Boost Energy, Mood, & Performance With Cold Plunges | Mind Pump 2386 | Vitruvian

Video·Mind Pump Show·8 min read·July 24, 2024

Cold water is often framed as a recovery tool after training. This outline reframes the plunge as a pre-workout protocol for energy, clarity, and performance while keeping the recovery tradeoffs in view.

Rethinking The Timing

Cold plunges often enter the conversation after the work is done. The athlete trains hard, generates heat, feels sore, then steps into cold water to settle the body down. That sequence has history behind it. It also deserves a more precise question.

The debate is familiar: does post-workout cold exposure help recovery, or does it interfere with the adaptation you trained to create. For endurance, soreness, or back-to-back practices, the answer can be practical. For strength and muscle growth, the timing carries more consequence. The body listens closely to what happens after effort.

Training sends a signal. It asks the body to repair, build, and become more capable. Cold water after lifting can calm pain and inflammation, but that same calming effect raises a fair concern: it can soften the signal that tells muscle to adapt. Recovery matters. So does preserving the reason you trained.

The better opening is simple. Use cold before the workout. Step into the plunge as a priming ritual, not as punishment and not as an emergency brake. You arrive at training alert, awake, and low in residual inflammation, then build heat through deliberate effort. The cold prepares; the workout expresses.

This shift changes the purpose of the plunge. It stops being only a tool for damage control and becomes a protocol for readiness. You are not trying to prove toughness in cold water. You are using discomfort with intention, so your body enters the session with clarity and your mind enters with command.

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there's a lot of debate as to whether or not having a cold plunge or cold dip or not having a cold plunge or cold dip or cold water therapy post-workout is cold water therapy post-workout is beneficial or detrimental everybody's beneficial or detrimental everybody's missing the best way to use a cold missing the best way to use a cold plunge which is preworkout yeah use your plunge which is preworkout yeah use your cold plunge before your work out and get cold plunge before your work out and get the best the best energy and performance the best the best energy and performance you've ever had in your entire life in you've ever had in your entire life in fact studies show that the production of fact studies show that the production of catacol Mees all those Feelgood catacol Mees all those Feelgood chemicals like epinephrine nor chemicals like epinephrine nor epinephrine dopamine explode more so epinephrine dopamine explode more so than if you took a pre-workout so it's a than if you took a pre-workout so it's a pre-workout without the caffeine without pre-workout without the caffeine without the stimulant whole plunge before you the stimulant whole plunge before you workout that's the best way to workout that's the best way to invigorating yes not to mention now you invigorating yes not to mention now you uh now you eliminate the the negative uh now you eliminate the the negative effects of what people on the internet effects of what people on the internet have been posing for the cold plunge have been posing for the cold plunge which is the uh anti-inflammatory blun which is the uh anti-inflammatory blun the muscle building signal type right the muscle building signal type right and so that's been the big argument is and so that's been the big argument is you do this workout you send the signal you do this workout you send the signal to build muscle and you go get in this to build muscle and you go get in this freezing cold water and it blunts the

freezing cold water and it blunts the signal to adapt and build muscle and signal to adapt and build muscle and therefore it's you know uh negligible at therefore it's you know uh negligible at best or negative and so you shouldn't do best or negative and so you shouldn't do it it's like well I never cold plunged it it's like well I never cold plunged after workouts anyways I remember um after workouts anyways I remember um you're the one the you're the first you're the one the you're the first person to introduce this do you remember person to introduce this do you remember the first time you tried this cuz it was the first time you tried this cuz it was actually Dr Brink told me to do c it was actually Dr Brink told me to do c it was cryo so long before the the cold cryo so long before the the cold plunging you know uh sensation happened plunging you know uh sensation happened on the internet uh cryotherapy hit the on the internet uh cryotherapy hit the scene like I don't know 10 years ago or scene like I don't know 10 years ago or so give or take and our good friend Dr so give or take and our good friend Dr Brink um got one of those at his Brink um got one of those at his facility and he's like yeah come try it facility and he's like yeah come try it and so I had come down and try it and and so I had come down and try it and everything like that a few times and everything like that a few times and he's like you need to do it before you he's like you need to do it before you work out sometime and and watch how you work out sometime and and watch how you feel I thought really I was like before feel I thought really I was like before I work out that sounds okay so I did it I work out that sounds okay so I did it and I thought I had one of the best and I thought I had one of the best workouts I had and I was like holy crap workouts I had and I was like holy crap that's crazy and it's exactly what you that's crazy and it's exactly what you said it said it feels it feels better than the best feels it feels better than the best caffeine rush I've ever had in my life

caffeine rush I've ever had in my life like because it's uh as stronger like because it's uh as stronger stronger without any sort of Jitter side stronger without any sort of Jitter side effects that you get when you have too effects that you get when you have too much and it's clean it feels pure it much and it's clean it feels pure it lasts uh all day long yeah and it's just lasts uh all day long yeah and it's just to get the body that cold before you go to get the body that cold before you go and heated up working out too I feel and heated up working out too I feel like it it it lasts longer in the like it it it lasts longer in the workout uh it's just I can't talk about workout uh it's just I can't talk about how I think it's so funny that people how I think it's so funny that people aren't doing it this way that so many aren't doing it this way that so many people do it post-workout you know why I people do it post-workout you know why I think people do it po well first off think people do it po well first off it's been used historically cuz back in it's been used historically cuz back in a long time ago you would see highle a long time ago you would see highle athletes doing um you know kind of athletes doing um you know kind of examples of of this like football examples of of this like football players would these big garbage cans players would these big garbage cans full of ice water and they jump in but full of ice water and they jump in but you know they were doing double days and you know they were doing double days and stuff like that yeah to help recover stuff like that yeah to help recover yeah more recovery B so I think it had yeah more recovery B so I think it had to do with something like that right to do with something like that right like oh my God I'm in so much pain and I like oh my God I'm in so much pain and I need to you know get this big need to you know get this big anti-inflammatory um type of response anti-inflammatory um type of response and so that's that's part of it the and so that's that's part of it the other part of it I think is it's hard to other part of it I think is it's hard to get into a cold plunge and I I think

