Transcript: Cold, Heat, and Agency During a Serious Health Journey

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even now the stuff that I know um the fact that it was already spread outside the prostate I probably would do the surgery again it's it's changed my life forever you know getting rid of that thing but unfortunately because of the location and whatnot he didn't get every single piece of the quote tumor he had told me the size of my tumor my prostate suggested I had it 4 to 7 years prior to me um so that puts me at age 43, potentially maybe 45. So that goes back to that PSA testing. You know, guys got to have that done early. There you are. Hello, Les. How are you? I'm really happy to see you. Good. How you doing? All right. You look healthy, man. You might even look healthier as well than the last time I saw you. I don't know. Okay. We're already recording. I was pretty healthy. So, you know, I got Yeah. You got Wait, it hit you again. Okay. So, hold on a second. Let me just tell this audience here how I know you and who you are. Um, this is Les. We met when um you you were doing you were starting an autograph signing business, right?

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right? Was you were autographing? Yeah, we were expanding um Yeah, we we um we were doing athletes for about 15 years and we expanded into entertainment and we did this big Sopranos um project. That's how we met. That is how I know you. But wait, what did you do before that? Yeah. Were you in the Were you Why did I think I did 20 years in law enforcement? Right. Okay. I was right about that. I wasn't sure. I don't want to say first career. Yeah. No, I was a kid that I got on at 20 years old and did that for 20 years and then started um representing professional athletes. Rhode Island. Oh, right. Okay. The accent. That's right. I forget that you have the Rhode Island accent. So you were a were you a cop or were you a detect? What was the Yeah, I was a cop. I was um in detectives mostly doing um a lot of fun stuff. Yeah. So then you know how to investigate things. That means you know how to search high and low for all the things that that will lead to the truth which brings us to why we're here today. Yeah. Un unfortunately sometimes. Yes. Yeah. Well, the reason why I wanted to talk to Les, it wasn't about his um days in law enforcement. It was about his battle with cancer.

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with cancer. So, when you explained a lot of this stuff to me back then, I hadn't really heard about all of that, all these different ways of um like a good detective. I guess you uh you researched what would resonate better for you than following the regular protocols, but first tell me about your first bout and what that cancer was, what was recommended to you, all of that stuff. You go. I'll be quiet. I never stop talking less. It's a problem. No, that's all right. So, I got diagnosed uh or I had um about a week after my 50th birthday, 2017 and uh yeah, 2017. And I got um I got diagnosed with stage three prostate cancer um on 7-Eleven of 17. My dad had that. It unfortunately gets called the um the good cancer, but um I don't think any of them are good, but certainly certainly not that one. It's um it's got some nasty uh lifelong side effects and [__] you got to deal with. But um yeah, so I initially um I initially had some symptoms if that's what you're if you want me to start right at the beginning.

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want me to start right at the beginning. I mean, go ahead. I know what some of those symptoms are. just having had a dad with it and it's like I hate to say this but it's so many men. I mean it it really is it is the constant cancer whether it's the the benign or whatever I think it's the constant cancer scare for men. Yeah. You know and and it used to be like an I don't want to say an old man's cancer but it really was. Um, and me getting diagnosed at 50 is young, but there's guys getting diagnosed in early 40s now and whatnot. Um, and you know that I didn't know anything about a quote PSA test, which is what they used to recommend guys in their 60s to get. You know, now I think they've switched it down to 50s and guys in their 40s really should get it. Um, a PSA test, simple blood test. Um, I didn't have my first one until after I had some symptoms. How can they tell? Yeah. How What's the PSA test? Tell me what that is real quick for a chick who doesn't know these days. It's just a blood test. Yeah. No, it's uh I didn't know anything about it either. It's just a regular blood test and it I'm not even I should know, but I've had so much stuff go through my head in the last eight years. I'm not even sure what PSA stands for. Um, don't worry. But it's it's the common and only prostate uh cancer test that they do. It's a simple blood test.

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It's a simple blood test. Okay. Yeah. It's specific to prostate cancer only. It it won't detect any other cancers and in men or a female wouldn't have a PSA test check. Well, it depends on what kind of broad you're talking to. I'm just kidding. Oh, that's right. These days you never know, right? Um so I had, you know, I had a just some symptoms that weren't normal and um kind of ignored them and um few weeks later I had a cousin say, "Oh, you better check that out. My father, which would have been my uncle, you know, has a history of prostate cancer."and I kind of blew her off. And you know, and I think part of getting on the police departments at age 20 and doing all this exciting stuff, you have this invincibility that, you know, that [__] ain't going to happen to me kind of thing. So, I kind of blew her off um or blew it off and then um decided, well, I better go get it checked. And sure enough, my PSA number was was pretty high. So I went I initially went to uh one of the big hospitals in the Boston area and immediately um felt like a like cattle going through the process and um wasn't comfortable at all there with what they were recommending. um they initially just based on my PSA

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um they initially just based on my PSA score wanted to do a a blind biopsy and um with no anesthesia and oh if if you could figure out where they would go through for a biopsy on your prostate. It didn't sound very um very appealing to me. So, um, my wife also retired law enforcement and she's Sicilian and she's pretty pretty diligent and hardcore with asking a million questions and um, not not settling on what they just tell you. So, we went home um didn't schedule the I actually I think we did schedule it uh the biopsy at that Boston hospital, but went home and did a little research back to what you were saying about, you know, investigating and that kind of thing. And we found out that the best thing um for a prostate cancer initial person is having an MRI first of your prostate which which will actually show where potential tumors are and that kind of thing. So instead of just doing a blind biopsy where they go in and just randomly poke at your prostate in 16 various places. And you know, the bad part about that is they could miss a tumor section or they could I'm not a big proponent of biopsies now. That's just my opinion. Um I understand why unfortunately several done.

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unfortunately several done. Yeah. I Yeah. No, my brother, but Yeah. It just in my opinion after eight years and having several done and doing some research and whatnot, I just think poking a hole in a tumor and pulling stuff out of it. Um I wouldn't go that route again. You know, to my in my opinion, it just could potentially lead to um spreading and that kind of thing. But again, I don't have any doctor degree to say whether I'm I'm right or not. But I like that you're disclaiming um on here. You're disclaiming on here the way everybody on podcasts have to do. We're not doctors. We're not offering medical advice. This is one person's journey. That's all it is. Um we'll talk to other people to other friends of mine and their journeys too. But um but my brother just had a biopsy done and when he had that biopsy done it um I guess once you break that barrier that that sack that is there to I thought I heard all kinds of noise. We're we're not in our regular studio. We're in our t-shirt studio. So I was like what's the new noise? I don't even know where I am right now. Um but when when they biopsied he had a little lump in his neck and that was it. He got on an airplane after that. And when his family told me that they had gotten on an airplane right after, I was very nervous and he

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right after, I was very nervous and he got back from that trip and it had meta metastasized all I always don't know if I say that word right, but it was everywhere. It was everywhere in his lungs and his in his brain. Yeah. Um, I know some of these doctors that are out there, a lot of the more innovative ones are thinking out of the box ones are talking about how that cancer, that tumor is your protection from what is inside of it, that it is trying to to keep it in one place and keep it away from everything else. So once you set it free, it starts to do its thing. So you I don't know that much about it, but you do, so I'm here to ask questions. So, go ahead and tell me why you don't like it. For you kind of hit the nail right on the head. Um, and I I'll get into in a little bit a horror story I had with a biopsy and getting on a plane. Um, that's that's about four years, five years into my problem. Um, so I I thought I was crazy fly back from I live in Florida now. No, you're not crazy at all. Um, okay. I don't think you're crazy at all. I um I can get right into that one now or I can put that in order, but um I had a nasty nasty experience having a biopsy and getting on a plane. Um but back to my initial diagnosis. I didn't um end up staying in Boston and

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didn't um end up staying in Boston and uh we did some research and found that you can have an MRI and you can have a biopsy which um simultaneously uses the images from the MRI so they know exactly where to check um and that's what we did and unfortunately that MRI also showed that my tumor had already spread outside my prostate Um, so that that wasn't good news. So that automatically, you know, put me at a stage three cuz it's they were starting to spread to other areas um around the prostate. So I can still remember um meeting the next morning with with the local urologist here and him explaining it to me. And at at that point, you know, stuff's going in one ear and one out the other. And I'm still thinking I'm that invincible guy and h no big deal, you know, cuz I've had a bunch of surgeries prior. Um, but I think the wake up was seeing my wife hyperventilating in the waiting room as she's being told, I guess, you know, we're not going to be able to cure him. We're just going to try to extend his life. And I guess that was pretty pretty traumatic thing for her to hear. Um, so I meet with the and this is literally five minutes from my house. So we had going up to Boston thinking, you know, that was the best place to go. But there was only two places in the country that were doing these at the time, probably all over now, MRI guided

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probably all over now, MRI guided biopsies. And we had that done again, five minutes from where I live in Sarasota. And uh met with a great urologist. I still think he's good. I I actually think he's retired now. Um and he um right away suggested that I have my prostate out. So um he's like, you know, at this point because it's spread, you don't want this thing um spreading any further and take it out. And you know, even even now the stuff that I know um the fact that it was already spread outside the prostate, I probably would do the surgery again. Um, you know, it's it's changed my life for forever, you know, getting rid of that thing. Um, so we I fly out to uh Chicago and I have a surgery done at Northwestern by um a a well-known surgeon out there. But unfortunately um the surgery he misses not misses but you know because of the location and whatnot he didn't get every single piece of the quote tumor. Um he had told me the size of my tumor my prostate suggested I had it four to seven years prior to me. Um so that puts me at age 43 potentially maybe 45. So that goes back to that PSA test thing. you know, guy's going to have that done early. Um Yeah.

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Yeah. And you know, and I I think it's um not industrial, but you know, I think somewhere along the line, I brought this on myself, whether it was, you know, I don't think it was heredity, you know, it was just something that in my life and in my environment that I was uh anyway, um a lot of people are talking about these that these days. So it's I mean I don't think that's a crazy thing. It's not some woo woo stuff. I mean it's really it's at the forefront of a lot of conversations now that it's trauma and a lot of emotional stuff and then there's toxins and then there's other things too and parasites but I think a lot of people are talking about the traumatic aspect that sort of manifests itself if you don't deal with stuff especially if you were you know doing your kind of work too. That's that's definitely um bringing home the cancers of society every day, you know. Yeah. You know, I'll never know and I don't think anyone will ever know. I mean, it didn't help that um for 20 years we lived on the 11th hole of a golf course and in summers I'd wake up to the smell of Roundup in my bedroom. Wow. You know that crossed my mind. Oh my god. Do they use round up on golf? I know. We had a big fire pit in the backyard. Oh well, we were right on the We were like 30 40 yards from the green and they

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like 30 40 yards from the green and they were constantly fertilizing that. And we lived on the water so the water would blow it towards the house. Yeah. I mean I here I am. I'm talking about emotional trauma and being in the law enforcement and we're talking we're actually talking about Monsanto and Round Up. That's so funny. But yes, I I think I didn't know that they go ahead. Sorry. Yeah. No, I'm a big I believe for certain No, that's all right. I believe for certain that um again like you know environmental type things that we expose ourselves to um you know I think that plays a big part in it. Um I was a sugar junkie. I would eat boxes and boxes of like Mike and I and Goodie Fruities and all that you know. So um and I'll get into that whole change of lifestyle thereafter. Um, you know, but back to uh I had the surgery, took it out and immediately they wanted because they missed some they recommended I do radiation um in my pelvis area. So I I did that. That was about a I don't know about an 8w week every day um Monday to Friday having radiation done. I did that down here. Um yeah that you know I've done radiation three

