Cold, Breath, and the Trainable Stress Response - Full Transcript

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They said, "Hey, but you are superhuman. You are a freak of nature. You are extraordinary. You are this. You are that." Hey, say I'm Wimhof. I got faith that we are able simply to do a whole lot more. And what I can do, anybody can do. They call him the Iceman. The man who [music] climbed Everest in shorts and set 26 world records. Scientists once believed parts of your work were impossible. I was talking to Joe Rogan about this and he said, "Yeah, there is no science. THERE ARE 26 STUDIES. WHAT ARE YOU TALKING? WE FOUND A WAY TO nullify inflammation." That should have been the beginning of a great Nobel Prize, like 10 of them. I'm a revolutionary and I'm talking common sense. When I'm 80, I'm going to do world records. I'm going to show them that I'm not So, what do you think is the most misunderstood part of your message? I'm not a B. Your body already knows how to repair itself. It's been doing it since you were born. The question is whether or not you're giving it the raw materials to do the job. Stick around and we'll find out together. Whim, thank you very much for having me today. It's really amazing to come to your I would call it a sanctuary full of beautiful plants and uh nature in the background. So it's uh I've watched a lot of your content. I've been following your work for a very long time and it's super interesting how doy you are in on

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super interesting how doy you are in on many of the areas we're going to cover today. So it's going to be a really fun conversation and uh looking at your humor I'm really really enjoying how much fun this is going to be. So thank you very much for having me. Thank you. I'm going to give it a thousand%. I was talking this morning to my son. Hey a thousand that is not possible but 100 years yes but then I thought no in the ether there is an unlimited amount and they call it in the old scriptures the thousand pailed lotus and and that one is thousand not 100 so I'm going to give it a thousand amazing I've I've looked at many of your recordings and episodes and content and looked at all the questions that you've been asked and come up with a few interesting curve balls today and um so that it's a different episode I would like to think than a lot of the ones that you've done before. So put a lot of work into today because I'm really excited. In fact, we have many mutual friends and colleagues as well. So it's exciting for me today. Very special episode. One of the things that we discussed just before we started recording I'd like to start on is senses. Now one thing a dear friend of mine Dr. Tara Schwart talks about is uh that we have over 30 different senses that uh has now been identified. She talks about in her book, but what you were saying before is yes, you're very dialed into a lot of these other senses. Do you want to just talk through a couple of the the senses that you've identified and how it ties into your

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identified and how it ties into your methodology. Uh by feeling comes intuition. Intuition you can feel. It's knowledge that comes in like a a premonition. becomes like a a revealing image and it is clear as daylight. That is the six sense. It is the knowledge from within and it's connected to the universe to the omniresence. It's called the ether. The ether a say a radio if it doesn't pick up something out of the ether of we we have a iPhone and we or computer and we download things. Where do you think that comes from? We are senders and receivers. And so the question is not how many levels there are. There are so many more levels in an unlimited power of the mind. It is for us to bring it down to break it down to show there is more than the five senses we have learned to have. It's maybe five million. I don't know how many there is an unlimited amount within us to be able to send exactly what we need to release our say deep trauma deep blockages. We are here with a purpose to connect with uh uh the

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a purpose to connect with uh uh the ether with the unlimited power of the mind with the omni presence to pick out exactly what we need which we got within that is our purpose and for that you got six sense intu intuition intu means going in in Latin it's just go within and learn to trust your inner knowledge. It's there to serve you, to help you. If you don't, you are in conflict uh with a current, a physical current, neurological current within and it petrifies the pineal gland. You know, it it becomes like stone. It calcifies because you don't listen. It doesn't flourish. Then it becomes acidic. It's all psychosomatic. That is number six. Then you got number seven. It's called proprioception. That is balance in in physical physicality. It's your balance. But it's also the balance within the universe where you are. Are you in balance in the subtle uh uh sending and receiving uh with the universe? H and if not then [clears throat] imagine a radio. It's not standing. It's not is something disturbing going on. It's very stressful in long term. And then there is the immune system which is

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then there is the immune system which is connected to the proprioception. And we showed in science that we are able to control the immune system so much better. And that is also the way I go. I go through science to uh validate what I say and then hey inject me with a bacteria which made us sick before and then a whole group of people because what I can do anybody can do I'm just exploring that there is more than the five senses then you got number eight is the uh interception interception was thought of passively that like the body is sending signals to our brain. Hey, you feel hungry, you feel anxious, you feel uh pain, you feel all kinds of things that is interception. Now, it was not known to be able to topd down regulate because pain is emotion, anxiety is emotion, when you feel bad is emotion, depression is emotion. It's all emotion suppressing. you can't do anything about it. This was the science. And then I came I went to the laboratory settings into the brain scans into the fMRIs and I showed to top down regulate and that what we call interception

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that what we call interception emotion like cold coming to my body making the body cold that is what we thought is the way the body works and you can't do anything exa especially when you are in an fMRI then uh you can't you have to be motionless but just by using the mind I was able to make the cold not make my skin temperature go down then they looked inside the brain and they saw a circuitry which was unknown by modern neuroscientists so there we are that is number six seven and eight and that there are more of course we are talking about the unlimited power of the mind. So what are we talking about 30 senses or 300 or doesn't matter the matter is that we are allowed and able to control that whatsoever to bring about what is our purpose related in our bodies and it could be trauma could be blockages inhibitions those are all signals they are being sent but we learn to suppress it there comes in depression. You can't suppress what is coming to your mind to be processed because then it's going to revolt the body and then you feel depressed. You don't feel good.

