stop this they're going to get don't stop this they're going to get people to to to lose support right just people to to to lose support right just because of that right that's what's

because of that right that's what's happening yeah this is not how they're happening yeah this is not how they're and now back to what you said about you and now back to what you said about you know BLM on the with the NBA people are know BLM on the with the NBA people are going to paint this as going to paint this as homophobic transphobic hating people homophobic transphobic hating people it's not it's not that it's they're it's not it's not that it's they're going too far with how they're slowly going too far with how they're slowly you know indoctrinating and you know indoctrinating and sexualization sexualization it's just like it's pressed further it's it's just like it's pressed further it's just like the same [ __ ] with the the just like the same [ __ ] with the the covet vaccine you can't you you if you covet vaccine you can't you you if you were somebody who decided not to take were somebody who decided not to take that you were an anti-vaxxas everything that you were an anti-vaxxas everything it's like wait a second I took the other it's like wait a second I took the other seven I took seven other ones I just seven I took seven other ones I just chose to take that one like [ __ ] off it chose to take that one like [ __ ] off it doesn't make you an anti-vaxxer because doesn't make you an anti-vaxxer because you you passed on I live in the grain you you passed on I live in the grain the Nuance you know like people just the Nuance you know like people just don't want to take the time to like don't want to take the time to like really discuss all the details of all really discuss all the details of all these I do believe more P I do believe these I do believe more P I do believe the majority actually does aside and the majority actually does aside and agree with you I do I think most people agree with you I do I think most people are in that in that space I think but I are in that in that space I think but I also think that a lot of people I think also think that a lot of people I think they're easily manipulated they blow

they're easily manipulated they blow like the wind or they're afraid of like the wind or they're afraid of appearing because if you make everything appearing because if you make everything black and white yeah if you don't black and white yeah if you don't support this then you're this evil support this then you're this evil person they're afraid right right and person they're afraid right right and they're like well I guess I'm not that they're like well I guess I'm not that yeah I don't want a job yeah I don't yeah I don't want a job yeah I don't might not like me look I've said this might not like me look I've said this before and I'll say it again like the before and I'll say it again like the least the least interesting thing about least the least interesting thing about someone is their sexuality and gender someone is their sexuality and gender like I want to know are you a good like I want to know are you a good person right you know what are you into person right you know what are you into what do you like to read what do you what do you like to read what do you feel like that kind of stuff like who feel like that kind of stuff like who you're attracted that kind of that's not you're attracted that kind of that's not that interesting to me I don't care yeah that interesting to me I don't care yeah I don't care about that no I agree you I don't care about that no I agree you know I have more controversial stuff but know I have more controversial stuff but before I get into controversial stuff before I get into controversial stuff yeah because Doug's over there right now yeah because Doug's over there right now give lettuce sweating in the chair give lettuce sweating in the chair loosen up his sweating his butt cheeks loosen up his sweating his butt cheeks for a second here so listen I got for a second here so listen I got something that's not so I the other day something that's not so I the other day I was we were talking about our our kids I was we were talking about our our kids and I'm I'm in this weird I don't know and I'm I'm in this weird I don't know maybe you guys can help me process this maybe you guys can help me process this on how I should feel that but I don't on how I should feel that but I don't ever want to come off as that Dad when ever want to come off as that Dad when when asked about his son like I had like when asked about his son like I had like the perfect kid you know saying like and the perfect kid you know saying like and Because deep down I kind of feel like Because deep down I kind of feel like that oh my God I got a really good good that oh my God I got a really good good kid you know and when when I talk to

kid you know and when when I talk to other parents and they're like [ __ ] my other parents and they're like [ __ ] my kids this and that so like I'm on this kids this and that so like I'm on this Mission like I'm gonna find all the Mission like I'm gonna find all the things about my kid that's shitty so I things about my kid that's shitty so I could share could share so I'm like I've been like thinking in so I'm like I've been like thinking in that in that space because I'm like he's that in that space because I'm like he's such a good [ __ ] kid and I don't got such a good [ __ ] kid and I don't got bad news today about that so there's a bad news today about that so there's a there's a saying in and I think it's there's a saying in and I think it's Sicilian culture that if they're like a Sicilian culture that if they're like a great little kid they're terrible great little kid they're terrible teenager yeah but maybe I'll try and teenager yeah but maybe I'll try and make him a little [ __ ] now with that but make him a little [ __ ] now with that but anyways I I just know that there's got anyways I I just know that there's got to be parents that are like eye rolling to be parents that are like eye rolling when I talk about maximum oh sure when I talk about maximum oh sure perfect yeah it's so easy right so I'm perfect yeah it's so easy right so I'm like okay so I had a moment yesterday like okay so I had a moment yesterday where he was a little [ __ ] and I'm like where he was a little [ __ ] and I'm like okay I gotta share this so people know okay I gotta share this so people know that he's not a perfect kid he does that he's not a perfect kid he does these little he's a little [ __ ] I these little he's a little [ __ ] I also see myself in these moments which also see myself in these moments which is also quite comical right so I'm home is also quite comical right so I'm home earlier than normal yesterday and uh so earlier than normal yesterday and uh so max is not home from school yet and max is not home from school yet and Katrina says you want to go with me to Katrina says you want to go with me to pick him up and I'd love to go pick him pick him up and I'd love to go pick him up because I it's a surprise for him up because I it's a surprise for him when I come I never come really when I come I never come really and so I pick him up he's all excited I and so I pick him up he's all excited I get out of the car and come get him and

get out of the car and come get him and put him in his car seat so that and you put him in his car seat so that and you know could they Katrina and him have know could they Katrina and him have their little routine like he gets in the their little routine like he gets in the he gets in his car seat she hands him he gets in his car seat she hands him the first snack he had to then he gets the first snack he had to then he gets the second snack and then he's got his the second snack and then he's got his music that he gets to listen to no I'm music that he gets to listen to no I'm driving right so I get no no routine all driving right so I get no no routine all right so I I get him and stuff like that right so I I get him and stuff like that he does have a snacks because she has he does have a snacks because she has and Katrina hands him a snack and her and Katrina hands him a snack and her and I are kind of like we're having and I are kind of like we're having adult talk we're talking and I have like adult talk we're talking and I have like like light country music in the like light country music in the background he's like Mommy Mommy play background he's like Mommy Mommy play afro and he he's in that phase right now afro and he he's in that phase right now where he listens to like once one or two where he listens to like once one or two songs over and over [ __ ] terrible songs over and over [ __ ] terrible songs not even a real songs like it's a songs not even a real songs like it's a dude Cotton Eye Joe you know how many dude Cotton Eye Joe you know how many times yes it's like someone it's it's a times yes it's like someone it's it's a afro afro Jack from Madagascar it's like afro afro Jack from Madagascar it's like the worst song ever right it's a noise the worst song ever right it's a noise sounds like a circus song or whatever sounds like a circus song or whatever it's like awful and and it's like it's it's like awful and and it's like it's you know it's traffic time getting home you know it's traffic time getting home and so it's gonna take us a good 15 20 and so it's gonna take us a good 15 20 minutes get home and he's asking for it minutes get home and he's asking for it right away and I'm like eat your snacks right away and I'm like eat your snacks first and then I'll and then I'll and first and then I'll and then I'll and then I'll and then I'll play it right then I'll and then I'll play it right and he just he deaf hears me mommy you and he just he deaf hears me mommy you play after like just just mommy play

play after like just just mommy play Africa and I I pick my I'm driving and Africa and I I pick my I'm driving and I'm looking at him in the river I mean I I'm looking at him in the river I mean I pick my phone up Daddy's driving today pick my phone up Daddy's driving today it's on my it's on my phone I'll play it it's on my it's on my phone I'll play it when you finish your snacks knowing I when you finish your snacks knowing I got two snacks to get through that maybe got two snacks to get through that maybe I could buy like 15 minutes right right I could buy like 15 minutes right right so you could see him just eating his so you could see him just eating his snack and he's like oh he's like oh yeah snack and he's like oh he's like oh yeah yeah he's like fuming about it right and yeah he's like fuming about it right and so there's like silence in the car for so there's like silence in the car for like two minutes and he's like angry and like two minutes and he's like angry and he's eating his things and I go hey how he's eating his things and I go hey how was school today Max ignoring me no I was school today Max ignoring me no I say Max did you did you play with say Max did you did you play with yourself did you did you play with your yourself did you did you play with your friends today ignore me eating your friends today ignore me eating your snacks like that Earth to Max Max Earth snacks like that Earth to Max Max Earth to Max and then finally contributing his to Max and then finally contributing his own Max daddy is talking to you right own Max daddy is talking to you right now and then he gets this like angry now and then he gets this like angry face and starts to cry he's like I'm face and starts to cry he's like I'm eating my crackers eating my crackers I can't talk when I eat I can't talk when I eat oh [ __ ] that's your song bro I can't talk when I eat because he adds the boots in his mouth and he's talking the boots in his mouth and he's talking and he's like crying about protest oh it

and he's like crying about protest oh it was a little protest dude I'm like oh was a little protest dude I'm like oh you little [ __ ] I'll play your goddamn you little [ __ ] I'll play your goddamn music dudes funny yeah I do have like a music dudes funny yeah I do have like a guilty pleasure though like of like a guilty pleasure though like of like a terrible song that I grew up as a kid terrible song that I grew up as a kid like that I think it stuck with me like that I think it stuck with me forever it'd be interesting if you guys forever it'd be interesting if you guys have one but it's called popcorn and have one but it's called popcorn and it's like the worst oh I know it's like the worst oh I know I think I remember that too I used to I think I remember that too I used to just like when that would come on I just just like when that would come on I just bust out a dance we hold on did you guys bust out a dance we hold on did you guys did you guys have to dance to it in did you guys have to dance to it in elementary school did the guy come to elementary school did the guy come to your school uh and have you guys country your school uh and have you guys country dance or oh my God I don't remember that dance or oh my God I don't remember that no I don't know about that but we did no I don't know about that but we did have a guy that would like play a lot of have a guy that would like play a lot of um like folk songs and all that that um like folk songs and all that that would come when I was just I want to say would come when I was just I want to say sixth grade some dude came Mr Penny I sixth grade some dude came Mr Penny I don't know how I remember his name and don't know how I remember his name and he came out and he had us all Dance Mr he came out and he had us all Dance Mr Duncan that was mine really yeah okay Duncan that was mine really yeah okay and he would have us do and he would have us do um what's it called when you hook arms um what's it called when you hook arms and turn and it was like country like and turn and it was like country like Dosey does yeah yeah yeah and we had to Dosey does yeah yeah yeah and we had to learn these dances and popcorn was one

learn these dances and popcorn was one of the songs I remember popcorn of the songs I remember popcorn you guys remember popcorn on the phone or just popcorn yeah so does that still work Doug I don't know so people don't work Doug I don't know so people don't know back in the day numbers had letters know back in the day numbers had letters associated with them so like one was associated with them so like one was like ABC two was whatever and if you like ABC two was whatever and if you dialed popcorn yeah you get the time yeah yeah and that's how we get the time I think you can still do that I did that I think you can still do that I did that not I did that time later I did well not I did that time later I did well it's been a long time do you also it's been a long time do you also remember this okay never doing all remember this okay never doing all Nostalgia you remember uh to get movie Nostalgia you remember uh to get movie times yes you'd have to call the movie times yes you'd have to call the movie theater and then it was a recording and theater and then it was a recording and you have to listen you have to listen hey hey Buddy's talking to you oh [ __ ] I missed Buddy's talking to you oh [ __ ] I missed the times you gotta listen to the whole the times you gotta listen to the whole thing again thing again be all pissed ruined like [ __ ] 20 be all pissed ruined like [ __ ] 20 minutes minutes I used to get all creative on the

I used to get all creative on the answering machines you know for the answering machines you know for the house yeah because my dad gets so bad is house yeah because my dad gets so bad is like you know his friends would call or like you know his friends would call or whatever and I'd make some like really whatever and I'd make some like really stupid you know recording that like stupid you know recording that like would I don't know would I don't know I'm still in the future like that I did I'm still in the future like that I did that my last before the one I have right that my last before the one I have right now on my phone the last one was like now on my phone the last one was like hello oh yeah hello oh yeah yeah believe it or not because anybody else has ever done that I get to you every has ever done that I get to you every time every time it gets you because it's time every time it gets you because it's her voice hello hello you guys remember her voice hello hello you guys remember a three-way calling when you you would a three-way calling when you you would get a line yeah back in the day party get a line yeah back in the day party lines Party Line yeah do you guys ever lines Party Line yeah do you guys ever do this he's like a chick thing huh you do this he's like a chick thing huh you never did three-way calling no really never did three-way calling no really you only had two friends oh yeah yeah you only had two friends oh yeah yeah this is our phone hey dude I'm gonna be this is our phone hey dude I'm gonna be here cool see you later here cool see you later I'll bring my bike you're so manly I'll bring my bike you're so manly yeah yeah you're right you're right I was on three you're right you're right I was on three o'clock yeah dude where are you watching

o'clock yeah dude where are you watching right now oh yeah really dude oh I got a right now oh yeah really dude oh I got a blanket on Justin used to beat people up blanket on Justin used to beat people up for talking you said words for talking you said words words are not manly bully no we would be words are not manly bully no we would be talking we would do three-way calling talking we would do three-way calling and you ever did this where you call a and you ever did this where you call a friend you say hey don't say anything friend you say hey don't say anything and then you call the other guy and then and then you call the other guy and then you say something so they say some [ __ ] you say something so they say some [ __ ] that your friend I almost did a line bro we didn't do that we would do something like hey do you think you could beat up like hey do you think you could beat up so and so yeah I think I could take them so and so yeah I think I could take them they'd be like I'm right here bro I can they'd be like I'm right here bro I can organize it in my house oh you [ __ ] organize it in my house oh you [ __ ] all right so the controversial stuff all right so the controversial stuff yeah what do you think about it's back yeah what do you think about it's back in neuralink oh that's not that in neuralink oh that's not that controversial what do you mean it's not controversial what do you mean it's not controversial that's crazy that's not controversial that's crazy that's not gonna get us canceled but it is cool oh gonna get us canceled but it is cool oh yeah yeah no I mean I mean controversial yeah yeah no I mean I mean controversial as far as like you know should we do as far as like you know should we do this or not do this not like we're going this or not do this not like we're going to be canceled for talking so they just to be canceled for talking so they just got FDA approval for human trials right got FDA approval for human trials right human Trials of this so essentially it's

human Trials of this so essentially it's going to create an interface between the going to create an interface between the brain and computers or the internet so brain and computers or the internet so you could think and search or think so I you could think and search or think so I heard the first one the first features heard the first one the first features already is you'll be able to save already is you'll be able to save memories and replay them memories and replay them oh really you didn't read that no oh really you didn't read that no because I know they're targeting um the because I know they're targeting um the paraplegic yes yes so that's kind of paraplegic yes yes so that's kind of like an entry point yeah because you like an entry point yeah because you know that's something that uh if you can know that's something that uh if you can solve that that's huge so here's my and solve that that's huge so here's my and that's why I got FDA approved is because that's why I got FDA approved is because that could be life-changing right right that could be life-changing right right and that well 100 I'm Pro that but and that well 100 I'm Pro that but obviously this is the slippery slope obviously this is the slippery slope right yeah well now yeah we're gonna right yeah well now yeah we're gonna talk about all of the Snowballs think talk about all of the Snowballs think about how we manipulate people through about how we manipulate people through social media now imagine if it's social media now imagine if it's connected directly to people's brains connected directly to people's brains okay so here's my my thoughts on it uh okay so here's my my thoughts on it uh we're already entering into a weird time we're already entering into a weird time and it's almost like what's that what's and it's almost like what's that what's that old saying if you can't beat them that old saying if you can't beat them join them it's like how are we going to join them it's like how are we going to potentially compete with AI or counter potentially compete with AI or counter AI well I guess we're gonna have to AI well I guess we're gonna have to combine

combine with AI in order to do it because it's with AI in order to do it because it's become a cyborg because if we remain become a cyborg because if we remain analog we're screwed that's kind of how analog we're screwed that's kind of how I feel about it it's like well I guess I feel about it it's like well I guess it's inevitable I mean what else are you it's inevitable I mean what else are you gonna do yeah like you're gonna have to gonna do yeah like you're gonna have to like I mean if it's at that level I mean like I mean if it's at that level I mean I think it's I think it's well I'm just glad we're at our age well I'm just glad we're at our age where we're at you know at a point in where we're at you know at a point in our lives where we've like I can just our lives where we've like I can just check out I'm cool you got kids dude our check out I'm cool you got kids dude our kids are going to be down well that's kids are going to be down well that's the the rate the only part of my race the the rate the only part of my race right now is to make sure that he's set right now is to make sure that he's set up so he doesn't have to do it too the up so he doesn't have to do it too the only thing your son's gonna come home only thing your son's gonna come home yeah you're gonna talk to him like oh yeah you're gonna talk to him like oh you're so slow and boring dad or you you're so slow and boring dad or you know why I say like what are you doing know why I say like what are you doing are you listening to me yeah I'm are you listening to me yeah I'm checking my emails at the same time and checking my emails at the same time and I'm talking to my friend but it's okay I I'm talking to my friend but it's okay I can process all this oh there's always a can process all this oh there's always a dark side to anything good like that dark side to anything good like that right like it's huge there's you're right like it's huge there's you're you're so much more vulnerable if you're you're so much more vulnerable if you're if you're the one of those early if you're the one of those early adopters especially and like people are adopters especially and like people are gonna try to find loot like ways of gonna try to find loot like ways of hacking in and and manipulating and like