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know I've done radiation three times twice it's a long protocol every day for believe it was six weeks or eight weeks. Um but then I also have done uh more special beam radiation where it's just five sessions for about 15 minutes. Um got got some issues with with some of that side effect too. Um, so fast fast forward after the surgery 6 months later. So once you get your PSA out, u your PSA I once you get your prostate out, your PSA is going to should be zero forever because you don't have anything to draw that number up unless there's floating prostate cancer cells somewhere in your body. So, kind of right away, my PSA was was rising and I went to a I'm not going to call her quack because that wouldn't be nice, but I went to a local cancer institute down here in Florida and um this young lady doctor um proceeded to tell me I had 1 to three years to live. And this is um about eight eight years ago. So I clearly good thing I didn't listen to her. Um so that was an interesting visit. Um she wanted to put me on hormone therapy uh which essentially is what uh prostate cancer guys with metastases or adv you know advanced stages um get put on. And again that

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stages um get put on. And again that drug was invented for guys in their 80s essentially just want to hang on for a couple of years. And um that was something I wasn't interested in doing as a 50-year - old guy, you know, um essentially having all your testosterone sucked out. It's literally the same drug that the people that are choosing to transition, they're giving them the same thing. So that wasn't appealing to me. And she said by doing that she could give me another year to 3 years of life based on what she felt was my you know my PSA rising and um that kind of thing. She offered no scans. She offered no um you know at the time they were developing a uh what they call ESMA scan which was still in the trial basis but that's specific for prostate cancer um guys. and it'll find anywhere in your body where prostate cancer cells have have ventured off to. And because my numbers were rising, that clearly suggested that that spot that got missed during my my surgery um was producing prostate cancer cells somewhere else. Um so we didn't listen to her. We went home did did our research and all that again and we find found that out in Los Angeles at UCLA they were doing studies and trials on this this PSMA scan which is now available all over the country

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is now available all over the country but you know we winding back 8 years or whatever it was you know they there was only two in the country places doing it one was at UCLA so we go out to UCLA I think I'm about about a year and a half into this now and um I do the scan my PSA is continuing to rise but the scan shows nothing so they can't find it essentially it's they quote said it's hiding somewhere what is the PSA for the next three it's just a um cat it's a cat type scan or pet scan sorry it's a pet scan where they inject you with nuclear some sort nuclear stuff, PSMA stuff. Um, and it literally is nuclear. You know, you have to sign something that you won't go on a plane because you'll test positive through the scans and all that. Um, so I have that scan done and they can't find anything despite Yeah, it's pretty weird stuff. Is it your full body when they do that PET scan for this particular kind? It's a Yeah, it's a full body essentially from skull to um shins essentially because prostate cancer really won't go past your shins, but it can, you know, it could metastasize to your anywhere from your skull. It prostate cancer loves bones, so it's usually going to your bones after anywhere from your skull

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anywhere from your skull down to your like fibia and tibia and all that. Um, so for the next three or maybe two and a half years, my PSA keeps going up and I keep doing these scans out of pocket while it's still in trial and then I'm finding it, you know. So that kind of goes back to what you said about stress like you know it's um, you know, you're just constantly living with it. You know, now I know I got this thing growing in me. Have no idea where it is. Um, you know, I used we started calling it the reaper. Don't fear the reaper. That became my my little um go-to saying, you know, I'm not going to fear this thing. Um, but you know, the reaper is always over your shoulder knocking on your shoulder saying, I'm still here, you know, kind of thing. Um, so I tried to get into um the number one prostate cancer guy is in probably the country's top one or two hospitals and I had to wait until my PSA really got bad to get in to get to him. So that was kind of nerve-wracking too, knowing that I you know to go see the best guy I have to get worse before I can get into him. Well, I eventually get into him and um and the guy is just phenomenal. Big music fan. Um we instantly hit it off and he sent me this massive oh everything. He's just a musical uh just

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everything. He's just a musical uh just loves music of all types and sent me this big disc just like 5, 000 songs on of everything. Oh, that's nice. So he Yeah. you know, and it was nice because um I I felt a little bit more personal um you know, approach that he had not approach but I didn't feel like a piece of cattle just being a number going through the line, so to speak, you know. And um Neo and he always would say I told them what what the uh hospital down here said or the clinic or whatever you want to call it. They gave me one to three years. And at this point I was probably 2 years into that one to three years. And he said that was the most irresponsible thing that they could have said because you know in reality they didn't have that PSMA scan. They didn't have other things at their disposal. So, they're just telling me basically the only things they can do, but they don't offer you other alternatives. Like, they didn't tell me about this PMA scan that that was being developed and in trial and I can go do that and all these other things. And that's similar to what happened to me in Boston at the beginning. You know, they didn't tell me I could do an MRI guided biopsy, you know. They just said, "Oh, only one that you can do is a a regular biopsy without anesthesia."you know, and that's kind of a bad I know guys do it. Yeah. I mean, you're scared. Well, I I

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Yeah. I mean, you're scared. Well, I I would be No, I don't know, man. I mean, you're scared. You don't know what to do. And it's I mean, that's why I want you to tell I want everyone like you to tell your story as opposed to asking all the doctors what to do because these these experiences are I mean, it's so scary. It's even with when my dad had a stroke, it was like I I couldn't I could not believe how much chaos would start with everything and how nothing was you couldn't grasp any of these things um without hearing from other people who have been through the same thing. And I also can't believe how much you chase your treatment from state to state. I am very impressed with with that because a lot of people are afraid and want to be home. They just want to be home. They want to feel safe cuz they feel unsafe and you chased it with your wife and that's awesome. You have to. If it wasn't for my wife, um I don't know if I'd be here cuz I probably would have just listened to the first thing that the first person told me, you know, and um you know, we yeah, we chased it everywhere from Massachusetts to Florida to Chicago to to California to Minnesota. It's your world tour less. This is your freaking world tour. Yeah, I I've got a lot of air miles. I got a lot of air miles uh do doing that. But and you have to, you know, and you know, again, this is my opinion, but you

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know, again, this is my opinion, but you absolutely can't just listen to the first thing the first person tells you. Um you know, you you hear the word cancer, you get scared, you um but you you have to spend some time. Not a lot of time depending on your situation, but you got to spend some time, get a second opinion, get a third opinion. Um because not every facility, not every hospital, not every doctor, not every clinic has the same things at their disposal. And they're only going to do what they can do. And they're certainly never going to tell you anything holistically or anything naturally. And I'm absolutely one million% convinced that you you can stop the cancer from growing and you can naturally but it it's a massive massive life change and I did that. um you know I mean if one doctor's telling me I got one to three to live and I completely changed um my lifestyle um you know you you can stop it from growing you can kill it um and I believe you can do that all without the poisons of chemo and the poisons of radiation and hormone therapy and you know I don't I know nothing about breast cancer and panc pancre I know nothing about those things but I'm still convinced that those things can be

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still convinced that those things can be um dealt with both naturally and holistically as well as like I still go to my my main um doctor that I you know I I swear by him you know he does my scans and checks my blood um and that kind of thing but I do so many I've done so many other things besides just going going to the mainstream um hospitals and that kind of thing. Um what does your doctor think about what does he think? Is he cool with it all or do they get some of them get annoyed, some of them are like, "Wow, this is cool." Depends, I guess. Yeah. Well, so um you know, I'm about two years into seeing him, not now, but you know, going back. And my my PSA just kept rising and they couldn't find it. And um but it, you know, it was made me nervous because I was up into the um 9 10 range without a PSA. And usually when guys, excuse me, when guys PSA starts creeping even to one after they've had their prostate out, you know, guys are dying like from that [__] [__] [__] So, you know, the fact that Yeah. And the fact that mine was at 10 was very worrisome to my my doctor at my hospital as well as us. So that's when I really, you know, at that point I was already doing like the no sugar, the

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was already doing like the no sugar, the raw diet. I completely um was doing all kinds of anything and everything that you know you hear about. But the fact that I my PSA was was climbing, I knew that wherever this cancer was hiding, it was growing. So I had to figure out something to stop it from growing. And I started hearing about um Rick Simpson oil, which is pure 100% THC oil. And um again going back to me being on the police department as a young kid, 20 years old, I you know, and this is back in the late' 80s when you know we were locking guys up for having a roach in their ashtray. Like so like a roach. No, really. A nickel bag, a dime bag. Crazy [__] No. Yeah. Well, you know, get on the job all full of piss and vinegar. Yeah. So, like I'm like, "Oh man, you know, I don't know if I could if I can do this kind of thing, you know." So, I started, you know, I got some THE gummies and that kind of thing just to help my the my uh the stress of this whole thing and helping me relax. But I I looked really into this um it's called Rick Simpson oil or FICO full extract cannabis oil, I think it's what it stands for. And um I started doing a protocol. was supposed to be a 90-day protocol where you work up to a gram a day of pure oil.

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you work up to a gram a day of pure oil. Now, um, a gram a day, a gram is enough to probably put an elephant down. This is pure pure oil. Nothing to do, you could smoke for 50 years and you take a you do oil and you're you're messed up. So, you really start with like a grain. Yeah. I remember when I first met you on the phone. Sorry. I was interrupting you. I We have a delay. I can tell that we have a delay between us. So, I'm sorry. Sometimes I end up talking over you. I don't mean to. But, um I remember you telling me about it because when my brother was about to take it, I was like and I have the they're kids. The kids. They're not kids. They're 40 year old men, but to me they're kids because I'm 54 now. But they're they're instead of smoking weed, they they take like a little dab of rips Rick Simpson oil. And I'm like, "Wait a minute." I remember what you said and I'm like, "Well, maybe you'll be cancer-free for life, but can you walk?" Because you told me you couldn't even walk across a room when you took it. Yeah. Well, that was at the beginning. um you know so again you the it's a it's literally a you know you you titrate up and then you come you know you level off and then you come back down so it you know day I don't have the protocol in front of me but at the beginning you're literally taking like a rice grain or a quarter of a rice grain size and just putting it on a cracker or something and you know I can remember um

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something and you know I can remember um that first week I put I squeezed too much out of the little syringe thing and I'm like I don't want to waste this. So I'm like what's the difference between one rice grain at the beginning and that's where I you know I made a mistake but you you know you learn I mean you no one's ever overdosed from from THC or marijuana or anything like that and I'm a big proponent of that huge and you know I I mentioned my prior law enforcement days because back then it was taboo but I I swear by it now for medicinal reasons and and for you know many other reasons. Um, so I do this protocol and um it's a 90-day protocol and I go back to my my big doctor and he they take my blood and my PSA which was at 9 and a half dropped to four. Now there's and they were like dumbfounded and I didn't tell them. I'll be hon, you know, I didn't tell them cuz I just, you know, I I value so much being at that hospital and I I just didn't want to um, you know, play any games with that and, you know, get bounced out of there or something. Um, and they were like dumbfounded because there's no there's nothing medically that would suggest somebody's PSA going from a 9 and a half and and a recurrence down to a four, you know. and he he asked me, "Oh, is are you doing a different diet or anything like that?" And you know, so I kind of kept it to