get into a cold plunge and I I think when you're hot it's easier to jump in when you're hot it's easier to jump in I'm hot and sweaty for my workout now I'm hot and sweaty for my workout now I'll jump in so I think convincing I'll jump in so I think convincing people the beginning of the workout people the beginning of the workout before they're hot to get in but if you before they're hot to get in but if you do it it is I mean the the data on so do it it is I mean the the data on so catac colam Mees are these feel-good catac colam Mees are these feel-good chemicals and hormones that you release chemicals and hormones that you release epinephrine norepinephrine dopamine you epinephrine norepinephrine dopamine you know you can even put in that category know you can even put in that category they're like these they're like these motivating uh when you take caffeine or motivating uh when you take caffeine or you take a stimulant that's what you're you take a stimulant that's what you're looking for you're looking for catac looking for you're looking for catac colomine like effects or production cold colomine like effects or production cold plunge does this naturally there is no plunge does this naturally there is no downregulation of receptors there is no downregulation of receptors there is no you know uh negative side effects like you know uh negative side effects like you get with caffeine it just naturally you get with caffeine it just naturally your body just ramps up and then you go your body just ramps up and then you go and you work out and it's also great to and you work out and it's also great to start at a low inflammatory State and start at a low inflammatory State and then get into an inflammatory State then get into an inflammatory State versus go inflammatory and then go versus go inflammatory and then go anti-inflammatory it's actually a better anti-inflammatory it's actually a better approach to start with the reverse approach to start with the reverse because uh you're going to be more because uh you're going to be more effective in your workouts you're going effective in your workouts you're going to feel better in fact I this is one of

to feel better in fact I this is one of the best ways to get off of pre-workouts the best ways to get off of pre-workouts you know a lot of people don't talk you know a lot of people don't talk about the addictive properties of about the addictive properties of stimulant caffeine is a very addictive stimulant caffeine is a very addictive substance and for anybody listening substance and for anybody listening right now who's like no it's not maybe right now who's like no it's not maybe not yeah oh yeah how does it feel to not yeah oh yeah how does it feel to think about waking up and not having think about waking up and not having coffee like it makes people mad it coffee like it makes people mad it literally makes people angry think about literally makes people angry think about that yeah it's very right now so it's that yeah it's very right now so it's one of the best ways to break that habit one of the best ways to break that habit if you have this kind of pre-workout if you have this kind of pre-workout habit where you you can't get motivated habit where you you can't get motivated to work out unless you have your to work out unless you have your pre-workout like you know do 30 seconds pre-workout like you know do 30 seconds a minute in a cold plunge uh and then a minute in a cold plunge uh and then jump out dry off go work out dude jump out dry off go work out dude minimal like you can dunk your head in minimal like you can dunk your head in there and you're going to get quite a there and you're going to get quite a substantial response and I've actually substantial response and I've actually applied this quite a few times before my applied this quite a few times before my workout it was like it was so refreshing workout it was like it was so refreshing and stimulating and and again like yeah and stimulating and and again like yeah the full move is to get all the way in the full move is to get all the way in but I mean at least that by the way you but I mean at least that by the way you know you talk about the jitters and know you talk about the jitters and stuff like that right stimulants can

stuff like that right stimulants can cause physical anxiety in people we've cause physical anxiety in people we've all we all know what that feels like all we all know what that feels like right all of us have taken at one point right all of us have taken at one point too much caffeine or or too many too much caffeine or or too many stimulants God knows I have and it stimulants God knows I have and it doesn't feel good right it's like you're doesn't feel good right it's like you're wired but you feel shaky I can't exert wired but you feel shaky I can't exert max maximal strength I'm more out of max maximal strength I'm more out of breath just doesn't feel good it's breath just doesn't feel good it's physical anxiety did you guys know a lot physical anxiety did you guys know a lot of people want know this one of the ways of people want know this one of the ways one of the natural ways to help when one of the natural ways to help when when you have physical anxiety is cold when you have physical anxiety is cold water water they'll say this they'll say this like they'll say this they'll say this like if you feel lots of anxiety Splash your if you feel lots of anxiety Splash your face with cold water you know they face with cold water you know they recommend this to for kids with Tantrums recommend this to for kids with Tantrums yeah or for adults with with uh yeah or for adults with with uh regulation issues so if you're an adult regulation issues so if you're an adult and you're having uh emotional and you're having uh emotional regulation issues like like oh my God regulation issues like like oh my God I'm overwhelmed I'm going to snap is it I'm overwhelmed I'm going to snap is it to break the the the mental connection to break the the the mental connection you have yeah you're in this like mental you have yeah you're in this like mental Loop of like fear fear scared anxiety Loop of like fear fear scared anxiety Ani and it's like the shock of the cold Ani and it's like the shock of the cold is that what it is part of it part of it

is that what it is part of it part of it and but you you see this in movies too and but you you see this in movies too what they do in movies they smap they what they do in movies they smap they slap their friend or they Splash their slap their friend or they Splash their friend like snap out of it old movies friend like snap out of it old movies everybody was slapping yeah or cold everybody was slapping yeah or cold water splashing on your face type of water splashing on your face type of deal so it's this uh simultaneous waking deal so it's this uh simultaneous waking you up but also giving you calm energy you up but also giving you calm energy which is exactly what you want before which is exactly what you want before you're about to uh do something that you're about to uh do something that requires high performance I would even requires high performance I would even recommend something like this before a recommend something like this before a term paper or stuttering or studying or term paper or stuttering or studying or a presentation um and it doesn't have to a presentation um and it doesn't have to be right before by the way the effects be right before by the way the effects of a cold plunge last for a couple hours of a cold plunge last for a couple hours at the very least so you can do this at at the very least so you can do this at home because people might be like home because people might be like there's no cold plunge well it's almost there's no cold plunge well it's almost the ultimate signal to get you to to the ultimate signal to get you to to flood your system with these natural flood your system with these natural like chemicals so endogenously instead like chemicals so endogenously instead of EX exogenously yes you know spe a of EX exogenously yes you know spe a plunge I've been meaning to actually plunge I've been meaning to actually have Doug pull this the next time we had have Doug pull this the next time we had a commercial I wanted to ask him to pull a commercial I wanted to ask him to pull up the website uh cuz I I've been asked up the website uh cuz I I've been asked about the different models that they about the different models that they have they've done a really good job too