hacking in and and manipulating and like it just to me it's I I want to maintain it just to me it's I I want to maintain this autonomy this like control of my this autonomy this like control of my own thoughts my own minds like I I it own thoughts my own minds like I I it just scares the [ __ ] well the argument just scares the [ __ ] well the argument is you'll have control over it yeah you is you'll have control over it yeah you have full control yeah yeah so here's have full control yeah yeah so here's what I see and to did more to your but what I see and to did more to your but you're feeding in the internet you don't you're feeding in the internet you don't think you get manipulated so I I must think you get manipulated so I I must remember I'm more I I it's more gonna be remember I'm more I I it's more gonna be like what I think where Sal is going like what I think where Sal is going with this is that here's what's going to with this is that here's what's going to happen is because they're just like we happen is because they're just like we already see where people are like you already see where people are like you know making these like eyeballs that know making these like eyeballs that they can see like a telescope and you they can see like a telescope and you have hearing that's like you already have hearing that's like you already have people that are hacking their have people that are hacking their bodies like this already so there's bodies like this already so there's definitely going to be French people definitely going to be French people that adopt this right away right that that adopt this right away right that don't need it for whatever reason don't need it for whatever reason where this is going to get crazy is when where this is going to get crazy is when that does give them an incredibly that does give them an incredibly Competitive Edge and then the others Competitive Edge and then the others will have to force themselves to decide will have to force themselves to decide if are you gonna in order to compete if if are you gonna in order to compete if you want to be a high performing CEO you you want to be a high performing CEO you want to be a top surgeon you want to be want to be a top surgeon you want to be the best marketer programmer it's like

the best marketer programmer it's like in and you're getting your ass kicked by in and you're getting your ass kicked by the guy who's got the neural link and the guy who's got the neural link and you have to decide if I want to compete you have to decide if I want to compete for that job or be a part of this I've for that job or be a part of this I've got to adopt it or I'm going to imagine got to adopt it or I'm going to imagine someone's doing cocaine I gotta get on someone's doing cocaine I gotta get on cocaine right away no imagine someone cocaine right away no imagine someone right now trying to build a business who right now trying to build a business who refuses to be on the internet to use refuses to be on the internet to use right smartphones that's right to do any right smartphones that's right to do any of that stuff yeah and he's like that's of that stuff yeah and he's like that's old that's crazy the internet's gonna old that's crazy the internet's gonna kill all of us oh I'm going to be I'm kill all of us oh I'm going to be I'm gonna only do it this way yeah good luck gonna only do it this way yeah good luck yeah I mean that's gonna be really hard yeah I mean that's gonna be really hard you might be able to do something but you might be able to do something but you ain't gonna build a business you ain't gonna build a business so that's the position that that's how I so that's the position that that's how I feel now here's the scare here's the feel now here's the scare here's the fear yeah there'll be justifications for fear yeah there'll be justifications for that here's the fear that people I don't that here's the fear that people I don't think any a lot of people are talking think any a lot of people are talking about knowledge without wisdom is is bad about knowledge without wisdom is is bad dangerous very dangerous lots of dangerous very dangerous lots of knowledge without like wisdom turns into knowledge without like wisdom turns into some really nasty bad stuff there's a some really nasty bad stuff there's a reason why you acquire knowledge as you reason why you acquire knowledge as you get older and um and not just get it all get older and um and not just get it all when you're a child because look what when you're a child because look what that ends up turning into look at a

that ends up turning into look at a teenager teenagers have a lot of teenager teenagers have a lot of knowledge oftentimes knowledge oftentimes as much knowledge as an adult as much knowledge as an adult but they have zero the wisdom and how do but they have zero the wisdom and how do teenagers behave right so that's gonna teenagers behave right so that's gonna be the fear so all of a sudden I know be the fear so all of a sudden I know everything but I don't have any everything but I don't have any experience I don't have any wisdom experience I don't have any wisdom around it around it um boy that's gonna that'll be an um boy that's gonna that'll be an interesting place yeah yeah I don't know interesting place yeah yeah I don't know man I guess I start probably the most man I guess I start probably the most um um what not what's the opposite of uh what not what's the opposite of uh optimistic right because pessimistic optimistic right because pessimistic you know it's like you know what though you know it's like you know what though here's the barrier they have to they here's the barrier they have to they have to you have to put it in your brain have to you have to put it in your brain that's going to prevent a lot of people that's going to prevent a lot of people from doing nobody wants to put anything from doing nobody wants to put anything in their brain oh that's how I see this in their brain oh that's how I see this rolling out is exactly what I just said rolling out is exactly what I just said is not a lot of people are going to is not a lot of people are going to adopt that at first a lot in fact people adopt that at first a lot in fact people like this is crazy I ain't gonna do that like this is crazy I ain't gonna do that just like someone probably wouldn't take just like someone probably wouldn't take their eyeball out and put a [ __ ] their eyeball out and put a [ __ ] thing in right but when you start thing in right but when you start getting out competed it by in your getting out competed it by in your profession that you love that you're profession that you love that you're really good at because somebody has got really good at because somebody has got a neural Link in you will be faced with

a neural Link in you will be faced with that decision is that in three years that decision is that in three years five years ten years or 20 years that I five years ten years or 20 years that I don't know if the brain if they have to don't know if the brain if they have to install something in your brain I think install something in your brain I think it'll take a lot longer what I think is it'll take a lot longer what I think is going to happen is that's the first like going to happen is that's the first like iteration then they're gonna figure out iteration then they're gonna figure out how to do it where you put on a hat how to do it where you put on a hat where you have something on the outside where you have something on the outside and you have to be invasive then and you have to be invasive then everybody's gonna adopt it because everybody's gonna adopt it because that's still a fear like I'm Really that's still a fear like I'm Really Gonna operate on my brain like I'd have Gonna operate on my brain like I'd have to see a lot of people do it before I to see a lot of people do it before I think it's safe yeah because even like think it's safe yeah because even like removing it like what does that do if removing it like what does that do if you're like neurologically adapted to it you're like neurologically adapted to it at that point and like all of a sudden at that point and like all of a sudden you just pull it out oh I don't know you just pull it out oh I don't know what does that look like the monkey what does that look like the monkey studies studies you know you start thinking like this you know you start thinking like this thing's gonna be able to record memories thing's gonna be able to record memories I mean I mean and then let's say when your your and then let's say when your your physical body shuts down you just switch physical body shuts down you just switch all your organs out and you add you know all your organs out and you add you know what I'm saying that's what it means and what I'm saying that's what it means and then now you be the transhumanism thing then now you be the transhumanism thing this is what's all kind of leading that this is what's all kind of leading that direction where it's like what what do direction where it's like what what do we need our body for right you know like we need our body for right you know like let's just like be metal parts and then let's just like be metal parts and then we can Interstellar travel you know what

we can Interstellar travel you know what humans have speculated the challenges humans have speculated the challenges with living forever for a long time just with living forever for a long time just look at the stories on vampires and how look at the stories on vampires and how tormented they are in the stories like tormented they are in the stories like people know this they know that living people know this they know that living forever or not dying isn't necessarily forever or not dying isn't necessarily the blessing that you think it might be the blessing that you think it might be right and inevitably I mean like say right and inevitably I mean like say you're a good person and you're just um you're a good person and you're just um you know getting a lot of value and you know getting a lot of value and purpose for what you're doing but now purpose for what you're doing but now you've extended that infinitely tell me you've extended that infinitely tell me you're not gonna go to the dark side at you're not gonna go to the dark side at some point because you're bored yeah some point because you're bored yeah yeah and I mean it's just how it goes I yeah and I mean it's just how it goes I don't know this is gonna be this is don't know this is gonna be this is weird dude we're getting into a weird weird dude we're getting into a weird yeah a weird uh weird space did you find yeah a weird uh weird space did you find what I was saying Doug about the what I was saying Doug about the memories yeah they talk about it I don't memories yeah they talk about it I don't see anything definitely at this point see anything definitely at this point it's really for people who have like it's really for people who have like spinal cord injuries at this point or spinal cord injuries at this point or Vision issues I suppose yeah but I mean Vision issues I suppose yeah but I mean eventually it's going to turn into it's eventually it's going to turn into it's going to be a market right we can do all going to be a market right we can do all kinds of different things of course and kinds of different things of course and then the argument's going to be why not then the argument's going to be why not enhance yeah my body's natural abilities

enhance yeah my body's natural abilities well I mean the original argument is well I mean the original argument is like you already have an appendix I mean like you already have an appendix I mean that's your phone when Elon Musk said that's your phone when Elon Musk said that like Elon Musk said that on Joe that like Elon Musk said that on Joe Rogan it was like one of those moments Rogan it was like one of those moments for me when I'm like yeah you're kind of for me when I'm like yeah you're kind of right we've adapted with it like it's right we've adapted with it like it's all you how many extension of you yeah all you how many extension of you yeah exactly how many people are it's already exactly how many people are it's already like in you for a lot of people I mean like in you for a lot of people I mean how often is your I mean our phones on how often is your I mean our phones on every one of our hips probably around no every one of our hips probably around no no I just feel like we've skipped steps no I just feel like we've skipped steps like can we just get like the contact like can we just get like the contact lens first you know like well there's a lens first you know like well there's a big push right now as apple is making big push right now as apple is making big moves right now I think in AR uh and big moves right now I think in AR uh and so they're so here's part of the so they're so here's part of the argument is is is a r a r a i which argument is is is a r a r a i which one's going to take off yeah sooner and one's going to take off yeah sooner and faster and the truth is AR is more faster and the truth is AR is more likely to be yeah adapted because of likely to be yeah adapted because of your point you're bringing you could put your point you're bringing you could put glasses yeah you just put some glasses glasses yeah you just put some glasses on and now everything around you yeah on and now everything around you yeah becomes you know like you're kind of in becomes you know like you're kind of in a virtual world but you're still in the a virtual world but you're still in the real world so going back to something real world so going back to something like neural link understanding human like neural link understanding human behavior can you imagine the products

behavior can you imagine the products and uses that this will have for the and uses that this will have for the average person who's impulsive and average person who's impulsive and whatever there's going to be a pleasure whatever there's going to be a pleasure button yeah there's I mean you're just button yeah there's I mean you're just going to tap tap tap tap tap oh you know going to tap tap tap tap tap oh you know I feel good now yeah oh I'm sad pop up I feel good now yeah oh I'm sad pop up oh I feel better oh I'm bored now I'm oh I feel better oh I'm bored now I'm excited yeah like you're just gonna hit excited yeah like you're just gonna hit buttons and make your brain you know buttons and make your brain you know um somebody commented on my my Instagram um somebody commented on my my Instagram in regards to my my whole talk about Max in regards to my my whole talk about Max with the iPad and stuff because they've with the iPad and stuff because they've they've been raising their kid utilizing they've been raising their kid utilizing it and their kid was reading at a much it and their kid was reading at a much higher level and faster and like they higher level and faster and like they had all these positive educational had all these positive educational benefits and I said um yeah not no I'll benefits and I said um yeah not no I'll pass and I said and the reason why I pass and I said and the reason why I said that was because it's not there's said that was because it's not there's another side of the coin it's not just another side of the coin it's not just that there there's they're seeing what's that there there's they're seeing what's happening to these kids that how it's happening to these kids that how it's disrupting the way they process their disrupting the way they process their executive functioning their anxiety executive functioning their anxiety things like so it's like okay great your things like so it's like okay great your kid reads at a uh five grades above but kid reads at a uh five grades above but he's anxious he's depressed his

he's anxious he's depressed his executive function is off so it's like executive function is off so it's like those parents that have heard me talk those parents that have heard me talk about this is less physically accurate about this is less physically accurate you know why I wanted to comment on this you know why I wanted to comment on this because I'm sure there's more parents because I'm sure there's more parents that agree with this parent that comment that agree with this parent that comment right that this person just had and by right that this person just had and by the way I'm not picking on this person the way I'm not picking on this person that's why I'm not going to point them that's why I'm not going to point them out their name or anything but that it's out their name or anything but that it's like I'm sure a lot of parents think like I'm sure a lot of parents think because their kid is smarter because because their kid is smarter because they're using this iPad you know they they're using this iPad you know they read better or they're more read better or they're more knowledgeable with math or with that knowledgeable with math or with that that it's a positive thing it's like no that it's a positive thing it's like no dude just because that that is a one of dude just because that that is a one of the side effects potentially is that but the side effects potentially is that but there's a bunch of other negative there's a bunch of other negative effects that we're seeing that are effects that we're seeing that are coming out besides that that I'm not coming out besides that that I'm not okay with it right and I'm more okay with it right and I'm more concerned about those than I I mean I concerned about those than I I mean I can teach him to read at a higher level can teach him to read at a higher level myself personally I don't need to have myself personally I don't need to have an iPad do that with the risk that it an iPad do that with the risk that it comes with yeah look do you want a kid comes with yeah look do you want a kid that uh does math real well but is that uh does math real well but is anxious and yeah irritable who doesn't anxious and yeah irritable who doesn't know how to build relationships with know how to build relationships with other people and I'm sure there's a way other people and I'm sure there's a way to use these tools

to use these tools to augment you know what you're doing to augment you know what you're doing but you know when I watch that talk from but you know when I watch that talk from that one there is you said it you that one there is you said it you interact with them and you use it as if interact with them and you use it as if it's a tool so they're getting both it's a tool so they're getting both right in front of it and then yeah yeah right in front of it and then yeah yeah that woman that one talk by that woman that woman that one talk by that woman really blew me away because she said really blew me away because she said their kids are learning in these their kids are learning in these artificial textbooks or computers and artificial textbooks or computers and it's not contextualized it's not contextualized in real life so learning a lesson from a in real life so learning a lesson from a book even or a computer or a tablet book even or a computer or a tablet versus learning a lesson in real life versus learning a lesson in real life which one is more valuable and so what which one is more valuable and so what we've done is we're telling kids like we've done is we're telling kids like and so what you're doing is you're and so what you're doing is you're making this kid sit in front of this making this kid sit in front of this thing by the way kids who are on these thing by the way kids who are on these things often don't know how to regulate things often don't know how to regulate their emotions as well because they their emotions as well because they distract themselves that becomes their distract themselves that becomes their co-regulation tool okay what does that co-regulation tool okay what does that mean take it away it's no different than mean take it away it's no different than this if you wore a weight belt all day this if you wore a weight belt all day long your core stability would develop long your core stability would develop and rely on the support of a weight belt and rely on the support of a weight belt take it off you'll have no core take it off you'll have no core stability take that away and your child stability take that away and your child doesn't have its co-regulating friend

doesn't have its co-regulating friend which is the iPad and they don't learn which is the iPad and they don't learn how to they don't know how to regulate how to they don't know how to regulate very well yeah this is kind of a tragic very well yeah this is kind of a tragic story but story but um there was a an incident where there um there was a an incident where there was this kid uh where I where I live up was this kid uh where I where I live up in the valley who in the valley who um got into an altercation with another um got into an altercation with another kid who was from a different school and kid who was from a different school and he found out he was at a party uh up in he found out he was at a party uh up in the valley and he took the bus he went the valley and he took the bus he went up there with a gun and he came looking up there with a gun and he came looking for him at this party with his gun and for him at this party with his gun and he pulls it out and what the first what he pulls it out and what the first what I focused on was the first action from I focused on was the first action from like everybody there they all took their like everybody there they all took their phone out and they're all like hiding phone out and they're all like hiding behind their screens and their behind their screens and their videotaping well the guy has a gun and videotaping well the guy has a gun and he goes right up to the kid he shoots he goes right up to the kid he shoots him in the stomach and then he gets on him in the stomach and then he gets on his motorcycle and takes off his motorcycle and takes off so the they were in like June not junior so the they were in like June not junior high but uh like I think they're like high but uh like I think they're like freshman sophomore in high school they freshman sophomore in high school they were kids kids and it was like yeah okay

were kids kids and it was like yeah okay so now you get like footage of the thing so now you get like footage of the thing so it's like they're able to prosecute so it's like they're able to prosecute and all that but like that's the first and all that but like that's the first instinct right all of these kids at this instinct right all of these kids at this party how about someone right yeah he's party how about someone right yeah he's a visible gun like a visible gun like anyways it's tragic it was a tragic you anyways it's tragic it was a tragic you know story but it was just like a very know story but it was just like a very fascinating to me to see kind of like fascinating to me to see kind of like this was this is a cultural thing oh man this was this is a cultural thing oh man that's weird no you're right I mean no that's weird no you're right I mean no different when like a fight or an different when like a fight or an altercation happens I've seen them been altercation happens I've seen them been in places like this where you know in places like this where you know someone's getting an altercation on a someone's getting an altercation on a bus or someone's getting into at a bus or someone's getting into at a restaurant or something like that and restaurant or something like that and instead of going in and defusing it or instead of going in and defusing it or stopping it everybody's natural reaction stopping it everybody's natural reaction is pull your phone out and record it and is pull your phone out and record it and it's like what the [ __ ] are we coming to it's like what the [ __ ] are we coming to right now like go there and stop that right now like go there and stop that it's like wild to me man that's it's like wild to me man that's interesting we had uh Arthur on the show interesting we had uh Arthur on the show and what did he say about like activism and what did he say about like activism along those lines he says we have a we along those lines he says we have a we have a um uh and um have a um uh and um that he used a different word than a that he used a different word than a massive problem with with activism yeah massive problem with with activism yeah he's like people not going and and he

he's like people not going and and he says if you want to do activism that says if you want to do activism that really not only works but also makes you really not only works but also makes you feel better is go help people yeah feel better is go help people yeah versus being enraged pissed off versus being enraged pissed off recording posting that kind of stuff recording posting that kind of stuff makes a lot of sense you know instead of makes a lot of sense you know instead of like posting about how mad you are about like posting about how mad you are about the Homeless Problem yeah and how the Homeless Problem yeah and how physically get up and go help and go physically get up and go help and go help in making it that's it makes such a help in making it that's it makes such a it's so weird I I never thought of one it's so weird I I never thought of one person help your local community like person help your local community like that's you can have the base impact that's you can have the base impact doing that over anything I mean that's doing that over anything I mean that's one that's one of uh Jordan Peterson's one that's one of uh Jordan Peterson's core messages right clean your own room core messages right clean your own room right before you go and tell everybody right before you go and tell everybody else about what they're doing wrong with else about what they're doing wrong with their life and how what a bad person their life and how what a bad person they are like clean your own [ __ ] you they are like clean your own [ __ ] you know go make an impact right that's know go make an impact right that's crazy all right but anyway I want to crazy all right but anyway I want to tell you guys something else that's tell you guys something else that's annoying are you guys as annoyed as I am annoying are you guys as annoyed as I am about like going to buy like food or about like going to buy like food or anything anything and you pay with your at your phone or and you pay with your at your phone or your credit card and they spin the your credit card and they spin the screen around for a tip oh yeah yeah screen around for a tip oh yeah yeah isn't that funny and I'm like I'm isn't that funny and I'm like I'm looking at the dude like you rang me up