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And you know, so I kind of kept it to myself. Um but you know, still at four suggested it's still somewhere. It's but it's not as much. And you know, some of the research that um and I don't know a whole lot about this stuff. I don't know how to, you know, some guys cook it themselves and make it and this and that. I just buy it from a dispensary. Um but you know there's there's um research to suggest that THC oil will um stop the cancer from growing which is part one and part two. It also can contribute to I'm not going to pronounce this right aptosis which which is actually cancer cells dying off. I'm going to go with you the way you pronounce it because I won't I'm not 100%. Yeah. Apat. Yeah. Somebody out there is going to, you know, probably be the last saying it right. But it's just Yeah. Um so that, you know, the fact that it went down from 9 and a half to four. Um I just kept going, you know, cuz I wanted it go down to a zero. So, I literally stayed on a it's supposed to be a 90-day protocol. I literally stayed on a gram a day for a year because it it was staying at four and I should have been happy with that. Um, you know, and then continue with my clean diet, my raw

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then continue with my clean diet, my raw diet. Um, you know, prostate cancer guys can't eat meat because prostate cancer um fuels itself on testosterone. So that's why they put you on hormone therapy and you know meat, you know, and any potential foods that have been injected with hormones or steroids to beef them up, that kind of thing. So I, you know, I had a pretty clean diet. Um, but my PSA was just staying at four and I stayed on the THC oil a gram a day for a year. And eventually it messed up my um I don't even know what it was, my um central nervous system or something to the point where I got super anxiety. No, I never had anxiety in my life. And um I did some pretty wild stuff on the police department. Nothing rattled me. And all of a sudden, I got this anxiety thing going. Had no clue how to get rid of it because I wasn't I had never dealt with anxiety. So, I got off of the I finally got off of the um the Rick Simpson oil or the T THC oil and um I want to say about 6 months later, I went for my next test at this hospital and the number is still the same, which is good and I should have just been satisfied. Um, but they find a tiny spot uh in the like behind my bladder or

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uh in the like behind my bladder or somewhere in that area of where your prostate was. And when I say tiny, I mean tiny. And and they're like, "Well, we should biopsy it." Dummy me. Says, "Okay." And you know, quote, "Routine biopsy." Well, um, and I shouldn't have just because my number wasn't going up. And that that should have been that's just my personal opinion on that. So we do this um you know I fly out there and we do this um routine biopsy somewhere behind my bladder in that area. Well, ironically the two days after my biopsy my only child my daughter she's graduating college in Rhode Island and I'm not missing that. So, I have the biopsy at like 3: 00 in the afternoon and my flight to leave there to go to Rhode Island is at like 6: 00 in the morning. The ne the very next morning have the biopsy and I'm feeling terrible. I'm feeling a lot of pain and I've had so many surgeries, neck surgeries and diaticula, you know, but so I just felt something wasn't right. Well, my layover is in O'Hare in Chicago and I'm, you know, I'm with my wife and I got to go to the bathroom and I'm in extreme pain. And this is again flying right after this biopsy. And not to get nasty graphic, but when I went to the bathroom, I was like peeing.

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went to the bathroom, I was like peeing. I was peeing like purple thick ketchup. Wow. It wasn't even red. It And you talk about pain. So, ironically, a minute after I get out of the bat bathroom at the airport, you know, in my next flight is to Rhode Island, the doctor who does the biopsy calls me and say, "Oh, how's it going? I just wanted to check in on you." I'm like, "Well, I'm in excruciating pain and I just urinated purple ketchup." And he's like, "Oh, we got to get you back here." He goes, "We got to put a catheter in." And I'm like, "Absolutely, forget that. I'm not going back there." I go, I I got to go to Rhode Island and see my daughter graduate. And then, you know, Kath is I have no interest in having one of those done, you know. So, you know, in hindsight, I should I definitely should have went back because by the time I landed in Rhode Island, I thought I would rather have been dead. That's that's how how uncomfortable I was. So instead of, you know, my daughter picks me up and we go right to a hospital in Wood Allen where I spend the next seven or 10 days until the other hospital can get me back there. Well, they punctured my bladder during that routine the routine biopsy. God. So that's what I that's what that purple Oh. Well, what what is the [__] purple ketchup thing? What is it? Why Why did that happen? That's urine and pus and diet. Oh, what? Well, because my blad my bladder is

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Well, because my blad my bladder is mortified. Yeah. Well, and that sent me on a a yearong tizzy like of just nasty [__] [__] [__] God. Um, yeah. They punctured my bladder. So, whatever. I don't know the physics of all that stuff, but um you know, I was internally bleeding and it was in my bladder and I was urinate. It was in my I was urinating in it out, but it was so septic, I guess, that it was like purplish and it was thick and it was horrible. So, um, so they sent me, so I I get to that, uh, hospital in Rhode Island and I, you know, I have to tell the the hospital that that I still go to. I don't know why, but um and immediately they they want me back there. But the problem is I jumped on a plane right away and now my legs are full of my lungs are full of blood clots from I had all this blood flowing, you know, loose inside me and the fact that I flew right away. My god, that this hospital that that did this has completely changed their protocol. They won't let people leave and for 24 hours and jump on planes and stuff. But um Wow. So eventually I get um you know they're trying to figure out how to get me from Rhode Island to the Midwest to back to that hospital that punctured my bladder. And

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that punctured my bladder. And why did you want to go back there? You know, well I don't know. I didn't I wasn't happy with where I was in Rhode Island and I I wanted my quote my team, you know, my my main guy is there who suggested the biopsy. He didn't do it. you know, he sent me to that that department. This is the guy who sent you the mixtape, you know. I just wanted I just Yeah. He's not the one who did the biopsy, but he he's Yeah. I still swear by him, you know, like, you know, and it was probably a freak thing, you know, but at the same time, the size of that spot now that I know, I I never should have had that biopsy done. Um, so is that what they told you they should have left it? Do they Is that a thing? Like that because No, but it turned out to be benign anyway. Oh, my nummy. Yeah. Are you kidding me? It wasn't even It didn't even test positive. Yeah. And I had a Yeah. It was just a um You know, they want me back in the worst way. You know, I had friends that contemplated driving me. It was about would have been like a 28 hour drive cuz I was bad like in Rhode Island like I don't know if you've ever seen a a guy with a catheter or anything you know it's essentially plenty many actually too many yeah it's so it's Yeah. So you know it's

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yeah it's so it's Yeah. So you know it's generally a bag that just has urine in it. all for a week. Mine was purple, you know, which just suggested I had that much blood like down there. Whatever they punctured was just continuously the bleeding. And the problem that they were having in Rhode Island was they're trying to get the blood clots to um stop. So they but they needed my clot to stop in that bladder area. So, and you know the funny part about the whole scenario there, neither of those doctors talk to each other. So, one's giving me medicine to clot down there, which would make the blood clots and my lungs stay stay there, you know. So, it was just such a back and forth thing, which is why that the other hospital wanted me back there because they weren't comfortable with what Rhode Island was doing. So the other chaos one who kind of punctured my bladder, they offered to send Oh, it was definitely And I missed my daughter's graduation. Um did she miss her graduation? So um No, I would. No, she stayed with me and I told her she's she's going to go. No, she went. Of course she went. I totally made her go. Yeah. I understand the whole clotting scenario very well because of my dad having had a stroke. Um, and then my brother also had a stroke from his tumor in his brain. So the balance and the dance between the blood thinners and

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the dance between the blood thinners and the coagulants is is a really tricky tricky thing, man. Yeah. So I understand what that Yeah. what that feels like. And again, you know, it kind of goes back to what you were saying earlier, like I had to pay attention to everything because I know that the team that came in for the blood clots had no interest in what was going on down there near my bladder and vice versa. So, you know, I had to like constantly remind them every time they wanted to put me on something different, well, does that interact with what the urology departments got me on? And you know, so it was just, you know, a constant mental um battle while I'm I'm in the hospital. Yeah, that's scary. There should be literally every two hours. We need health managers. I think that should be a new job title for people where there someone comes in and helps somebody oversee the entire body, the holistic body with all of the medic, you know, all of Western medicine. But it really when like when when someone has a stroke, man, and even with cancer, there's so many different things happening at once that need to be addressed and you're fighting for your life and fighting for your sanity and praying for a miracle. You can't manage all this and then your wife is freaking out that she doesn't know what's going to happen to her partner. the any amount of help in a situation like that would be

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be be yeah that was uh that's a big thing for me when I watched a lot of my family members go cuz I used to be the advocate for my dad but then I was pregnant and I was dealing with my own stuff when he was getting sick so it it was just Anyway continue I'm just sharing my two cents go what happened next le no you're hitting a nail on the head there. I mean, it takes a toll on the family. Like my poor wife, you know, she was 52 at the time and dealing with her own stuff that women go through at that age and now I just dump my my life on her. Yeah. So, like she's neglected herself, so to speak, you know, to take care of me, you know, and the same thing with my daughter and everything. So, it doesn't just affect the the guy that's going through it like yourself. you took care of your brother, your dad, and it affects everybody. Um, so I I'm in Rhode Island Hospital waiting for somehow to get back to the Midwest, and they call and say, "Well, what you know, we need you back here, so we're going to send the the um the hospital plane and we'll have two nurses on there." Nice. And you know, they had it all mapped out which small airport they were picking me up, blah. So the next morning, I get ready. They technically discharged me from Rhode Island. And I get a call from somebody at that mid Midwest hospital there and said, "Oh, Mr. Dunar,

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hospital there and said, "Oh, Mr. Dunar, I'm sorry. Your your um your health coverage, I got great health coverage. I got, you know, from my law enforcement days and my wife, but they denied it. They denied paying for the plane. So unless you come up with $ 32, 000 out of pocket, we, you know, we can't bring you." I'm like, "Well, that's not what the doctor told me yesterday, but you know, it is what it is. Um, so you know, a week later I was able to fly. Um, I, you know, ironically, my doctor said, "Don't let them put a nest tube in you." So, in the frosted me tube, if you're not familiar with that, is they jam this tube literally in your back while you're awake. Um, and then down your kidneys into your kidney and it it's supposed to relieve fluid or something. I don't exactly know what a nephrotomy tube is. All I know is that they said don't let them do that to you because they wanted to do that in in Rhode Island. So, what happens the first thing I get back to that hospital in in Midwest, they jam a nefrotomy tube in me. And to this day, I have side effects to that because I think they just went through all muscle and the scar tissue that that caused and and the nefromy tube didn't do anything, you know. It just essentially they build my insurance probably who knows how much um for something that they said they didn't need. They never used it. And I've got for the rest of my life like I I haven't had a day that's 5 years or so ago where

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had a day that's 5 years or so ago where I haven't felt where they some sort of issue where they jam that frosted me too in me. Oh, now I want to know what the [__] it is. Less, I'm gonna be googling that [__] all night. Yeah, tube. Yeah, it it um nefrosttomy. N P H R O for S T O M O Y something like that. They it you know, it's all related to like like kidneys and urinating and all that stuff. Um you know, because they I guess if my bladder stopped working and they couldn't I don't even know. I'm just going I'd be be guessing. But people know what nephrosttomy tubes are. If not, you can Google it. But they they jam that damn thing in while you're awake. And um it Oh, it's not going to hurt. Well, [__] It It hurt like a bastard. It It was I don't know if I can talk like that, but you can talk like any way you want. You're with me. Yeah. You know. Yeah. It's um You've worked with me for a few hours, you know. Yeah. For sure. Um, so so you felt it going you felt this tube going down your back? Yeah. You know, it it felt like a metal poker, you know, and they they literally, you know, it enters halfway, you know, kind of underneath your armpit area and, you know, the tubes like this big. Always have it felt that big. And they just jammed it in. And, you know, they go through muscle for sure. They have to when it enters your kidney or I

