Chronic illness changes the way the body experiences stress. A practice that feels restorative for one person can feel like too much for another, which is why sauna belongs in a conversation about dosage, recovery, and clinical judgment.
hi and welcome to another episode of the healing lime Summit I'm your host Dr Mariah hinchi and in this episode we're going to be talking about the benefits of infrared sauna as an adjunct therapy for treating Lyme and co-infections as well as other complex chronic diseases and this goes Way Beyond just enhancing the body's ability to detoxify there are actually among other things immune enhancing benefits from this light technology and for any of you guys who frequently go to um any of the lime conferences my expert guest should be no surprise to you today we have Phil Wilson from the relax sauna welcome Phil thank you so much for joining us introduce yourself to our listeners and let them know how you got involved in this technology okay well first I have a degree in mathematics then I had an aab Body Experience then I had a an energetic spinal Awakening and my whole body chemistry changed I could hardly eat anything I had to eat a really really pure diet just to maintain sanity uh I got into fasting Pure Foods and that was in 1971 in 1980 I actually opened up a health food store and a Distributing Company selling massage tools and cutting edge products to uh health food stores and health professionals uh about 20 years later I went to a uh a biological dentist show in Las Vegas where I happen to live now didn't then and the next day there was a spa show so I went to the spa show and one of my massage tool suppliers
had a sauna there a portable sauna I said oh my God I cannot believe you can have a portable sauna in your home because I've always loved saunas and I talked to someone the other day he himself joined Jims or joined uh Spas twice just to use their saunas and I did it three times in my youth because I just have always loved the idea of sweating and sonas it's always been incredibly invigorating for me and so anyway I bought the sauna a year later when I could afford it and a year later I got a call from Taiwan uh directly the the lady who called me said our sauna has an advanced technology different than the one that you're selling online I said okay how much is it they told me I said okay send me one and everyone oh my God it was a night and day difference uh I had sold six of those other saas in 2002 and now it's October of 2002 and I sold 24 saunas the next year in 20 2003 then 60 saas then 120 saas and actually uh in 2019 we sold 2, 000 sonas 2021 4, 000 saas and last year we almost sold 6, 000 saas so the world is becoming aware that far infared saas are not a passing fad but as Rebecca harder says in her her book gastro girl uh healing the world one colon at a time she said if you want to feel fabulous in the 21st century uh aart and Fred sauna is an absolute necessity and and people do not realize how important saas are I'll I'll finish with hypocrates the great uh physician of Grecian times the father of modern
medicine uh was quoted as saying find me a way to create fever and sweat and I will cure disease that's powerful and I was talking to a doctor at a cancer conference in Jacksonville about a few months ago he said the Greek Physicians actually if you look at the derivative of the word we're called warmers their purpose was to warm the body so the body could naturally heal itself and so saunas do not heal they give they raise the body temperature so the body can naturally heal itself and that's that's the beauty of far for is different than any other Energy Medicine device available and there are many good ones to the public and the doctors is that a good intruction so why do you think Rebecca harder said that what do you think she was getting at well um as a colon hydrotherapist and uh also uh who owns a hyperbaric oxygen chamber Clinic uh she was selling wooden sa us for 10 years and just turned her nose every time she saw us at the conference uh and then she said okay in 2016 let me go in and try it what the heck three minutes she could feel the difference and um it's it's like and and you know when there's a problem in the world the solution comes at the same time that's just the way it is that's the way the universe works uh on both sides of the same coin something can't exist without its opposite so the the world was not toxic in 1960 they didn't need faren Fred saas you can study the history uh the Amazon Indians the American Indians the the fin the fins uh every culture the a origines the
The Grecian bath the Turkish baths the Russian bands every culture has found a way to to help the body heal itself naturally well with the amount of toxin in the world the far and Fred saunas which are called The Superior sauna by Dr Sheri Rogers in her her classic book detoxifier die which is all about faren fsas and how people were left to dead environmental she's an environmental doctor people with chemical sensitivities and environmental problems were were you know made a foot to her door uh and she was able to get them all back to feeling great using far INF Fred saas and she called far in Fred saas the the superior sauna and even the maale clinic said in 2004 that far INF Fred saunas are very therapeutic for heart patients but that the heart patient should never use a finish sauna or a hot tub because the heart has to race to maintain an equilibrium between the body temperature and the outside with faren FAS because they increase body temperature significantly that's not the case so Phil why don't you tell our listeners what is the actual difference between a finished sauna and an infrared or a far infrared sauna it it's major major because the uh uh the purpose of AAR and Fred SAA and Sher Rogers Dr Sher Rogers points this out in her book is to raise body temperature that's the whole purpose of a far feda and it does that by sending the same frequency of light as the human body and the water in your body you know if you want to get specific the 7 to 14 Micron