have they've done a really good job too yeah their their offerings they have so yeah their their offerings they have so many different models now it's crazy to many different models now it's crazy to have watched where they've come from have watched where they've come from right when we first met they had the one right when we first met they had the one unit was pretty much all they did and unit was pretty much all they did and they had just I remember back I don't they had just I remember back I don't know if you guys remember this but I know if you guys remember this but I remember they they didn't have more than remember they they didn't have more than like 50 of them on hand that was all like 50 of them on hand that was all they had so now look at all the they had so now look at all the different styles sizes and options that different styles sizes and options that they have so start with that that one is they have so start with that that one is a cool at Park City is so cool yeah we a cool at Park City is so cool yeah we all went in there ever went in there all went in there ever went in there like Ethan didn't go in there but I was like Ethan didn't go in there but I was actually surprised Allin the plunge actually surprised Allin the plunge party PL I didn't know they had a party party PL I didn't know they had a party plunge now you jump in with friends shut plunge now you jump in with friends shut up oh wow an air an air one a popup one up oh wow an air an air one a popup one so the popup one is the like the base so the popup one is the like the base model inexpensive I bet the air one is model inexpensive I bet the air one is pretty cheap too what's the does it have pretty cheap too what's the does it have the prices on their D can't it does yeah the prices on their D can't it does yeah it's uh 2,000 for the party plunge but it's uh 2,000 for the party plunge but the air is uh 4,200 and then the pop-up the air is uh 4,200 and then the pop-up is only 150 bucks yeah so so the other is only 150 bucks yeah so so the other ones come with something that ones come with something that refrigerates the the the water and and refrigerates the the the water and and cleans it thep up one I think you just

cleans it thep up one I think you just you fill it up yourself but you can you fill it up yourself but you can separately if I'm not mistaken buy the separately if I'm not mistaken buy the priller right next to yeah you could buy priller right next to yeah you could buy something like that to to attach to it something like that to to attach to it right right so that it it cools it down right right so that it it cools it down for you yeah it's funny too because uh for you yeah it's funny too because uh it is interesting right God the fitness it is interesting right God the fitness space is so funny with this where they space is so funny with this where they take something with value and then they take something with value and then they use it in the wrong way and they sell it use it in the wrong way and they sell it the wrong way and it's like it's right the wrong way and it's like it's right in front of your face like do this in front of your face like do this preworkout don't worry about blunting preworkout don't worry about blunting any muscle building signal okay you're any muscle building signal okay you're going to get a better workout your going to get a better workout your intensity is going to go up you're intensity is going to go up you're probably going to be able to handle more probably going to be able to handle more volume and you're not going to and volume and you're not going to and you're going to get rid of the potential you're going to get rid of the potential negative effects that come from negative effects that come from stimulant use you know and I'll even say stimulant use you know and I'll even say this if you like your pre-workout try this if you like your pre-workout try half a dose and then do this I wouldn't half a dose and then do this I wouldn't go full dose and then do this you might go full dose and then do this you might be too much yeah you know nice be too much yeah you know nice combination of of the two of them and combination of of the two of them and and also too just the value of doing and also too just the value of doing hard things right to have having hard things right to have having something that you do that's difficult something that you do that's difficult to do I there's something to be said to do I there's something to be said about either starting your day off with about either starting your day off with it or doing it before a workout like as it or doing it before a workout like as far as is what it what it does for you

far as is what it what it does for you it's a great discipline to add 100 100% it's a great discipline to add 100 100% so you know what the catac Coline so you know what the catac Coline production by the way that that comes production by the way that that comes from plunge that like cold plunging that from plunge that like cold plunging that some people exhibit addictive uh oh yeah some people exhibit addictive uh oh yeah yeah they get addicted to it I'm sure I yeah they get addicted to it I'm sure I mean it makes sense I mean their mean it makes sense I mean their Feelgood chemicals if you make the Feelgood chemicals if you make the argument that it Rivals a pre-workout argument that it Rivals a pre-workout energy drink that are extremely energy drink that are extremely addictive you know obviously we know addictive you know obviously we know caffeine is addictive but part of it is caffeine is addictive but part of it is not so much just what the the chemical not so much just what the the chemical itself inside your body but the effect itself inside your body but the effect of it that the addictive part so I of it that the addictive part so I imagine that could be that way for imagine that could be that way for sure today's giveaway on YouTube is Maps sure today's giveaway on YouTube is Maps aesthetic to enter to win leave a aesthetic to enter to win leave a comment below this video on the first 24 comment below this video on the first 24 hours we drop it subscribe to this hours we drop it subscribe to this Channel and turn on notifications if you Channel and turn on notifications if you win we'll let you know in the comments win we'll let you know in the comments section we also have a sale on workout section we also have a sale on workout programs this month Maps split is half programs this month Maps split is half off and the sexy athlete bundle of off and the sexy athlete bundle of programs is also half off if you're programs is also half off if you're interested just click on the link at the