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depressed. You don't feel good. It's really interesting. One of the things you as you was just saying that I was just thinking we know obviously when if we're in a war zone, if we're running from a threat, a tiger or something or other, our immune system downregulates because our blood flow changes so that we can fuel our muscles to run. And again, I think that's one of the the classic ways of seeing the immune system downregulating when one is stressed. And I think I've just come from a trip in Tuscanyany actually and waking up walking on the beach in the morning, you know, having fresh water, eating Mediterranean food. And in fact, after two or three days, I felt completely different and my my sleep score because obviously I I track um was the best it's ever been. And it's really amazing how then when I come back in I come back into Amsterdam and there's cars flying around, there's bikes whizzing past and it's like actually I realize how stimulated my nervous system is. So it's like if it's four or 500% more stimulated in a city versus, you know, somewhere like here where it's no threats, very calm, beautiful nature around us. You know what that does to our immune system? And so I think that's when people say well I don't believe the immune system can be a mental state or another sense. Actually I think science fully you know fully shows this um absolutely proprioception is the immune system the ability to heal yourself to come to a equal balance between the parasympathetic and sympathetic nervous system the healer and action and rehabilitation that that

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and action and rehabilitation that that both is there and too much stress is in the end psychosmatically getting to us and We have built a society which is only into production, into greed, into making money, and not necessarily into serving our soul. As simple as it is. Hey, I'm Tim Gray. I'm the host of the Health Optimization Podcast, where we bring the absolute best from around the world in the health space to teach you the things that you could be doing to be healthier and happier. If you've learned anything from my podcasts, please give us a subscribe and follow because this helps us get much better guests ongoing. Thank you very much. There's one thing you've just touched on there which um I heard on a recent episode that you recorded which is really interesting. You said within your breath work and we're going to touch in into your methodology in a little while, but is that it plays with the parasympathetic and the sympathetic, the stressed and the relaxed state. Do you want to just tell me how, you know, how these things work together um within your methodology? Because I think that's really interesting because usually people say, "Oh, I'm in parasympathetic or I'm in sympathetic. I'm stressed or I'm relaxed." But you don't I don't think I've really ever heard someone say that you can play with both sides at the same time. At the same time is like my good friend Sanjay who is listening right now. He can play seven balls in the air. uh and uh it's quite amazing how that

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uh and uh it's quite amazing how that works. So why shouldn't we a different ball game is the parasympathetic and the sympathetic nervous system. though those two balls maybe bigger balls whatever they are there and they were never shown in science to work simultaneously and but they did in my case and that is through controlling the uh uh through breathing uh specific breathing exercises and uh learning to go into the cold you learn to deal with a sympathetic but at the same time because you do not breathe at a certain moment you're completely out of the action of the body and you overrite biohack into the body with a absolute activation of the parasympathetic the vagus nerve and I'm working uh with the best experts on the vagus nerve actually yeah he is known as the best Dr. Kevin Tracy and uh we I'm in his book uh about this and he he sees this all happening alive. He also developed a a chip but we don't need a chip. We can handle our parasympathetic and sympathetic nervous system at the

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and sympathetic nervous system at the same time for whatever reason we got inside of us. It's a different level of control and where do we need to control and to battle uh inflammation and as you said before uh you come here from Tuskanyany suddenly you got four 500% more uh stress related activation uh it's all coming in and it keeps on going as if that is normal. So if that is normal then why is it not normal that you would be able to control and sympathetic at the stress and then parasympathetic at the same time? Why isn't science looking in hey man we found a way to deal so much better with stress and that's what exactly what we did. We published in nature uh last January with 500 people. We showed uh uh compared to meditation and mindfulness which are great uh uh ways to interiorize to go in uh but hey we are dealing with modern stress and modern stress with mindfulness meditation you got to seclude. No, stay in the city and relax. So that's what we did. We uh uh we showed uh by going once a week in the

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showed uh by going once a week in the ice bath, doing the breathing and cold showers on daily business uh uh yeah a daily uh I know how do you say daily routine a daily routine for six weeks they found out that this works 300% better in cognitive awareness than meditation. 300% better in stress resilience. So how to deal with stress coming in? It comes in anyway. So it works three times better 300% and 400% more energy by going into the cold to train the cardiovascular system. And that is all about the energy you runs in the blood etc. You don't have to think about it. The science is there. So what do you want? Do you want to deal with stress which is part of of our prop preoception and interception and sick sense because you live with purpose or but yet we live in a stressful world. Can we combine those two worlds? Yes. For that you have to learn to control parasympathetic and sympathetic at the same time. It makes me think of a Jimmy Carr quote. um I I heard about a year ago and he said a hundred years ago um everyone you admire didn't even have a hot shower in the morning and it's actually quite a

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the morning and it's actually quite a profound thing to think through because on a daily basis I enjoy a hot shower but I also enjoy my cold shower and I think it's really interesting how people say oh no I couldn't do that but it shows how weak or you know yeah how weak we've become and I think if I think back to my my grandfather's uh days. He was hard as nails, you know, he didn't need 20 supplements and didn't need to meditate every day and he was very zen. He was a a warrior warrior in a garden versus a gardener in a war. Um and he was resilient and then we've become more and more weak. And I think one thing that I've learned from having cold showers on a morning basis, and I do it probably three or four times a week. I don't do it every day, but I've noticed how it makes you step up in the world as well. It's like actually that thing I don't want to do and I know the good thing is on the other side of it, then I push through and do it and it comes down for me from a cold shower. So, I think anyone that's watching this that you know isn't familiar with your work because I have quite a wide audience um of new people in the hell space is that you know try it and the first day you'll be like h I don't want to do that. that's cold and the next day it'll be a little bit better and a little bit better until you're proud of yourself and then it helps you show up. Is this something you notice frequently with people that you train or have worked with your methodology? Oh yeah, all the time. Yesterday I had a specific person who