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have to when it enters your kidney or I don't even know exactly. I So it's not guided some of that stuff out of my mind. Yeah, I don't blame you. I mean, but I won't press it. No, it was I remember being on the machine and it's definitely guided. Um, but they guided it wrong or something because it not only did it hurt, I still have I have side effects from that to this day. Um, and it what they never did anything with It was just an unnecessary thing that they said to the hospital in Rhode Island, don't let them do it to you. Um, so I'm off of the RSO at that point. Um, I think this is right around the time that you and I met, which was would have been in um COVID year. And um did I Where were we? Were you here? You came to California. Yeah, I was out there. We Right. I did. Yeah. Um, yeah, I think it was towards the end of CO. Yeah, it was towards the end of CO because some of the some of your castmates when I met them in New York were like, I don't want to see you if you didn't get the the facts. And I think you and I had a chat about that. Um, think we were fine. I think you and I were fine together. Yeah. Um, everybody was fine. Um, yeah. So, um, shortly thereafter, not shortly,

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So, um, shortly thereafter, not shortly, but maybe a year or two later, uh, my PSA starts creeping up again. You know, at this point, I'm not doing oil. I'm kind of just winging it. You know, I'm going through, not going through the motions, but I'm, you know, keeping my diet clean, no sugar, all that kind of thing, but I'm not doing anything active as far as, um, holistic treatments and and that kind of thing. And my PSA started to creep again. And I go back to that, you know, for my every three months I'm I'm on a plane heading back for my scan and my blood test. And um they find three or four small spots in my chest area that they think might be might have been hidden, which is remember way back in my story here, I said that they couldn't find it. Well, they're telling me that those are probably the spots that were they were still causing my number to be up. So, um after the first biopsy, for whatever reason, I let them do another one and it confirmed that those spots were definitely um prostate cancerh cells, which you know, they call it prostate cancer no matter where it goes after um afterwards. So they they sent me to another floor to meet with a chemo guy and I'm like I'm not interested in doing this. That that was just me. I'm not saying people based on what I'm saying shouldn't do it. But totally

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totally totally I you know my number wasn't that high. Um and at this point my wife and I and mostly my wife because she's she's just constant research. um we start hearing about Ivormectin and Fenbenzanol and how how people are having success with that. So we go into the meeting with the the chemo doctor at this big big hospital and he says he wants to I figure out how many rounds of chemo and he wants to put me on hormone therapy and all this that and the other nonsense. Um I shouldn't call it nonsense but it uh it's okay. And um it's your journey, ma'am. This is your journey. This is your life. What fits for you doesn't fit for the guy next door. I'll never do it at this point. Okay. Yeah. We never know what we're going to do. At this point, we know, you know, at this point, we know that I've got positive metastases um to some spots in my chest area. Um I didn't think of doing you know just the RSO again the THC oil you know because my concern admittedly was okay we found spots that have been confirmed prostate cancer cells that have moved moved to other places and they want to do chemo and hormone therapy and you know I'm up in the air with it and my wife's up in the air with it and we just told them hey we need some time but

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just told them hey we need some time but before we leave my wife says have you ever heard heard of Ivormect and Friendbenz and he kind of looks up at her, looks back down and doesn't answer. So I say to my wife, I I guess he doesn't want to answer it, you know, right in his presence. And he says, um, well, I've heard of Ivormectin, but I don't know anything about the other one. And, um, that's really all I can say. So we, you know, we leave there, we fly back to Florida, and right away I find um a doctor down here um who's just, you know, he's a medical doctor, but he doesn't do any traditional medical doctor stuff anymore. He does all holistic uh type treatments, alternative stuff. And he prescribes me a prescription for Ivormectin, for Ivormectin only. And I don't remember exactly what my dosage was, but I think I was doing five days on, three days off, which is considered kind of light in reality. And I do that for two months. And I don't do the chemo. I don't do the hormone therapy. And I now it's time to go back to my doctor out west. and they do my blood work which it's the same but they do my scans and all my spots are gone. So the Ivormectin in my opinion was the only thing I did got rid of these five

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only thing I did got rid of these five spots I had in my chest that through a biopsy was confirmed to be prostate cancer cells. So the urologist, my guy, he's like, "Wow." He was, "I guess we don't have to do um chemo." And I'm like, "Yeah, that I guess we don't." But he sends me back up to the the chemo department just to get a second opinion from uh that guy, that doctor. And I tell him what I did. And I get a message about an hour later on my portal saying I've been excluded from his his practice for um experimental things that could harm me. So I said harm you or him. I'm sorry that can harm you or him. They didn't want this is your m this is the mixtape doctor that can harm me. No. This is the chemo doctor. Okay. Oh, so you didn't even know this guy that well yet? The mixed? No, I didn't know him at all. No, I don't know him at all and I'll I don't want to know him at all. He um I got a cold plunge. Uh is your wife vacuuming? No, it's a cold. The cold Wait a second. She's in the other part of the hub.

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She's in the other part of the hub. That's your cold plunge going? Yeah, it must have got hot in here. That better. Um, Les, first I want you to explain to me what the [__] you mean by that's the cold plunge and then we're going back. So, I All right. I bought a cold plunge. Um, I do cold plunges now every day. Um, probably for the last three or four months. My I got a lot of inflammation in me and that kind of thing and they've been great for uh for that. And I do infrared sauna every day and cold plunger every day. So it was easy to buy one and have it here. Wow. You're a real [__] hippie then, man. You're doing all the hippie stuff. Isn't it amazing how I how it's crazy punching, you know? Yeah, everyone does now. I won't I can't do it. I jump in my pool sometimes and then I want to kill everybody afterwards, but it really is great. You could do it. And that's how I trained myself. Uh because everything's about getting, you know, getting your body used to it, getting your mind used to it. And you know, being in Florida, the pools in the dead of the winter, you know, they're cold. They're like 50 ° or whatever they are. Yeah. So that's how I I started training to and you know, taking a cold shower and now I I do five and a half minutes a day at 42 degrees and it's the best feeling when you get out of that cold punch. Yeah. I mean people that do them and they'll say the same thing.

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they'll say the same thing. Yeah. Everyone loves it. My boyfriend was doing it for a while. People do it in I feel like a lot of people start and then they don't continue doing it. But for inflammation, I mean, there's a famous story that my friend Tana was telling me, who I also interviewed about her cancer journey about someone who had a huge tumor in their neck who said, "I just want to swim this lake or this something or other um and then I'll start my treatment." And then from that time spent in the water and training to swim this lake, the c the the tumor completely went down. um some crazy story like I don't really know it'll be in my other it's in my other episode but yeah so I guess there is a lot of um so anyway back to the ivormectton keep telling me so because the sound was happening I kind of missed some of it because of the cold plunge was happening can you just tell me one more time you had how many spots on your lungs I had they they weren't necessarily on my lungs but they were in my chest cavity area. I had five and they weren't, you know, big large tumors, but they were large enough where they could biopsy them and it came back positive for um where my prostate cancer metastasized to. Um so instead of doing the chemo, I did um some um cycles of ivormectin. How much did you take of it?

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I was doing um five days on, five days off, which which is considered I think light. And you know, most people would say, "Oh, that's that's a low dosage." Um but just that low dosage was enough to make those those spots go away. Yeah. And you have to do how I mean when I take it for um I take it when I think you know when we all thought that COVID was going to kill us. I would take it for that. Now I even take it if I feel like I'm getting like a flu type thing. Um sorry we're like right on the street right now. I don't know if you can hear the cars going by. But I take my body weight. I take the what they they prescribe your body weight for it. Like I if I I take like 24 milligrams for me for my size. But for cancer, don't they ask you to like double down on that or um how does that work? They do. And oh um I'll be honest like I just followed what my local holistic taken. No. Yeah. Well that's true. I do listen to her. She's Sicilian, so I listen to a lot of what she says. Otherwise, I'm in the [__] Yeah. Um Yeah. No, I I um I only did, I believe, 18 milligrams a day, five days on, five off. And that is

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five days on, five off. And that is considered low. Um that's really low. Yeah. That's Yeah. I um and you know I I'm not taking it now, but I've got a situation that's developed. Um talk about the highs and lows where I'm in a low. Um some issues again. I'm sorry. You're in a low now. Yeah. So Oh, no. What? I I am. Yeah. Wait, tell me. Okay, hold on. Before you tell me that, tell me real quick. You got rid of those spots with the ivormectin? 100%. I did nothing different. I wasn't doing um I didn't do any uh radiation or anything like that. I didn't even do the THC oil. I went right from my doctor's office who wanted me to do chemo to back to Florida and started Ivormectton right away. And two months later, when I went back to my doctor and had a a PSMA scan and a blood test, those spots were gone. That was in your in the tissue of your chest, like the soft tissue. It wasn't in your lungs. Okay. They weren't in my lungs. No. And then how long were you cancerree at that point? Geez. um

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about a year and a half, maybe a little bit longer. Times just I don't wear a watch anymore. Um I don't want to know time anymore. It's kind of weird thing, but I lose track of figuring out times, but I'm going to say it's probably about two years. Um yeah, no, maybe about a year and a half. So, um, when all that happens, gez, I think I'm going to live to 150 because I've got this whole thing figured out and, um, you know, I don't do the THC stuff anymore. I'm not doing Ivormectin daily or anything. Well, so we decide um you know, we we had a big home in Florida on the water that um we were lucky enough to we had a smaller home and it was in a very desirable area and somebody offered me a boatload. Anyway, we we bought we flipped that into this massive house on the water and um we decided, you know, we stayed there for 5 years. Uh, and we decided that, you know, we're going to downsize a little bit and um, we put the house up for sale and we had the house sold and we had a brand new house that was built um, in the com again on the water, but it was a smaller house but brand new, no worries and that kind of thing. And then all a sudden the hurricanes come in 2024. And the first hurricane, which is Helen, put uh 3 and 1 / 2 ft of water into our first

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uh 3 and 1 / 2 ft of water into our first floor. Two bedrooms, a kitchen, an in-law suite, theater room. Um and it's destroyed. Like everything that we own. Every every photograph that I had of my daughter, every note she wrote me as a little girl. um all the furniture, appliances, um and we're supposed to close on this house in two weeks. Well, ironically, my buyer still wanted to buy the house. So, we spend the next seven days scrambling. You know, we were home during the flood when the flood came in. And my wife and I are running up and down from the second floor to the first floor trying to bring stuff upstairs to save it and that kind of thing. Um, so we we spend the next week um spending a lot of money ripping everything out, having contractors come in because the whole house was stuckco, so we didn't have to do drywall damage or anything. But the house we were selling as furnished, so we had to buy all new furniture, all new appliances for everything that got ruined. And just as we're almost ready to be done, well, they forecast another hurricane, hurricane Milton, and that one is going to be a category five to hit Siesta Key, which was where we live, head on. And um now we're 6 days from closing on the house and Hurricane Milton proceeds to blow the roof right off my house. We've evacuated to Fort Lauderdale, the