range is the specific magic frequency that matches water and the cells of the human body all mammals and birds the the water molecule is a far INF Fred molecule it it emits faren Fred light at 8 microns and it absorbs faren Fred light human bodies mammals birds we're at 9. 4 microns so if we can sign the same exact frequency of light it resonates with the water molecules it it vibrates spins and a physicist I talked to a couple years ago she told me that that increases the voltage of the water molecule which increases the body temperature and then hypocrates chimes in bingo I can cheer you you know of course he didn't know he can't say that in America but he said I will cure you of your Disease by increasing body temper temperature by giving you a fever right so it's really it's actually like a fever treatment which is what we you know heard the term what we were taught in naturopathic medical school it's inducing a fever treatment in the body which is our body's natural response when we have an infection inside of us this is why we get a fever right you bet I remember age 11 12 13 10 whatever waking up on the third day of a flu totally wet in bed having sweat all night and feeling so in fantastic I mean I I just love sweating but you can have lme disease and go out and play handball or I don't know if you you have lime disease if you can or basketball or whatever and sweat like crazy and the symptoms don't go away right because it's not just sweating so like can you explain the difference between you go a regular sauna and the temperature is hot and it makes us sweat versus when you go in the far infrared
sauna and we have these lights that are actually penetrating deep into the cell right and then that is enhancing like your core body temperature yes the far INF Fred energy uh actually between 4 and 14 microns it penetrates one and 40 to 50 millim which is 1 and 3 / 4 to 2 in now near infrared energy penetrates 1 to 2 m meters and only does the the surface of the Skin So near infared energy is totally ineffective for raising body temperature you have to be between 4 and 14 microns and the relaxon has been tested by uh the the uh Polytechnic University in La all of the energy 100% of it is between seven and 14 microns now we've tested the relaxa just recently in Philadelphia along with another portable sauna and the other portable sauna increases body temperature only about 10 to 15 to 20% of that energy actually makes an impact on the uh water molecules and and 100% of the relax SAA energy actually makes an impact and and we're like well we've been saying for 21 years that that it's different it's it's like when you go in the rela on it it actually feels loving you feel like your grandma's giving you a loving hug you feel like you're basking a Divine love is what you know there's no preheating you you sweat in about seven eight minutes and a lot of times you can have a complete sweat in 15 minutes or or 18 or 20 minutes and the other sauna the other portable sauna I had which was a good one back in 2001 I took the chair out and I would go in it would take 18 minutes to sweat and 55
minutes for me to feel I had a good sweat but there's still a difference it wasn't loving light there's a big difference um because the F and Fred is soft because it resonates with us and it matches our energy and because it matches our energy it's absorbed and penetrates and the other energies between like Sher Dr Sher Rogers saids that we emit 3 to 50 micron which is 3, 000 to 50, 000 uh microns but mainly it's the 4, 000 I'm sorry nanometers okay but it's mainly the 4 to 14 Micron which is 4, 000 to 14, 000 nanometers it's red is 760 nanometers Violet 480 so the wavelength of water is about 10 times the wavelength of red and so red light energy that's a great uh technology has a lot of benefits but and pemf and microcurrent technology and hyperbaric oxygen and ozone and rif machines they all have great Technologies but the faren fredas are the only device whose purpose is to raise body temperature to give you the fever that hypocrates talked about that was so important for True healing to take place where the the body heals itself and so a lot of saunas can actually be depleting right they can take a lot out of you they can deplete your electrolytes I've heard you say time and time again how the relax sauna is not depleting and in fact it has a host of other repleting benefits would you like to talk a little bit more about that yes uh there's a lady uh Amanda who I interviewed about four five six months ago she had a $ 1200 portable sauna and a
a higher dose blanket and and they left her depleted and she gave them away because the relax sauna after she got the relax sauna because it was revitalizing now why is it revitalizing that's the important thing because you don't have to resist the harsh energy that doesn't resonate with you and that takes a lot of effort it's just so simple to be there and and if it's the same energy as you you don't know it's not you so there's no conscious awareness it just penetrates very deeply now this is the energy when you got into a sun on a hot day you close your eyes and oh my God it just penetrates you to the core that feels so good this is the same energy that goes through the sand and resonates with the water and turtle eggs and activates the turtle embryo to grow into a turtle and the sand doesn't get hot it's but it goes through and it only affects the water molecules if you have a heart paste maker uh you have a titanium rod breast implants all that stuff none of that has affected only the water in your body and the organic cells and that's the beauty of it so it's totally safe it's it's just it's a beautiful wonderful experience you really feel revitalized and yes you do and I know that from experience it does actually feel very very similar to sitting in the sun versus um with various other saas like a dry sauna where it it does feel very depleting but so how do the far infrared saunas enhance immune system activity that's a great question I I uh we have a little tiny brochure we say that raising body temperatures is five major things uh it basically it gets the whole metabolic functioning moving and mobilize the lymphatic system to get toxins out the heavy metals the Plastics