looking at the dude like you rang me up I'm not even juggle or anything you I'm not even juggle or anything you didn't do anything I bought something didn't do anything I bought something from here now it's all of a sudden it's from here now it's all of a sudden it's tipping culture it has become this thing tipping culture it has become this thing now tip me well what's even more Awkward now tip me well what's even more Awkward man we just have to do some [ __ ] well man we just have to do some [ __ ] well what's more Awkward about it is they what's more Awkward about it is they won't make eye contact yeah they spin it won't make eye contact yeah they spin it around and they they look away or they around and they they look away or they they like at Starbucks especially if they like at Starbucks especially if they're not even friendly they hate to they're not even friendly they hate to start yeah that's so so weird it's so start yeah that's so so weird it's so weird right and it puts me in a weird weird right and it puts me in a weird position because I'm like am I gonna be position because I'm like am I gonna be a dick for saying no because you rang up a dick for saying no because you rang up my bottle of water what I find interesting it's always like 15 20 25 yeah whatever like five percent 15 20 25 yeah whatever like five percent or ten percent yeah the minimum is 15. or ten percent yeah the minimum is 15. he's like 15 I give somebody 20 25 if he's like 15 I give somebody 20 25 if they've waited on me right if I'm at they've waited on me right if I'm at dinner but you know yeah I got a coffee dinner but you know yeah I got a coffee at Starbucks and you want 25 yeah you

at Starbucks and you want 25 yeah you may as well build it into the price and may as well build it into the price and just charge me that price now full just charge me that price now full disclosure I say no most the time but I disclosure I say no most the time but I do tip sometimes when the person is do tip sometimes when the person is exceptional I do too and I have so like exceptional I do too and I have so like like there's this place we go to in like there's this place we go to in Willow Glen uh I'll give them a shout Willow Glen uh I'll give them a shout out um El Halal I'm guilt I'm guilty for out um El Halal I'm guilt I'm guilty for always I know I tip a lot so it's a always I know I tip a lot so it's a great this taco place is amazing guilt great this taco place is amazing guilt things and we go there and the kids that things and we go there and the kids that work there are so whoever owns a place work there are so whoever owns a place knows how to hire great kids because I'm knows how to hire great kids because I'm gonna I'm gonna say something right now gonna I'm gonna say something right now like when you see teenagers working at like when you see teenagers working at places these days they typically are places these days they typically are zombies and they suck yeah suck I just zombies and they suck yeah suck I just I've been Jessica and I talk about it's I've been Jessica and I talk about it's like what is how these kids get jobs like what is how these kids get jobs they're terrible yeah anyway this taco they're terrible yeah anyway this taco place he's got these kids working there place he's got these kids working there they're so friendly they're so good like they're so friendly they're so good like they're great so I always tip those kids they're great so I always tip those kids over there but if you suck you don't over there but if you suck you don't even look at me you ain't getting [ __ ] even look at me you ain't getting [ __ ] on me you know what I mean you know you on me you know what I mean you know you know how many kids that I've I've had know how many kids that I've I've had like ring me up at like these places like ring me up at like these places that have air pods in I think that's that have air pods in I think that's [ __ ] while they're working yes bro

[ __ ] while they're working yes bro how does a manager allow that like come how does a manager allow that like come on like if I was if I wasn't such a busy on like if I was if I wasn't such a busy person I'd be like [ __ ] find me your person I'd be like [ __ ] find me your boss so I could go talk to him right now boss so I could go talk to him right now and slap him for rehiring you like what and slap him for rehiring you like what are you listening in there it's unreal are you listening in there it's unreal and I've had some of them I I'm trying and I've had some of them I I'm trying to communicate with them I I don't to communicate with them I I don't realize they have them in there huh yeah realize they have them in there huh yeah you know people they're probably you know people they're probably listening podcasts the worst service listening podcasts the worst service yeah they're listening to my podcast yeah they're listening to my podcast don't be alerts you know you know what don't be alerts you know you know what hold on a second yeah so some of the worst sir I don't know this obviously these are franchises so this obviously these are franchises so I'm sure it's not true everywhere but I'm sure it's not true everywhere but some of the worst kids that serve me some of the worst kids that serve me which are Chipotle which are Chipotle on bull there's this one Chipotle we go on bull there's this one Chipotle we go to and I swear every time we go there to and I swear every time we go there I'm like these kids they won't look at I'm like these kids they won't look at you they don't look at each other you they don't look at each other they're moving at like negative speeds they're moving at like negative speeds six people make your burrito I'm [ __ ] six people make your burrito I'm [ __ ] serious it's a six-person line to get to serious it's a six-person line to get to your breath really that's where we're at

your breath really that's where we're at now I need six of you to make a burrito now I need six of you to make a burrito [ __ ] crazy dude [ __ ] crazy dude machines are gonna take that job machines are gonna take that job heavy-handed Harry dude I always find heavy-handed Harry dude I always find that guy yeah I mean that one was good that guy yeah I mean that one was good service it's only one though it's like I service it's only one though it's like I have to drive a little further it's in have to drive a little further it's in Capitola but yeah the one that's closer Capitola but yeah the one that's closer it's well mainly it was ruined because it's well mainly it was ruined because like there used to be like a homeless like there used to be like a homeless encampment like right by and so you know encampment like right by and so you know as I'm coming in there'd be a guy like as I'm coming in there'd be a guy like eating stuff out of trash and like you eating stuff out of trash and like you know anyways it was not great with the know anyways it was not great with the kids yeah let's just say yeah yeah I kids yeah let's just say yeah yeah I think I mean uh McDonald's has already think I mean uh McDonald's has already got the whole uh automated yeah got the whole uh automated yeah automated thing going I mean it's it's automated thing going I mean it's it's not huge yet but I mean it's happening not huge yet but I mean it's happening so I'm the first person man if you do a so I'm the first person man if you do a good job man like I'll go out of my way good job man like I'll go out of my way and let you know let your boss know but and let you know let your boss know but God that's so rare these days yeah I was God that's so rare these days yeah I was talking my kids starting to apply for talking my kids starting to apply for jobs right my oldest and uh I'm just jobs right my oldest and uh I'm just telling them like listen what is he telling them like listen what is he gonna do is he going to work while he's gonna do is he going to work while he's in school you get both yeah now and in school you get both yeah now and because he now he's out right he just because he now he's out right he just graduated but so what is what does a kid graduated but so what is what does a kid like that get at a school like like I

like that get at a school like like I know where he's going so I'm trying to know where he's going so I'm trying to think of like what's out there that he think of like what's out there that he could do well I'm gonna he's already could do well I'm gonna he's already covered right his room and board is covered right his room and board is covered that's from you guys that's cool covered that's from you guys that's cool how do you say and he gets it he gets an how do you say and he gets it he gets an allowance uh as part of it where he has allowance uh as part of it where he has this card that gets so much food this card that gets so much food anything else is on him so if he wants anything else is on him so if he wants more food wants to go out do anything more food wants to go out do anything else he's got to get a job so that's on else he's got to get a job so that's on him yeah yeah so what jobs he can get a him yeah yeah so what jobs he can get a job on campus or something now is there job on campus or something now is there is there rules and stipulations that or is there rules and stipulations that or is just like as long as you're in school is just like as long as you're in school this is what we're going to provide oh this is what we're going to provide oh yeah yeah you got to get you start yeah yeah you got to get you start getting shitty grades you're gonna pay getting shitty grades you're gonna pay nothing for your okay okay that's what nothing for your okay okay that's what I'm wondering yeah come on that's just I'm wondering yeah come on that's just ridiculous I understand that why would ridiculous I understand that why would you pay for something there's no parents you pay for something there's no parents that do well there's parents that that's that do well there's parents that that's just the rules that like as long as just the rules that like as long as you're in school your your parents take you're in school your your parents take care of your stuff oh well it's not just care of your stuff oh well it's not just yeah you got to be in school and you got yeah you got to be in school and you got to do you know you got to look like you to do you know you got to look like you care and you're putting some effort in care and you're putting some effort in yeah and but what we what you pay for yeah and but what we what you pay for includes a certain allotment of food includes a certain allotment of food anything on top of that though you know

anything on top of that though you know you got to work for yourself and it's you got to work for yourself and it's not like you can't like obviously I not like you can't like obviously I could pay for everything but no of could pay for everything but no of course what you know course what you know a sense of self-responsibility I'm a sense of self-responsibility I'm asking because obviously I'm a long ways asking because obviously I'm a long ways from this but I do think about it and I from this but I do think about it and I think like you know would I would I pay think like you know would I would I pay for all of it would I pay for some of it for all of it would I pay for some of it like what would I like there's got to be like what would I like there's got to be some value in actually not even paying some value in actually not even paying for all of it right like there's like for all of it right like there's like some value and maybe even going oh okay some value and maybe even going oh okay listen I'll pay for classes or room and listen I'll pay for classes or room and board but food's on you yeah so it board but food's on you yeah so it depends on the okay so a lot of colleges depends on the okay so a lot of colleges now if you pay for the dorm you pay for now if you pay for the dorm you pay for the room and board it includes there's I the room and board it includes there's I think that even cafeteria yeah it think that even cafeteria yeah it includes it that's what I had when I includes it that's what I had when I yeah so you can't you can't say I don't yeah so you can't you can't say I don't want to pay that part I think it's part want to pay that part I think it's part of the package where he's going yeah of the package where he's going yeah um but for me it depended on the degree um but for me it depended on the degree if it's a degree that's got Market if it's a degree that's got Market viability then I'll cover it if it's got viability then I'll cover it if it's got no market value you pay it yourself no market value you pay it yourself would he choose did you he chose would he choose did you he chose computer science oh yeah in engineering computer science oh yeah in engineering oh yeah although it seems like those are oh yeah although it seems like those are the jobs that are gonna be gone no I had

the jobs that are gonna be gone no I had this company he thinks he might want to go in that direction yeah of working with of direction yeah of working with of learning how to work with it and and learning how to work with it and and yeah I'm definitely in that space though yeah I'm definitely in that space though right now of like what's a good first right now of like what's a good first job like I'm trying to to think about job like I'm trying to to think about that a lot with with Ethan because it's that a lot with with Ethan because it's like I mean he's 13 and it's like he's like I mean he's 13 and it's like he's already kind of thinking about like already kind of thinking about like working at this like Deli or like doing working at this like Deli or like doing this or that or the other so I'm like this or that or the other so I'm like trying to see like where he goes with it trying to see like where he goes with it but I mean you know I'm I'm like I want but I mean you know I'm I'm like I want to get him to uh be a shadow to to to get him to uh be a shadow to to construction learn how to build a house construction learn how to build a house of every detail of it like from of every detail of it like from everything trade you know just so at everything trade you know just so at least he like can see like what it takes least he like can see like what it takes and and learn all that stuff but uh I and and learn all that stuff but uh I mean I don't know if he wants to do that mean I don't know if he wants to do that you know I mean you went the waiter you know I mean you went the waiter route right that's what you did right I route right that's what you did right I think that's I did both everybody should think that's I did both everybody should work in a restaurant yeah starting a work in a restaurant yeah starting a house and then I worked to the waiter I house and then I worked to the waiter I went the I want the agriculture away went the I want the agriculture away right so I went to a farm like that's

right so I went to a farm like that's what I did right so I mean I think both what I did right so I mean I think both have tremendous value they do but have tremendous value they do but people's skills and yeah and being able people's skills and yeah and being able to so you get more of that conversations to so you get more of that conversations yeah yeah I helped a lot I think working yeah yeah I helped a lot I think working retail or working a restaurant is retail or working a restaurant is important like go get a job at Starbucks important like go get a job at Starbucks or somewhere where you have to Sydney or somewhere where you have to Sydney you'll appreciate service people yes and you'll appreciate service people yes and not only that you appreciate them you not only that you appreciate them you understand what it's like you have to understand what it's like you have to work with different people you got to work with different people you got to deal with [ __ ] you gotta deal with deal with [ __ ] you gotta deal with nice people dude it's Society right it nice people dude it's Society right it it it's incredible to me like uh how it it's incredible to me like uh how people behave like towards waiters and people behave like towards waiters and service yeah like it's it like I I guess service yeah like it's it like I I guess I was baffled I didn't know that because I was baffled I didn't know that because I was just like a you know Patron I was just like a you know Patron forever I go in I'm just eating I'm just forever I go in I'm just eating I'm just like and you're not a Banks you know I'm like and you're not a Banks you know I'm not a dick there's a lot of [ __ ] not a dick there's a lot of [ __ ] like that just come in and just yeah like that just come in and just yeah like throw throw things at you like talk like throw throw things at you like talk [ __ ] to you the whole time you're like [ __ ] to you the whole time you're like just trying to help them like dude I just trying to help them like dude I mean who are you well it's just like a mean who are you well it's just like a it's a numbers singer I think any it's a numbers singer I think any profession where you have to see a high profession where you have to see a high volume of people per day if you're gonna volume of people per day if you're gonna see a high yeah there's just there's

see a high yeah there's just there's just a percentage-wise there's more just a percentage-wise there's more [ __ ] out there than there are [ __ ] out there than there are friendly people so if you see 30 people friendly people so if you see 30 people in a day or more yeah there's a good in a day or more yeah there's a good chance you're gonna have to deal with chance you're gonna have to deal with some people you know it's more hated for some people you know it's more hated for a while because I had to get blood work a while because I had to get blood work done this morning and I actually drove done this morning and I actually drove way out of my way to go to this special way out of my way to go to this special this specific lab where we've had to do this specific lab where we've had to do our blood so many times and I was like our blood so many times and I was like the 13th time or whatever I do my blood the 13th time or whatever I do my blood so like I now go to this one place so like I now go to this one place because I like the guy I like the way he because I like the guy I like the way he talks to me because every they bust so talks to me because every they bust so many people through there I mean they many people through there I mean they must see a hundred patients in a day and must see a hundred patients in a day and I've been to so many of them and most of I've been to so many of them and most of the people they're rude they stab me I the people they're rude they stab me I get bruised like they like they don't get bruised like they like they don't talk to me like like it's just a talk to me like like it's just a terrible experience like to do that and terrible experience like to do that and so I actually drive all out of my way to so I actually drive all out of my way to go to this one place because the same go to this one place because the same guy that's there and it was I was guy that's there and it was I was telling Katrina because Katrina was with telling Katrina because Katrina was with me so it helps keep my mind

here's a great example though right so normally when I see him it's actually normally when I see him it's actually during the slower times I was there in during the slower times I was there in the morning which seems to be when the morning which seems to be when everybody wants to get their blood drawn everybody wants to get their blood drawn and so I'm in there and there must have and so I'm in there and there must have been uh five other patients all hustling been uh five other patients all hustling and uh you know at least three of the and uh you know at least three of the five didn't know how to check themselves five didn't know how to check themselves in one old lady like was so like lost in one old lady like was so like lost and confused I was kind of helpers and and confused I was kind of helpers and and he's like running the desk and he's and he's like running the desk and he's doing the blood work for everybody back doing the blood work for everybody back and forth and then and then Katrina and forth and then and then Katrina asked him to do special things with my asked him to do special things with my oh could you send it over here and do oh could you send it over here and do things that they don't normally do and things that they don't normally do and the guy was just like calm about all of the guy was just like calm about all of this that's cool and I told him when I this that's cool and I told him when I got back there I said man I really I got back there I said man I really I said just so you know I said come all said just so you know I said come all the way over here for you because I do the way over here for you because I do this a lot and I think that and I get it this a lot and I think that and I get it because you guys got to deal with a lot because you guys got to deal with a lot of people you know that don't know what of people you know that don't know what they're doing that are rude and stuff they're doing that are rude and stuff like that and for it to not affect you I like that and for it to not affect you I said I appreciate that you know do they said I appreciate that you know do they have to switch the the arm cuff for the have to switch the the arm cuff for the blood pressure to the opening he's too blood pressure to the opening he's too big yeah yeah isn't that a great