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We've evacuated to Fort Lauderdale, the other coast. We have Fort Labrador, so we had to find a hotel to take them. And we come back and it blows the roof right off my house. You know, all the ceilings have collapsed. And that was August. No, I'm sorry, October of 24. And here we are, mid November of 25, 13 months later. And I've been battling with insurance. And insurance is the biggest scam industry that's out there. And no offense to any good people that are in the insurance industry, but um it's been brutal. And talk about stress. Well, I I let the stress get to me bad. And um you know, because it was two steps forward, five steps back, the house got looted. Um, I mean, you name what could happen, it happened with with um with us in this house that we were supposed to close six days later and lived happily ever after in this downsized house that is brand new. So, I I admittedly um kind of get off the wagon a little bit, not with my diet or anything like that, but the you know, you don't think stress, you know, you don't think it's bothering you, but Oh, it's wre havoc on me. And then and um so I went um six months ago and my PSA was rising, but they still weren't finding anything. Well, I

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still weren't finding anything. Well, I went back uh 3 weeks ago and my PSA is still rising and they found spots. So, it's in my lymph system now. And you know, the scan showed that my body is just filled with inflammation. And he's like, "Are you under any stress?" And I had to like explain that whole the whole thing. He was like, "Well, it's it's now you've got spots again in your chest, different areas. You've got spots in your pelvis area and lymph nodes. So, it's traveling my lymph system and in a spot in my neck somewhere. Um, and I'm not honestly I'm not worried about it, but um I got to figure this stress thing out. And you know, I'm going back on the ivormectin. I'm going to do fenzinol. um and you know some other things you know um the blue I don't know a whole bunch of other stuff but I got my appointment this week with my my local um my local holistic doctor but it's the stress you know I had no stress in my life until this year and you know it's not just the hurricanes it's it's the dealing with the insurance company and the adjusters you it. Yeah. You know, you you know, I know you you lose everything, you know, and the people that help you, the people who don't help you, like um yeah, the stress and I unfortunately like I'm I'm a pretty loyal guy and I

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like I'm I'm a pretty loyal guy and I and I'm a pretty passionate guy. So, unfortunately with with that, I hold in all the stress and sometimes bitterness and it's, you know, proof that uh you know, stress is killing me, so to speak. if uh no figure out. I saw that I saw the pictures of your house. That's that is um that's astounding, man. That is not that that was what that's basically what we were watching on the news. And it's I mean, for lack of a better expression, truthfully, it's like dealing with the insurance companies and dealing with the weather systems lately. To me, that's just another cancer in society. Yeah. Well, I'm all over that story. And that is very upsetting to me. And I I'm always investigating that non-stop. And and I do think that there's such a huge um these all these pieces of the puzzle really fit together after a while. It's like it's just it's kind of like us against them. Like they're just throwing stuff at us continuously. Whether it's toxins or, you know, insane weather systems or your insurance company or there's just so much going on all the time. And the stress thing when I was dealing with my insurance company, um, I

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dealing with my insurance company, um, I had never dealt with it before and I never had to deal with anything as catastrophic as well, my house burned down in a fire. I don't know if you know that. Um, but I let it go. I just let it go. I don't know the details. Yeah, my house burned in a fire. I lost everything and there was nothing to recover. There was nothing to rebuild. I didn't own it, but I still lived there for many years. Um, but then my house here flooded. And I think you know that story because I came to you to do an autograph signing when I was broke. Um, because I because of the whole mandates and all that [__] And then I my house went into foreclosure and then the house flooded while I was in foreclosure. So I couldn't sell it. If I could have sold it, I would have been okay, but I couldn't sell it because of the flood. So I had water six feet up into the walls. Maybe I didn't speak to you at that point. Maybe we did the signing before. I don't remember. But either way, all I'm saying is, you know, I was worried about cancer. I was worried about a heart attack. I was worried about everything that causes stress because I really do see the correlation with that. I saw it with my dad who died of cancer. Um, but my dad had a lot of other complications first. So, it wasn't just the cancer. Um it was a stroke that really was the big thing. And then my brother was the opposite. He had the cancer first and then got the stroke. Um then the cancer um got worse.

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stroke. Um then the cancer um got worse. Um it's just all chaotic and insane. My brother had just turned 60. He was totally healthy. Um and I didn't take care of my brother at all. I just went to visit him towards the end. he and I weren't really we didn't really speak to each other that much. Um once both my parents were gone, you know, we all kind of just drifted apart. But um but once that happened, I was, you know, I tried to be around him as much as I possibly could just so that he could see his family and his familiar. I mean, he has his kids and his his real family, but you know, I'm still the I'm the old family. You know, I'm a little remnant of mommy and daddy kind of stuff. But it ravaged him, man. It it really [__] took him out. And there was it grew so fast. It was so fast. He was gone within a year less um with all the complications. Wow. And I, you know, I don't know how far they went with the alternative stuff, but they definitely went western. And I think it also wre havoc, you know, but it was um it was bombastic when it started to grow. Like by the end his neck was out to here, you know, you could see it. That's why I asked you about your chest cuz he, you know, there were little, you know, spots on the chest and stuff like that. Um, and it probably had gotten into different areas, but but my

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gotten into different areas, but but my girlfriend Tana, she it was in her lymph, I think, and she um I always promote this place. I know you like to travel. And I know you like to be on the water for Okay. Well, here's my uh here's my two cents on the water anymore. Yeah. No. Well, maybe the wife wants to go sit on the water in Mexico for a month because this place we're going to go film there. I think we're going to go interview the doctor there. But this is they'll do western stuff, but they're treating you like completely. They're it's a holistic approach. The name of the place is Sanviv Clinic. Um, and it's pretty pretty remarkable. And they they do the cold plunges. They do if they do have to give you chemo. And I couldn't believe this. I couldn't believe when she told me this cuz she just went there as a companion. So when you go, you bring your your wife would pay $ 100 a week to be there, right? It's like or a day. It's something like that. 100 bucks a day. and she can use all the facilities and and do all the stuff there. But um if they say they were to give you chemo, if you had to have it, if you chose that's what you wanted, they would start extracting all the extra chemo out of you. They'll they put you in some What did she say it was? Like a h was it hypothermia or hypo what what the hell was it? They put you in some tank where

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was it? They put you in some tank where they make you sweat out all the bad chemo. So, it only goes I shouldn't be talking about this because I don't know what I'm talking about and I'm not a doctor, but this clinic is very [__] cool and I really dig all of the stuff that I'm hearing about it because they're doing all the stuff you're talking about. Um, and they create this atmosphere for you that is they support everything. you're not in need of like 24-hour care like my brother was. He couldn't walk across the room, but um in a situation like yours, you'd be really be able to take charge of your own well-being in there and they really attack you from every angle um with all the modalities that you like that are in functional medicine plus the holistic stuff. Um but you should check it out. It's not cheap, but they a lot of people walk out of there cancer free, but you have to maintain the lifestyle again and you can't be stressed out. That's the other thing. No stress. You absolutely you're hitting a nail on the head. You it you have to maintain the lifestyle and I have it and I haven't been stressree, but I know what I've done in the past um to fix this and I know I can do it again. Um, you know, we we finally got out of our rental. Um, we had to be in a rental for a year right after the hurricane, like what do we the next day cuz the roof was

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what do we the next day cuz the roof was gone and we had four dogs. So, we we went into this, you know, a smaller home and literally every day that I'd come home or, you know, being in the house, I still felt like I was in hurricane panic mode because it was just such a reminder of this of that hurricane. And um so we second mortgaged and just moved into a house, a new house that we bought two weeks ago. And I literally can feel the weight off my shoulders already. Oh, good. I can feel that I'm less stressed. So, you know, I I got some positive outlook as far as that stuff goes. And um I'm meeting with my my local um my local doctor here to see get his opinion on um an ivormectin and fen benzinol. and you know, methylane blue or whatever it's called and, you know, any of these other things. There's so many different things. And but I actually would wouldn't mind um I'll I'll text you later getting the name of that uh facility in Mexico you mentioned. There's a Have you listened to Dr. uh John Campbell on YouTube? I think that's his name. Is it John Campbell? He always has all these great doctors on. He was talking to Dr. Mackis, who I don't know if that's the protocol you followed. Do you know who Dr. Mackis is? He was the guy he's an I think he's a radiation oncologist and he was dealing with uh with I think COVID and he discovered Ivormectin was great for

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discovered Ivormectin was great for cancer. He's one of those doctors. But this Dr. Campbell also interviewed and I always bring this up because I'm so fascinated by it. this old English doctor, his name is Dr. Ang uh Angus Danglish maybe, but they talk about Nal Trexon. Have you ever heard of Nrexon? I when I was young, I had to take it cuz I used to, you know, take a lot of drugs I shouldn't have taken and they're opiate blockers. So, when I was 21 years old, I was prescribed this stuff called Nrexon. I think it's I don't think it's like Narcan what all the kids are taking now. You know, kids are ordered to have this drug in their backpacks in case they overdose on fentinyl. I can't believe this is the world we live in. But but nrexon well we I don't know if it's the same stuff. I don't think it is. But Nrexon is a there's something about the properties with Nrexon and cancer where it stops the growth or it stops sending the the messages or I don't understand it. I'm trying to get the guy to come on and talk about it because I feel like it's something people should know about. But it's another sort of repurposed innovative drug. There are a lot of doctors actually talking about it. Um, of course I'm not giving medical advice. I I'm just talking to my friend here who

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I I'm just talking to my friend here who doesn't want to do the normal stuff. And who knows, he might do the normal stuff. But you know, they say even with some of that stuff, no, I was listening that um that if you take some of these other modalities, these these other supplemental things, you can cut your chemo treatment if you have it in in half. or some of them have s like a synergistic relationship where they support each other in this very strange way. Um I'm super interested in learning more about that. So I'm always asking questions. Yeah. So and I don't know if they just say that so that they try to keep, you know, keep pharma happy. I don't know if that's like let's just play ball with the bad guys. It's not always the bad guys, but in some instances, and you know, especially with this age-old cancer thing, I mean, we have all these incredible inventions and all of this wild technology, but yet we still haven't figured this one out. That's hard to believe, you know. So, yeah. I I believe that they know how to Yeah, that's probably another another topic for another day, but um yeah, I'm convinced to that. Um, another thing that I do and I just started doing it a month a uh two months ago is um fasting. I do water fasts. I do um once a month I do three days of water fasting and I feel t tremendous. Um, and

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fasting and I feel t tremendous. Um, and I Ice once a month you said three days I I do just uh Yeah, I do a three-day fast and then like I'm going to you know my next one I'm Oh, no. I didn't say anything. I almost did, but I didn't. Oh, okay. Yeah, I thought I I was stepping on you there. No, yeah. No, they say water fast is great for for cancer as well. you know, you're technically starving the the cancer cells and it it activates your own um stem cells and they say there's great great things um with with water fasting and you know I've lost weight with it and I I feel great and when I whenever I do a three-day water fast and they're not as difficult as as people think they are. You'd have to lock me in a [__] closet and throw away the key to get me to water fast. But I know it's important. I mean, people are saying now cuz I I'm talking to a lot of vaccine injured um that the water fasting actually can help um with some of the effects of all the injuries from the vaccines. Um I think that's another another thing that I heard somebody talking about. But um I mean my doctor swears by it. absolutely swears is by fasting to bring down inflammation and and to just reset your body. I just always wonder what happens after the 3

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always wonder what happens after the 3 days and you go back to normal. But how tell me how you eat normally now. Okay. So I know that for pro prostate cancer stay away from red meat even if it's hormone free and even if it's um Yeah. You want to know why? because I'm paranoid and I don't believe anybody, you know, I've been burned by so many, you know, like I I'm sure there are farms that are hormone free and steroid free and grass-fed only, but how do you know, like I mean, you know, the whole thing with um the or the organic and one of those big chains, they found out that 90% of their organic stuff wasn't organic. And so I mean I don't have any um desires or cravings for red meat cuz I haven't had it for so long. Um so that's you know I definitely no sugar and that's just not like you know table sugar like everything's got sugar in it. So if you're going to go no sugar you got to read labels. No um you know I I will do some fruit. Um not the high sugar fruits. You know I try to stay away from grapes and stuff. Um, but blueberries are are fantastic. I have a a plate of blueberries in bed every night frozen. Yeah, I have them frozen. Oh, you read that somewhere, too? Me, too. Yeah. What is it? I think my my wife Marsha read that.