the glyphosat-prozess lymphatic system number two it increases micro micro circulation and that always lowers uh blood pressure so high blood pressure oh my gosh people are so happy when they go in because the blood pressure always lowers it also gets rid of inflammation and and a lot of people have reported to me that the scar tissue is is gone I think when I was a kid we had a small poox vaccine that everyone had scars when I was a little kid and all of a sudden a couple years ago I said I don't even know what arm it is because it's not anywhere near uh it it gets rid of scar isssue and we've had incredible you know 10 20 video testimonies on that but Lyme disease we have 20 video testimonies on people saying their lme symptoms are not there uh they come back a year later uh one lady at a show she had neuropathy associated with lime and she had a portable sauna that she'd been using for a year and she got in many times for an hour but 12 minutes in in the relaxed sauna and oh my gosh she felt tingling in her fingers for the first time we also were at a conference we had two vaccine injured ladies cry because they had feeling in their fingers for the first time in two and a quarter years and that's that's really heartwarming the other lady uh she had no she could not feel the circulation in her leg and uh after she got in in 5 seven minutes
and and what what i' what I've noticed is like see it's it's see there's three there's there's the finished saas the infrared saas and the far infrared saas there's a big difference because the the faran Fred saas give you only the four to 14 Micron light and uh the other infrared saas see there's full spectrum infrared which is the same of infrar it's just you know when Quake roads came out with natural wait a second how come you call it natural it's got sugar in it refined sugar well you know it's like full full spectrum infrared is just saying it's infrared and again um what the relax Sona does it uses the tent as a mirror there are three principles of far INF Fred light that most people didn't learn in seventh great it's a light so those aren't radi those aren't heaters they're lighters because they shine light and there and light goes at 186, 000 Miles a second light goes through the the fign food goes through clothes because how can we feel so good the core of our being through our clothes it goes through and and the other thing is that and this is the hardest one it's reflected by a mirror even though it's invisible and so the relaxed on it behind me see it has a silver tent and it goes to the blue cloth hits a silver and bounces now what's nice is with lime disease and especially with Lyme disease they're tricky little you know whatever that you want to call them uh they morph they do all sorts of things and and in this particular sauna they don't have a place to hide because every nook and cranny of the tent reflects the light now when you
sit in a wooden sauna the hole and you sit in front of the window or the it you have the cat lies in the Sun not in the shade because because it's a light it's not heat it has to penetrate you have to be in front of the light so you you get all the nooks and crannies and some other of saunas almost all of them they don't have any front coverage and so your face your chest it doesn't get the the healing light and so this is where the the lime spet and the the other thing I don't I can't pronounce it I'm sorry um they can hide there and and of course then you also have the things about laying the eggs so doing the uh the F and Fred SAA regularly is really really important and and we are so pleased we went to the eyelids conference about 12 12 years ago and that's still our record we sold 43 Sonos on one weekend um and we were impressed but again doctors find that it's different and unique and of course the patients and what I tell people in five to S minutes guaranteed guaranteed every time I have I say this tongue and cheek because it's really true 50% to 100% of a person's pain will be gone without sweating with your clothes on and uh I've noticed it but I never said it I've never been Brazen enough to say it until the last year usually I tell people it feels like your grandma's giving you a loving hug or it feels like you're basking in Divine love now you've been using the relax sauna for many years haven't you yes I have one in my Wellness Center um that I use personally several times a week and I will say you have seen me running around for 12 hours a day in pretty high heels at the eyelets confence for about 3 days straight and