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Yesterday I had a specific person who wrote a book who had a brain tumor who was betridden because of it and then started because he read about this I mean he was going to die that the doctors were saying you are going to die and that's it. So uh he started to do ice bath and the day he started to do the ice bathing HE HAD SO MUCH ENERGY and suddenly you could do meditations he could do a a whole all all and now he's free of uh the cancer the tumor I'm not saying that directly because you can't say that in the in this world where disease is a a money-making scheme To me, it's a money-making scheme. You can quote me on that anytime. I think the chemo therapies and cancer industry, oncology, whatever exotic names they put to it, it's a money making uh scheme and they live on uh our being dependent in our mind. They may our mind has been made so weak and dependent on an exterior force. Well, we got all the power inside and that [clears throat] that is the bloody truth is that my friend's mother is 92 years and yeah

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friend's mother is 92 years and yeah I have to do the olives. Hey, how do you get into the Yeah, I have to climb into the tree. How otherwise I do get the olives? I get answers like that of people. This is not old school. This is the school and that should be reintroduced uh to us that we have a soul which is able to connect with the unlimited power in the ether in the omniresence and we have so much more to gain but there is no money in people who are healthy independent free happy and strong. So that's why we get all this resistance, but we are going to push through anyway. M one thing I I want to touch on is that how you've leared to become so resilient because when [clears throat] digging deeper into your work and your history which is super fascinating with what's built you know whim the ha who is today is that um one thing that really fascinated me was that you said that you had lived in a a squat for 15 years and raised four children as well which you know if I think I've got friends with four children and it's very hard work for a a family with a home and you all of the luxuries and everything. So, I mean, what did that what do you think that taught you about resilience from from that experience? Yeah, that

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Yeah, that I probably have rooted myself there in the right soil of the development of my mind because I had no money and I had children around me. I had no woman because of a tragedy and there it is. That is the reality. Now what? Become depressed. No, I took my cold ice baths. I I [clears throat] was resilient as a warrior, stronger than any. Every day at 4: 00, I was up. I did my uh uh my exercising, my uh going into the water. And then when I came back, I was completely poised within me. And then slowly but surely, the children woke up and I could serve them 100%. And that 100% is much more than you can gain of money or tutors or nannies or mannies or rannies or cannies or tannies. All that is weak. Be a parent. be spirited and you are have and you have it all. And you know what? You get it all back of your children because they grow up really f with the foundation of happiness, strength and health within them. And that is something a lot of people struggle with in this society.

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people struggle with in this society. How to find it when they lose it. M so it's one thing that when for years I've obviously I've been following your work and and connected with various people from your family and and it it really feels like the the Wimhof family is really very present as well and and it's really interesting because someone talks about one of your sons or or Laura or and it's actually really nice to see how um how the family is all around and it's like this unit that's unpenetrable. It's actually really interesting and I I've heard this so many times about your family. So, it's really nice to see how connected and nice for you to share. Thank you. Yeah. No worries. I mean, it's it it's like, oh, you should speak to this person in the family. Oh, this is his son and oh, and then obviously met Laura at one of the biohacking events somewhere or other a few years ago and things. So, it's very very nice to to see that, you know, it's not just words. like a lot of gurus are full of words but don't actually show up in the world in the same way that they project out. However, time and time again it shows and I think you know for instance um some of the studies or um like the hike that you did and the the details we come on to in a minute with people that were actually suffering with health issues and showing this isn't just superhuman Wimhof talking about this thing. is I'm going to spread this and I'm going to help those around me to be able to experience this too. And I think that's really key distinction would be um mind over matter. And I

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would be um mind over matter. And I think that is the probably the key learning or the key line from everything I've read, seen, heard is mind over matter and living that. Yes, absolutely. You come in with a spirit comes in and the spirit hasn't got anything to do with matter. It learns to deal with matter and then but it should be always stronger than matter. So mind over matter is a natural phenomena within everybody of us in innate capacity. Now we did the studies in the uh with vibakar automus about psychology over physiology and mind over matter. We did those studies and it shows that we have a body which is all matter and we live interacted uh and grow therein in our society. But then where is the psych psychology able to direct the emotions? No, we can't. We don't know what where they are anymore. We don't know what it is. We don't know what is the soul. Without the soul, you stink in one day. know that be you have the innate capacity to be to control matter any time and that's a that's where we come in showing it not the way we are schooled being dependent on

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we are schooled being dependent on matter and to serve matter to b to build big buildings but not to stop the war not to stop suffering hunger pollution cruelty H it's all and we shove our children into that same paradigm. It's time for the soul. It's time that we take the spirit on and learn to control our own beautiful emotions. So one of the thing I've heard you say many times there was about purpose and mission. And for me I think you know people say why do I do what I do? And it's like I want the world to be healthier and happier so we can enjoy this life. And my my goal is to change the world just a little bit. Just leave it a little bit better than I found it. This is really key for me. And I I felt like from what I've seen of your work, you talk about mission and purpose. What would you say that your actual mission and purpose is if you were to define it? uh to fight ignorance. They get that out of the world. [laughter] And I think it is a bloody stup stupidity that is being maintained by those who have interest in it. And I think they are out of their mind. Literally out of their mind. They are just obstructed in their own uh development and became something they