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I think my my wife Marsha read that. I love Marsha. Marca needs to be on the show and talk about how she uh she was the FBI, the Female Bureau of Investigations, taking care of her husband. Yeah, she she um you know I again I've done a lot of serious [__] in my life and I think the only person that scares me is my wife, you know, she she's a tough kid, you know. She Yeah, especially when she was on the job, too. Um Yeah. You know, yeah. No, she she's probably more knowledgeable with this stuff than I am. Um she was. Yeah, she was. Was she a street cop? Was she on the street? Was she a detective? Was she playing clothesman? What was she? She wore the uniform. No, she was a She wore a uniform. Yeah. Nice. I like it. Nothing like it. No. Yeah. Okay. Now we're lightening up the podcast. Marsha on the Street. I like it. So, you guys both retired around the same time? We did. Um, I retired early because I got on early and um, she got into a serious car accident. Um, so she retired early. She only did, I think, six or seven years. Um, she got broadsided by another police car going to a gun call. She's going through the green light and he's going

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through the green light and he's going through the red light. And she broke all kinds of stuff in her. And uh she still has headaches, you know, 15 years later and you know, all kinds of problems with it. Wow. Oh, I'm sorry. Um do do you guys know who Joe Despensza is? Yeah, that's it. Yeah. You know, back to that. Um I don't know him personally, but me neither, but I did when I was having those issues, remember the anxiety and what all that? Yeah. I um I don't listen to him as much now as I used to. Um, but yeah, I've heard of him, Gary Brea. Um, I don't know if you've heard of him. I don't know Gary Brea. Everyone keeps telling I mean, I used to listen to Greg Braden a lot, but now everyone's talking about him again for the vaccine stuff, which I think is interesting. Um, I don't know how you can meditate away and pray, you know, all of that sort of assault on the body with all that stuff that's now attached to all your, you know, your body gets sort of bombarded by a lot of the stuff in that technology. And now they're talking about using these guys to um to meditate a lot of this stuff into or out of existence, which I think is real powerful. And it it doesn't hurt to try, man.

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try, man. Yeah. No, I I'm a big believer in that. Um, my problem unfortunately is I've had so much on a daily basis. Like I can't over the last year I haven't had a free space in my head. you know, I I tried listening to him or some of those other ones and my it's just I start thinking about insurance or I mean, they've thrown so many curve balls at me that it it's you weren't even um just when you think there's light at the end of the tunnel or they're throwing you a life raft, you know, they're just dunking you back in. Well, I feel like that's when you would need to get as quiet as possible, even more so, and and tell yourself, "Fuck all that. [__] all this. The only thing that matters is this body, cuz without this body, that house means nothing to me." Um, you know, or to your wife. Who would want you beside her? Right. Yeah. I've I've um I've all but given up, you know, needing that house or wanting that house. Um you know, unfortunately, it financially put me, you know, I went from like financial freedom to financial prison. Um yeah, you know, the the funny part is the insurance company that won't pay me is making me put full insurance on a house with no roof and all the ceilings collapsed. So, I still have to pay full insurance, full mortgage, full taxes.

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insurance, full mortgage, full taxes. It's just it's it I don't even understand it. I mean, I got something from flood insurance saying they'll never pay me any proceeds from a flood because my house was on is on the water and now those first floors technically aren't supposed to be there, but yet I'm forced to pay flood insurance even though they won't they admit they won't pay me for a flood claim. Like, it there's something wrong with the system. So, this doesn't sound very different from what's happening in Malibu over the fires. I mean, it sounds like they just want to take your property. Is that because I mean, well, I thought your house was I thought that you rebuilt the roof. The last time I had spoken to you, the roof I mean, your house is beautiful, by the way. This is one of those kind of houses on the water. I mean, I was blown away when you sent me a picture of the house and then I was even more blown away by seeing the roof completely caved in. That's insane. That's from water or did a tree fall on the house? Yeah. Did a tree fall on it? No, the we No, we got hit with a um a micro burst. So, it blew my roof completed my roof completely from the house. They found full sheets of plywood with the roof pieces on it eight houses away. Like that's how bad it blew the roof off my house. The our engineer said when the roof came off the house, it it actually lifted the house from the foundation.

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lifted the house from the foundation. And um you know, our county here has um essentially said it's it's a total loss. They were only taxing me now on the land, but yet insurance isn't paying me the full amount yet. had given me like 30% of what it'll cost to to rebuild that house. You know, I ended up turning it over to an attorney. So, New York says house is done. There's been no So, when the roof blew off, that's where all the air conditions were, where all the, you know, main stuff to the electrical. So, all the electrical shot. None of the air conditions have worked in the middle of the summer in in Florida. So, the whole house is completely mold. And when the roof blew off, it rained for like another 8 ines of rain during the hurricane. So all those ceilings absorb took on water inside the house. So that's why the ceilings on the inside have dropped cuz they just took on so much water. My whole neighborhood was filled with with pink insulation. all my neighbors houses, all their trees because when the roof blew off, it sucked all the insulation right out with it and it scattered it all over the neighborhood. Holy [__] I didn't, you know, I I was more focused on, you know, what had happened to you in the past. I did not know that it I mean, obviously, yes, all of these I think we were focused so much more on um on North Carolina at that time. Um, I didn't even

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Carolina at that time. Um, I didn't even realize how faking bad it was over there in Florida. Unbelievable, man. Yeah, I live it. I live in Siesta Key and everybody got pounded in Siesta Key. Not, you know, as bad as me, you know, some were worse actually. Um, my next door neighbor whose house was a year old didn't have a scratch on it. So, it's just it's crazy. Yeah, I we got hit with a micro burst and you missed him. What is a micro burst? Sounds like some sounds like a directed energy. I'm not a meteorologist or anything like that. Yeah. Well, um it's we got hit with the eye of the storm like so we took a direct hit and I guess a micro burst is like a little tornado that's part of a hurricane or all I know is the engineer you know looked it up and we took a direct hit and he said from a micro burst. So I think that's what um you know and I think we got hit at category four right on the water at the Gulf. So when it came in from the Gulf, we took a direct hit and that's why it blew my roof and all the everything it moved my chimney which is a massive cement chimney like a foot off its base. Took part of the chimney with it. Was your house on stilts? Was it on stilts in like right by your It is. Wow. I mean cuz you're in the water. Your house is basically in the water.

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Yeah, the first storm um Hela essentially surrounded us um because we've got we were on an island and you know the water just rose and you know Siesta Key in Sarasota didn't even get the hurricane of the we got water rising. We didn't get a direct hit, but the water rose so much that you know the canals and everything. I mean, I still have crabs and fish in my pool. Well, we had fish all around the yard like that. We were completely surrounded by salt water. I mean, how do you feel about Florida right now? Are you afraid to be in Florida? No, because whoever whoever sent this storm on us for the first time in hundred years probably gave us a break. We have We didn't even get a windstorm this year during hurricane season, but last year they whacked and three of them. Yeah. Do you pay attention to uh That's a whole another Yeah, it's another pop. I mean, we do we're we talk about that on the show. So, you can talk about it on on this show. This is conspiracy central. But guess what? It's not a conspiracy theory anymore. Did you see the news yesterday? No. They're talk Congress is talking all about the geoengineering now. It's all over the place. It's done. There's not They can't fake it. They can't try to talk it out. Talk it off. They're going to try to normalize it now. They're going to try to normalize that we need it because of the sun or something. But I mean, that was why I started the

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I mean, that was why I started the podcast to begin with was to talk about geoengineering. Um, but they are ruining um they're ruining lives first and foremost while they're trying to take land for whatever purposes. Um, it's it's apocalyptic, man. It's absolutely crazy. But maybe you're just um keep trying to just tell people that uh she is Marsha. Marsha knows Marsha. Yeah, she does. Yeah. Marsha. over there cuz it was such an abnormal storm. It was, you know, it it was such an abnormal storm like Saras Sarasota has never taken a direct hit from a hurricane in a hundred years and we took a it was it came in at a category five and hit as a category 4 direct and you know it never took one in a hundred years. That's why um who's the circus guy? Ringling. Wringling moved his in the winters he went to Sarasota with all his horse horses, all his elephants and all that because it never took a direct hit. Wow. So wait, you were the first hurricane you were in Siesta Key. That's is that different from Sarasota or are they all together? That's all the same area. I I lived in Sarasota for a month. I I still don't know where I was. Oh no. Off of Sarasota. I did. I lived there for a month. I did I filmed a movie there.

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there. But I it was a while ago. I love it. I loved it so much. Yeah. They have to get to the beach. It's the best beach in the US. Yes. I went to the beach, but we were shooting all the time and I had my kids and they were tiny at the time. And the one thing I'll never forget was the lion rescue and they had ligers. I talk about this all the time. Habitat. Yeah. I'm like a 12-year - old. They had liers and I couldn't believe these things, man. That was my highlight in Sarasota. Wow. Yeah. So, Siesta Key is a barrier island um in Sarasota, which is Siesta Key is right on the Gulf and then in from Siesta Key is is the city in of Sarasota. Okay. So you were No. So, it's essentially on the Gulf. When you were after the first storm, you ended up in the rental or in your old house? No, the first storm you were in the big house, the new house. The house you showed me. That was the uh that was the new house, right? That That's the one we we owned the house for 5 years. And um you know, we've been through hurricanes, but they always go other places. You only get like um you know, wind and rain and that kind of thing. you don't get directly hit. But Hurricane Helen, which was uh in

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But Hurricane Helen, which was uh in September of 24, that's the one that it just caused all the water to rise and we took on 3 and 1 / 2 ft of water. And then two weeks later, less than two weeks later, Hurricane Milton came. That's the one that took a direct hit of a category 4 winds, like 130 miles an hour or something. That's the one that blew the roof right off. So, we we've been there for hurricanes, just never direct hits until until this last one. I can't even imagine what it feels like to be in a hurricane like that. The um the water was interesting. the water rising while we were, you know, on the second floor. And um the water came in, took about 30 minutes for to to go from ground zero to 3 and 1 / 2 ft in the house. And then when the water went out, it went out in 5 minutes. So it came in and took like 30 minutes and it just came right out of the like almost every inch of water was was gone from the house. It was crazy how it, you know, we have I had dead minnows and [__] in my house. It is. And you were in the house while this was happening. We were on the second floor. Yeah, cuz the house was made of commercial stucco. So, we knew we weren't getting any wind. It wasn't a windstorm. It wasn't a wind hurricane. This was just however those hurricanes work. They they suck either water in or they suck water out or push