[Laughter] hey I just read a list today that's kind hey I just read a list today that's kind of interesting the drunkest cities in of interesting the drunkest cities in America oh let's guess America oh let's guess hold on hold on hold on Chicago yeah I hold on hold on hold on Chicago yeah I would definitely hold on because this is would definitely hold on because this is what's interesting about it ten seven what's interesting about it ten seven out of 10. seven out of ten of them from out of 10. seven out of ten of them from the same state yeah I know you know why the same state yeah I know you know why though deadly Florida no it's New York though deadly Florida no it's New York because the city doesn't sleep right because the city doesn't sleep right they're up all night no no okay so Vegas they're up all night no no okay so Vegas Daytona what okay hold on whoa hold on Daytona what okay hold on whoa hold on so drunkenness per City let me tell you so drunkenness per City let me tell you how they measured it right yeah okay so how they measured it right yeah okay so drunkenness per city was measured by the drunkenness per city was measured by the percent of the population percent of the population that either binge drinks or drinks that either binge drinks or drinks heavily throughout the week so four to heavily throughout the week so four to five drinks in a sitting or 15 or more five drinks in a sitting or 15 or more drinks per week so literally Seattle the drinks per week so literally Seattle the most drunk game so most popular College most drunk game so most popular College City towns City towns because during the wheat drinkings because during the wheat drinkings college kids I'm gonna tell you right

college kids I'm gonna tell you right now just forget the cities are we now just forget the cities are we talking about yesholics are we talking talking about yesholics are we talking about the states well the state seven about the states well the state seven out of ten of them was the same state out of ten of them was the same state Wisconsin holy [ __ ] Wisconsin why would Wisconsin holy [ __ ] Wisconsin why would you say Wisconsin wait did I say you say Wisconsin wait did I say Milwaukee no you didn't yeah I'm just Milwaukee no you didn't yeah I'm just thinking where they make beers honestly thinking where they make beers honestly why would you get that's why you would why would you get that's why you would guess Wisconsin unless it's cold you guess Wisconsin unless it's cold you know I mean I don't know that was a good know I mean I don't know that was a good news he hit it on the nail on the head Wow first of all well Wisconsin is seven out first of all well Wisconsin is seven out of out of these Madison seven out of ten of out of these Madison seven out of ten top Tanner but all of them are cold ass top Tanner but all of them are cold ass places yes cold yeah if people are places yes cold yeah if people are saying Montana North Dakota really yeah saying Montana North Dakota really yeah but will Wisconsin man they cool I would but will Wisconsin man they cool I would have failed that test they crushed beers have failed that test they crushed beers Appleton number one Oshkosh Nina all Appleton number one Oshkosh Nina all places I don't even know Green Bay places I don't even know Green Bay Madison and then you have Fargo North Madison and then you have Fargo North North Dakota but then back to back to North Dakota but then back to back to Wisconsin lacrosse on Alaska yeah Wisconsin lacrosse on Alaska yeah fund fund do lock there's a lot of uh

fund fund do lock there's a lot of uh like French sounding places out there like French sounding places out there you Claire yeah all Wisconsin yeah I you Claire yeah all Wisconsin yeah I would have failed I would have went in would have failed I would have went in New York I would have went Miami New New York I would have went Miami New York Las Vegas I was just thinking like York Las Vegas I was just thinking like everywhere we've been for spring break everywhere we've been for spring break and you know I would have never thought and you know I would have never thought Wisconsin I don't know big ass drinking Wisconsin I don't know big ass drinking place it is it is I mean I just know place it is it is I mean I just know that like BMI is higher in those uh that like BMI is higher in those uh States as well that's true because it's States as well that's true because it's cold and you know you're indoors yeah cold and you know you're indoors yeah that's true yeah I mean if we were that's true yeah I mean if we were guessing like uh eating fried food or guessing like uh eating fried food or something like that I might go that something like that I might go that direction yeah but she I didn't know direction yeah but she I didn't know where you're going I know where you're where you're going I know where you're going like more impulsive behaviors to going like more impulsive behaviors to deal with the cold the depression deal with the cold the depression somebody please send me some cheese somebody please send me some cheese curds from Wisconsin you know cheese curds from Wisconsin you know cheese curds are only good they're only good curds are only good they're only good with like you have to eat them in a day with like you have to eat them in a day right they don't last very well that's right they don't last very well that's true have you ever had cheese curds true have you ever had cheese curds they're so good you know what they are they're so good you know what they are about them you know what's weird about about them you know what's weird about them they squeeze yeah yeah when you them they squeeze yeah yeah when you chew it isn't that weird yeah like you chew it isn't that weird yeah like you actually they squeak a little bit actually they squeak a little bit because there's an air air pockets and I

because there's an air air pockets and I don't know why yeah that's why there's don't know why yeah that's why there's areas because they're alive I think no they squeak is that weird I know that uh I think we have fiori I know that uh I think we have fiori today's video today yes of yours today today's video today yes of yours today and I see you're wearing viori and and I see you're wearing viori and you're wearing State and Liberty yeah you're wearing State and Liberty yeah but yeah I'm Fury pants uh you know oh but yeah I'm Fury pants uh you know oh okay I'm half so what's your now have okay I'm half so what's your now have you done the state liberty t-shirts yet you done the state liberty t-shirts yet I wore that one yesterday you did I did I wore that one yesterday you did I did okay so let's let's I like it I love it okay so let's let's I like it I love it yeah I like it do you like it no okay so yeah I like it do you like it no okay so like you like the state liberty more no like you like the state liberty more no so hold on so um it's okay we could be so hold on so um it's okay we could be honest because I like State and honest because I like State and Liberties State Liberties their suits Liberties State Liberties their suits and they're really they're good formal and they're really they're good formal wears that crushes yeah athleisure wear wears that crushes yeah athleisure wear stuff like this I don't know what we've stuff like this I don't know what we've already the hell material they use but already the hell material they use but it's like so workouts versus just like it's like so workouts versus just like walking around yeah so I walk around and walking around yeah so I walk around and then work out and that like that would then work out and that like that would be my jam uh Gloria athleisure where be my jam uh Gloria athleisure where they say that nobody touches them but they say that nobody touches them but but dude this I mean this is like I but dude this I mean this is like I haven't only shirts it's actually like haven't only shirts it's actually like it made me feel like less of a fat ass I

it made me feel like less of a fat ass I haven't I haven't not not a fan not like haven't I haven't not not a fan not like full fat I haven't wore a state liberty full fat I haven't wore a state liberty t-shirt I have all their dress stuff t-shirt I have all their dress stuff yeah and I have a bunch of you they're yeah and I have a bunch of you they're dressed up crushes but yeah Fiore I mean dressed up crushes but yeah Fiore I mean like like if you touch I just no even like like if you touch I just no even Jessica said it she she just touches it Jessica said it she she just touches it she's like they have the best feeling she's like they have the best feeling material that's true no no their stuff material that's true no no their stuff is is fire they kill it yeah everything is is fire they kill it yeah everything I actually like I wish I'm so bad they I I actually like I wish I'm so bad they I know they sent us boxes and I like this know they sent us boxes and I like this you know originally I like the idea of you know originally I like the idea of like it's always picking our boxes but like it's always picking our boxes but instead they want to like send us stuff instead they want to like send us stuff to try or they have new things coming to try or they have new things coming out and I they they sent me some things out and I they they sent me some things that I probably wouldn't have bought and that I probably wouldn't have bought and everybody put it on you like it I did everybody put it on you like it I did and the colors too they chose like I and the colors too they chose like I wouldn't wear those normally I was like wouldn't wear those normally I was like oh that looks good me too just like your oh that looks good me too just like your salmon yeah yeah they gave me like this salmon yeah yeah they gave me like this light teal shorts these shorts they had light teal shorts these shorts they had the uh the the black spandex underneath the uh the the black spandex underneath and then they're they're real loose and and then they're they're real loose and they uh and they were like this kind of they uh and they were like this kind of teal color yeah maybe Doug you can look teal color yeah maybe Doug you can look up what the style is because that's a up what the style is because that's a terrible commercial not to be able to

terrible commercial not to be able to tell people what the the name I'm not tell people what the the name I'm not good with the names good with the names huh rear knees exposed yeah yeah huh rear knees exposed yeah yeah oh by the way speaking of that why oh by the way speaking of that why Doug's looking the shorts up Doug's looking the shorts up um um I have noticed that what's making a I have noticed that what's making a comeback is uh baggy jeans yeah oh I was comeback is uh baggy jeans yeah oh I was just gonna I was just gonna bring that just gonna I was just gonna bring that like yeah well not that not quite yeah like yeah well not that not quite yeah but getting there yeah where I mean like but getting there yeah where I mean like look at over like my my shoes so I was look at over like my my shoes so I was ready for hacky sack bro I was driving ready for hacky sack bro I was driving home the other day with my daughter and home the other day with my daughter and these in high school was out and these these in high school was out and these kids were walking by and I it's mostly kids were walking by and I it's mostly with the girls so far no I'll show you with the girls so far no I'll show you I'm like you could pick out I said this I'm like you could pick out I said this I feel like I'm in high school right now I feel like I'm in high school right now they're dressed almost identical to how they're dressed almost identical to how we used to dress Dylan what's the name we used to dress Dylan what's the name of the um what's the name of the uh the of the um what's the name of the uh the influencer kid he's got black hair influencer kid he's got black hair alphalite he's a Christian Guzman pull alphalite he's a Christian Guzman pull up his Instagram I just up his Instagram I just like what'd you say I said thanks Dylan like what'd you say I said thanks Dylan they said they still have your

they said they still have your inspiration they're they're neural inspiration they're they're neural linked to each other linked to each other did you already find my my shorts I'm did you already find my my shorts I'm looking at the Fullerton shorts can you looking at the Fullerton shorts can you pull them up they uh but they don't have pull them up they uh but they don't have teal oh is it teal you said well like a teal oh is it teal you said well like a tea like a light real light light blue tea like a light real light light blue look they're the only ones I see though look they're the only ones I see though it has the like the black spandex it has the like the black spandex underneath oh I hope I didn't talk about underneath oh I hope I didn't talk about something that's not out yet oh maybe something that's not out yet oh maybe you did uh I want you to pull that up you did uh I want you to pull that up and then I want you to pull up uh tell and then I want you to pull up uh tell me if this is a style here oh I like me if this is a style here oh I like those no those aren't them but I do okay those no those aren't them but I do okay let me see if I can find some those are let me see if I can find some those are the full-term ones I do like those two the full-term ones I do like those two though I'll get back uh back to you on though I'll get back uh back to you on that one okay I'm gonna make you do that one okay I'm gonna make you do something else it feels I think those something else it feels I think those are are down go down down to the left yeah yeah down go down down to the left yeah yeah the one on the very left is the one I the one on the very left is the one I got that's a cool the core shorts okay got that's a cool the core shorts okay yeah they have a liner they don't have yeah they have a liner they don't have the uh oh it's a designer it's not like the uh oh it's a designer it's not like Hispanic okay you're right you're right Hispanic okay you're right you're right so it's the core shorts yeah I like the so it's the core shorts yeah I like the course I like the core shorts too a lot course I like the core shorts too a lot okay so now go to uh I want the guys to okay so now go to uh I want the guys to see this see this well I'm trying to do that see if I can well I'm trying to do that see if I can I don't know while you're doing that I'm

I don't know while you're doing that I'm gonna I'm gonna just and we'll get back gonna I'm gonna just and we'll get back to that I promise Adam I'm not trying to to that I promise Adam I'm not trying to hijack you but here we go you want to hijack you but here we go you want to hear some interest something crazy hear some interest something crazy did you know okay so how many people did you know okay so how many people have walked the moon do you guys know have walked the moon do you guys know how many people let's just say it's like how many people let's just say it's like 12. some would say none 12. you're wrong 12. some would say none 12. you're wrong it was fake no 12 people have walked the it was fake no 12 people have walked the moon what do you know how many people moon what do you know how many people how many people yeah you're right how how many people yeah you're right how many people have visited the Marianas many people have visited the Marianas Trench what's that one three oh three Trench what's that one three oh three what is it we know less about the what is it we know less about the deepest parts of the ocean than we do deepest parts of the ocean than we do the moon dude I know it's one of the the moon dude I know it's one of the steepest Parts in the ocean oh well we steepest Parts in the ocean oh well we do we've known that we've talked about do we've known that we've talked about that they're not weird there's like that they're not weird there's like there's species that we still have that there's species that we still have that are undiscovered down there right yeah are undiscovered down there right yeah yeah no there's it's crazy isn't that yeah no there's it's crazy isn't that wild It is Well three people have been wild It is Well three people have been down there well bro wouldn't you God down there well bro wouldn't you God that sounds well I guess they're just that sounds well I guess they're just scared to be probably up on a moon too scared to be probably up on a moon too I'd rather go on the moon oh so really I'd rather go on the moon oh so really speaking of the moon so I was actually speaking of the moon so I was actually like talking to my friends and I'm like like talking to my friends and I'm like I know I read this and it was it was I know I read this and it was it was valid it wasn't like pure conspiracy

valid it wasn't like pure conspiracy theory but like my friends just roll theory but like my friends just roll their eyes you know immediately because their eyes you know immediately because I was talking about that they actually I was talking about that they actually like launched Rockets onto the moon soon like launched Rockets onto the moon soon to have them explode and it caused a to have them explode and it caused a ring so it was like a a vibrating ring ring so it was like a a vibrating ring we had like Moon Quakes that that we had like Moon Quakes that that creates this like almost a ring noise creates this like almost a ring noise like almost like it's Hollow read it like almost like it's Hollow read it it's Popular Science wrote an articles it's Popular Science wrote an articles yeah the density just go to his home yeah the density just go to his home like that video but this is where the like that video but this is where the hell on his homepage Hollow Moon and all hell on his homepage Hollow Moon and all that kind of stuff you get the that kind of stuff you get the conspiracy people around that I was I conspiracy people around that I was I was just like dude that tripped me out was just like dude that tripped me out that it like rang that it like rang that there's a moon base look at the pages come on scroll down scroll down it's right there right right scroll down it's right there right right there see you yeah see his pants oh yeah there see you yeah see his pants oh yeah right so yeah both those and and I had right so yeah both those and and I had just seen it on somebody else and I'm just seen it on somebody else and I'm like son of a [ __ ] damn it did I don't like son of a [ __ ] damn it did I don't think I threw mine away I'll go pull think I threw mine away I'll go pull them out

them out so are they sagging them too or is it so are they sagging them too or is it they're just they're just back to kind they're just they're just back to kind of a baggy loose fit look at the bottoms of a baggy loose fit look at the bottoms the bottoms are covering half of his the bottoms are covering half of his sneaker like me when we were kids if I sneaker like me when we were kids if I start seeing it was funny it's like so start seeing it was funny it's like so he's young right so he's like uh I don't he's young right so he's like uh I don't know what Guzman's like he's probably know what Guzman's like he's probably 30. Dylan you know how old he is oh 30. Dylan you know how old he is oh actually you know what dude still a lot actually you know what dude still a lot of pressure when you're sitting in that of pressure when you're sitting in that chair dude you have to know everything chair dude you have to know everything okay okay if I start seeing people wear those with if I start seeing people wear those with the the shell top Adidas he's 30 years the the shell top Adidas he's 30 years old right yeah so he's a youngster right old right yeah so he's a youngster right so he's got we got 12 years so he so he's got we got 12 years so he doesn't remember he doesn't remember doesn't remember he doesn't remember wearing that in high school like I Dre wearing that in high school like I Dre just like that picture of him because he just like that picture of him because he did he wasn't in high school and those did he wasn't in high school and those were in style I know that's what I'm were in style I know that's what I'm saying like that I I like I have saying like that I I like I have pictures of me in a ball cap like that a pictures of me in a ball cap like that a shirt like that and pants like that like shirt like that and pants like that like when I was like freshman sophomore year when I was like freshman sophomore year you know what else is uh well this has you know what else is uh well this has already been back for a while do you already been back for a while do you remember those shoes what do they call remember those shoes what do they call Penny I don't remember they call girls Penny I don't remember they call girls wear them and they were like round toe wear them and they were like round toe black shoes with the strap that comes

black shoes with the strap that comes over do you remember those shoes the over do you remember those shoes the girls wear them all the time now again girls wear them all the time now again young girls so my daughter went to the young girls so my daughter went to the store she wanted to buy a pair like holy store she wanted to buy a pair like holy cow that's what you described them to me cow that's what you described them to me again yeah they're like black but the again yeah they're like black but the RAM that the front is round they're RAM that the front is round they're leather and they'll just have like one leather and they'll just have like one strap over and it looks like a like a strap over and it looks like a like a almost like a baby doll shoe or almost like a baby doll shoe or something did you guys did you guys did I show you guys the the cartoon boots that were that are trained yes the boots that were that are trained yes the red ones that when I was at the I went red ones that when I was at the I went to tell you guys I didn't tell you this to tell you guys I didn't tell you this so stupid which by the way I think is so stupid which by the way I think is also really funny to me like so one of also really funny to me like so one of the most common things that you see when the most common things that you see when you when you go to one of these games you when you go to one of these games like the like the Warriors game and this like the like the Warriors game and this is all sports I actually see this at all is all sports I actually see this at all events there's always like a lot of events there's always like a lot of people that have seats that are like you people that have seats that are like you know maybe they got like the the top of know maybe they got like the the top of the lower level with that and then they the lower level with that and then they walk because they'll let you before the walk because they'll let you before the game they'll let you walk all the way game they'll let you walk all the way down by Courtside and they take all down by Courtside and they take all their photos and this guy I'm sitting their photos and this guy I'm sitting down in my seats and he's he's came all

down in my seats and he's he's came all the way down and he's standing at me and the way down and he's standing at me and he's got like one of the ushers like he's got like one of the ushers like taking photos of him like posing all taking photos of him like posing all cool like he's Courtside and he's got cool like he's Courtside and he's got those [ __ ] red shoes stupid yes he's those [ __ ] red shoes stupid yes he's got those red shoes on what they look got those red shoes on what they look like is it like Papa Smurf like yes like is it like Papa Smurf like yes they're they're this bit they're massive they're they're this bit they're massive like this and they're red you haven't like this and they're red you haven't seen these look at that you know look seen these look at that you know look like uh Matt what's that guy that car like uh Matt what's that guy that car the video game where the guy blast the video game where the guy blast people people no no no no it's based off a cartoon guy no no no no it's based off a cartoon guy I forget the name I'll show you hey I forget the name I'll show you hey these are the shoes I was talking about these are the shoes I was talking about they're called Mary Janes do you they're called Mary Janes do you remember these remember these no you don't remember these shoes when no you don't remember these shoes when we were kids oh yeah yeah they're really we were kids oh yeah yeah they're really popular those are like uh Cabbage Patch popular those are like uh Cabbage Patch shoes cabbage that's what we call them shoes cabbage that's what we call them Astro Boy Astro that's what it was Astro Astro Boy Astro that's what it was Astro Boy shoes look at Doug pull up Astro Boy Boy shoes look at Doug pull up Astro Boy shoes so so Justin can see these and shoes so so Justin can see these and this is like a popular thing it is a this is like a popular thing it is a thing that these kids were now I thought thing that these kids were now I thought they were going to be how expensive they were going to be how expensive that's so ridiculous you see them yeah I that's so ridiculous you see them yeah I can see it on Doug's screen do you got can see it on Doug's screen do you got one with a kid wearing them yeah I saw one with a kid wearing them yeah I saw somebody wear these you've seen it too somebody wear these you've seen it too I've seen it too they're hilarious I've seen it too they're hilarious stupid maybe we should buy some those stupid maybe we should buy some those are Gargamel shoes what are we talking

are Gargamel shoes what are we talking about about they are Gargamel yeah dude I mean they are Gargamel yeah dude I mean they're based off the Astro Boy they're they're based off the Astro Boy they're named Astro Boy shoes right so they're named Astro Boy shoes right so they're based off of that cartoon but you're based off of that cartoon but you're right Gargamel same style why don't we right Gargamel same style why don't we we should just buy them us three bro we should just buy them us three bro they're so ridiculous now I thought they they're so ridiculous now I thought they were some crazy high fashion like thing were some crazy high fashion like thing where they were expensive and they're where they were expensive and they're not expensive they're just stupid you not expensive they're just stupid you know what would suck if you're wearing know what would suck if you're wearing but I've seen those big ass those but I've seen those big ass those big-ass shoes and then an emergency big-ass shoes and then an emergency happens you have to run oh you fall down happens you have to run oh you fall down I saw um I saw um what's the uh uh what's the uh uh um Antonio Brown wearing them at a game um Antonio Brown wearing them at a game that he was like the first person I saw that he was like the first person I saw where I'm and then I've seen do you guys where I'm and then I've seen do you guys remember that episode of Saved by the remember that episode of Saved by the Bell where they were talking about how Bell where they were talking about how fashion and styles start and they were fashion and styles start and they were talking about I think it was Kelly and talking about I think it was Kelly and they said you could wear a pizza on your they said you could wear a pizza on your head and then everybody in the school oh head and then everybody in the school oh and she did and everybody started and she did and everybody started wearing Pizza to make fun of that's what wearing Pizza to make fun of that's what reminds me of like just because someone reminds me of like just because someone popular and famous were still something popular and famous were still something stupid and everybody thinks it's cool I stupid and everybody thinks it's cool I mean you don't even have to be yeah you mean you don't even have to be yeah you don't even have to be famous if you're don't even have to be famous if you're if you're in high school you could

if you're in high school you could influence like that I mean I did that influence like that I mean I did that with I told you guys that with the PG e with I told you guys that with the PG e jacket I got the first time I wore that jacket I got the first time I wore that I remember everyone was what the [ __ ] I remember everyone was what the [ __ ] and there were two the next year I came and there were two the next year I came to school and like 30 kids I did the to school and like 30 kids I did the same thing nobody wore that yeah it was same thing nobody wore that yeah it was with the um uh uh what do you call those with the um uh uh what do you call those repairmen for like uh air conditioners repairmen for like uh air conditioners it was like this cool like work shirt it was like this cool like work shirt and it was just like and so all of a and it was just like and so all of a sudden everybody started wearing work sudden everybody started wearing work shirts I had so the way this happened shirts I had so the way this happened okay is is I didn't have a waterproof okay is is I didn't have a waterproof jacket yeah you reported my dad worked jacket yeah you reported my dad worked for PG news and he had and he had that I for PG news and he had and he had that I went to the to the board and really it went to the to the board and really it was like this he's like this the type of was like this he's like this the type of kid that I was I was like ah [ __ ] it I kid that I was I was like ah [ __ ] it I don't care you know what I'm saying like don't care you know what I'm saying like that's my my attitude was like I don't that's my my attitude was like I don't care like I'll wear whatever like I was care like I'll wear whatever like I was confident like that and I it was raining confident like that and I it was raining and I'm like it was a waterproof [ __ ] and I'm like it was a waterproof [ __ ] jacket so I put it on and I and I wore jacket so I put it on and I and I wore it to school I'm not gonna I'm not gonna it to school I'm not gonna I'm not gonna toot my own horn but people wearing wife toot my own horn but people wearing wife beaters