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terms of like the ramping up and the fact that it actually happened is what's fact that it actually happened is what's crazy when you talk about what you guys crazy when you talk about what you guys have been saying forever okay and what have been saying forever okay and what you guys like talking we didn't want you guys like talking we didn't want yeah I didn't want this to I mean I I'll yeah I didn't want this to I mean I I'll tell you right now I've heard you both tell you right now I've heard you both say multiple times in the last year that say multiple times in the last year that someone's going to try and kill him yeah someone's going to try and kill him yeah sure so it's not like it's that the fact sure so it's not like it's that the fact that you said it you know what though that you said it you know what though there's always I guess it's just one of there's always I guess it's just one of those things where it's like I said it those things where it's like I said it but but there's always a part of me but but there's always a part of me there's always a piece of me that wishes there's always a piece of me that wishes it's not true some of the stuff that I it's not true some of the stuff that I think so I think it's true and then think so I think it's true and then there's part of me that goes I hope not there's part of me that goes I hope not here's here's where I go with all of here's here's where I go with all of this because you know we're now uh I this because you know we're now uh I don't know four years out from uh the don't know four years out from uh the whole covid situation I think that was a whole covid situation I think that was a very clear very clear example of just very clear very clear example of just how distorted twisted and fake uh the how distorted twisted and fake uh the the media is in particular um and how the media is in particular um and how they're being used by who knows what who they're being used by who knows what who knows who is who's using the media but knows who is who's using the media but it's crazy so that was really clear and it's crazy so that was really clear and and as we've come out of that and look

and as we've come out of that and look back it's very easy to look back bought back it's very easy to look back bought and paid for it's very easy to look back and paid for it's very easy to look back now and go the entire narrative was fake now and go the entire narrative was fake they were lying to us about propaga they were lying to us about propaga about everything and it it was just about everything and it it was just [ __ ] um and I don't believe anything [ __ ] um and I don't believe anything they say then moving into the selection they say then moving into the selection you know and there's all this you know and there's all this controversy around Trump and his felony controversy around Trump and his felony charges and this and that and you're charges and this and that and you're kind of like I don't know too much about kind of like I don't know too much about it but I'm like God it looks like it but I'm like God it looks like they're I mean they're really hammering they're I mean they're really hammering this guy and I see them go after other this guy and I see them go after other people in media like Elon Musk they used people in media like Elon Musk they used to love him and then they hated him and to love him and then they hated him and yeah all this other stuff like this is yeah all this other stuff like this is wild right this is crazy then Biden does wild right this is crazy then Biden does the debate the media overnight flips on the debate the media overnight flips on him the same people who said he was so him the same people who said he was so he's so sharp and so great all of a he's so sharp and so great all of a sudden he's terrible yeah and I'm like sudden he's terrible yeah and I'm like what is going on here they didn't see what is going on here they didn't see any signs the last few years and then any signs the last few years and then this thing happens with Trump and I this thing happens with Trump and I don't I mean it's crazy like like the don't I mean it's crazy like like the the there there were people pointing out the there there were people pointing out that there was a guy on the roof for that there was a guy on the roof for minutes before anybody else how he got minutes before anybody else how he got on there is insane it's got to be the on there is insane it's got to be the worst Secret Service of all time this is

worst Secret Service of all time this is it's just wild to me so wild to me it's just wild to me so wild to me follow I follow a couple people like uh follow I follow a couple people like uh Tim Kennedy's an example there's a Tim Kennedy's an example there's a couple other guys that I follow that are couple other guys that I follow that are like ex sniper military trained guys like ex sniper military trained guys right and they were breaking down the right and they were breaking down the whole like setup of it and there's and I whole like setup of it and there's and I mean obviously when they do big rallies mean obviously when they do big rallies for like presidential candidates like for like presidential candidates like that they think about these things that they think about these things there's only certain Vantage points that there's only certain Vantage points that you even have accessible they they set you even have accessible they they set it up in a they clear it weeks before it up in a they clear it weeks before yeah they said they it's obviously well yeah they said they it's obviously well thought out and they and they put they thought out and they and they put they position the potential candidate or the position the potential candidate or the candidate in a position where they feel candidate in a position where they feel tactically they're they're very much so tactically they're they're very much so in control of the situation and they he in control of the situation and they he broke down like the Vantage Point like broke down like the Vantage Point like there was only like a win like if you there was only like a win like if you look at consider a Pie as a possibility look at consider a Pie as a possibility there was only about a a third of the there was only about a a third of the pie that there was even opportunity for pie that there was even opportunity for a shooter to exist and then of that a shooter to exist and then of that third of the pie

third of the pie more than half of it was field and more than half of it was field and openness that you could totally see and openness that you could totally see and there was literally only like two areas there was literally only like two areas just a few roofs yes that would be a just a few roofs yes that would be a potential legitimate shot and the fact potential legitimate shot and the fact that we didn't have our own snipers but that we didn't have our own snipers but our snipers are already pointing in that our snipers are already pointing in that direction and we didn't already have direction and we didn't already have that area completely cleared is so weird that area completely cleared is so weird to me it's so weird it's only weird if to me it's so weird it's only weird if you if you don't think that um this was you if you don't think that um this was coordinated planned and that there's coordinated planned and that there's it's an inside job and I I'm saying what it's an inside job and I I'm saying what everybody the amount of people that everybody the amount of people that would need to be in on it you don't need would need to be in on it you don't need you don't need a lot of people you don't you don't need a lot of people you don't you need a few people yeah you need a you need a few people yeah you need a few people okay a few of the right very few people okay a few of the right very right people it's like okay let's say right people it's like okay let's say you have an inside guy or gal okay that you have an inside guy or gal okay that inside because they have to be inside of inside because they have to be inside of the uh Secret Service tail enough of it the uh Secret Service tail enough of it enough of them so and then not only that enough of them so and then not only that but they need to be the ones who just but they need to be the ones who just luckily got sectioned to that area so luckily got sectioned to that area so you would have to know that here's my you would have to know that here's my plant my mole they need to also be