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development and became something they are not because we are humans and humans have connection with the soul. Once again without the soul we stink and one day it is time for the soul to show that the best functionality of ours is to serve our soul is to be and and the guiding lines are simple. Just be healthy, strong and happy. The rest is I love that. So, what do you think is the most misunderstood part of your message? I'm not about the eyes and breathing. This this is the foundation. This is to shatter the body to reset the body to get your body full functioning and suddenly you feel you have a vessel powerful. It's there and my psychology subtly is able to control that. That is amazing. It's suddenly you got a car and your ASS IS IN IT AND WOW, YOU ONLY HAVE TO STEER THE WHEEL. IT'S EVEN AUTOMATIC. YOU DON'T NEED TO DO ANYTHING. Just enjoy the ride. That's it. That is what the eyes and the breathing do. They take away the out of the body. They reset the body and suddenly you have a car. Car is auto and auto is old Greek for being the self. Alto say out in the oracle of Delelfi

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Alto say out in the oracle of Delelfi know thyself. that is the subtlety of yours able to steer and conduct uh whatever needs to be conducted in your body throughout life. I love that it's the psychology element is one once upon a time must have been about eight nine years ago a friend of mine had a fridge lying on its back in his garage filled with water. It was I fit a layer of ice over it. He cracked it and jumped in it. And then I put one toe in it and was like, I don't think I can do that. And he said, try again. However, say to yourself, this isn't going to kill me. I have a friend here watching me and it's just your brain telling you to run. Fight it. And I just just enjoy the ride. And and I remember it's like actually it was very distinct for me. It's like holy crap. like I really can just say I'm safe. And I couldn't believe how long I could stay. And that was the very first time. And that was ice. And obviously most ice baths or places you go to banas and things have seven or eight degrees Celsius. I think that's uh uh neurological network. Number eight, interceptive focus. Uh top down regulating. I can do this. Then you connect with the unlimited power outside and it fills you

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unlimited power outside and it fills you uh with that what makes you able to overcome the invisible uh obstacle and your feeling will guide you. That is the number six the intuition it will guide you because it's not about hey I can jump into abbis and then fly. No, your intuition will say, "Hey, better don't not you're not a stupid goose." By the way, geese are not stupid. Humans are, but let the goose f a geese fly and you stay nice on the ground and deal with the real within you and be guided by intuition and by faith. Number eight. So this tattoo on my wrist signifies I can do it and and it's all it's my mindset from child from being a child actually. Um and so I heard you I think it was on Gary Breer's podcast where you said uh just do it and you like you've been using this a lot more before the the trainer brand was Oh yeah. To be divine. We all have the power to be divine to feel divinity because the soul is all about divinity. It's about the light and we have h all the power to overcome anything that is obstructing our relationship with the divine to become divine. That is our purpose. So before uh Nike came up uh the

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before uh Nike came up uh the Greek god and and then the shoes and cell and all I was doing this in the 80s already in the canyoning uh people asked me oh is it okay to repelling from a big uh walls down and they were afraid don't think just do it because they kept on No, just do it. And then they got into this and that explosion later of [sighs] what is that? That's your soul breathing. So scientists once believed parts of your work were impossible. Now obviously with the studies and all of the information out there now, this kind of been um disproven that they were wrong and you were right. I mean what do you think changed specifically? [sighs] First of all parasympathetic sympathetic the autonomic nervous system is no longer autonomic. Yeah. And what is autonomic? Autonomy. It had autonomy. Now you have autonomy. This is what I want to teach to people. They have much more autonomy than is being told or thought of in science. That is the way we are schooled. We are schooled with a limited uh beliefs. And

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schooled with a limited uh beliefs. And so I take that away. That is one. And then the autonomous processes in the brain literally in Detroit with neuroscientists they came up with this uh study h and uh and then they published it and it says now we have the compelling evidence of the key components of the autonomous processes in the brain related to mood regulation which is emotion. So we have anything that before was autonomous outside of our will. Now that autonomy now we have literally willful autonomy over how to regulate our emotions. And that has changed science if it wants to yes or no. If the industry wants it yes or no I'm talking psychiatry. I'm talking immunology or healing, self-healing of obstacles inside you have the autonomy and science is has to take it on. But science nowadays is very corrupted through the funding of the industries who want to validate their own results, their own pills and medicines. That's where the money goes. So it has already been shown that we have much more

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been shown that we have much more autonomy but now it needs to be spread and spreading goes through this through the modern uh way of media because we found out that journalism is actually an extension tool of industries and governments to control. Most people treat recovery like it's a lifestyle problem. Sleep more, stress less, push through. But all repair happens at a cellular level and your body has a system ready for it. Stem cells which are released through your bone marrow, circulating through your blood, finding damaged tissue and rebuilding it. The problem is that the system slows down. I've been using stem regen release for a long time. It's plant-based supplement with 20 years of research behind it built around two specific extracts. A rare aloe from Madagascar and seabbat from Tibetan Plateau. Both clinically documented to support your body's natural stem cell release. Not synthetic, not a drug, your own biology working the way it was designed using nature. I take it because supporting our repair system matters more than most people realize. Use the code Tim biohacker at stemregen. co. So there was a endotoxin study. I would love you to just tell us a bit about this because I think this is, you know, really confirms the point that we've just been discussing. So here in this uh room on the corner, you got a a big first study I did by