you know there's been time where my back has been killing me and yes I will come over to you and hop in the sauna and I mean it is it's significantly reduced if not gone which I know sounds too good to be true but um it it actually is true now obviously that's different than people suffering from you know pain induced by Lyme disease and that can be a little bit more stubborn but um yes you definitely can feel the difference so can you please share your contact information with our listeners yes the the website is relax sa. com we have a special landing page on that specifically uh talks about Lyme disease and that's relax sonas and that's with an S relax. com line L yme it doesn't have to be capitalized it can be lower it doesn't matter so relax. com uh my email is Phil relax. com uh they're more than welcome to call me on the phone as well I'm still giving out my phone number it's 626 28454 and uh I I love talking about just the spontaneity of of how the relax SAA uh does wonders for a person's Vitality their awareness their freedom the and I want you to talk about the patented semiconductor chips and like the technology behind that and then we'll dive deeper into um the physiological effects of the sauna that sounds great uh the relaxed sauna company in Taiwan was asked by a Japanese company you know the in the southern islands of Japan they have healing Spas where people go and all of a sudden miracles happen in their health uh it turns out there's a preponderance of far infared energy in those spot in
those uh Healing Waters along with lurs and France and Etc and so they asked the relax sauna company in Taiwan can you make something like this out of electricity and 10 years later they finally got back with them and said we did it it took us 10 years to do it but we found a way to and they created a semiconductor chip now planks law says they're not supposed to be able to do what they did but with the semiconductor chip technology that puts it on a whole different later level and without the semi computer semiconductor chip technology it is impossible to do and and it's patented and other saunas simply do not have the technology you either have carbon or you have ceramic and sometime and a long time ago 10 years ago they used to fight among each other which is the best but but frankly uh it's a second class class of far and Fred energy um and the the relaxed son is like a third different level it's it's totally a different level uh and so many times I run into people with wooden saunas and they say I've got a wooden sauna that that couldn't couldn't do what what my wooden sauna does and frankly it doesn't it does way more and and I like to say um you can buy a on Amazon you have there's hundreds of portable sonas and and they're every sauna is going to be helpful too every sauna uh and the their sauna is selling for 3 to 500 is on Amazon and they're frankly worth about $ 100 there's a a $ 1, 200 sauna out there it's probably worth about $ 400 or $ 500 the $ 5, 000 saunas are worth that the relax sauna is a $ 115, 000 sauna as I like to say and it sells for $ 1, 500 and and that's the difference if you have uh a grocery store four miles away
from you and someone gives you a bicycle you're ecstatic if someone gives you a motorcycle you're even happier but if you have a Mercedes it's really nice and you can take all the groceries home with you in the car too so there is a difference and and it's like a lot of people think that all saas are created equal and that's like saying all vitamin C supplements are the same well sometimes you have 240 capsules and and they're a gram and sometimes you have 30 capsules and they're 100 mgrs so a lot of people don't realize that the dose of a sauna is something to look at and people just they say oh a sauna is a sauna they just look at the price well every sauna is different they all have good benefits some have but but what you want is you want to be able to increase body temperature that's the secret to increase body temperature because because that's what does the magic I know Dr Paul Anderson in uh he used to teach at basier college for 25 years and he gives seminars and he he says it's remarkable the relax Sonic can increase body temperature 101 101. 5 to 101. 9 every time and this he says is very remarkable for a sauna and it borders on being hyperthermia which and you got to be careful about using the word but they have hospitals in in Germany the purpose is to raise body temperature enough to kill all the parasites kill all the junk and they have specific technology available to them because if you increase the body to 104 105 you kill everything but if you increase the body to 107 108 you kill the human body you don't want to do that right bill I want to interrupt you for one second here because you're talking about the different saunas that are out there and I will tell you I have had patient after introducing them you know to my sauna in my clinic
and then you know they come back and they're like oh look at this sauna that I found for like you know $ 200 on Walmart it looks exactly the same and it's like this plastic bag for lack of a better you know with a heater inside of it and you know you're getting in there and you're zipping this up around you and you're basically just off gassing a bunch of of plastics so um I think it would be good for you to tell our listeners like what is the material that they're actually sitting in you know like it's not plastic no it it's not plastic it is polyester I'm I'm not a fan of polyester I'm I'm a a wool and cotton and linen and silk those are the only things I wear I I finally have surrendered I have a few long sleeve shirts that are 60% cotton and 40% polyester which were given to me but way back I cannot wear a t-shirt that's part polyester because I can't breathe I mean just I'm suffocating U the polyester is good because it holds the uh the heat in and it's not off gassing the carpet in your in any house or any hotel is a is way more dangerous uh now there is a man who who posted on reddit. com in February of 2017 he he said my gosh look at the research on wooden infrared sonas can do this is remarkable he bought a $ 300 Amazon Sona then he bought a $ 500 Amazon sauna they failed to increase body temperature more than a half a degree and the most important feature of the foreign Fred saas is increasing heart rate variability they totally failed to do at all the the research on on Sona says heart rate variability increased then he bought a relax Sona increased body temperature 3 Dees in 25 minutes but more importantly the heart rate variability increase blew them away because it was Far Far More than what the research on faren Fred Sona says