plant my mole they need to also be responsible for the area thator responsible for the area thator obviously can can structure that who obviously can can structure that who what the director of The Secret Service what the director of The Secret Service like they'd be able to structure the like they'd be able to structure the team and and who goes there okay that's team and and who goes there okay that's a good point because I'm thinking of a good point because I'm thinking of like uh it would have to go that high up like uh it would have to go that high up then because it couldn't be one of the then because it couldn't be one of the actual he's made a lot of enemies with actual he's made a lot of enemies with the the FBI you know while he was in was the the FBI you know while he was in was firing C right didn't he he fired the firing C right didn't he he fired the CIA guy right away right didn't he do CIA guy right away right didn't he do that is that right yeah I don't know I that is that right yeah I don't know I didn't he you guys you guys are the didn't he you guys you guys are the [ __ ] political people come on yeah I [ __ ] political people come on yeah I don't know you guys don't remember he don't know you guys don't remember he fired a bunch of people he was either fired a bunch of people he was either head of or head of FBI I'm pretty sure head of or head of FBI I'm pretty sure it was oh it might have been FBI you it was oh it might have been FBI you might be right it was FBI is what it was might be right it was FBI is what it was my bad so yeah I mean so the there was my bad so yeah I mean so the there was already that contention there and so already that contention there and so it's like it's I don't know it's not it's like it's I don't know it's not that far-fetched to to think that there that far-fetched to to think that there could be an organized uh you know could be an organized uh you know staging of this from within yeah it's staging of this from within yeah it's it's so wild to me it's so crazy that it's so wild to me it's so crazy that this stuff is happening and it's so

this stuff is happening and it's so obvious and I mean you go back to so is obvious and I mean you go back to so is look at all the stuff that's happened look at all the stuff that's happened recently we had Co you had Epstein MH recently we had Co you had Epstein MH does anybody believe the story around does anybody believe the story around Epstein no they haven't released Epstein no they haven't released anything why probably because they have anything why probably because they have blackmail on a bunch of people they blackmail on a bunch of people they don't want to give up because they're don't want to give up because they're still working with them yeah then you still working with them yeah then you have this flip this weird like coverage have this flip this weird like coverage of Biden like he's not doesn't have of Biden like he's not doesn't have dementia completely lying about it and dementia completely lying about it and then a flip about it and then this thing then a flip about it and then this thing with now this assassination attempt with with now this assassination attempt with Trump by the way the the some of these Trump by the way the the some of these news outlets what they're saying the day news outlets what they're saying the day after like and we'll see how how well it after like and we'll see how how well it ages oh my God but some of it is just no ages oh my God but some of it is just no ah it's they're getting blasted for it ah it's they're getting blasted for it Justin did you hear my uh conspiracy Justin did you hear my uh conspiracy theory that's hear okay so I mean since theory that's hear okay so I mean since you guys have have you know roped me you guys have have you know roped me into these we didn't have to it was into these we didn't have to it was take you're not here by now I don't know take you're not here by now I don't know it's right in face one of the things s's it's right in face one of the things s's been saying for a very long time uh or been saying for a very long time uh or lead I should say very long time for the lead I should say very long time for the last 6 to8 months he's been saying like last 6 to8 months he's been saying like the the demms are going to find an

the the demms are going to find an excuse to get rid of Biden like and excuse to get rid of Biden like and you've noticed in the last when he did you've noticed in the last when he did the they pushed the debate up early the they pushed the debate up early strange but obviously strategically if strange but obviously strategically if you're thinking about getting rid of him you're thinking about getting rid of him they put him out there in a debate where they put him out there in a debate where they know he's going to get destroyed they know he's going to get destroyed and then now all a sudden the all the TV and then now all a sudden the all the TV networks have flipped so so if this if networks have flipped so so if this if so his first the the press conferences so his first the the press conferences now they're screening questions to now they're screening questions to challenge him right okay so if that challenge him right okay so if that conspiracy theory is right that that's conspiracy theory is right that that's the direction going then here's next the direction going then here's next layer to this this whole thing on Trump layer to this this whole thing on Trump has nothing to do with Trump and this has nothing to do with Trump and this was the setup actually killing Biden and was the setup actually killing Biden and that and to blame it on a Maga person so that and to blame it on a Maga person so this whole thing was set up that to get this whole thing was set up that to get rid of Biden and to do we can't just rid of Biden and to do we can't just have him step out or what that because have him step out or what that because we've been but if we gets assassinated we've been but if we gets assassinated and the way he gets assassinated is we and the way he gets assassinated is we have we hire some 20-year-old kid who have we hire some 20-year-old kid who can't shoot straight after to shoot at can't shoot straight after to shoot at Trump knowing he's probably going to Trump knowing he's probably going to miss and if he doesn't miss then we miss and if he doesn't miss then we knock we kill two birds with one stone I knock we kill two birds with one stone I think you're close cuz I this is what I think you're close cuz I this is what I think here's the deal here's why what

think here's the deal here's why what you're saying is wouldn't work if you you're saying is wouldn't work if you try to assassinate Trump and try to miss try to assassinate Trump and try to miss all you're going to do is guarantee he's all you're going to do is guarantee he's going to win the presid the next like going to win the presid the next like logical progression you guarantee like logical progression you guarantee like like is what's happening right now like is what's happening right now trying to put federal charges on him trying to put federal charges on him like right now he they missed and now like right now he they missed and now he's going to for sure here where here's he's going to for sure here where here's where I disagree with that okay because where I disagree with that okay because there's a lot of people that well I'm there's a lot of people that well I'm not done there's more so what it could not done there's more so what it could have been based off what you're saying have been based off what you're saying is assassinate Trump he actually dies is assassinate Trump he actually dies get him out of the way then go after get him out of the way then go after Biden and blame him on magga now you've Biden and blame him on magga now you've got two new people in there and now you got two new people in there and now you have a chance cuz missing Trump and now have a chance cuz missing Trump and now him surviving there isn't a Democrat him surviving there isn't a Democrat alive that would run against that's not alive that would run against that's not true if if Michelle Obama steps in in true if if Michelle Obama steps in in replace of Biden no way not right now replace of Biden no way not right now maybe before no here it doesn't need to maybe before no here it doesn't need to be S they don't necessarily need to win be S they don't necessarily need to win they just need to be believable enough they just need to be believable enough that people if they there's already okay that people if they there's already okay there's already enough stuff that came there's already enough stuff that came out about the the voter fraud stuff from out about the the voter fraud stuff from the last one right there's already stuff