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water in or they suck water out or push water in, suck it out. And it pushed in um supposed to be like an eight foot 8 to 10 foot um water surge. So we knew that we were going to get water, but we didn't evacuate. We lost four cars. Every car that we owned was underwater. Um in the car industry, the insurance industry was great. Nothing to Nothing like the house. Wow, man. They was your retirement. They must have that house is that was that that house was we were six days from closing and um we would have been in a brand new house and um was all Yeah, it was a great it would have been a great uh and that's why I think that's why I've um taken on so much stress knowing how close I was to to being there, you know, and I got a little bitter with people who didn't come and help or didn't call and that kind of thing. And I've held on to some of that, too. But, um, don't, you know, I I think now No. Well, it's hard. Yeah. Well, I Yeah. Don't hold on to any of that stuff. You got your You have Marsha. All you need is Marsha and yourself and your sanity and your four doggies and your son. Your your daughter. Yes. Yeah. Although she does, you know, I said I missed that graduation, but she w she went back to nursing school. So, she

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went back to nursing school. So, she graduates in December as a nurse. Oh, good. She when I got sick, she changed her major to nursing. Yeah. So, she could take care of her daddy. Yeah, probably. She was go She wanted to be an FBI agent. Imagine that. And then she switched to uh I'm glad she didn't go there. That's all that Yeah. You know, law enforcement's nothing like it was. No. Yeah. I think maybe trying to help save people at this point and it might be the only noble thing left these days, you know. Well, Les, I'm so happy that you came. Was this all right? So, I know you you were like, "What am I going to do on this thing? What am I going to say? Was it okay? It wasn't terrible, right? This was like we just It's like we were doing autographs, you know." Okay, good. Yeah. Just there's a delay, so it's [__] awkward. It was great. I I Okay. Are you still doing the autograph? See when the delay is coming, but um um I you know, I I slowed down a little bit. Um so, not really. I mean, we lost in that hurricane so much of that inventory. I probably had Oh, [__] you know, in retail probably a mill. Yeah, we did 35 cast members. Matter of fact, some of them stayed at the house that and and s Yeah, we we had a massive project. We had just about everybody.

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had just about everybody. We lost a lot. Yes, I'll sign for you for free. We had that on the first floor. I'll sign for you for free. Okay. Yes, I'll sign for you for free. We'll talk about how many, but I'll sign for you for free. Who even wants our [__] signatures anymore? No, that No, people still do. Actually, I just sent out uh something of yours uh the other day. Somebody that people are still buying. Yeah. All right. Well, that's cool. You know, we're pretty cool. It's cool show. Yeah. Um, you know, it was a project. Give me something to do in your retirement. Now you now you're you're going to be an expert at at insurance like I am now. Like I I can pro I can help people through their insurance battles. Yeah, me too. I feel like that. And I can also write a book on on the possibilities of having a nervous breakdown while it's happening because I lost my mind while it was happening. And the only thing that saved me was Joe Despensza and I didn't want to even help myself. I didn't I was just like, "No, I'll get through it. I'm fine." Um I didn't know how to navigate any of it. I didn't know and I was losing my house. So, you know, I was losing it without it being um burned. I lost one house in a fire. This house was not it was flooded but and it was a wreck and it needed tons of work but I was losing it cuz you

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tons of work but I was losing it cuz you know they were going to take it away from me over the mandates and whatnot. You know that was my story. Um so losing my house I remember that you remember telling me that. Yeah. And it it was like almost harder than losing my my um parents in a weird way cuz they they were older, they were ill. This was like just suddenly having the only like when you lose your family and you lose everyone, you don't feel safe anymore. Like you just don't feel safe in the world. Even as an adult, it's like, you know, your family's all gone now. And then but at least you have your house that makes you feel like you're safe and you're warm and you have this barrier around you, especially you while you're going through cancer and like having to feel all of these with lifethreatening events continuously. And then now the one safe place that brings you joy, the place where you and your wife can just, you know, be away from all of the stuff or just be immersed in your own home while you're trying to heal and then that just gets ripped out from you and then understanding what's happening in the world and why all of these things are it's it's enough to drive anyone crazy and to hold on to how corrupt everything's gotten. um how just how corrupt everything's gotten, you know? But I think we have to let go of that. Like that's my even with this show, like I keep trying to just reiterate like I think we all need to just step away from all of the [__] they

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just step away from all of the [__] they threw at us and put upon us and all this like division and all the how, you know, h how medical treatment for cancer is politicized. medical treatment for a virus has been politicized. Insurance is politicized. Every [__] weather is politicized. What in the mother [__] have we come to? Um so I feel like now more than ever it's time for like just Americans to come tell their stories and like this is what happened to me and this is what I'm dealing with and this is I'm not asking them to help me. I'm helping myself now and let's help each other through that by having kind of a community where people could talk about stuff. Otherwise, it's it's you, you know, with all these doctors that just want to probe and poke at you when that doesn't make you feel safe. Um, I feel like hearing someone else's experience, that's why I called less just so the audience understands here. I call I reached out to you and I hadn't spoken to you in a while. That's how I found out about your house because of the way you were treating yourself through all your cancers and I had two separate people who didn't want to go the western route. So I called Les and I was like, "Can you talk to some of a friend of mine? Can you talk to this person? Can you talk to that person? I must have driven you crazy and I didn't even know you were going through all of this stuff. So, I apologize, but but you were great and thank you.

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but you were great and thank you. No, you didn't. Yeah. Oh, you're welcome. Um, you know, I think I want to add not everything that worked for me will work for other anybody else or we all have our like my my um my doctor, my main doctor, he calls me a unicorn because like he's never seen anybody like me be before all the stuff I did. you know, the fact that my PSA was rising, they couldn't find it and then it dropped and all that. Um, but you know, I I had a very good friend um who he said I was his hero and he's from California and um I'm into cars a little bit and he was restoring an an old dune buggy for me and he called me up one day. He's like, "Oh, you know, I say you say I say you're my hero." Because he knew the stuff that I did. Well, he gets diagnosed with im with stage four um colon cancer and he's like because of you I'm not going to tell do anything they tell me and he starts doing all the I you know and the poor guy eight months later was passed away. So like everything that worked for me didn't work for him. I mean he was at a different stage a different type of cancer and all that but you know that's a little bit of a heavy thing for me to hang on to too I think. No, I know. But that you it is a personal it's it's a personal decision. You know, even with my brother and stuff, I I could only make suggestions about stuff for

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only make suggestions about stuff for me. If I could I just know what I would do if it was me. I'd want a team of people. Um all kind of speaking to each other and trying everything depending on how far along it was. If the cancer was had been really exacerbated, stage four, I don't know the type of cancer. I think I would want so many people involved. His was [__] Yeah, that's and that's a that one right now is on the rise. It's non-stop. I feel like all I hear is colon, rectal, anal, like it's just non-stop with those cancers at the moment. I wonder why that is. It's the food and [__] they they're feeding. I know. And there's a lot of podcasts out there now that are dealing with that and talking about that. And everybody has a different idea of what works best for them. You know, there's all these different ways. I think it has to be what feels right to you. Like what really speaks to you. I mean, for me, what speaks to me is eat pasta all day, but that's not good. Yeah. No. um you know you definitely have to um believe in what you're doing um and just try try different things and you know um not not listen to one person and you know go your own route and you know I'm convinced that um you know I guess again it depends on when you get diagnosed and what stage but cancer is

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diagnosed and what stage but cancer is beatable in my opinion and you know I'm I'm in air year eight plus, you know, and I had one traditional doctor tell me that she can give me one to three and that was seven years ago. So, um, you know, do your research and nothing's going to hurt you on in my opinion on the holistic side. Um, no. Yeah, but people get scared. I mean, I know, you know, my brother's family was definitely afraid when um and I I think about what I would do when my dad was was diagnosed and he died immediately. Like he literally they they took him into the hospital and said, "You're not feeling well cuz you have cancer." And within two weeks, he was gone. Two weeks. They gave him six months, he would he he just let go. He had prostate years ago. He had prostate when I was young and then years he got his prostate removed and then he had lung cancer. He had half of his lung removed. Then he had a stroke when he was about 80 and then the stroke stressed him out so much that he developed cancer and then that was it. The cancer took him out shortly after the stroke. But um but with my brother, you know, they wanted to do all of the other modalities, but they were so afraid, you know, because the doctors were saying your levels, your your li liver enzymes are too high right now, so you can't

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are too high right now, so you can't take anything. Meanwhile, he was jacked up on on tons of uh oxy and Tylenol and steroids. But you know what was interesting is the hospital was actually giving him 13 milligrams of ivormectin and they they kept trying to figure out who the doctor was that was prescribing it cuz they were shocked and they couldn't figure out who was prescribing it. But then when he got out of the hospital and went to the rehab for the stroke um they stopped giving it to him. I don't know if the family continued with it afterwards, but um his his cancer was really [__] aggressive once that biopsy had come back. So, and his stuff was his was a totally different kind of cancer, a really rare mucosal melanoma. It he wasn't sick at all. No symptoms. It had a freckle on his gums that the the dentist found and they were like, "We got to take out half your jaw." Boom. Take out half his jaw. Um, and then the complications just started after that. Um, and it was just very aggressive. But you're not the first person who said to me, and this girl Tana who who healed herself twice, um, not the first one who says you have to believe in what you're taking and what you're doing and that it's going to work. And I think that is, and I don't want to sound all like, you know, hippie - dippy and all that [__] but I really do believe that's a huge

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but I really do believe that's a huge part of it. I think once you believe it, and once that, you know, this is what works for me, you know, if you're taking chemo and that's not what you want, but you're doing it because everyone's telling you to do it, then it's probably not what you, you know, that's what how I felt with the vaccine. I was like, I know I can't do it. If I do it, I'll get sick. All my friends are fine, but if I do it, I'm going to be [__] sick. You can make yourself [__] sick once you start thinking like that, you know? Oh, for sure. So, I believe that. I do believe that. So, I believe I don't know about you, Les, and I know Marca believes wherever she is in that room. I believe that if you believe whatever you're going to do next for your lymph system right now that it's going to freaking work again. Yeah. know, I I'm I'm not at all terrified of the position I'm in. Um, you know, my biggest thing is is getting the stress out of me. And I literally over the last two two plus weeks since living in this new house feel completely um like this big weight off my shoulders for some reason. I you know, again, it's probably not all in my head, but I mean that's a big part of it anyway. Um, you know, and I you just got to stick you got to I got to stick to what I had success with before. Um, you know, admittedly, my diet hasn't been as great. Like, I'm not saying I'm eating red meat, but like, you know, I'm not supposed to do dairy and I've been doing

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supposed to do dairy and I've been doing dairy. Um, you know, I've been drinking high noons, you know, shouldn't be doing alcohol, you know. So, there's some things that, you know, I think I was indulging in um what do they call that when when somebody's eating out of uh stress eating? You were stress eating. Yeah. Oh, yeah. For for certain. Yeah. And you know, I think all that on top of the stress, um, you know, my body was just full of inflammation and, uh, you know, from from all the stress and, you know, it's just travel through my lymph system, but I'll but I I'm good. Oh, no. I mean, I know that for me, my inflammation's crazy and I'm not that stressed out right now and I'm like, what the [__] is wrong with me? And then I just look up in the sky and I'm like, "Oh, well, they're spraying all this [__] on us today." And it really does make a huge difference when you're breathing that [__] in non-stop. So, I know for me, I have to continuously be detoxing from heavy metals all the time. I got to be doing it all the time because it really affects me. It doesn't affect some people. Like, I can't breathe mold. I feel sick when I do. Other people don't care. So for me, I got to, you know, I need like to take zeolyte and cilantro oil and, you know, these are all benign things, but things that help with the heavy metals in the air and in your body, that kind of stuff. Do you do any uh infrared sauna?