they they can do there's a new book out by uh Ariel kalista meler called infrared illuminated and she's got about 150 articles uh on research on in on foreign fret saunas and she also has been using the relax sauna for two years she has a company where they Infuse foreign Fred energy into jewelry um and so and she's very intelligent and uh a good friend of hers that's probably one of the foremost experts in on farford energy on the planet and and he Compares our saunas to the other ones and says there is absolutely an incredible difference n none of the saunas are I mean they're good I mean they all have testimonies but if you want to increase body temperature heart rate variability and and a lot especially with Lyme disease that's a tricky one mle toxicity we get really good results IC pain uh we've got six cancer clinics to sell the relax sauna um I'm just so pleased to be able to educate people and there's also probably concerns about EMF but see since we have nine times more far and Fred energy than any other sauna and it's been proven in Japan um that that far and Fred energy antidotes the negative effects of microwave EMF see this that's a microwave device 100 times more dangerous than the EMF in any household appliance let alone any sauna uh that's just something just to be able to note but it actually far infatable antidote and and undo the harm caused by microwave EMF energy and that's that's beautiful to know and beautiful to experience yeah so Phil for somebody with Lyme disease specifically yes how many minutes how many times a day how
many days a week do you recommend using the sauna to have this oxygenating and immune enhancing benefit that's that's the beauty of of the relaxed sauna in that it preheats it takes not 10 to 30 minutes to preheat but 10 to 30 seconds so 5 to 7 Minute treat ments with your clothes on are incredibly effective with people for ly now sometimes after occasionally I mean rarely but we have had people have the herxheimer effect they go in for three minutes and oh my God and so there are people who who need to be careful and measure that but most lime patients that I've come across have been able to go in for 5 10 minutes they test it gingerly and then they can do a 20 minute sweat and they come back a year later saying you know my my girlfriend's all her symptoms are gone you know there's a naturopathic doctor out of Washington her Lim literate doctor said okay your his wife is 70% better now you need to have a foreign fed SAA he got ours and within a a few months or six months she was 95% better she doesn't need to do it every day she does it about three times a week and so uh that's that's really heartwarming when you have so many benefits but basically you could do it 5 to 7 Minutes 5 7 8 9 10 times or you can do you know and I recommend it go in with your clothes on and then all of a sudden if you're feeling really good and you get to that uh Crossroads in your life do I get out because I don't want to sweat or do I stay in because it feels so damn good then you can take your clothes off and sweat and so you know but a lot of people will do 20 minutes sweats once or twice a day if
they can and and Dr Roger Bika in in Fort Collins Colorado uh says that when his patients not necessarily lime although he treats he used to be director of medical director for Nassau for 10 years and he says when his patients finally start sweating the nons sweaters when they finally start sweating there's a marked difference in their healing Journey so that's what you want to do but if you're not a swe sweater you're not a sweater but eventually if you do it enough and everyone has so many people have reported to me and and when they do start sweating it it's more magic happens yeah I've had a lot of patients who Can't Sweat initially when they go in there and um a lot of them have really either impaired detoxification or they have just like a really low vital force and I think that using the sauna actually I I like using the sauna in conjunction with absen Sal baths I think doing the combination of those two therapies really actually helps to increase their their vital force overall I I think the the vital force that is crucial and and that's and that distinguishes I believe the relaxed sauna for many of the other saunas I know uh we were at a cancer conference in Reno Nevada about 12 15 years ago this guy used to go across LA to his mom's house 45 minutes and go in the s would take 45 minutes and he he'd come out exhausted he did a 25 minutes total complete sweat at the conference and he felt rejuvenated and that's that's really important because if you have Lyme disease you you need you want to be revitalized you want to and there's something in the relax SAA that does that because it penetrates and cleanses and and oxygenates the body but what it does it activates the parasympathetic nervous system in a way that others
can't touch and that's the secret because see I have a quasi definition of of pain I say it's the awareness of time if you've ever hurried or you've worried or you're weighted all that's involved in time so when you activate the parasympathetic you get outside of time you get into the moment and that's where true healing can take place when that nervous caffeine mind is not doing its thing it's like when you're sleeping tring can take place cuz we're not getting in the way and so what happens is once you get all that uh nervous energy out and you get to that zero point where you're calm and mellow then the mitochondria can start creating real energy true energy coming from you being connected with the Divine for you being Connected To Source for you being in the present moment because that's where all the magic happens and that's the beauty of of what faren Fred does it oxygenates the cell killing the anerobic bacteria we've tested the relax Sonic it will increase muscle oxygen 45% now I believe we haven't tested other sonas but I don't know if they can increase muscle oxygen more than 20% we have the Dodgers bought three saas from us a couple years ago a lot of the other major league baseball teams um it's for performance and Recovery marathon runners just recovering is just so so wonderful and and when you've got lime you've got so much junk you know going on in your body you know you need a break and and getting into I mean I was putting people in the sauna about 15 years ago and I asked the lady well how do you feel she said relaxed next lady how do you feel relaxed next leader how do you feel relaxed I said oh my God