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you got a a big first study I did by standing 80 minutes in the cold in a container full of ice up till here and then showing that my bo core body temperature remained the same like 37 ° what is that in Fahrenheit? I don't know like warm h nor you feel if there are two degrees less than 37 going down you call it hypothermia and you start shivering and you feel cold because we are mammals. Yes. So I showed no shivering. I showed that the core body temperature remained 37 ° while being 80 minutes in icy water. So there was no shivering there w it was not there and that was and then they took the blood while I was in there one arm was out because of the blood they had to take and they took 36 vials men scientists are like draal vampires they took 36 of them and six they sent to different laboratories one of them was endotoxmia laboratory And toxmia is a part of a E. oli bacteria. Ecoli bacteria makes you really sick. And a controlled experiment which is the endotoxmia experiment

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experiment experiment is a part of a an E. coli bacteria that works on the immune system as if it is a real E. coli bacteria infection. Yes. So they put my blood after me being 80 minutes in the ice into a laboratory setting and normally when you put E. coli bacteria into that blood serum you get a v uh uh violent uh reaction of the immune cells in the blood. In my case 0%. That should have been the beginning of a great NOBEL PRIZE LIKE 10 OF THEM. WE FOUND A way to nullify inflammation. Inflammation is cause and effect of any disease. Now look in what kind of world we are because this news wasn't news. It's only news when you got a a beautiful manufactured human uh uh made uh uh co nice little uh uh virus and you spread it out or Ebola and you can quote me on that anytime. I am a revolutionary and I I'm talking common sense. What has been done is about is moneymaking is about

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done is about is moneymaking is about control is industrialized. It's military. Whatever that is, I put it aside and I say, "Amen. I got good news. It doesn't cost anything to bring down what is called inflammation. Much better than before was thought possible." And they say, of course, wait, you uh What are you saying? What I say is that you are and you should be out of the game because you cannot make money over the backs of people and making them sick and then c so-called cure them. Yes, that is a blasphemy and that blasphemy I'm fighting. So ecoli bacteria was not being uh able to activate my immune cells in the blood serum. That's what they found after the first study. But that was me alone. Then they said, "Hey, but uh you you are superhuman. You are a freak of nature. You are extraordinary. You are this. You are that." Hey, say I'm whim. I'm Wimhof. I got faith that we are able simply to do a whole lot more. And I can show it to anybody. And how much days do does it take a year? one and a half year to get close to your results. I got two hands, man. 10 days and it became four days. In four days of training of of people into the

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days of training of of people into the unknown, it was not known that we could suppress inflammation. So I I took it on with my faith. Remember number eight interceptive focus, top down regulated faith and intuition. Intuition says, "Hey, is it dangerous? Yes or no? Is it really realistic what you do?" Because right now you're going to have a whole set of professors, the media, and so many test subjects upon you and you you said you're going to prove what never has been proven. You're going to do that now. Yes. I felt it. And I know this because every time I did challenges, I did 26 of these crazy challenges, Guinness World Records. Every time I did a challenge and so many other challenges I did, I depend on my intuition on what I feel. I believe in what I feel, not what people think or what is common thought. That no, that's out of the game. That is just a a power you can which can use to calculate and how much does this cost? I go to the shop. I got a bike. I need to go that a couple of those things. But for the rest, it's just get out, shut up, and be be happy, strong, and healthy. So, I learned to uh

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strong, and healthy. So, I learned to uh exactly tune in and feel it and to trust it. you don't need to so much tune in just to trust it and then I said to these doctors hey give me a group of people I will do this and we did it in four days four day days later we came back they all got the injection and they all passed not away they all passed in their examination to show that the unknown uh power of the immune system the innate immune system and the autonomic nervous system can be controlled. First time in science ever, medical science. Did you hear anything of that? Yeah, it's an amazing discovery. It's more than what Plato or Aristotle or Caesar came up with. They come up with wars and philosophies. WE MAKE IT HAPPEN. We make people feel great as they are. And that's that that's my aim. That's about the E. coli bacteria. Then they did it three times bigger and the same results. But you don't hear of it because it doesn't make the money. But let me That's why we are here in these podcasts. I'm not only ridiculous in my claims. I This is based on science. This is based

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This is based on science. This is based sh doesn't make money. Sh I know it works. Yeah. Shut up. I'm going to kill you if you don't. You know, many people are being killed for the truth. If you've learned anything from my podcasts, please give us a subscribe and follow because this helps us get much better guests ongoing. Thank you very much. It's mad, isn't it? Because I once [clears throat] I once heard that science is forever saying or should I don't know and always being disproven and that's where it it keeps on improving and yet and when you're describ when you're explaining this it's like I was thinking about a world record runner sprinter and it's like they have the world record and then all of a sudden someone comes along and smashes it and then everyone else seems to catch up and they start smashing it and then there's a new And as you're explaining this, in my mind, I could see you running off ahead, running off ahead from all of these, leaving everyone behind, going, "Aha, no, here's the new world record." As in like, "Here's something I figured out." And everyone going, "No. We're not going to catch up. We we don't believe this is possible." It just seems mind-blowing. It's like the same with inflammation and grounding. As we know, the flow of free electrons from grounding reduces inflammation in the body um by scavenging free radicals. And yet there's 26 or 27 studies in grounding alone. So when you combine ice bath, breath work, grounding together,