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our first caller is Joe from New Jersey Joe what's happening man how can we help Joe what's happening man how can we help you hey good day guys how are you how's you hey good day guys how are you how's everybody doing today doing pretty good everybody doing today doing pretty good good good what's going on all right good good what's going on all right great uh well this uh let me just say great uh well this uh let me just say it's a great opportunity to speak with it's a great opportunity to speak with you guys uh Papa we've been listening to you guys uh Papa we've been listening to your podcast I want to say two years now your podcast I want to say two years now um so I just want to thank everybody for um so I just want to thank everybody for the opportunity to be able to speak with the opportunity to be able to speak with you and um really really appreciate you and um really really appreciate everything you do and really uh everything you do and really uh so we look forward to hearing what you so we look forward to hearing what you got to say about my issue so my got to say about my issue so my um my my uh question is um my my uh question is um um what you know I was just recently what you know I was just recently diagnosed with a right hip label parent diagnosed with a right hip label parent so so um um and the question is what do I do or how and the question is what do I do or how do I train with it I have a little do I train with it I have a little background about it background about it um probably I want to say about a year um probably I want to say about a year and a half ago I started noticing pain and a half ago I started noticing pain in my hip in my hip um really from prolonged walking uh um really from prolonged walking uh probably on really noticed it on Hikes

probably on really noticed it on Hikes with my son while he's doing boy scouts with my son while he's doing boy scouts uh you know probably like a three mile uh you know probably like a three mile hike I really feel it in my hip but I hike I really feel it in my hip but I really thought it was attributed to back really thought it was attributed to back pain pain um and uh so while doing actually about um and uh so while doing actually about doing performance I think it's called doing performance I think it's called the Cossack squats the Cossack squats um I realized as I was standing as I was um I realized as I was standing as I was stepping laterally I really felt some stepping laterally I really felt some severe tightness in my in my abdomen severe tightness in my in my abdomen muscles so but then shortly after that I muscles so but then shortly after that I started feeling more pain in in my started feeling more pain in in my squats deadlifts so have you so I went squats deadlifts so have you so I went to get an MRI they confirmed it was to get an MRI they confirmed it was Labor care so Labor care so um um really what I like to know is you know really what I like to know is you know what what should I be doing with a label what what should I be doing with a label pair I remember their exercises I should pair I remember their exercises I should be doing or not yeah so okay so um I'll be doing or not yeah so okay so um I'll give you some general advice because you give you some general advice because you know I've worked with quite a few people know I've worked with quite a few people with this issue and node two are the with this issue and node two are the same you you know some people can do

same you you know some people can do some lateral movements or abduction some lateral movements or abduction other people find it with abduction so other people find it with abduction so for people who know this basically is for people who know this basically is what holds the hip uh socket together what holds the hip uh socket together right so it keeps the femur in the hip right so it keeps the femur in the hip socket and so you've kind of lost socket and so you've kind of lost stability essentially is what's going on stability essentially is what's going on here so the best general advice I could here so the best general advice I could give you would be to utilize isometrics give you would be to utilize isometrics isometrics it would be an exit because isometrics it would be an exit because you're not moving so you're not going to you're not moving so you're not going to uh put yourself at risk for adding uh put yourself at risk for adding resistance with movement but isometrics resistance with movement but isometrics are amazing for working on stability and are amazing for working on stability and what you do is you use different what you do is you use different positions of isometrics so that you do positions of isometrics so that you do build strength throughout the full range build strength throughout the full range of motion so what I would do is for of motion so what I would do is for example let's say you want to build some example let's say you want to build some lateral stability well rather than doing lateral stability well rather than doing lateral movement I would place my leg up lateral movement I would place my leg up against something that's immovable and against something that's immovable and then I would apply an isometric against then I would apply an isometric against that laterally and work on that hold that laterally and work on that hold that for 10 15 seconds and then relax that for 10 15 seconds and then relax and do sets of that and then if that and do sets of that and then if that once you get strong doing that move the

once you get strong doing that move the leg out a little more and you want to leg out a little more and you want to work with you know this is just good work with you know this is just good general advice work within your general advice work within your boundaries so move to the part where oh boundaries so move to the part where oh if I go a little further I'm going to if I go a little further I'm going to start to hurt strengthen there and then start to hurt strengthen there and then what you'll find is that limit tends to what you'll find is that limit tends to move out as you continue to work through move out as you continue to work through this progress so a hip bridge is a great this progress so a hip bridge is a great way to work on stability right holding a way to work on stability right holding a squat in a comfortable position would be squat in a comfortable position would be one way to do it a abduction or one way to do it a abduction or adduction with isometric would be one adduction with isometric would be one way to do it right a hip flexor exercise way to do it right a hip flexor exercise or movement where you're doing an or movement where you're doing an isometric with your hip flexor is isometric with your hip flexor is another way to do it and so you want to another way to do it and so you want to work on isometrics to build that work on isometrics to build that stability and then again you can change stability and then again you can change the angle of the isometric as you get the angle of the isometric as you get strong in particular movements and again strong in particular movements and again work within those limits yeah I would I work within those limits yeah I would I mean I would think 99 but there's mean I would think 99 but there's probably ways that you'd have to maybe probably ways that you'd have to maybe Elevate uh to to decrease some of the Elevate uh to to decrease some of the intensity of a um you know position like intensity of a um you know position like that but to kind of work your way that but to kind of work your way towards that there's ways of like

towards that there's ways of like regressing some of those kinds of regressing some of those kinds of movements and that's in like our Prime movements and that's in like our Prime Pro uh program there's there's lots of Pro uh program there's there's lots of isometric options in there to address isometric options in there to address the hips and all its versatility so yeah the hips and all its versatility so yeah you just got to go real slow body weight you just got to go real slow body weight and intense your body and get that and intense your body and get that connectivity with the muscles again and connectivity with the muscles again and then eventually too you could even move then eventually too you could even move on to band holds where you you know have on to band holds where you you know have resistance there and you're you're resistance there and you're you're fighting it's pull away so like a band fighting it's pull away so like a band distraction kind of a uh you know type distraction kind of a uh you know type of an exercise so you can build strength of an exercise so you can build strength that way progressively and not go too that way progressively and not go too fast Joe let me give you an example Joe fast Joe let me give you an example Joe so so um let's say you want to strengthen uh um let's say you want to strengthen uh stabilization from the abductors right stabilization from the abductors right the muscles that pull your legs apart the muscles that pull your legs apart okay you can lay on the floor feet your okay you can lay on the floor feet your knees bent and with your with your feet knees bent and with your with your feet flat on the floor put a strap around flat on the floor put a strap around your knees and allow your legs to your knees and allow your legs to separate it's called a clam shell right separate it's called a clam shell right so your knees come apart to the point so your knees come apart to the point before it starts to hurt so get to the

before it starts to hurt so get to the point where like oh if I go out any point where like oh if I go out any further it's going to start to hurt get further it's going to start to hurt get the strap put it around your legs so you the strap put it around your legs so you can't go out any further and then press can't go out any further and then press against the strap not a band a strap against the strap not a band a strap press out against it really hard with press out against it really hard with good technique good control for 10 15 good technique good control for 10 15 seconds two sets of that that would be seconds two sets of that that would be an example of an isometric to help build an example of an isometric to help build stability stability um in abduction you can do the same um in abduction you can do the same thing with adduction bringing the knees thing with adduction bringing the knees together you do the same thing with a together you do the same thing with a hip bridge like I said before so just hip bridge like I said before so just work on stabilizing all around the joint work on stabilizing all around the joint with isometrics you could do that in the with isometrics you could do that in the way we're sitting right now so the way way we're sitting right now so the way we're sitting right now with our our leg we're sitting right now with our our leg crossed is I can I can move your knee to crossed is I can I can move your knee to that end range where you start to feel that end range where you start to feel it and then like Sal is saying and then it and then like Sal is saying and then I can just use my other hand to drive I can just use my other hand to drive against it by by pushing out and then against it by by pushing out and then the opposite by pushing in from that the opposite by pushing in from that same exact position and just as intense same exact position and just as intense as you can and and keeping in that as you can and and keeping in that position in an isometric hole for like position in an isometric hole for like five to ten seconds but you don't want five to ten seconds but you don't want to move right you want to use the to move right you want to use the isometric because here's why you're isometric because here's why you're finding a position that doesn't hurt finding a position that doesn't hurt hurt and you want to strengthen within

hurt and you want to strengthen within that hey there because with with when that hey there because with with when you're looking at like a labral tears you're looking at like a labral tears are quite common in the hip you see this are quite common in the hip you see this uh quite often in athletes you uh quite often in athletes you definitely see this in people as they definitely see this in people as they get older and the challenge with them is get older and the challenge with them is as you move through a full range of as you move through a full range of motion with resistance if a muscle's motion with resistance if a muscle's tight or if there's a lack of stability tight or if there's a lack of stability in a particular area like that joint's in a particular area like that joint's going to want to separate unless we can going to want to separate unless we can find pain but if I find a place where I find pain but if I find a place where I feel safe and I can just apply feel safe and I can just apply resistance or a contraction so I'm not resistance or a contraction so I'm not moving I already know I'm stable in that moving I already know I'm stable in that position so the risk of injury is way position so the risk of injury is way low but I'm still strengthening and then low but I'm still strengthening and then isometrics you strengthen the position isometrics you strengthen the position you're in and then you go about 20 you're in and then you go about 20 degrees uh outside of it that's where degrees uh outside of it that's where the strength carries so if I'm pressing the strength carries so if I'm pressing out against that strap I'm going to get out against that strap I'm going to get strong in that position but I'm also strong in that position but I'm also going to get 20 degrees outside of it going to get 20 degrees outside of it and 20 degrees inside of it and so what and 20 degrees inside of it and so what I do is I just move and do isometrics I do is I just move and do isometrics through that range of motion to through that range of motion to strengthen the entire range of motion strengthen the entire range of motion but again what you'll find is you you'll

but again what you'll find is you you'll be able to challenge that that end range be able to challenge that that end range more and more as you feel more stable I more and more as you feel more stable I I would map symmetry is the program I I would map symmetry is the program I would give you would give you um and and you can kind of customize it um and and you can kind of customize it for some of the movements that we're for some of the movements that we're talking specifically about for the talking specifically about for the isometric portion and then I would also isometric portion and then I would also put a little Tweaky so if I was uh if put a little Tweaky so if I was uh if you was able to pain free do a lunge you was able to pain free do a lunge with you or a step up I would add with you or a step up I would add stability component always in that so stability component always in that so here's an example of where like maybe in here's an example of where like maybe in the past you've heard trainers mock like the past you've heard trainers mock like oh all this like you know step up to oh all this like you know step up to balance or lunge to bout but for you it balance or lunge to bout but for you it makes a lot of sense to do that so if I makes a lot of sense to do that so if I would do a lunge or a walking lunge with would do a lunge or a walking lunge with you I wouldn't just do a traditional you I wouldn't just do a traditional walking lunge I would create a stability walking lunge I would create a stability component at the top of the lunge every component at the top of the lunge every single time same thing with a step up I single time same thing with a step up I wouldn't just step up on a box I would wouldn't just step up on a box I would step up to a to stabilize yeah here's step up to a to stabilize yeah here's the here's the place out here's where the here's the place out here's where I'm gonna I'm gonna um I'm gonna warn you a little bit okay um I'm gonna warn you a little bit okay is uh you you depending on how bad this is uh you you depending on how bad this is for you get really good at the is for you get really good at the isometrics before you do anything full isometrics before you do anything full range motion with stability I was gonna

range motion with stability I was gonna say stay in phase one if you do symmetry say stay in phase one if you do symmetry yeah stay there you know an extended yeah stay there you know an extended amount of time if you still need that amount of time if you still need that for the lower body yeah if you don't for the lower body yeah if you don't feel like it's you know really holding feel like it's you know really holding strong and stabilizing you gotta your strong and stabilizing you gotta your temperature is being free right right temperature is being free right right that's really the component yeah where that's really the component yeah where you move on to the actual movement you move on to the actual movement portion yes because what will happen if portion yes because what will happen if you don't is if you're strengthening and you don't is if you're strengthening and you feel a little bit of pain you're you feel a little bit of pain you're actually encouraging uh instability uh actually encouraging uh instability uh for yourself so yeah so I would I would for yourself so yeah so I would I would Master the isometrics in different Master the isometrics in different positions to the point where you feel positions to the point where you feel really good and then I'd move to like really good and then I'd move to like smaller ranges of motion or to small smaller ranges of motion or to small range of motion larger ranges of motion range of motion larger ranges of motion and so on until you can do like full and so on until you can do like full range of motion but basically what we're range of motion but basically what we're asking your body to do is to create the asking your body to do is to create the joint stability that you had before with joint stability that you had before with muscle muscle so we don't have the you've got to tear so we don't have the you've got to tear in the uh on your hip and your labral in the uh on your hip and your labral tear so you're losing stability there so tear so you're losing stability there so you got to build it with the muscle once you got to build it with the muscle once you build it with the muscle then you're you build it with the muscle then you're you're go you're gonna do well I I gotta you're go you're gonna do well I I gotta say it's very funny to hear you saying

say it's very funny to hear you saying this because when I was doing this because when I was doing um single leg deadlines because I hear um single leg deadlines because I hear you guys talking about it you know you you guys talking about it you know you want to make it a little more difficult want to make it a little more difficult just doesn't save a life you're like let just doesn't save a life you're like let me give it a try so my left leg no me give it a try so my left leg no problem up and down my right leg I am problem up and down my right leg I am all over the place and of course that's all over the place and of course that's the bad head you know so I was I was a the bad head you know so I was I was a mess so it totally makes sense no you're mess so it totally makes sense no you're somebody that I would go isometrics then somebody that I would go isometrics then I'd go short ranges of motion uh like I'd go short ranges of motion uh like hip Bridges and then when you do like a hip Bridges and then when you do like a deadlift I would go bilateral and I deadlift I would go bilateral and I would not go unilateral until you feel would not go unilateral until you feel really comfortable because it's too much really comfortable because it's too much you're going to be asking your body to you're going to be asking your body to do too much oh I don't know if I do too much oh I don't know if I necessarily agree with that part I would necessarily agree with that part I would actually I would have you do single leg actually I would have you do single leg next to a squat rack and use it for to next to a squat rack and use it for to assist you with the stability you got to assist you with the stability you got to really be in a good position because really be in a good position because that absolutely you don't need to be that absolutely you don't need to be loaded you don't need to be loaded just loaded you don't need to be loaded just your body weight sure short range of your body weight sure short range of motion yeah and you can control the motion yeah and you can control the range of motion and you can inch further range of motion and you can inch further and you're adding just a little bit of a and you're adding just a little bit of a stability component and your safety of stability component and your safety of your hand is on that on that my point

your hand is on that on that my point with this is Joe is that you're you're with this is Joe is that you're you're this is a because that tear isn't going this is a because that tear isn't going to come back it's not going to heal to come back it's not going to heal right right unless you get surgery it's right right unless you get surgery it's not going anywhere so you got to be not going anywhere so you got to be really really really careful about really really really careful about bringing up about building tremendous bringing up about building tremendous stability stability um with just the muscles before you do um with just the muscles before you do anything that challenges stability a anything that challenges stability a little too much otherwise it's just little too much otherwise it's just gonna hurt yeah yeah I I appreciate that gonna hurt yeah yeah I I appreciate that and that that's that's all great advice and that that's that's all great advice and yeah I think I'll do that and I have and yeah I think I'll do that and I have symmetry so of course it's been sitting symmetry so of course it's been sitting in my backpack for quite some time in my backpack for quite some time because I'm going through all the other because I'm going through all the other programs but so what you do Joe with programs but so what you do Joe with symmetry is do the lower body uh symmetry is do the lower body uh isometric stuff for much longer you can isometric stuff for much longer you can progress with the upper body to the progress with the upper body to the program throughout the program but keep program throughout the program but keep doing the isometrics for the lower body doing the isometrics for the lower body until you feel ready to start to move to until you feel ready to start to move to a regular exercise ah great all right a regular exercise ah great all right all right I appreciate that and uh all right I appreciate that and uh listen I I want to thank you guys listen I I want to thank you guys um you know I I I'm used to be a um you know I I I'm used to be a personal trainer a long time ago and you personal trainer a long time ago and you know when I discovered your podcast from know when I discovered your podcast from from a work colleague uh he uh he turned