that's why they call it the relax sauna it never even dawned to me after eight years you know because you know like most people don't realize momentum comes from the word moment or observe comes from the word serve we just don't notice those things but but I think becoming aware of the pictures you're looking at is such a secret to life and I'm actually writing a book about that called pictures of the Mind freeing yourself from beliefs that no longer serve you and that book will be out this year here look for it I will I look forward to reading it I think it's uh I mean that we could go off on a completely different topic right now but yes I've been very much realizing you know recently that we create our own realities and we create them with our own thoughts and so that can be a good thing or a bad thing it's great because because if you created your reality you can't blame anyone and you can't be a victim and therefore you have the power to uncreate it and so it gives you Freedom or recreate it that's right so Bill I want to make it clear for our listeners because I don't want them to think from what I said that if you're not sweating you're not getting any benefits so it it is true that you're still going to get benefit from this far infrared light even if you don't have the ability to sweat or if you cannot stay in it long enough to the point where you do start sweating is that a correct statement I've been at shows I've seen 30, 000 people without sweating get rid of 50% to 100% of their pain there's so many benefits because you're still locally increasing the body temperature and it's a process and and one eventually has patience and honors the process being where you are allowing the healing to take place if you you know it took you a long time to get to where you're at and it takes a long time to
cleanse the body and uh you also by the way increasing body temperature even one degree if you have low thyroid will help you assimilate nutrients 20% more increase the body temperature allows you to assimilate your nutrients and and you know most of us I don't know most of us but a lot of people have digestive problems problems assimilating uh absorbing nutrients but again absorbing the light and cleansing cleansing the cells allows the nutrients to come in that's so important and it restructures the water it's see it softens it and the S I can't say the word sur surfacant it it gives you I mean you know I I was talking to Dr JB who's written a lot of books back in the 90s is quite an amazing man and he's explaining to me what far and fr does and how it's so essential and when he had his clinics in New York City he always told people to go into the uh wooden saunas and they didn't do it very often but if you have a protocol and you're not doing a far and Fred sauna along with your protocol you're not getting the job done nearly as well you need to get the toxins out and then the faren Fred gives you the oomph to get it out of the body it's not music IAL chairs you need to oomph to get it out of the body and far in Fred SAA is almost like I I don't understand why not every single holistic health practitioner in the world doesn't insist on using far in fredas I mean it's like it's so it's an educational process you know they're different that what distinguishes faran from sonas from any whether it be red light or neurin fed lasers or pmf or microcurrent technology the faren F's increased body
temperature that's the key and that create that fever that hypocrates you know raved about that's so important it is and so are these saunas available worldwide or yes the relaxed sauna is made in Taiwan and they ship to any country in the world uh and they give you the Australian sauna with the 220 volt with the Australian plug the French plug the English plug you know the Spanish plug whatever the German the yes and there unfortunately after Co shipping used to be about $ 200 to another country but now it's about $ 400 and and I think in Israel it's 650 and that's just what can I do or say but they will ship you from Taiwan directly the exact currency electric currency and the plug that you need okay and you had said that they're $ 1, 500 correct 15 now there is a a deluxe uh for Rich Taiwanese uh I call it the Mona sauna it's for for people who want to be special and it's got the embroidered logo on it and it is a little thicker and it does reflect a little bit better um and it retains the heat better and it's if you have money and you want the best spend 2100 and get that if you like the way way it looks I used to buy colored Staples for seven times more than silver Staples because it brought me joy but incidentally that reminds me the relaxed sauna is the only sauna I know that brings joy and one day she showed up at the booth and said I'm [Laughter] Joy oh you're funny mental mental Clarity getting rid depression all these mental emotional I mean it it cleans it P I it's it's like just imagine basking in Divine love you know it cleanses and