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bath, breath work, grounding together, what does this do for inflammation? I'm sitting here with my socks on right now, so I feel a bit of a fraud, but no, Radiation goes through. Um, yeah. Also, my feet are quite warm, so and they're quite sweaty, so I guess it could connect. But it's just, it's funny, isn't it? It's exactly the same as what you're saying is there's no money in grounding because it's free electrons or anti-inflammatory um for your body in abundance for free wherever you are in the world as long as it's not maybe central London or or something like that and yet you know people researchers are surprised and it's not everywhere it's a quite amazing extremities the hands and the feet are extremities they have a different uh blood flow altogether uh the the blood circul circulatory system is uh all connected. I know but uh if you take on uh not only grounding by going barefoot uh you are uh freeing yourself of radicals all the time and in the end it is going it's electricity we are talking about and uh if not at a certain moment you get a sort of a short circuit and it goes psychosmatically into sclerosis then they say how how is that possible? that we have a cardiovascular related diseases as killer number one. Yeah, man. We isolate from our own

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Yeah, man. We isolate from our own power. [snorts] We we take the garbage in and it is not able to ground to go out of our bodies. Yeah, but I can't see it. That's why it doesn't exist. Those are the five senses. Just look at it. If if I just came here uh on the freeway and there is always congestion at a certain point. Those are meridians under the in the earth. But nobody likes Nicola Tesla and and what really is going on in electricity and free electricity. That's what they say. Yeah. There's a congestion like at 20 years already and nobody is able to think a different level, another uh another channel another sense to make sense. and to solve a problem. So we got all these problems in our bodies related to not being grounded to have that of radicals psychosomeatically killing us and it gets back into our body and we get sclerosis. So boom, there it is. And who's going to do something about it? Doesn't make money. Hey man, you want to kill the shoe industry? You you are bad for our economy. You know from the shoe industry we get insulation and from insulation we get disease. We get

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from insulation we get disease. We get all THE HOSPITALS. DO YOU WANT TO get rid of all the nurses and the doctors? To me uh doctors don't do not exist. To me they are drug pushers drug dealers. Sorry that I'm saying it. Well, the funny thing is is um I'm not sorry. By the way, [laughter] when I um when [clears throat] I first heard about grounding, it's actually a friend, a mutual friend Matt Maruka um from RA Optics that told me about it and I thought this sounds a bit crazy, but when I read into it and looked at the science left, right, and center actually it's very very compelling and very interesting. And I saw um a case of red blood cells uh from a dark field microscope clump together before grounding and after 40 minutes of grounding. You can see the red blood cells are equidistant and beautifully flowing. Wow. And yet it's not talked about. And when I saw that I was like actually I'm going to try this myself on me. So I had my blood drawn out and I'd been on a flight to Las Vegas and I so I've been in the air for 10 hours. My body was super inflamed. They drew my blood and you can see the red blood cells are all clumped together and it was like, "Yeah, this is not in a good place. You know, perhaps you should think about having some blood thinners or something." So anyway, then I go outside and I ground on the patch of grass I can find for half an hour, 40 minutes, something like that. Go back in and they do it again. They say, "Wow, it's a miracle. Your your red blood cells are all nicely nicely um equidistant." I was like, "Yeah, this is what grounding does." No, you must have taken something. Wow. It's a miracle. Hello. Oh God. Oh,

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Wow. It's a miracle. Hello. Oh God. Oh, thank you. Oh, if we as long as we do it that way, we don't understand it. It's the grace of God. And oh, come on, man. The science is there. If we are able to bring to Mars and to land on the moon and not being able to guarantee what is the best functionality of our nervous system, immune system, of our emotion. Hey man, don't go there. Be here and start to use your technology. Well, because if we keep on ignoring AI will take over because we are dealing with M we are and we are maintaining deliberately deliberately And if people are doing that whilst having all the equipment seeing red blood cell glotting together in the end there is leukemia. In the end there is sclerosis or whatever name they come up with. It needs to end. If they don't, ignorance only has flexibility a certain time. Then a culture will collapse. It will weaken the people. And you see all these cultures in the past, the Greek culture, Egypt, uh whatever all these Mayan

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Egypt, uh whatever all these Mayan cultures etc. And they all are gone. Why? And that is decadence because we think we can control God and we can do it our way. No, we are here to be in harmony with nature, with God, to be divine. It makes me think of a a meme I saw on Instagram about a year ago and it was a father and son sitting on a beach and all the cities are crumbled and they're looking out over it. Said, "Dad, what happened?" Well, we had a lot of happy shareholders for many years as like we destroyed the world and yet everyone was rich for a time. Yes. It's just and it makes me think of this and it's an illusion to me. Well, my my oldest child is 42. My youngest is one and a half year and I got everything in between. To me, that is absolute wealth. I'm uh enjoying my uh my young kids right now and my older kids and sometimes I clash with them. But yeah, it's the Clash of the Titans. Then your children grow up and No. Yeah, I'm okay. You know, Laura, she is they are nice. They are quite indestructible. The the foundation there that is because of that spirit that has surfaced that is here and now we know it. We know it through science, through fMRIs, through blood proof, through uh uh brain scans, uh behavior behaviorists. Uh we know all

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uh behavior behaviorists. Uh we know all this now. And why are we ignoring science? That is the question right now. So that that is a qu that's what they do. They ignore science to maintain a greedy money-making scheme. And that is also biology because people want to make money. but not over my health, not over my happiness and not over the happiness or health or strength of anybody in the world. That that is uh my point. M so I want to touch on a bit bit more about [clears throat] the breath work and what it does because one of the things that's fascinating to me is one of the most basic things that we have in this world is our breath and yet it affects our hormones, our immune system, our mental state, even our microbiome. I just you know what what does breath work actually do from the man himself? It connects you with your blood. Your blood goes everywhere. And then because you alkalize it, you bring in light. Alkalinity, alkaline batteries work longer, better. H if it is not in balance, the pH degrees then uh it doesn't get throughout the body, it becomes sclerosis, acidifies, and then we get all the problems. And