the last one right there's already stuff that it came out that way so if they that it came out that way so if they have the ability whether it's your have the ability whether it's your argument 1% or 5% or whatever to to to argument 1% or 5% or whatever to to to mess with that then all they need is it mess with that then all they need is it to be plausible with Biden there it's to be plausible with Biden there it's not plausible whatsoever but if he's out not plausible whatsoever but if he's out the picture and you slide in a candidate the picture and you slide in a candidate that's plausible that's all we need what that's plausible that's all we need what do you think about that I think there's do you think about that I think there's a lot of speculation going on here a lot of speculation going on here obiously what we're playing right now obiously what we're playing right now come on playing I I just don't think you come on playing I I just don't think you can uh you can predict it I think it's can uh you can predict it I think it's totally unpredictable we don't know what totally unpredictable we don't know what these people are up to behind the scenes these people are up to behind the scenes uh I mean is this a grand plan how are uh I mean is this a grand plan how are they going to use it to their benefit they going to use it to their benefit are you still going to argue with me are you still going to argue with me when a Maga person takes down Biden then when a Maga person takes down Biden then uh if they if they did uh then first of uh if they if they did uh then first of all there's nobody that would replace all there's nobody that would replace Biden now at this point that could beat Biden now at this point that could beat Trump there nobody could beat Trump now Trump there nobody could beat Trump now I I think it's crazy I think it's crazy I I think it's crazy I think it's crazy I don't believe he's Untouchable I will I don't believe he's Untouchable I will say that I don't believe that unless you say that I don't believe that unless you know how many people said that the last

know how many people said that the last last time you know how many people said last time you know how many people said that he was untouched and there's no way that he was untouched and there's no way he could lose last and he lost so not he could lose last and he lost so not like this I don't know I mean there's a like this I don't know I mean there's a long time you're right there's a long long time you're right there's a long time and a lot of stuff could happen but time and a lot of stuff could happen but he would have to really royally [ __ ] up he would have to really royally [ __ ] up now at this point and if they replace now at this point and if they replace Biden at this point anybody who steps in Biden at this point anybody who steps in uh is going to look like they're either uh is going to look like they're either part of it or what very hard having part of it or what very hard having someone jump in now at this point would someone jump in now at this point would be political suicide be political suicide so I don't know yeah I don't I don't so I don't know yeah I don't I don't agree with that I think there's still agree with that I think there's still enough people that I think it's more I enough people that I think it's more I think it's more plausible something think it's more plausible something massive is going to happen that's what I massive is going to happen that's what I think and a lot of people are worried think and a lot of people are worried that something big we just had an that something big we just had an assassination attempt on the president assassination attempt on the president what else what else do you want we're I what else what else do you want we're I think that's step number one in the big think that's step number one in the big plan of things yeah I feel like we're plan of things yeah I feel like we're going to see a lot more this summer oh going to see a lot more this summer oh man I hope not what are they going to do man I hope not what are they going to do aliens Justin just wait for it are we aliens Justin just wait for it are we going to go aliens yet I don't know it's going to go aliens yet I don't know it's it's frustrating because it's like are

it's frustrating because it's like are we going to do anything about it you we going to do anything about it you know like and and if so if anybody does know like and and if so if anybody does anything gets manipulated and and then anything gets manipulated and and then they just get like they find some excuse they just get like they find some excuse to slap charges on people that are going to slap charges on people that are going to be in opposition to uh you know this to be in opposition to uh you know this this crazy [ __ ] up corrupt thing that this crazy [ __ ] up corrupt thing that we have no matter what you believe at we have no matter what you believe at the end of the day it's it's really the end of the day it's it's really really sad for the American people it's really sad for the American people it's a really really sad unfortunate time a really really sad unfortunate time right now loss of right now loss of that we can't we can't unify over that we can't we can't unify over something that we're that we're we're something that we're that we're we're just continuing to drive this wedge uh just continuing to drive this wedge uh amongst ourselves I think that's the amongst ourselves I think that's the result and such a such a such an result and such a such a such an incredible time to be alive for uh incredible time to be alive for uh Health Prosperity when things like that Health Prosperity when things like that like it to to to cause this much if you like it to to to cause this much if you go back if you go back to to JFK uh go back if you go back to to JFK uh because that was deep State and then you because that was deep State and then you know uh what's who was it afterwards the know uh what's who was it afterwards the other Kennedy uh also s that's all deep other Kennedy uh also s that's all deep State that's all been pretty established

State that's all been pretty established right I think the Deep state or whoever right I think the Deep state or whoever it is even Martin Luther King like come it is even Martin Luther King like come on they've been doing this for a long on they've been doing this for a long time it's not like yeah it's not like time it's not like yeah it's not like this hasn't happened so I don't you know this hasn't happened so I don't you know reacy thing is like it's real and I reacy thing is like it's real and I think the reason why it's so hard to think the reason why it's so hard to unify people today is because media uh unify people today is because media uh or advertising has gotten so or advertising has gotten so effective that you now can go on social effective that you now can go on social media find your people become more and media find your people become more and more rage cuz they've identified this a more rage cuz they've identified this a long time ago if I want to change Doug's long time ago if I want to change Doug's mind if I want to get him to vote for me mind if I want to get him to vote for me it's way easier to do that if I get him it's way easier to do that if I get him to hate the other guy it's way harder to to hate the other guy it's way harder to get him to vote for me just because he get him to vote for me just because he likes me that's hard but getting you to likes me that's hard but getting you to vote for me because you hate the other vote for me because you hate the other guy that's easy and so when you look at guy that's easy and so when you look at what what's put out there it's all what what's put out there it's all getting people pissed off so that's why getting people pissed off so that's why you see this crazy like this divide you see this crazy like this divide where you know did you know now when where you know did you know now when people date this was this is weird this people date this was this is weird this only happened the last maybe 20 years only happened the last maybe 20 years when people date one of the top most