purifies everything emotionally mentally and sically so I believe that and I've' ve sically so I believe that and I've seen it and I've experienced it but is there research on this have you seen or you know can you point our listeners who are critics to any sort of like research articles on the benefits of far infrared um energy systems or saunas or you know for those listeners that want to see like the concrete evidence before they are going to invest in something like this for themselves we have researched in 2004 with our little lamp our our portable lamp I don't have it here but it's a we're the only sauna company that has that can actually use their technology as a lamp whether it' be a professional lamp you can put over the tummy while you're doing colonics or the lamp that can get rid of a tooth Paine from a 7 to one in 5 to 10 minutes um the we this lamp in 2004 we compared it to a near INF Fred lamp and to to nothing and we were able to significantly increase circulation and to re reduce pain I think to get rid of inflammation and reduce circulation uh I mean increased circulation significantly more than the nearin Fred lamp and significantly more than nothing so there is research we have tested it recently about increasing muscle oxygen 45% we have tested the energy coming out of the relax SAA at the Polytechnic University in LA and 100% of the energy actually is between uh uh seven and 14 microns and again Dr Sher Rogers says we emit between 3 and 50 but mostly at 9. 4 microns in her book on page 208 deto if fire or die which spawn the whole far in
fire or die which spawn the whole far in Fred sauna industry so we do have research and we're working on getting research on not just the faren Fred Ray there's 150 articles about faren Fred Ray and what it can do and and it's way more than I mean there's people who have been promoting finish saas for a couple years some of them are very vocal on YouTube but they don't know about the relax sauna they do not know about the relax sauna and it would blow them away because this is far more effective than any wooden sauna I've had and the wooden saas are great and they've saved lives and people have had cancer they've gone into them and their cancers have gone away it's Been instrumental uh Dr um Brian Clement The hypocrates Institute has been uh promoting wooden saas for years he now uses travels with the relax sauna Dr cleaner uses to relax sauna uh Dr Robert oou Young has been using saas for 40 years and he he now uses the relax sauna he is you know um we have many many people and it's a slow process educating people getting them to try and again I'm I'm I believe in Chinese traditional medicine I've been using Chinese herbs since' 84 my company was selling Chinese herbs medicinal MH mushrooms green powders oxygen products Aroma uh essential oils in the 80s to health food stores I've been Progressive and and the um the far and fritas are amazing and I know from experience but then again like you say some people they have to have the research and I'm saying jump in experience it then you can then you'll want to do the research I mean I I was at a show doctor I said what what is the relax on I said it's loving light then
relax on I said it's loving light then he said can you give me something more scientific I said okay and I went on to explain all this whatever and the next day he came back and said you know I think the loving light was the best description you gave of me to me because it's it I mean it it's just oh my God it it you feel revitalized after five minutes that's what I did right before I said I'm going to be a minute or too late I had to get in the sua for 5 minutes you know I didn't get a whole lot of sleep last night cuz I was busy getting things done on on some other projects so to recap for our listeners so we have this loving light that is going to help your body to detox on a cellular level it is going to help to enhance immune system function decrease inflammation increase oxygen uh blood flow but also oxygen concentration and oxygen concentration in the muscle anything else that I'm leaving out fell uh well it it'll get the mitochondria create ATP and nitric oxide and a lot of people say well near and Fred will do this well maybe it will but far and Fred will penetrates a lot deeper and frankly from my experience is it's far more effective I there's a lot of myths out there you know people people are concerned about EMF and I know that the fear of EMF is a 100 times more dangerous than EMF itself like if you go on the Harry Potter set you say valdemir you know I remember about five years ago this lady said I don't want any dangerous EMF in my son I said oh my gosh they said valdemir but um it's and again you know i' I've we have four people in Southern California and la and Phoenix they go into houses to make them safe EMF wies they all have relaxed
sonas in their own homes so you know it's like let's talk about the pure technology and giving you the far and Fred light so the tent and all the it's like I'm giving you pure like gin thing you know and maybe there's a tiny tiny bit of sugar in the coating but I'm giving you wild Jin sing and it's 10 times more powerful than regular Jin sing and so I finally said okay fuy and I I started eating it and said oh my gosh and I was not doing it before because of the little tiny bit of sugar so we learn after a while that to not sweat the small stuff we we learned to to just relax listen to our inner guidance and just just say okay let me go in and see and and lo and behold it it's amazing and it blows people away because they they cannot believe it feels so good so quickly but but that's you know each person when they're at their time when they're ready you know then they're ready until then they're closed minded and that's okay that's part of the process and I I'm here as an educator you know this sauna is good all saunas are good this one can get results and it's sad because sometimes people don't get the results they're looking for and I know if they had the relax Ona they would and so I'm I'm on a mission I'm a man with a mission many missions but basically for people to become more free part of being free is not having pain uh you know my mom used to say if you don't have your health you have nothing and it is certainly it it really is nice to have your health um I've been uh for 55 years I've been um meditating and and on a pure diet and