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and then we get all the problems. And because we are into shallow breathing because we think when you see a tiger that is deep breathing. We lost all that but we didn't lost the stress. The stress nowadays is longterm. It's gradual. It's a it's imposed. We need to deliver into a society controlled by governments to have a quotational product uh money money and who is reaping the fruits there from some billionaires. What is that? Where is the logic of that? that energy system makes us deplete of our own uh uh happiness, strength and health which is unconditionally there. But we have to produce otherwise the mortgage, the bank, the the municip this, the the that [laughter] [laughter] there you go like a zombie and you are not alive. So, uh, I'm into bringing back that what makes us feel unconditionally happy, strong, and healthy. It's time for our soul and to inflate into a paradigm that is only serving and still making wars. What civilization is that? We didn't learn

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civilization is that? We didn't learn anything from the past than to conquer and to have and then think we got it. We got it with a T but not with a D. And it is time for the go to come in and to feel just happy, strong and healthy. This is the way I want to uh school my children just to be happy. And I see my own child of eight years. I we do homeschooling. How much faster he learns if you just leave him at his pace. Where do you think most people are breathing breathing incorrectly? Because obviously as you say it's one of the most basic things we can do as human and yet most of us seem to be under oxygenated and not connected to our breath properly. How do you think people are doing it incorrectly? Yeah, we our pH levels are not correct. our control within the circuitry the mental circuitry neurology is not there. We are departed within our own brain. We are in a different uh wave brain wave uh that makes uh uh the unison of our own brain which is the central nervous system connected to all of our body. erh being acting narrow-minded they call it but or the

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narrow-minded they call it but or the circuitry is limited and thus we are not able to control our emotions. We are not able to defy or prevent disease. We are not able to really get into an enormous amount of energy because we have no we have a limited control and what I showed through breathing suddenly we are able to feed into the brain and we saw it in brain scans 100% activity in the brain they said 16% you can control uh by YOUR WILL NO IT'S 100. It's like your house. Yeah. Are you able to get It's your house. So, we found the keys for to get into your house and you don't need to be simultaneously in the sleeping room and the living room in the kitchen, the hall, in the cellar. No, but when you need to get there, you should be able to get there. And that is what we do with the breathing. We with the breathing we open up the limited amount of electricity related to uh breath alkalinity to the pH levels into our brain and suddenly it's there to be used and we feel free.

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it's there to be used and we feel free. We feel free in our own temple, our own house, our own brain. Is this why last [clears throat] time I did breath work actually I did it with um friend of mine Rob rear in London and I was doing breath work and it was one of the best sessions I've had actually but my brain came alive and I just wanted to get my journal out and start writing things down and my brain was alive in fact I had so much clarity it was like being in the shower times 100 like really was I'm in this amazing state I'm lying in this room doing this amazing breath work I'm like all I want to do is get out a pen and paper and start writing things down and yet I'm fighting like the brain being so alive and wanting to write this stuff down because there are some really cool stuff coming up for me. Do you think that's you know kind of because of that it's waking up the brain so much more capacity. How much h how how much can you value health when you are sick? Once you become sick and then when you are healthy again. WOW. BUT DO we value that normally? So sometimes we get a it reveals the power of our mind to ourselves. Our spiritual power of the mind in this case. It's not to be experienced all the time but know that it is accessible that it is there to serve you and your purpose. Remember the purpose that is neurological network

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the purpose that is neurological network number seven proprioception the balance where are you in the universe what do you do and what do you need to heal yourself. So for whatever that is inside of ourselves we have a servant that is our brain. Our brain that serves us is our greatest alley that is not serving us is our greatest enemy. So it is time to take over control within how breathing. And you don't need to go to the extremes with the breathing to be able to activate the full potential of your brain because your intuition knows what is ahead. what kind of obstacle is ahead and it will activate exactly that. What in time it even knows intuition knows time better than us better than the thinking brain. It you get a feeling hey it can do it and that is very clear and you trust it. So learn to trust your own feeling to take on the obstacles. do a little breathing if you feel uh not right to oh I feel anxious because I got a working uh conversation uh I need to uh to do this or a presentation on a

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uh to do this or a presentation on a stage or do this or that or my mortgage and just do a little breathing because solutions there are always in an unlimited power of the mind. You just need to cleanse your brain and suddenly it connects. M have you um I'm sure you have you familiar with um the the cortisol checks that they did on people before and after grounding because for instance uh one thing that was fascinating for me and I'm going to tie this in with the the breath work and the ice and the brain expansion I would say is that people that had low cortisol or very high cortisol after grounding it brought them back to baseline and calmed anxiety and helped lift depression. Rael, I was talking to Joe Rogan about this really and he said, "Yeah, there is no science." No. 26 studies. WHAT ARE YOU TALKING JOE? Get back into simplicity. He's getting lately into much abstractism. Uh, and that's nice. I love him. He is great and all, but friends are friends if you tell the truth to each other. And one thing is man get grounding in your uh podcast and get it out there. OTHERWISE WE ARE DOING IT. So grounding. Yes man. Look what it is. It's naturally but we go pedantically with our shoes. Oh look at me with my shoes. Leather brown Italian. Nice and smooth and