when people date one of the top most important things for them is the important things for them is the person's political um affiliation that's person's political um affiliation that's crazy that I'm not going to date someone crazy that I'm not going to date someone if they vote for this person over here if they vote for this person over here crazy I know it's become the religion crazy I know it's become the religion you know like you said yeah it's it's you know like you said yeah it's it's all just these wedge Point issues that all just these wedge Point issues that uh you know you want to highlight uh you know you want to highlight because it'll create this separation you because it'll create this separation you can like siphon off your voters to this can like siphon off your voters to this direction it got so intense this is direction it got so intense this is where we are now you know there's a where we are now you know there's a violent uh result of of that kind of uh violent uh result of of that kind of uh you know rhetoric yeah the rhetoric so you know rhetoric yeah the rhetoric so yeah it's so unfortunate we'll see we'll yeah it's so unfortunate we'll see we'll see what happens where you what you guys see what happens where you what you guys all doing when if I was at Max's uh uh all doing when if I was at Max's uh uh birthday we had Max's little birthday birthday we had Max's little birthday party someone said it and I like what party someone said it and I like what turn on TV right away and and it popped turn on TV right away and and it popped out we were we were going to come to the out we were we were going to come to the party sorry we missed it but we were out party sorry we missed it but we were out at this Festival what festival were you at this Festival what festival were you at it's like a it was like a cider and at it's like a it was like a cider and and beer festival oh okay yeah I do cool and beer festival oh okay yeah I do cool things you guys are well I was going we things you guys are well I was going we were heading we're about to head over were heading we're about to head over and then in the morning my niece she's

and then in the morning my niece she's been staying with us for uh last 5 weeks been staying with us for uh last 5 weeks or so she the night before she's like my or so she the night before she's like my eyes feel weird and we looked at like eyes feel weird and we looked at like look a little swollen huh that's kind of look a little swollen huh that's kind of weird so like we'll keep an eye on it weird so like we'll keep an eye on it she woke up in the morning her eyes were she woke up in the morning her eyes were so swollen both of them and you know so swollen both of them and you know it's not my kids I'm like oh [ __ ] like I it's not my kids I'm like oh [ __ ] like I feel responsible like what do I do so uh feel responsible like what do I do so uh you know I tried to make an appointment you know I tried to make an appointment did a virtual call sent it you know the did a virtual call sent it you know the doctors like head into the emergency or doctors like head into the emergency or urgent urgent care they said cuz it urgent urgent care they said cuz it could be an infection turned out to be could be an infection turned out to be some kind of weird allergic reaction but some kind of weird allergic reaction but I was like oh man I hope might watch I was like oh man I hope might watch this poor kid oh God crazy affection you this poor kid oh God crazy affection you never want something like that on your never want something like that on your watch some else's kids she don't want to watch some else's kids she don't want to leave the her bedroom you know I'm not leave the her bedroom you know I'm not coming out I don't like the way I look coming out I don't like the way I look teenage girl you know it was a teenage girl you know it was a 5-year-old party you guys aren't missing 5-year-old party you guys aren't missing much or whatever even though it was did much or whatever even though it was did you was it good yeah no it was great I you was it good yeah no it was great I uh you I had forgotten how this even uh you I had forgotten how this even came to be like last year um I it's so came to be like last year um I it's so funny it was after the fact I was like funny it was after the fact I was like oh that's right this is how this is why

oh that's right this is how this is why this played out this way last year uh this played out this way last year uh leading up to Max's birthday I remember leading up to Max's birthday I remember that Katrina and I uh got into it about that Katrina and I uh got into it about it because there was so much stress and it because there was so much stress and pressure the three days leading up to pressure the three days leading up to who's going to do this and what are we who's going to do this and what are we going to do this and I got families come going to do this and I got families come over this day and and I remember and the over this day and and I remember and the way it went down is I remember it was way it went down is I remember it was like the there was like a Friday night like the there was like a Friday night or something I don't remember what exact or something I don't remember what exact day it was but it was like a night that day it was but it was like a night that normally would be like Katrina and I normally would be like Katrina and I could do something and she's like oh no could do something and she's like oh no I got to prep for the thing on Saturday I got to prep for the thing on Saturday still for Max's birthday and I'm was still for Max's birthday and I'm was like he's four this is back like what like he's four this is back like what are you doing like why are we spending are you doing like why are we spending weeks like over this and stressing over weeks like over this and stressing over it and getting up early and staying up it and getting up early and staying up till midnight and like cutting into our till midnight and like cutting into our time and other stuff like that this is time and other stuff like that this is ridiculous kids not going to remember ridiculous kids not going to remember any of this stuff and I remember I any of this stuff and I remember I remember her giving me [ __ ] and going remember her giving me [ __ ] and going like well then you plan his birthday like well then you plan his birthday party and I was like I will next year party and I was like I will next year right so that so was this one planned by

right so that so was this one planned by you yeah so so well no Universal so I you yeah so so well no Universal so I said you know I'm going to do what I'm said you know I'm going to do what I'm going to do for him is I'm going to do going to do for him is I'm going to do something that he wants to do that he'll something that he wants to do that he'll remember and that's it and get him a remember and that's it and get him a present that's it like that's his present that's it like that's his birthday right so Universal Studios was birthday right so Universal Studios was my idea I go he's in love with Mario my idea I go he's in love with Mario Land like his best friend and my best Land like his best friend and my best friend we all went down there and we friend we all went down there and we made a weekend out of Universal Studios made a weekend out of Universal Studios and it was happy birthday epic now what and it was happy birthday epic now what I had I forgot that's how we got to this I had I forgot that's how we got to this right and I and as we were getting right and I and as we were getting closer and Katrina is so good about like closer and Katrina is so good about like you know you know you know how your you know you know you know how your wives probably know when to say stuff to wives probably know when to say stuff to you when you're they know you're not you when you're they know you're not listening but they but they can say like listening but they but they can say like I told you you know I told you about it I told you you know I told you about it so I was probably say yeah exactly so I so I was probably say yeah exactly so I was like probably distracted and K is was like probably distracted and K is like hey you know we're GNA have a like hey you know we're GNA have a little family thing for Max because they little family thing for Max because they won't get to go to Universal and so I won't get to go to Universal and so I wanted to have like so they could sing wanted to have like so they could sing happy birthday to him like oh yeah yeah happy birthday to him like oh yeah yeah okay yeah you so I did one of those okay yeah you so I did one of those right and so I was like we're getting right and so I was like we're getting closer to the date uh to his birthday