so uh I I do my best to to feel connected to feel free and you know what happens then you can love and then you can accept love and and that that's that's the best of all things and when when you're when you have had wonderful things happen do you want to share it with the world and and so I'm here to say the relax on is pretty damn good you might want to try it no claims not that it's better than another one it's it's good it it gets the job done great so again if our listeners want to further this discussion with you or purchase one of the relax saunas um please again share your information with them okay it's relax saas with an S relax saa. com the special uh uh landing page online is relax sonas. l lme uh my email is Phil relax. com and I'm still accepting phone calls one of these days I may not be so you know but it's 6262 8454 I live in Las Vegas I lived in Columbus Ohio for 50 years I went to graduate school there in mathematics I still have my health store there for 44 years that I opened up in 1980 selling Progressive products um and um that's how to contact me and and by all means uh it's a 30-day money back guarantee um there you can actually there's payment plans you can do online we want you to get the sauna and if you don't feel better I mean people who have had other saunas other portable saunas have got the relaxed sauna and and they don't send the relax sauna back they sell their other SAA I or one
lady gave it away a $ 1, 200 SAA just gave it away because it left her depleted and the relax on revitalized her she said I'm a deto specialist I need to be revitalized I'm 52 you know I need to and so anyway that that gives you a little information the relax Ona company has been in business for 42 years years I have been in business for 44 years and the relax Sona company is is from Taiwan it's not China uh and uh it it works and the semi conductor chip that gives you only the the 7 to 14 Micron that's the secret it's a technology that makes it stand Head and Shoulders above others the relax SAA can transform your house into a home because where there's a home there's a hearth a place of warmth and houses should be built around like in Finland around the relax sauna then put the stove in then the refrigerator maybe the washing machine then build the home but it's a foundation for a home if you don't have a a relaxed sun in your house then you have a house not thank you so much Phil for being with us I'm G to leave it at that thank you so much to all of our listeners for joining us for this episode of healing lime I hope that the information that you've heard in this episode was helpful on your journey to Healing from lime thank you so much thank you Phil it was great thank you so much Mariah
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In this interview, Dr. Myriah Hinchey speaks with Phil Wilson about far infrared sauna as an adjunct practice for people navigating Lyme disease, co-infections, and complex chronic conditions. The strongest thread is not a promise of cure. It is the idea that heat, used carefully, can become a supportive signal for circulation, sweating, comfort, and immune resilience.
Far infrared light is discussed as a form of heat that can warm the body at a lower ambient temperature than many traditional saunas. That distinction matters for people who are sensitive, depleted, or still rebuilding tolerance.
In plain language, the goal is not to endure the hottest room possible. The goal is to create enough thermal input to encourage sweating, circulation, and relaxation while leaving the nervous system able to recover.
The best sauna protocol is not the one that proves how much heat you can tolerate. It is the one your body can integrate.
The interview returns often to detoxification. Sweating can help the body eliminate certain compounds, but detox is never a single-pathway event. It depends on hydration, minerals, liver function, lymphatic movement, bowel regularity, and rest.
This is where sauna becomes a practice rather than a spectacle. A measured session can support the body. Too much heat, too soon, can create a burden. The difference is attention.
For Lyme disease and chronic infections, the language matters. Far infrared sauna may support comfort, circulation, and immune function as part of a broader care plan. It should not be framed as a replacement for diagnosis, medical treatment, or clinician guidance.
The useful question is simple: does this protocol leave the person more stable afterward? If the answer is yes, it may have a place. If symptoms flare sharply, the dose needs to change.
Warmth softens the body. For many people, a sauna session creates a shift from vigilance toward parasympathetic recovery. Breathing slows. Muscles release. The body has a chance to feel safe enough to repair.
That felt experience is not separate from physiology. Recovery practices work best when they respect both the cell and the person living inside the system.
Begin with shorter, gentler sauna sessions when health is fragile, and increase only when recovery feels steady. — Practice note
Support sweating with hydration, minerals, and rest rather than treating heat as a standalone solution. — Practice note
Begin with shorter, gentler sauna sessions when health is fragile, and increase only when recovery feels steady.
Support sweating with hydration, minerals, and rest rather than treating heat as a standalone solution.
Use far infrared sauna as an adjunct practice alongside appropriate medical care, especially with Lyme or complex chronic illness.