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Do you do any uh infrared sauna? I am going to get one for Robbie for his for Christmas. I'm getting one for Robbie for Christmas. I'm really that's just a way for me to buy myself a present. So, I'm getting one. What's the best one? Which one do you like? There you go. I did a lot of research and I I go to a studio that also has this brand, but I I'm a believer in the in Clear Light. The Clear Light. Yeah, Clear Light is the brand. Um I can send you that information. Um send it over. is actually a guy. His job is just Yeah. I I That's the one I'm getting. I'm getting one as well to go along with my uh Okay. Cold Plunge. Me, too. The cold plunge. My friends have them. I know that they're great. I That's probably the thing that'll save us all, actually, is that freaking cold plunge. But I don't know, man. I can't commit to water fasting. That too. Cold plunge. Water. I'm going to do it on Thanksgiving. I'm gonna water fast on Thanksgiving. This episode will be out after Thanksgiving. So, this is dated, guys. We're dated. We're dating ourselves. Um, all right. Well, I'm going to let you go back to Marsha. I'm going to let you get into your cold plunge. Go do all your healthy stuff. And I just want to thank you so much for coming and hanging out with me and stay in touch with me with all of these things. But

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with me with all of these things. But I'm going to be checking on you now to see I want to know what you're going to do. I want to know what your next steps are. I want to see I I'm I'm trying to understand all of this stuff and see what works. Yeah, I'll let you know what my local um my local guy says and then I certainly will let you know what I'm doing and then what um my next trip out to my uh doctor and scan and and all that and I'm sure I'll be fine. So, you're going to go back to that guy for the scans, but you'll stay in Florida for all your your holistic stuff, right? Yeah. So, they they wanted me to do chemo again. Um, couple weeks back, they said I should do hormone therapy and I No, I've done three three radiation three times, but I've never done chemo. Um, no. I just don't um I I just read too much bad stuff about it. And um yeah, I I know the things that I've done alternatively instead of the chemo work for me. So I just got to um buckle down again a little bit and Yeah. Amen. Are you following a protocol for the Your guy is going to give you the protocol. It's not He will f He'll monitor what you're taking. I you know I'm going to yeah you know I I'm going to show him uh you know because you go you know there's a bunch of Facebook groups uh Ivormectton and benzol and all that

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Ivormectton and benzol and all that and I think my protocol before was too low especially you know I think I'm a little bit more in crisis mode than I was the first time because now it's in different spots. So, um, you know, I'll probably ask him about upping my dosage and, you know, instead of doing a five on, five off, I'll probably just do it daily and, you know, see how that goes. Yeah, I took it for five days when I get sick and I said like I took 24 and I'm that's my body weight for my body weight. So I guess and there's the Mackis protocol all over the place. Too little. Yeah, but it worked. So Amen. You know, it freaking worked. But the Dr. Mackis is cool. He's got a protocol out there, too. I'm going to I'll um I'll have to look for that or I'll ask you to text me that how you spell his name. But I I should probably find it. And I'm probably going to do the THC oil again as well. So, I'm going to hit it with everything. And um you know, they were it was a bit there was a big vitamin C treatment that they do at Sanviv also um was some kind of IV treatment that they that they're really supportive of. And then this doctor who I interviewed recently, Dr. Petra Davalar. She's a functional medicine person also and she loves this

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person also and she loves this particular water that she likes to use called light water. And it's replacing it pretty much with your regular water cuz we don't really need all the water that we drink. And apparently this the water that we drink is filled with this stuff called dutyium. And we don't deplete dutyium the way we need to. our bodies don't get rid of it as well as it could because of all the toxins we're being bombarded with. So, this water is supposed to be phenomenal and it's like some key to anti-aging and all that stuff. And I think the brand that she likes is this brand called Light Water. Um, so that's another thing if you're going to be I've never heard of that seal. Yeah, there's all this cool stuff. So, I just keep asking people what their secrets are and you know, a lot of it is sunlight. You need to get into the sunlight. I know that that's anti what a lot of people with cancer might say, but I mean, no one can give me get mad at me for saying to get a little bit of sunshine on their faces as long as you're not hurting yourself. But, um, you know, cuz vitamin D is so important. I think that's all a bunch of nonsense, too. Yeah. Well, I when when the episode comes out with Petra, you'll hear and she's all over the internet. She's great. I'll send you all of these guys names, too. But, um, but it's really hopeful. It's really do

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It's really do hopeful because I mean, apparently we we're all just carrying it around with us everywhere we go. It's what ignites it. Um, what pushes it to the forefront and then we have to deal with it. Um, but I'm pretty hopeful about it. I know you're going to be okay. I'm I'm mad that it came back the way it did over your stresses and over that [__] micro blast and whatever the hell else they have in store for us. Yeah. You know, it's Yeah. I don't want to keep boring you with the stories, but it's um you know, it's like every time you think that things are going right, you know, they and I'll just give you this last one about that whole industry. So, the um insurance adjuster says that they're going to send a quote neutral third-party contractor out to um review everything, look at the house and um compare compare it to my engineers's report and my contractor's report and all that. And the quote third party guy gets there and he goes through the house and he's like, "I can't believe they're giving you a hard time and they're not just paying your policy limits."sequence. This house is done. And he and he's describing like every single thing in every room, taking pictures of all the stuff that we've been saying that insurance didn't want to listen to. And this is the third party neutral. And I'm like flabbergasted. I'm like, "Wow, this is it. This is this guy's going to go back to the insurance adjuster,

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go back to the insurance adjuster, insurance company, and say, "No, these people are right. Their reports are right. This house is is toast." We get the report two weeks later. Not a word he said to us was in this report. It was complete [__] The only good thing is is he had some good conversations with me in front of my Ring doorbell and I can use that. So, and my We're living in a [__] surveillance state. Yeah. Huh. Wait, I missed what you said. Barely any electricity in the house. But it got that little bit. Did you? Oh, this is so funny. This delay is so bad. I'm sorry. You had you you had barely any electricity in the house, but you managed to get a little bit of that conversation. I've I've got the Yeah, I've got the the front door, you know, because the front didn't take the direct hit. So, the front doorbells and the um are still working. and I use my neighbor's Wi-Fi to keep, you know, just keep some security there. And um he went into detail about how the insurance company is effed up and how they he can't believe that they're not doing this. And he described all kinds of things and then put then I got a completely different report. So my attorney is all over that and he says we can utilize the the um the nest camera footage in audio.

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footage in audio. So nice. We'll see what happens. Sometimes the surveillance state works in our interest. And you being a detective. I mean, what a bunch of scumbags. Unbelievable. He must have gotten strong armed. Either that or he's just a Well, that's what my attorney believes. He goes, they will make them change their report and they'll change it themselves. So, my attorney's um demanding copies of all the guy's notes, all the guys photographs, um whatever his initial report was because it was completely different than than what got submitted back to us from the insurance company. Wow, man. All I can say at this point, this is my stress comes no stress. This is what I'm going to say is like I before I came down here to talk to you, I was dealing with a hundred stresses up at the house and um I said to the guys in the house, I go, "Guys, can we all just [__] forget about all of the [__] that everybody's trying to put upon us? If you don't have, if you're not in immediate financial hardship, if your heart isn't broken into a million pieces, everyone in your world is safe for the moment, forget about all of that [__] You know what I mean? Like, let it the [__] go. It does. It serves no purpose anymore. And I think that with when I was pressed with all of this

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when I was pressed with all of this stuff, just pressed and challenged with all these different like no matter what where I turned, no matter how many triumphs I had, there was always something waiting to like kick me in the knees on the other side. It's like I feel like the minute I divorced myself from the drama of the whole system out there, of all of the things coming at me, even if I had to downsize, get into a smaller house, you know, I couldn't sell my house, so I was losing my mind. I was freaking out. I was like, I can at least sell this thing and have a few dollars in my pocket, but I couldn't. So, I was very stressed. But once you know that you're safe for a minute, all this other stuff, just [__] it. just no matter how stressful it gets at this point. I'm like, "Yeah, I don't care. I don't [__] care because you are not going to make me sick." Um, and I think that is just to laugh [__] off. Like to get in bed with Marsha tonight and be like, "Can you believe the [__] we've been through?" You know what I mean? Like, what is this simulation we're in right now? And let God just kind of, you know, sometimes I feel cuz you're a man. So, you're you get pissed off. You know, it's your job to be pissed off as a man. But I'm continuously trying to tell Robbie, "Let go of that [__] anger, bro. Like, it's not going to do anything for you." My My boyfriend's always cranky. And I'm like, "No, everything's

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cranky. And I'm like, "No, everything's always a bigger problem than it is." And I'm like, "No, there's only solutions. There's no more problems. Otherwise, we're going to be sick." You know, I didn't, you know, and I, it's not like I was always like this, cuz I was not. I would definitely get extremely stressed out. Take my house away from me again. Watch how [__] stressed out I get, you know? So, I get it. Yeah. You know, surprisingly, she she's she's got the ability to um and she said she gives me the same I don't want to call it a speech, but she says the same thing. Um, but then when you get her fired up, forget it. You know, I'm Yeah. Well, we're Italian. I'm Neapolitan. She's Sicilian. Forget about it, you know. Anyway. All right. Well, now I'm really going to let you get back to Marsha. And then we're going to check in again cuz I want to know where you're at 6 months from now cuz you're going to start now. You're going to start this new treatment. I'll be happy to. Okay. I want to know how you are in six months. this week. Um, a whole new protocol. Okay. Great. And I really I appreciate the opportunity to come on and and whatnot and let me tell my story. And it was sort of like a little therapy, I think. So, Oh, you know, I'm so glad I'm the [__] my ex-boyfriend used to call me the can opener. She's like, Jesus Christ, right? Just opening the can and making people talk about everything. And then that's me. I just uh I just think that

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That's me. I just uh I just think that there's so much more hope and every and everything's gotten so [__] up lately, you know. Everybody's such a every the system's a mess. People are a mess. People hate each other. I think we got to find a different way, you know, and start seeing the truth about a lot of things. And this is the truth. people talking to each other and and trying to find other ways to heal with the med, you know, with the I'm not even going to go into all the stuff so I don't have to say the word pharma in my thing. This is the thing I'm on. This is the thing that you're on podcast. Um, okay. Well, go eat some water. Go have some water. Um, have fun on your water fast. Imagine me shaking in a closet crying. Yes. do find out about light water. I'm not doing one right now. Well, when you do I was looking at it um as you said it. Oh, you were? Okay, cool. Check it out. I'm going to go buy some myself. I still haven't done it because I guess the thing is people say that we have the wrong relationship with water. They and I and and on this I I promise I'll leave. that the water industry went on the rise with um plastic bottles and that's when we started to see you know more obesity started to be on the rise. People are infested with plastics and aside from that they started telling us to drink eight eight ounces of water once they started putting fluoride in the water. So there's a lot of sort of you know conspiracy theories around that. Um but

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conspiracy theories around that. Um but the water is not really [__] healthy. So it's it's riddled with all of this [__] out there. So this water is extremely expensive, but it's treated a certain way and a lot of stuff is extracted from it. But you're supposed to mix it with regular water. So you'll learn about it and see if it's something that resonates for you. Yeah. All right, Les, have a good night. Thank you for coming. All right.