from a work colleague uh he uh he turned me on to you guys and ever since I'm me on to you guys and ever since I'm hooked and you know someone's it's hooked and you know someone's it's always one of the things where I hear always one of the things where I hear you guys preaching what you know you you guys preaching what you know you know your craft and everything else and know your craft and everything else and you know it's everything I learned 30 you know it's everything I learned 30 years ago and you hear you guys talk years ago and you hear you guys talk about it it's it's uh it's something about it it's it's uh it's something else so keep it what you're doing thank else so keep it what you're doing thank you really appreciate it appreciate it you really appreciate it appreciate it thank you thanks guys thank you thanks guys yeah have you guys ever worked with like yeah have you guys ever worked with like I'm sure you have I've had several and I'm sure you have I've had several and it really and your point at the it really and your point at the beginning is important because it if you beginning is important because it if you have like just a minor tear versus a have like just a minor tear versus a like a major tear it makes a big like a major tear it makes a big difference yeah like I've never had I've difference yeah like I've never had I've done probably like a dozen and they're done probably like a dozen and they're never the same and also how strong they never the same and also how strong they are in the hips with going into it are in the hips with going into it totally it's just like I remember when I totally it's just like I remember when I tore my MCL and the doctor was like I tore my MCL and the doctor was like I remember like going like man it doesn't remember like going like man it doesn't feel like I tore anything and they feel like I tore anything and they explain to us because you have so much explain to us because you have so much muscle that's what you need because muscle that's what you need because you've done such a good job of training you've done such a good job of training your legs that even though you lost this your legs that even though you lost this this ligament completely you don't need this ligament completely you don't need it and then you don't feel like you're it and then you don't feel like you're missing anything I have a resected like

missing anything I have a resected like I don't have an AC joint on my left side I don't have an AC joint on my left side essentially essentially um and my left shoulder is 95 of what it um and my left shoulder is 95 of what it was it'll never be 100 because that was it'll never be 100 because that joint's gone but because I've joint's gone but because I've strengthened the support system I'm like strengthened the support system I'm like I'm a lot I'm almost there and you know I'm a lot I'm almost there and you know this reminds me if you ever work with this reminds me if you ever work with someone who's had a dislocated shoulder someone who's had a dislocated shoulder several times and that shoulder capsule several times and that shoulder capsule is just like you gotta stabilize the is just like you gotta stabilize the [ __ ] yeah like muscle tension that's a that's the recipe totally our next color is Ali recipe totally our next color is Ali from North Carolina hi Ali how can we from North Carolina hi Ali how can we help hi guys thanks for taking my call help hi guys thanks for taking my call you got it all right you got it all right all right I'll jump into it all right I'll jump into it um um summer is about to start and I am in the summer is about to start and I am in the middle of symmetry middle of symmetry as soon as this ends I was planning on as soon as this ends I was planning on doing Maps anywhere because we'll be doing Maps anywhere because we'll be traveling a lot I'm running the kids to traveling a lot I'm running the kids to Camp all the time and Camp all the time and I might get to the gym once or twice a I might get to the gym once or twice a week week so so um I was gonna do maps anywhere but then um I was gonna do maps anywhere but then this week you guys just launched bands

this week you guys just launched bands and so my question is and so my question is should I still do maps anywhere or should I still do maps anywhere or should I do bands should I do bands um I don't want to work out seven days a um I don't want to work out seven days a week week and I know you said on the podcast and I know you said on the podcast banzas for seven days so I wanted your banzas for seven days so I wanted your opinion yeah you got the answer yep Maps opinion yeah you got the answer yep Maps anywhere yeah yeah anywhere yeah bands anywhere yeah yeah anywhere yeah bands is bands is a seven day a week program is bands is a seven day a week program and most effectively it's set up to be and most effectively it's set up to be that way uh anywhere is uh I mean that way uh anywhere is uh I mean anywhere you can scale up the intensity anywhere you can scale up the intensity too with with anywhere because we have too with with anywhere because we have intensity yeah we have ways of intensity yeah we have ways of increasing the intensity yeah increasing the intensity yeah intensifier so intensifier so um anywhere would be perfect for you um anywhere would be perfect for you absolutely perfect you know that program absolutely perfect you know that program during the lockdowns absolutely crushed during the lockdowns absolutely crushed and we got so many messages from people and we got so many messages from people who did not expect to get the results who did not expect to get the results they got with the program that doesn't they got with the program that doesn't use much equipment at all they thought use much equipment at all they thought it was like a maintenance program yeah it was like a maintenance program yeah yeah actually people actually received yeah actually people actually received quite a bit of muscle gain from it yeah quite a bit of muscle gain from it yeah so that's that's the program that you so that's that's the program that you need to do definitely great when need to do definitely great when symmetry is my first program I'm doing

symmetry is my first program I'm doing um after bands um after bands anywhere what um when I can get back to anywhere what um when I can get back to the gym what would you say you go to the gym what would you say you go to next yeah next yeah totally yeah 100 so the first program totally yeah 100 so the first program you ever got from us was symmetry yeah you ever got from us was symmetry yeah good choice yeah and honestly today I'm good choice yeah and honestly today I'm starting my first reverse and I've known starting my first reverse and I've known for years I needed to but um this is all for years I needed to but um this is all kind of just started this so I'm glad to kind of just started this so I'm glad to hear that I'll still make gains using oh hear that I'll still make gains using oh yeah anyway Ali you've never done a yeah anyway Ali you've never done a reverse Diet before reverse Diet before no no I've always tried to cut all the no no I've always tried to cut all the time how long have you been working out time how long have you been working out for for 20 years oh you're about to have your 20 years oh you're about to have your entire world life changing but I'm like entire world life changing but I'm like sure so I I can I can cut cut and then I sure so I I can I can cut cut and then I bench and then constantly bench and then constantly um so then I I've been doing I was doing um so then I I've been doing I was doing intermittent fasting and I heard on one intermittent fasting and I heard on one of your shows like the logic that it can of your shows like the logic that it can work for some people but if you're a work for some people but if you're a Binger how bad it is yeah Binger how bad it is yeah and so I have stopped that and then I

and so I have stopped that and then I finally finally I've you know I've been working out with I've you know I've been working out with trainers and all that and so I finally trainers and all that and so I finally decided to just stick with the program decided to just stick with the program so then I started Symmetry and I thought so then I started Symmetry and I thought if I'm going to do this in my head I if I'm going to do this in my head I know I need to reverse love it yeah I'm know I need to reverse love it yeah I'm doing it love it Ali I'm gonna say mine doing it love it Ali I'm gonna say mine says perfect I'm gonna send you the um says perfect I'm gonna send you the um intuitive nutrition guide uh as well intuitive nutrition guide uh as well because that's going to help you with because that's going to help you with some of your mindset around nutrition some of your mindset around nutrition okay I track when I'm when I'm on I'm on okay I track when I'm when I'm on I'm on and so um yeah you're doing the whole on and so um yeah you're doing the whole on the wagon off the wagon thing so this the wagon off the wagon thing so this will help you quite a bit so read it use will help you quite a bit so read it use some of the uh the mindfulness Tools in some of the uh the mindfulness Tools in there it'll really help you and if you there it'll really help you and if you do a good reverse diet do a good reverse diet with one of our programs literally your with one of our programs literally your mind is about to get blown you're about mind is about to get blown you're about to be like what the heck I I did not to be like what the heck I I did not know my body would respond focus on know my body would respond focus on getting strong that's the main thing I'm getting strong that's the main thing I'm excited I'm excited thanks get strong oh excited I'm excited thanks get strong oh look Doug put that up there too well you look Doug put that up there too well you know we also have a reverse diet guide know we also have a reverse diet guide who are you following for reverse diet who are you following for reverse diet do you have it all set up for yourself

do you have it all set up for yourself yeah on Avatar nutrition oh okay they're yeah on Avatar nutrition oh okay they're all right we'll see we'll send you our all right we'll see we'll send you our reverse guide too so yeah thank you yeah reverse guide too so yeah thank you yeah no problem thanks for calling in awesome no problem thanks for calling in awesome thanks y'all have a good one you too thanks y'all have a good one you too thank you thank you thank you thank you who's who's Avatar Avatar nutrition yeah who's who's Avatar Avatar nutrition yeah who's that it's uh who's that it's uh uh God it's someone we know I'm familiar uh God it's someone we know I'm familiar nah for blue aliens nah for blue aliens [Music] [Music] Mark Springer Mark Springer I think if you pull up their logo we I think if you pull up their logo we might recognize it I know the name maybe might recognize it I know the name maybe I'm doing what Justin said maybe I'm I'm doing what Justin said maybe I'm just thinking the movie yeah I've heard just thinking the movie yeah I've heard of that before yeah yeah oh all right of that before yeah yeah oh all right lane is a co-founder there you go I knew lane is a co-founder there you go I knew it was somebody okay yeah it was somebody okay yeah he was one of the things he founded it he was one of the things he founded it and I think he sold yeah that was in and I think he sold yeah that was in 2017 so he's that's what he sold 2017 so he's that's what he sold remember he got out of it and then he remember he got out of it and then he went to go do something else oh yeah went to go do something else oh yeah yeah yeah but they're legit if Lane yeah yeah but they're legit if Lane founded them sure they got then they founded them sure they got then they know what they're doing so our next know what they're doing so our next caller is Ron from Florida Ron what's

caller is Ron from Florida Ron what's happening man how can we help you hey happening man how can we help you hey what's up guys I'm happy to be here it's what's up guys I'm happy to be here it's uh it's truly an honor you guys provide uh it's truly an honor you guys provide amazing content thanks brother thanks amazing content thanks brother thanks yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah um so just a little background jump um so just a little background jump right into my question here uh 29 been right into my question here uh 29 been Lifting for about 10 years or so uh I Lifting for about 10 years or so uh I put on a decent amount of muscle what I put on a decent amount of muscle what I consider consider um and now I mean I've run anabolic um and now I mean I've run anabolic twice I ran uh antibiotic Advance which twice I ran uh antibiotic Advance which was amazing uh and I'm running anabolic was amazing uh and I'm running anabolic for the second time now for the second time now and I'm just curious at what point and I'm just curious at what point should if you're trying to cut so I'm at should if you're trying to cut so I'm at about 14 body fat would like to get down about 14 body fat would like to get down to 10 you know at what point should you to 10 you know at what point should you introduce cardio how much should you do introduce cardio how much should you do you know are you should you do more hit you know are you should you do more hit training or steady state cardio training or steady state cardio um kind of my question revolves around I um kind of my question revolves around I understand y'all's uh understand y'all's uh um the um the I guess I understand the I guess I understand the muscle building burning metabolism or muscle building burning metabolism or burning fat you know high metabolism

burning fat you know high metabolism more muscle you have I understand that more muscle you have I understand that but at what point do you start to cut but at what point do you start to cut and kind of you know start to bring it and kind of you know start to bring it around if you look at never do cardio to around if you look at never do cardio to cut now that doesn't mean don't do cut now that doesn't mean don't do cardio do cardio for the health benefits cardio do cardio for the health benefits but if you want to cut that comes from but if you want to cut that comes from diet people who use cardio to cut are diet people who use cardio to cut are are not using it uh are not it's not are not using it uh are not it's not effective even people who compete on effective even people who compete on stage ideally you use it at the very end stage ideally you use it at the very end because your calories are already so low because your calories are already so low and you're so depleted and you're just and you're so depleted and you're just trying to squeeze off just a bit more trying to squeeze off just a bit more body fat but where's your calorie intake body fat but where's your calorie intake right now right now it's about 2500 okay and you're 167 is it's about 2500 okay and you're 167 is that right that right uh yeah you have any idea how many steps uh yeah you have any idea how many steps you take a day you take a day I I just got a fitness tracker maybe I I just got a fitness tracker maybe about a couple weeks ago it's sitting about a couple weeks ago it's sitting right around 8 000 steps on average okay right around 8 000 steps on average okay so this is how I decide if I'm going to so this is how I decide if I'm going to introduce cardio first of all I want to introduce cardio first of all I want to do most of my leaning out and cutting do most of my leaning out and cutting through through diet first so cutting through through diet first so cutting back on calories and then for me like my back on calories and then for me like my numbers I never get lower than about 22

numbers I never get lower than about 22 2300 calories now I'm a bigger guy so 2300 calories now I'm a bigger guy so that's my number so maybe yours is more that's my number so maybe yours is more like 1900 or 2000 I never want to go like 1900 or 2000 I never want to go much lower than that I just don't want much lower than that I just don't want to be eating that low plus I need a to be eating that low plus I need a certain amount of nutrients to maintain certain amount of nutrients to maintain the muscle mass of my body so I have the muscle mass of my body so I have that's kind of my my number I don't want that's kind of my my number I don't want to go lower than that then I look at my to go lower than that then I look at my steps and I go okay if I'm taking 8 000 steps and I go okay if I'm taking 8 000 steps right now and I want to continue steps right now and I want to continue on next week my goal is that every on next week my goal is that every single day I'm going to hit 10 000 steps single day I'm going to hit 10 000 steps and the next week after that I'm like and the next week after that I'm like okay every day I'm gonna hit 12 000 okay every day I'm gonna hit 12 000 steps through walking just activity steps through walking just activity throughout the day then it comes to a throughout the day then it comes to a point when I and for me it's around 16 point when I and for me it's around 16 000 or so where it's really hard for me 000 or so where it's really hard for me to just add walks in the day to get to just add walks in the day to get sixteen Thousand Steps so now I I sixteen Thousand Steps so now I I actively pursue you know a half hour or actively pursue you know a half hour or 45 minutes on the treadmill in addition 45 minutes on the treadmill in addition to my activity and it's low low you know to my activity and it's low low you know uh list cardio so low intensity not uh list cardio so low intensity not going hard at all just really again going hard at all just really again paying attention to steps I'm trying to

paying attention to steps I'm trying to hit that 16 000 steps and so that's how hit that 16 000 steps and so that's how I introduce cardio it's much easier to I introduce cardio it's much easier to reverse out of that once I hit my lean reverse out of that once I hit my lean point that I want to be at so I'm not point that I want to be at so I'm not forced with this hour of intense cardio forced with this hour of intense cardio twice a day like some of these twice a day like some of these competitors do so that's a much better competitors do so that's a much better strategy Because unless you want to do strategy Because unless you want to do cardio continually what will happen is cardio continually what will happen is if you do it to get down to your 10 if you do it to get down to your 10 percent and you're like cool I'm at 10 percent and you're like cool I'm at 10 and then you completely cut out cut it and then you completely cut out cut it out you're going to put all the weight out you're going to put all the weight right back on yeah but Adam I want to right back on yeah but Adam I want to ask you this because you did cardio when ask you this because you did cardio when you competed right and you've already you competed right and you've already gotten down to at that point gotten down to at that point you know four percent body fat or three you know four percent body fat or three percent body fat so you know Ron you're percent body fat so you know Ron you're at 14 body fat I mean unless you want to at 14 body fat I mean unless you want to get on stage and you're getting down to get on stage and you're getting down to the low singles or you know mid single the low singles or you know mid single digit body fat percentage digit body fat percentage I don't think cardio cardio is not a I don't think cardio cardio is not a great way to to lean out it's just a great way to to lean out it's just a it's a healthy way to exercise one of it's a healthy way to exercise one of the side effects is sometimes you get the side effects is sometimes you get leaner but your best bet is to do this leaner but your best bet is to do this with diet and strength training that's with diet and strength training that's what's going to get you lean in the most

what's going to get you lean in the most sustainable most effective way possible sustainable most effective way possible you could also I so you you went you could also I so you you went anabolic you went anabolic Advance now anabolic you went anabolic Advance now your backhand a ball again I might put your backhand a ball again I might put you on performance you on performance you do a pro a program like that that's you do a pro a program like that that's more novel you also have a a phase in more novel you also have a a phase in there uh where you have endurance so there uh where you have endurance so you're definitely going to burn more you're definitely going to burn more calories calories yeah you're doing different exercises yeah you're doing different exercises you're not that aren't traditional so you're not that aren't traditional so all that stimulus is going to end up all that stimulus is going to end up utilizing more energy which is going to utilizing more energy which is going to result in you leaning out so uh that's result in you leaning out so uh that's also a great strike so cutting your also a great strike so cutting your calories a little bit more following a calories a little bit more following a different program focusing on steps you different program focusing on steps you may never have to even do cardio and may never have to even do cardio and easily get down from 14 to 10 percent easily get down from 14 to 10 percent okay so all right well that was going to okay so all right well that was going to be my next question then so at what be my next question then so at what point point so if you want to get into the the low so if you want to get into the the low single digits or even even say high single digits or even even say high single digits at that point you need to single digits at that point you need to introduce cardio you know you don't introduce cardio you know you don't necessarily ever need to you could get necessarily ever need to you could get down so okay you uh you carrying

down so okay you uh you carrying yourself at 14 when I was uh off uh when yourself at 14 when I was uh off uh when I was not on in prep I was off season I was not on in prep I was off season right so and when I was in my phase of right so and when I was in my phase of putting size on I actually maintained putting size on I actually maintained around 10 body fat maybe 11 at the around 10 body fat maybe 11 at the highest when I was uh competing and then highest when I was uh competing and then I would prep for a show show prep would I would prep for a show show prep would only be about six to eight weeks for me only be about six to eight weeks for me because I kept myself in that nine to because I kept myself in that nine to ten percent range and I could drop about ten percent range and I could drop about a percent every single week just through a percent every single week just through reducing calories and increasing my reducing calories and increasing my steps throughout my day and then maybe steps throughout my day and then maybe the final two weeks or so when I'm the final two weeks or so when I'm assessing my body and I'm getting ready assessing my body and I'm getting ready to be on stage in two weeks I would use to be on stage in two weeks I would use cardio because I realized like oh I need cardio because I realized like oh I need to get a little bit leaner before I'm to get a little bit leaner before I'm but I mean I would get all the way down but I mean I would get all the way down to to six sub six percent which is you know six sub six percent which is you know stage physiques for a lot of people stage physiques for a lot of people without even doing any cardio just by without even doing any cardio just by walking and diet and then your cardio walking and diet and then your cardio was was what was it so just well we're was was what was it so just well we're walking they're running or yeah yeah walking they're running or yeah yeah mostly walking uh I never had to do