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brown Italian. Nice and smooth and leather. Okay. [laughter] And and then heel high heels. YEAH, MAN. WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO YOUR BODY, TO YOUR CALVES? HEY, IT'S NICE. It's sexy. A little bit perverted sometimes, but hey, there it is. AH, IN THE SEX ACT WITH THE HERE HIGH HEELS. AMAZING. WOW. THAT'S A THAT makes my senses go. The world is a bit perverted. What I say it just ground. My mother always said, "Actnormal. It's crazy enough. And I think she is a great philosopher. She was a a god-fearing person and and she had nine babies. She thought every baby is a presence of God, a present of God. And then when she was 80, she became 80. She told me directly into me, well, my years gone. I still feel like a girl. 80 years. And then I thought, hey, I'm going to uh do something about it when I'm 80. I'm going to do world records. I'm going to show the that I'm not being schooled by nobody to be an elder to get into a garbage house called an elder home and being uh guided into death with nothing with a purpose. And I don't

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nothing with a purpose. And I don't know. I've listened all on my life and then being left as a piece of garbage just to be buried and then the next one comes. No, I'm strong. I'm going to change the world. There you have my p uh purpose and I will do it before I go. All is gone. I love this. I mean my mom's just turned 76 and um I've been I call her Mumbai hacker just for a bit of fun, but she's grounding. She's getting natural light, you know, she's doing a bit of breath work. She's working out at the gym. My stepfather too, and they're looking the best. Whereas my father is the auntie of all of that. He's medical mindset, biochem mindset. And, you know, let's say he's not in as good nick as my mom and stepfather. And it's really interesting to see how, you know, the the learnings of the connectedness of social media and things like podcasts like this because they listen to podcasts, they're reading all the books, they know. Yeah. We should go together with Gary Brea. He he's got this idea with 17 wellness centers. Last year I was in the global summit of wellness. I was the last speaker after four days and [clears throat] I had nothing premeditated. I was a keynote speaker. I I went on stage. I was just Yeah. Wellness wellness. Yeah. The well wellness well. The well is the source. The source is the soul.

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The source is the soul. Silence. And they say, "Hey, you see what is happening in Gaza right now? Those are the children. I take care. I go there. I will take care of those children. I'm a puppy. When something in the night is wrong, I rise out my bed because I want to protect my children. I am fearless about that. I will do that no matter what. My life is between them and what is happening. Yes. So uh and then I said I started to rent. I said give me your money because I will show we are able to bring the soul what the industry the pharmaceutical industry look to co what the uh how the the medical industry and the uh uh so-called doctors all did and look at the governments what they did. They don't take care of us. It's time that somebody is going to take care. Why not the wellness industry? Well source soul. It's time for the soul. I GOT A STANDING OVATION MAN. Was the first time in four days they stood UP BIG. YEAH. Me nothing pre just ranting. I'm just a simple dad. It a simple dad is a I'm not a scientist. I'm a simple man, but I'm

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a scientist. I'm a simple man, but I'm standing up against what is wrong. And what is wrong is going on. And until we are not entering into grounding, ice bathing, breathing, being really happy, strong, and healthy, and use natural ways. Common sense is gone, and we got to bring it back. And somebody's got to do it. This is the outlet by evolution and nature podcasts nowaday because journalism and and what is going on in the media is just maintaining an industry. It's not for the people. It's to control the people. So yeah, and that's all good. I understand you want to make money, but stay away from my children. Stay away from war. stay away from my health, happiness, and strength. You ain't got no business over there. If that is not what you are going to do, and they don't, then I'm going to stand up and I'm going to find a way to break the wall. So before we wrap up today and because I I I've got so many more questions we could get through and so many more interesting things to discuss, but I just like let's say someone that's listening today has not experienced any of your breath work. What what can they expect? What does it look like? Ah

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like? Ah so [clears throat] we talked about the limited amount of control we have within. I went to science. I'm not a scientist but I broke uh the existent paradigm of what we are capable of uh just by using the breath. Why don't you try it out once to go into a real depth we as humans have by which we are able to regulate our emotions absolutely to heal ourselves so much better and to have all the amount of energy and to connect with pure flow because that's who we are. We should be flowing instead of being blocked or narrow channeling in the body. Yeah, you survive, but you're not thriving. All that is waiting for you. It's a breath away, not a breath, a a breathing session away. And if it doesn't work, blame me. But if it works, bring it on to others who also want to feel the breath of life itself. So I I downloaded the app during COVID. I downloaded the app, your app actually, and did it in the garden pretty much every single day. And I find that, you know, for people watching this that haven't actually done it, I think downloading the Wimhof app from Apple um

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downloading the Wimhof app from Apple um uh store is a really good method because obviously it it's your voice guiding you through it and it's actually really fun to be recording with you today because I'm I'm so used to hearing your and I'm not ranting [laughter] in podcast man. If you go to the core problems of humanity then I'm I get the out of my way man. [laughter] There, there it is. And and the other one is the app is developed. It works. I think it is for free or not for free. I don't know what it is. I've never been on my own website. So I don't know about these things. They are being organized around me and it's okay. I just pop up like now. I have this conversation. I never had this conversation. Mhm. It's always different and I'm growing because in the end the breathing and the uh the cold together with believing is getting into more precise detailed information and making sense that we are here with purpose to be divine and to be great human beings. I think that's the perfect point to wrap up today and it's been really really fun to record with you. I love seeing your personality in in real time as well. It's been fantastic. So, Whim, thank you for some great work you're doing, Tim. Thank you very much, Tim and Whim. Bang. [laughter] You can train hard, sleep well, eat

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