mostly walking uh I never had to do intense cardio there was no no point I intense cardio there was no no point I would never want to push my body with would never want to push my body with intense cardio in a calorie deficit intense cardio in a calorie deficit because it sends a signal to the body to because it sends a signal to the body to Pare down muscle if you're doing Pare down muscle if you're doing intensive cardio while also in a calorie intensive cardio while also in a calorie deficit holding on to muscle is not deficit holding on to muscle is not almost impossible yeah what happens and almost impossible yeah what happens and I'm on anabolic steroids it's still your I'm on anabolic steroids it's still your body is gonna your body is getting the body is gonna your body is getting the signal that oh I'm feeding it less and signal that oh I'm feeding it less and it's asking me to do endurance we don't it's asking me to do endurance we don't need a lot of muscle so all I would do need a lot of muscle so all I would do is walk it'd be an incline walk at the is walk it'd be an incline walk at the highest bit of intensity if I'm doing highest bit of intensity if I'm doing any sort of like formal cardio the rest any sort of like formal cardio the rest was just done in steps what happens to a was just done in steps what happens to a lot of people is they'll do the cardio lot of people is they'll do the cardio they'll see the scale weight go down they'll see the scale weight go down yeah but their body fat percentage does yeah but their body fat percentage does not go down because they've lost muscle not go down because they've lost muscle so if you just want to lose you know go so if you just want to lose you know go down in size down in size then I would say that's fine but if then I would say that's fine but if you're trying to get lean and maintain you're trying to get lean and maintain muscle I mean again I'm gonna just go muscle I mean again I'm gonna just go back to what I said earlier cardio is a back to what I said earlier cardio is a great way to build stamina endurance it great way to build stamina endurance it can be very healthy just to increase

can be very healthy just to increase activity I'm not anti-cardio it's just activity I'm not anti-cardio it's just people who use it for the for something people who use it for the for something that it's not great at like oh I just that it's not great at like oh I just want to get lean it's not a great way to want to get lean it's not a great way to get lean great way to get lean is get lean great way to get lean is strength train strength train and diet that's the way that you get and diet that's the way that you get lean and the only reason why competitors lean and the only reason why competitors use cardio is because they exhaust all use cardio is because they exhaust all methods you're looking at a very extreme methods you're looking at a very extreme situation where every calories counted situation where every calories counted every drop of water is counted their every drop of water is counted their volume is equated they're just like at volume is equated they're just like at the very end but I mean the average the very end but I mean the average person no now I think they should do person no now I think they should do cardio for health I think it's good for cardio for health I think it's good for you but you're talking about just you but you're talking about just getting leaner in which case I'd say no getting leaner in which case I'd say no don't don't do don't do any don't worry don't don't do don't do any don't worry about it yeah you just gotta you're just about it yeah you just gotta you're just gonna keep in mind what the signal gonna keep in mind what the signal you're sending the body by doing cardio you're sending the body by doing cardio while also cutting calories while also cutting calories I mean you want to know a real real I mean you want to know a real real quick way to lose muscle that's the quick way to lose muscle that's the fastest is that's that's the recipe fastest is that's that's the recipe right there high intensity cardio for right there high intensity cardio for long duration in addition to low long duration in addition to low calories is the fastest way to reduce calories is the fastest way to reduce muscle mass and so I'm trying my best to

muscle mass and so I'm trying my best to manipulate my program reduce calories manipulate my program reduce calories and uh create more movement like walking and uh create more movement like walking throughout the day as much as I can throughout the day as much as I can before ever having to use cardio and if before ever having to use cardio and if I can do it without ever doing that I I can do it without ever doing that I won't and now the only reason why it won't and now the only reason why it when you get down to like four or five when you get down to like four or five percent that's it gets crazy it gets percent that's it gets crazy it gets really difficult to shred every last bit really difficult to shred every last bit of body fat on you so that extra push on of body fat on you so that extra push on cardio kind of makes sense but unless cardio kind of makes sense but unless you're getting on stage you could get you're getting on stage you could get down to six percent body fat and never down to six percent body fat and never do formal cardio at all okay all right do formal cardio at all okay all right yeah yeah because I I've ran like I said yeah yeah because I I've ran like I said that program I've seen tremendous that program I've seen tremendous results from it and you know I was one results from it and you know I was one of those that just kind of did the Bro of those that just kind of did the Bro split you know never did legs and then I split you know never did legs and then I started doing your your programs started doing your your programs phenomenal programs by the way phenomenal programs by the way um so then I just decided all right well um so then I just decided all right well two days a week for anabolic you know two days a week for anabolic you know maybe I'll incorporate some running maybe I'll incorporate some running just to kind of I guess just to kind of I guess amplify the

amplify the the the burn but that makes sense I mean the the burn but that makes sense I mean I understand what y'all are saying I I understand what y'all are saying I just I was curious if you could just I was curious if you could incorporate it into a cut but you know incorporate it into a cut but you know well could and and most optimal are two well could and and most optimal are two different things could you yes is it different things could you yes is it most optimal no not if your goal is to most optimal no not if your goal is to hang on to as much muscle as possible hang on to as much muscle as possible and let me tell you what the the people and let me tell you what the the people that will try and counter this argument that will try and counter this argument with me that are the science nerds the with me that are the science nerds the biggest benefit to this this aspect of biggest benefit to this this aspect of shredding out or building muscle that shredding out or building muscle that cardio makes sense is when you it cardio makes sense is when you it hinders your workouts so if you can't do hinders your workouts so if you can't do you know say sets of 15 in squats and you know say sets of 15 in squats and you're gassed cardiovascularly and your you're gassed cardiovascularly and your muscles aren't fatigued then there's muscles aren't fatigued then there's huge value in building endurance huge value in building endurance building endurance in order to push your building endurance in order to push your body and the weights like that but if body and the weights like that but if you've got pretty good endurance like you've got pretty good endurance like that and you could say do 20 reps of that and you could say do 20 reps of squats with good weight and stuff like squats with good weight and stuff like that and it's your legs that give out that and it's your legs that give out before your your heart gives out on you before your your heart gives out on you meaning you get out of breath type of meaning you get out of breath type of deal then you're probably pretty damn deal then you're probably pretty damn good as far as your your cardiovascular

good as far as your your cardiovascular endurance you you people think that you endurance you you people think that you have to get on this like formal have to get on this like formal treadmill to to be doing something treadmill to to be doing something that's strengthening the heart you do that's strengthening the heart you do some supersets or 20 sets of squats and some supersets or 20 sets of squats and you're gonna build some pretty damn good you're gonna build some pretty damn good cardiovascular endurance you know and I cardiovascular endurance you know and I would challenge anybody that doesn't would challenge anybody that doesn't believe that to go try that and do that believe that to go try that and do that and so and that's a much better strategy and so and that's a much better strategy to leaning out while also maintaining to leaning out while also maintaining muscles doing 20 sets of 20 reps of muscles doing 20 sets of 20 reps of squats you're going to get those squats you're going to get those benefits the cardiovascular benefits benefits the cardiovascular benefits while also hanging on to more muscle while also hanging on to more muscle that way versus you taking that same that way versus you taking that same period of time and getting on a period of time and getting on a treadmill and going for runs does that treadmill and going for runs does that make sense yeah of course okay okay all make sense yeah of course okay okay all right right um I just want to say two things number um I just want to say two things number one uh I listen to other podcasts and one uh I listen to other podcasts and this is a shout out to Doug the the uh this is a shout out to Doug the the uh the vocals and the the Acoustics in your the vocals and the the Acoustics in your studio are phenomenal right it's hard to studio are phenomenal right it's hard to listen to another podcast second thing listen to another podcast second thing um there was like an Aussie guy on this

um there was like an Aussie guy on this show like two weeks ago and he mentioned show like two weeks ago and he mentioned something about how you guys provide something about how you guys provide like tremendous content about being like tremendous content about being fathers and stuff like that and I just fathers and stuff like that and I just want to second that he uh he provided a want to second that he uh he provided a really nice comment to you guys and yeah really nice comment to you guys and yeah you guys do a really good job kind of you guys do a really good job kind of you know explaining fatherhood and you you know explaining fatherhood and you know being you know almost father know being you know almost father figures to everybody else that are not figures to everybody else that are not you know in this in this space so yeah you know in this in this space so yeah man you guys are doing great thank you man you guys are doing great thank you that's actually one of our favorite that's actually one of our favorite compliments to hear that I appreciate compliments to hear that I appreciate that yeah yeah thanks guys hey wait wait that yeah yeah thanks guys hey wait wait did you do you not have Maps performance did you do you not have Maps performance uh no I've no I'm gonna have Doug send uh no I've no I'm gonna have Doug send that to you because that's I think that to you because that's I think that's that would be a great program for that's that would be a great program for you also so let's add that to you great you also so let's add that to you great all right thanks guys you got it all right thanks guys you got it appreciate it appreciate it that this is where we get the the you that this is where we get the the you know this this labeling that 100 in the know this this labeling that 100 in the comments uh you'll have some fun some comments uh you'll have some fun some morons right listen cardio is good for morons right listen cardio is good for you you should do some cardio it's you you should do some cardio it's healthy activity is good for you you healthy activity is good for you you should do that kind of activity it's should do that kind of activity it's good for you yeah it's it's a terrible good for you yeah it's it's a terrible way to get lean it is not a great

way to get lean it is not a great strategy to get lean not a fat burning strategy to get lean not a fat burning button looking at your diet and doing button looking at your diet and doing strength training is a much more strength training is a much more effective way of of losing just pure effective way of of losing just pure body fat that's it so if you're doing body fat that's it so if you're doing cardio for the sake of trying to lose cardio for the sake of trying to lose body fat that's I mean Can it can you body fat that's I mean Can it can you use it that way you can but it's not a use it that way you can but it's not a very effective approach doesn't work very effective approach doesn't work very well and it often results in in very well and it often results in in muscle loss because people of the way muscle loss because people of the way they abuse it or utilize it so that's they abuse it or utilize it so that's just it that's just the bottom line so just it that's just the bottom line so the question was should I do I need to the question was should I do I need to do cardio get lean now and it's probably do cardio get lean now and it's probably not even the it's and it's also not the not even the it's and it's also not the most effective way our next color is TJ most effective way our next color is TJ from Utah TJ what's happening how can we from Utah TJ what's happening how can we help you hey not much what about you help you hey not much what about you guys pretty good man yeah chilling cool guys pretty good man yeah chilling cool hey thanks for taking my question and uh hey thanks for taking my question and uh I appreciate all the content that you I appreciate all the content that you guys guys put out for us put out for us um um so I'll just read my questions so I can so I'll just read my questions so I can be concise be concise I'm 42 year old I'm 42 years old been I'm 42 year old I'm 42 years old been consistently Lifting for about two and a

consistently Lifting for about two and a half years half years I've been pretty active my life though I've been pretty active my life though I've ran I've ran four maps program with the last one four maps program with the last one being symmetry being symmetry and it seems like most Maps programs and it seems like most Maps programs have a heavy lifting phase kind of heavy have a heavy lifting phase kind of heavy lifting low rep phase lifting low rep phase it seems like or when I lift heavy on it seems like or when I lift heavy on the bench my right shoulder hurts when I the bench my right shoulder hurts when I lift heavy doing squats and deadlifts my lift heavy doing squats and deadlifts my back tends to hurt usually happens back tends to hurt usually happens happens at the very beginning of the happens at the very beginning of the phase and so I can't really lift heavy phase and so I can't really lift heavy for the remaining of the phase for the remaining of the phase I recorded myself lifting I can't see I recorded myself lifting I can't see any obvious any obvious anything that's anything that's um obviously wrong with my form uh and um obviously wrong with my form uh and then I do two to three warm-up sets then I do two to three warm-up sets before these heavy lifting before these heavy lifting and so I'm just wondering how should I and so I'm just wondering how should I approach these heavy lifting phases when approach these heavy lifting phases when it just seems to hurt me when you're it just seems to hurt me when you're when your low back hurts from your

when your low back hurts from your squats is it the center of your back is squats is it the center of your back is it the opposite side of your shoulder or it the opposite side of your shoulder or same side same side it is the just kind of right in the it is the just kind of right in the middle oh it's dead it's dead in the middle oh it's dead it's dead in the middle yeah TJ middle yeah TJ um most people when they go into a heavy um most people when they go into a heavy or low rep training phase the limiting or low rep training phase the limiting factor is whether or not they can factor is whether or not they can perform perform the rep or whether or not they can the rep or whether or not they can perform the rep and what they perceive perform the rep and what they perceive to be good form there's nothing wrong to be good form there's nothing wrong with that but other limiting factors with that but other limiting factors include pain include pain so you're going too heavy you're lifting so you're going too heavy you're lifting heavier than your body is allowing you heavier than your body is allowing you to lift with enough stability to prevent to lift with enough stability to prevent these aches and pains so I would suggest these aches and pains so I would suggest that when you go into these heavy phases that when you go into these heavy phases you drop the weight by 25 it's it's just you drop the weight by 25 it's it's just too heavy for your body at the moment too heavy for your body at the moment now as you practice this you should be now as you practice this you should be getting you should be able to go heavier getting you should be able to go heavier as you get better but I would go lighter as you get better but I would go lighter than you currently are like if I do an than you currently are like if I do an exercise and I feel like I could do more exercise and I feel like I could do more reps but I hurt I know I can't do more

reps but I hurt I know I can't do more reps in fact I'm doing too much weight reps in fact I'm doing too much weight already so you need to go lighter than already so you need to go lighter than you currently are find a way that where you currently are find a way that where you can do the lower reps and you don't you can do the lower reps and you don't hurt and this may mean or probably what hurt and this may mean or probably what it means is the intensity is much much it means is the intensity is much much lower you may do five reps with the lower you may do five reps with the weight that you feel like you could do weight that you feel like you could do eight reps with or ten reps but that's eight reps with or ten reps but that's the right way for you for those low rep the right way for you for those low rep phases and that's how you need to treat phases and that's how you need to treat them TJ are you in the Forum them TJ are you in the Forum yes I am I mean I would love to see a yes I am I mean I would love to see a video uh of your squats front front and video uh of your squats front front and side uh okay uh that would that would side uh okay uh that would that would give us some better better perspective give us some better better perspective because there could be something that because there could be something that one of us sees right sometimes people one of us sees right sometimes people will feel like they don't notice will feel like they don't notice anything or see anything and one of us anything or see anything and one of us will quickly see something like the your will quickly see something like the your foot on one side is you know externally foot on one side is you know externally rotating or pronating or your right rotating or pronating or your right shoulder is is more forward than your shoulder is is more forward than your left shoulder and so you know those left shoulder and so you know those little those little and those little little those little and those little imbalances like that run up the kinetic imbalances like that run up the kinetic chain and a lot of times like you think

chain and a lot of times like you think low back and so you're so focused on the low back and so you're so focused on the back area or something but it's stemming back area or something but it's stemming all the way from your foot where it's all the way from your foot where it's dimming all the way from your upper back dimming all the way from your upper back and like so there could be areas in your and like so there could be areas in your in your movement patterns that are off in your movement patterns that are off that are causing these these chronic that are causing these these chronic issues that we we need to address too so issues that we we need to address too so right any City went through symmetry all right any City went through symmetry all the way and was there wasn't any glaring the way and was there wasn't any glaring kind of imbalance or anything stability kind of imbalance or anything stability wise that kind of have you know pointed wise that kind of have you know pointed out some attention for you you just kind out some attention for you you just kind of went to all the way through and and of went to all the way through and and everything was okay everything was okay yeah during the process yeah during the process um um I didn't feel any I didn't feel any pain I mean the the barbell bench hurts pain I mean the the barbell bench hurts my shoulder more than the dumbbells uh my shoulder more than the dumbbells uh dumbbells I'll get a little bit of pain dumbbells I'll get a little bit of pain but it's usually after 24 hours uh it's but it's usually after 24 hours uh it's gone so the dumbbells felt pretty good gone so the dumbbells felt pretty good um it really though when I ended um it really though when I ended Cemetery in the last phase I was I

Cemetery in the last phase I was I thought I was gearing up that I could thought I was gearing up that I could just be powerful and I felt you know just be powerful and I felt you know that I was strong and the first squat I that I was strong and the first squat I thought okay I could take this weight thought okay I could take this weight and actually I'm not I'm not squatting and actually I'm not I'm not squatting that much weight for my size and so that much weight for my size and so um the first rep was like ow that this um the first rep was like ow that this hurt and so I just scaled it back and I hurt and so I just scaled it back and I did the same thing with the the bench I did the same thing with the the bench I thought this is what I could do and I thought this is what I could do and I did it and it just hurt my shoulder yeah did it and it just hurt my shoulder yeah I want to see TJ don't don't make the I want to see TJ don't don't make the mistake of saying this is not enough mistake of saying this is not enough this is not a lot of weight because this is not a lot of weight because whatever whatever the weight is if it's whatever whatever the weight is if it's causing um pain it's not the right causing um pain it's not the right weight and oftentimes how long you been weight and oftentimes how long you been working out you've been doing this for a working out you've been doing this for a long time two years no about two and a long time two years no about two and a half years consistently yeah and then half years consistently yeah and then before that were you an athlete before that were you an athlete yes yeah what'd you play yes yeah what'd you play so I I wrestled and played baseball and so I I wrestled and played baseball and then I've been playing then I've been playing old man softball for the last 20 years I old man softball for the last 20 years I bet I bet you've got some serious

bet I bet you've got some serious forward shoulder on your right right forward shoulder on your right right side on one side that you're a forward side on one side that you're a forward shoulder shoulder even that that's what makes sense while even that that's what makes sense while you're you hurt when you bench so here's you're you hurt when you bench so here's I'm gonna have Doug send you Maps Prime I'm gonna have Doug send you Maps Prime do you not have that do you have Prime do you not have that do you have Prime yet I I do have Prime and I use it every yet I I do have Prime and I use it every once in a while okay so I want I want once in a while okay so I want I want you to be religious about doing Zone one you to be religious about doing Zone one okay the Zone one wall test and I really okay the Zone one wall test and I really and just do this for me the next time and just do this for me the next time you go to do bench you go to do bench put a lot of energy and effort into that put a lot of energy and effort into that like don't just kind of go through the like don't just kind of go through the motions like really intensify that zone motions like really intensify that zone one before and spend an extra five ten one before and spend an extra five ten minutes on that and then go do your minutes on that and then go do your bench and and see if you notice a bench and and see if you notice a significant difference in how your bench significant difference in how your bench feels on your shoulder I I am guessing feels on your shoulder I I am guessing every emphasis on that external rotation every emphasis on that external rotation it's really squeeze into it and connect it's really squeeze into it and connect before you bench and see what that does before you bench and see what that does yeah I asked you if you're an athlete yeah I asked you if you're an athlete because uh it's really it's really because uh it's really it's really challenging when you have a background challenging when you have a background in athletics especially you said in athletics especially you said wrestling especially wrestling because I

wrestling especially wrestling because I mean you know this when you when you mean you know this when you when you train as a wrestler like you what makes train as a wrestler like you what makes you succeed is your ability to just go you succeed is your ability to just go through suffer grueling like crazy through suffer grueling like crazy ridiculous workouts and you've done ridiculous workouts and you've done you've done a lot of exercises you might you've done a lot of exercises you might not have lifted weights but you did not have lifted weights but you did push-ups and just all kinds of movements push-ups and just all kinds of movements and so you've got you've got movement and so you've got you've got movement patterns that are so ingrained patterns that are so ingrained in you and you have this this uh a in you and you have this this uh a different relationship with pain and different relationship with pain and grueling struggle that it's gonna be grueling struggle that it's gonna be really hard for you to gauge kind of really hard for you to gauge kind of what you're doing what's going on like what you're doing what's going on like your movement patterns may be so your movement patterns may be so ingrained that you're like oh this ingrained that you're like oh this feeling this looks perfect what's going feeling this looks perfect what's going on and there's nothing wrong with on and there's nothing wrong with sticking with dumbbells for a while how sticking with dumbbells for a while how how's that going in terms of your bench how's that going in terms of your bench and and you know maybe like being more and and you know maybe like being more on in on the incline bench for instance on in on the incline bench for instance just to kind of place you in better just to kind of place you in better position biomechanically position biomechanically yeah I uh yeah I uh dumbbells are a little easier on my dumbbells are a little easier on my shoulders uh or specifically my rights shoulders uh or specifically my rights um um so yeah I could you know focus more on

so yeah I could you know focus more on that with the with the squatting and the that with the with the squatting and the deadlift so I don't use a belt you guys deadlift so I don't use a belt you guys talk about not using a belt and so I talk about not using a belt and so I don't don't is that something that I should is that something that I should implement or just go lighter no that's implement or just go lighter no that's not going to do it that's a Band-Aid not going to do it that's a Band-Aid yeah all right so look TJ uh uh how much yeah all right so look TJ uh uh how much weight would you use let's say on a five weight would you use let's say on a five by five deadlift by five deadlift so I would be like so I would be like 325 okay here's what I want you to do 325 okay here's what I want you to do let's go 225 yeah that's good weight let's go 225 yeah that's good weight dude go 225 and slow the Reps down dude go 225 and slow the Reps down squeeze through the through the range of squeeze through the through the range of motion and make that 225 five reps feel motion and make that 225 five reps feel hard that's what I mean by going lighter hard that's what I mean by going lighter okay so take whatever your weight is go okay so take whatever your weight is go much lighter and then make it feel much lighter and then make it feel heavier by slowing the rep down by heavier by slowing the rep down by squeezing by Contracting uh through the squeezing by Contracting uh through the through the the range of motion so you through the the range of motion so you want to make your a much lighter weight want to make your a much lighter weight hard even more muscle tension than hard even more muscle tension than you're used to so just especially if

you're used to so just especially if we're addressing too there might be like we're addressing too there might be like a portion of the the wrap down towards a portion of the the wrap down towards the bottom where you disconnect a little the bottom where you disconnect a little bit from your core bracing bit from your core bracing um and and this might be like just one um and and this might be like just one of those things where you use momentum a of those things where you use momentum a lot of times too when we get down in the lot of times too when we get down in the hole we want to spring back up hole we want to spring back up um so to to do that intentionally and um so to to do that intentionally and squeeze and be very slow and again that squeeze and be very slow and again that lighter weight so the whole rep is just lighter weight so the whole rep is just this this big muscle tension exercise I this this big muscle tension exercise I mean I feel like TJ if you're willing to mean I feel like TJ if you're willing to do it okay and put the videos up on the do it okay and put the videos up on the Forum uh of your big lifts deadlift Forum uh of your big lifts deadlift squat bench press I have a feeling that squat bench press I have a feeling that we're going to be able to see more into we're going to be able to see more into what's going on I think we can be more what's going on I think we can be more specific with probably by seeing your specific with probably by seeing your movement I've got a pre I mean the fact movement I've got a pre I mean the fact that you were a wrestler and a baseball that you were a wrestler and a baseball player for most of my athletes I had Mo player for most of my athletes I had Mo were the most imbalanced clients oh my were the most imbalanced clients oh my God every every sport because you have God every every sport because you have to you have to think that okay when you to you have to think that okay when you played baseball you always if you're played baseball you always if you're right-handed you always throw with your

right-handed you always throw with your right hand and you throw right way right hand and you throw right way harder with that side that creates and harder with that side that creates and that torque and twist even even that torque and twist even even wrestling I bet your takedowns are with wrestling I bet your takedowns are with one leg like you probably led with one one leg like you probably led with one right and you're always rolled forward right and you're always rolled forward when you're right so and you do that for when you're right so and you do that for years and for hundreds and thousands of years and for hundreds and thousands of reps you get so good at it your body reps you get so good at it your body forms and shapes that way and then you forms and shapes that way and then you go do something where I want you to be go do something where I want you to be like mechanical in a squad chest up like mechanical in a squad chest up shoulders back and this in this perfect shoulders back and this in this perfect line you're you're not going to be line you're you're not going to be you're going to be off a tiny bit and so you're going to be off a tiny bit and so there's I think if I see every see you there's I think if I see every see you move I think we're going to be able to move I think we're going to be able to give you imagine there may be an give you imagine there may be an asymmetrical shift there that would be asymmetrical shift there that would be my guess yeah but you know I mean again my guess yeah but you know I mean again I'll defer back to what I said like I I'll defer back to what I said like I can make a weight that's 30 percent can make a weight that's 30 percent lighter than what I can normally do feel lighter than what I can normally do feel just as heavy I know but you first need just as heavy I know but you first need to first break down what's going on so to first break down what's going on so you can cue of course right so let's see you can cue of course right so let's see but my point with this is the low it's but my point with this is the low it's not the Low Reps it's not the low right not the Low Reps it's not the low right yeah it's not the low right box it's not yeah it's not the low right box it's not the exercise it's how you move and so the exercise it's how you move and so lightening it up slowing it down is

lightening it up slowing it down is definitely the first step but then the definitely the first step but then the next step is us getting to the bottom of next step is us getting to the bottom of where the breakdown is and then teaching where the breakdown is and then teaching you the cue that you need like your your you the cue that you need like your your Q may be oh I need you to have your head Q may be oh I need you to have your head up more or oh what's happening is your up more or oh what's happening is your right shoulder is rolling forward so I right shoulder is rolling forward so I really need you to put emphasis on really need you to put emphasis on squeezing your shoulder blades when you squeezing your shoulder blades when you do that bench press like if I see the do that bench press like if I see the movement and I'll have a better a better movement and I'll have a better a better advice on how to cue you but yes sounds advice on how to cue you but yes sounds right like it's not the heavy squats right like it's not the heavy squats it's that you were not moving correctly it's that you were not moving correctly through them and that's what's causing through them and that's what's causing it and when you go and when you go heavy it and when you go and when you go heavy to a weight that you have that you to a weight that you have that you struggle lifting because that's what you struggle lifting because that's what you think supposed to do and oftentimes it think supposed to do and oftentimes it is than any deviation any imbalance any is than any deviation any imbalance any lack of stability just gets closes it lack of stability just gets closes it super blown up it gets super exposed I super blown up it gets super exposed I mean you deadlift 320 pounds and if mean you deadlift 320 pounds and if you're off a little bit it's it's not you're off a little bit it's it's not going to feel good now you go down to going to feel good now you go down to 225 and you slow the rep down and you 225 and you slow the rep down and you make it feel heavy make it feel heavy um you're not going to run into the same um you're not going to run into the same problems typically so I mean this is the

problems typically so I mean this is the most valuable part I think of our Forum most valuable part I think of our Forum in my opinion I think the the clients in my opinion I think the the clients that I mean because this is the toughest that I mean because this is the toughest part of our job of the communicating on part of our job of the communicating on this podcast we're just speculating yeah this podcast we're just speculating yeah we're over here guessing with our we're over here guessing with our experience what we see in most people experience what we see in most people but it's like you could be totally but it's like you could be totally different and so having and then we have different and so having and then we have people in there like Dr Brink who are people in there like Dr Brink who are their movement Specialists like that is their movement Specialists like that is like his Forte breaking down like Chris like his Forte breaking down like Chris and you know he'll be able to take it to and you know he'll be able to take it to a whole other level than we will so if a whole other level than we will so if you tag us and and Justin Brink uh to you tag us and and Justin Brink uh to see you move uh we're gonna give you see you move uh we're gonna give you much better insight and we'll send you much better insight and we'll send you if you don't have Prime we'll send that if you don't have Prime we'll send that to you he's already got it oh good yeah to you he's already got it oh good yeah you got everything you need just need to you got everything you need just need to just need to figure it out just need to figure it out it's cold over there he freezes yeah it's cold over there he freezes yeah he's Frozen yeah it's Utah yeah no he's Frozen yeah it's Utah yeah no worries he's got great hair looks at me worries he's got great hair looks at me yeah no worries yeah no worries yeah that's I that the reason why I kept yeah that's I that the reason why I kept saying that was it's good general advice saying that was it's good general advice for anybody listening yeah no you're for anybody listening yeah no you're right right it's like oh my God I want right right it's like oh my God I want to go heavy I hurt it's not the heavy to go heavy I hurt it's not the heavy it's that it's too heavy for your

it's that it's too heavy for your ability to stabilize and you can make a ability to stabilize and you can make a weight feel heavy just by changing the weight feel heavy just by changing the tension and the rep maintain control and tension and the rep maintain control and in tension 100 bodybuilders do this all in tension 100 bodybuilders do this all the time in order to connect the muscles the time in order to connect the muscles but you can do this also to to but you can do this also to to strengthen stabilization well this is strengthen stabilization well this is also the camp that like uh our our also the camp that like uh our our friends like the the Jordan shallow and friends like the the Jordan shallow and stuff like that like that this is the stuff like that like that this is the this is their philosophy or their answer this is their philosophy or their answer for everything is is to just lighten the for everything is is to just lighten the load practice the movement more yeah you load practice the movement more yeah you lighten the load you keep practicing the lighten the load you keep practicing the movement you get better and better and movement you get better and better and eventually you'll create better patterns eventually you'll create better patterns but I also think there's a faster way to but I also think there's a faster way to this if we can figure out the more this if we can figure out the more individualized the advice yeah yeah so individualized the advice yeah yeah so if we can figure out how he's moving but if we can figure out how he's moving but I mean you're a wrestler and you're a I mean you're a wrestler and you're a baseball player for a long time those baseball player for a long time those are like some of the athletes that had are like some of the athletes that had the most imbalances so yeah there's a the most imbalances so yeah there's a lot of repeated pattern stress there lot of repeated pattern stress there yeah and when you say shoulder stuff yeah and when you say shoulder stuff like on the bench it's normally rounded like on the bench it's normally rounded forward shoulder it's like that's what's forward shoulder it's like that's what's going on look check this out go to going on look check this out go to Instagram mind pump media for under five Instagram mind pump media for under five dollars a month you'll get a workout dollars a month you'll get a workout every single week a new workout every

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Why Doing Something Hard Can Help

Cold exposure works because the body and the mind meet the same moment. The water creates a strong physical response, and your decision to stay composed creates a psychological one. Both can support mood.

The source frames this as both chemistry and choice. Cold water can lead to feel-good chemicals, which supports a brighter mood and a clearer state after the exposure. At the same time, you are practicing a precise act of self-trust: choosing discomfort, staying present, and completing what you set out to do.

Brief stress can leave the system calmer afterward. The body rises to meet the cold, then settles once the exposure ends. That transition can feel like a reset, especially on days when anxiety keeps the mind restless or low mood narrows the room.

This is why the comparison to exercise is useful. Strength training and cardiovascular work are not always pleasant in the moment, yet many people finish with more clarity, less agitation, and a steadier sense of self. Cold asks for the same deliberate relationship with effort.

Resilience builds through repetition. Each exposure teaches you that intensity can arrive without taking control of you. You feel the shock, regulate your breath, and watch the moment pass.

It really just builds your resistance or your resilience towards hard things that come your way.

That lesson carries beyond the water. The next difficult conversation, demanding workday, or wave of anxious thought may still arrive, but you have practiced staying steady inside discomfort. Cold therapy is strongest when it becomes a resilience practice, not a willpower display.

The Body's Response To Cold

The body does not meet cold passively. It responds with alertness, sensation, and a coordinated effort to protect balance. Used with care, that response can become a training ground for calm.

The source notes that cold exposure can produce feel-good chemicals, and the outcome is what matters most: mood can lift, focus can sharpen, and the rest of the day can feel easier to inhabit. The effect is not mystical. It is the felt result of a body responding, adapting, and settling.

The sympathetic nervous system is also part of the conversation. Cold water activates this stress response, then the body can relax after the exposure, leaving you with more stillness and less internal noise. A short protocol can become a way to practice moving from intensity back to calm.

There is also a metabolic dimension, though it should stay in proportion. The source describes a modest rise in basal metabolic rate with regular cold exposure. That can be a useful side note, but it is not the reason to build the ritual.

Brown fat helps explain part of that response. It is described as a thermogenic form of fat, meaning it helps produce heat when the body needs warmth. In plain terms, it supports your capacity to handle cold and return to balance.

We do not position cold exposure as a fat-loss strategy. The source is clear that any fat-burning effect is minor, and overselling it distorts the practice. The stronger promise is mood, clarity, recovery, and a more deliberate relationship with stress.

Cold therapy may be less about changing the body quickly and more about teaching it to return to stillness. That is where the protocol becomes valuable. You train the transition from stress to equilibrium, and that transition is a form of mastery.

A Practice With Old Roots

Cold water immersion is not a new wellness invention. The source traces it across thousands of years, with references to the Greeks, older cultural traditions, and daily practices that used cold as a way to invigorate the body. Its endurance is part of its appeal.

Across eras, people associated cold with vitality, steadier nerves, and resistance to illness. Those historical claims were not always framed in modern scientific language, yet the pattern is meaningful. Different cultures found value in the same elemental practice.

One example is direct and familiar: splashing cold water on the face during anxiety. The source notes that early Western medicine used this as a prescription for anxious states. It is a small act, but it gives the body a clear signal and the mind a place to land.

Invigorates the body, makes you resilient to illness or sickness, calms the nerves.

Other traditions used cold rinses, winter exposure, and even snow practices as part of ordinary life. The details vary, but the principle stays consistent. Repeated exposure teaches adaptation, and adaptation changes how the body interprets discomfort.

Modern practice should be measured. Start small, especially if cold exposure is new to you, and keep the protocol simple enough to repeat. A short cold finish to a shower can be more useful than an extreme plunge you avoid after one attempt.

Use timing with intention. The source cautions against placing cold exposure directly after strength training if muscle building is the priority, and recommends separating it from workouts. That keeps the ritual aligned with recovery instead of competing with adaptation from training.

The most refined protocol is the one you can sustain. Enter deliberately, breathe steadily, finish cleanly, and let the body return to warmth. Over time, cold becomes less of an ordeal and more of a sanctuary for resilience.

Wim's Wise Words

A second take, from someone who's lived it.

If you take one thing from this, make it this: cold works best when you make it boring enough to repeat.

The impressive part is not the longest plunge, the lowest temperature, or the hardest face you can hold in the water. The impressive part is keeping a promise to yourself on an ordinary morning. Thirty seconds. One minute. A clean finish to a shower. Done with full attention.

That is where cold becomes useful. You are not trying to dominate the body. You are teaching it a sequence: intensity arrives, breath steadies, the mind stays present, the moment passes. Over time, that sequence becomes familiar. Familiarity changes your relationship with stress.

Where I'd Start

Start warmer than your ego wants and shorter than your ambition suggests. If you can stay composed, you chose the right dose. If you gasp, panic, and spend the whole time waiting for escape, reduce the exposure. The point is adaptation, not proof.

I like a simple threshold: you should be able to breathe through your nose or return to nasal breathing quickly. That tells you the practice is demanding without becoming chaotic. When the breath is gone, the lesson is gone with it.

For mood, I would place cold early in the day. It gives the nervous system a clear signal and leaves you with a cleaner edge of focus. Keep evenings softer. Heat, dim light, and stillness belong there for many of us. Cold can sharpen; sharpening is not always what you need before sleep.

If anxiety is part of your life, do not turn cold into another thing to win. Use it as a small ritual of contact. Feet grounded. Hands relaxed. Eyes steady. One deliberate breath at a time. If you want to go deeper on pairing breath with the cold, read Breathwork, Cold, and Calm next.

What To Be Careful With

Cold is powerful because it is stress. That also means it deserves respect. Do not use it to punish yourself on a low day. Do not use it to avoid a conversation, skip sleep, ignore food, or replace care you already know you need. A good protocol supports your life; it does not become a hiding place.

Separate it from strength work when building muscle is the priority. Give training its own adaptation. Put cold later, or on another part of the day, so the signals stay clean. For a broader view of cold as a deliberate resilience practice, Cold Water as Stress Protocol is a useful companion.

The best cold practice leaves you steadier, not impressed with yourself. You step in with intention. You meet the edge. You step out without drama. That quiet completion is the work.