closer to the date uh to his birthday you know here comes like I'm you know you know here comes like I'm you know Amazon every day you know box after box Amazon every day you know box after box after box of stuff and I'm like what's after box of stuff and I'm like what's all this what is all this oh it's just all this what is all this oh it's just decorations for Max's party Max's party decorations for Max's party Max's party I thought we're just having family over I thought we're just having family over like that well yeah you know I want a like that well yeah you know I want a couple a couple things we're going to couple a couple things we're going to put up like that bro by the time this put up like that bro by the time this weekend and same thing happened again weekend and same thing happened again the two three days leading up staying up the two three days leading up staying up till midnight making and baking till midnight making and baking organizing family coming over I thought organizing family coming over I thought you own this birthday you own this birthday yeah I did not own it what's we had we yeah I did not own it what's we had we had a a balloon artist we had a face had a a balloon artist we had a face painter we had a cotton candy machine we painter we had a cotton candy machine we had a snow con machine we had the blowup had a snow con machine we had the blowup thing we had the water slide thing we thing we had the water slide thing we just and then the whole house from you just and then the whole house from you walking in was all Mario decorated with walking in was all Mario decorated with stuff on every wall all the the peanut stuff on every wall all the the peanut butter and jelly sandwiches were made butter and jelly sandwiches were made out of stars from Nintendo and the out of stars from Nintendo and the bananas had little eyes and faces I mean bananas had little eyes and faces I mean it was just over the [ __ ] top bro and it was just over the [ __ ] top bro and like a wedding yes yes and and and and

like a wedding yes yes and and and and it like it didn't dawn on me until I had it like it didn't dawn on me until I had a moment of like again same thing had a moment of like again same thing had happened again I can't remember simple I happened again I can't remember simple I wanted to do something with Katrina and wanted to do something with Katrina and she's like oh I got to stay I got to do she's like oh I got to stay I got to do all this stuff I'm like still more stuff all this stuff I'm like still more stuff and then I was like oh I remember this and then I was like oh I remember this is how we got here and I it all came is how we got here and I it all came rushing in I went that's right last year rushing in I went that's right last year we were here I got irritated because we were here I got irritated because these parties were cutting into my alone these parties were cutting into my alone time with my wife and I said next year time with my wife and I said next year I'm planning you gave me it you let me I'm planning you gave me it you let me plan Universal but then you just threw a plan Universal but then you just threw a party on top of that like I totally lost party on top of that like I totally lost in the situation no idea he had two in the situation no idea he had two parties two parties not only that but parties two parties not only that but and then he went over and saw Katrina's and then he went over and saw Katrina's mom Katrina's mom decorated her house mom Katrina's mom decorated her house did thing for him so now my son's like did thing for him so now my son's like what are we doing Tuesday it's like what what are we doing Tuesday it's like what what do you mean son like am I having what do you mean son like am I having another birthday I'm like no dude you're another birthday I'm like no dude you're not having any more birthday parties not having any more birthday parties just three more parties yeah dude it's just three more parties yeah dude it's not a big deal dude that is hilarious not a big deal dude that is hilarious but it was a good it was a it was a good

but it was a good it was a it was a good time um and it what it was did you get time um and it what it was did you get our gift that you should have got an our gift that you should have got an email uh oh no you know what I haven't email uh oh no you know what I haven't even I haven't even opened my uh my even I haven't even opened my uh my email up I will open it up I I should email up I will open it up I I should have sent it to have sent it to Katrina think actually I'm glad you said Katrina think actually I'm glad you said that cuz I had a couple people say that that cuz I had a couple people say that check your emao like you got stuff check your emao like you got stuff that'll be coming for him but yeah I that'll be coming for him but yeah I know he's uh he's he's you know what's know he's uh he's he's you know what's so funny about him too that I just so funny about him too that I just cracking me up I sent you guys a picture cracking me up I sent you guys a picture yesterday of this this kid uh is timid yesterday of this this kid uh is timid to go on the most basic you know kitty to go on the most basic you know kitty kitty kid ride uh but screaming in the kitty kid ride uh but screaming in the car you know with the engine roaring car you know with the engine roaring fall as falls asleep dude I mean Indian fall as falls asleep dude I mean Indian style on the on the thing and just style on the on the thing and just passes out like every single time dude passes out like every single time dude it's the funniest thing to me cutest it's the funniest thing to me cutest pictures dud yeah it's uh it's it's it's pictures dud yeah it's uh it's it's it's soothing yeah noise dude speaking of uh soothing yeah noise dude speaking of uh packages and stuff I we got a package at packages and stuff I we got a package at at the front and I open it up I'm like

at the front and I open it up I'm like essential amino acids like I don't order essential amino acids like I don't order no essential amino acids and I look at no essential amino acids and I look at the box it's like Jessica I'm like hey the box it's like Jessica I'm like hey yeah I'm like hey what's happening her yeah I'm like hey what's happening her she comes like did you order amino acids she comes like did you order amino acids oh you know the doctor she she was oh you know the doctor she she was telling the phone with this she's telling the phone with this she's working with this this hormone working with this this hormone specialist and they're sending her some specialist and they're sending her some stuff they must have sold her they must stuff they must have sold her they must have sold her Amino I'm like babe you have sold her Amino I'm like babe you got closed yeah she like what you I'm got closed yeah she like what you I'm like do you not listen to my you listen like do you not listen to my you listen to every episode I why are you taking to every episode I why are you taking essential amino acids you don't you know essential amino acids you don't you know you can take a scoop of protein powder I you can take a scoop of protein powder I didn't get clothes like yeah you did didn't get clothes like yeah you did well I wasn't paying attention Katrina well I wasn't paying attention Katrina and I have had the exact same situation and I have had the exact same situation with the similar type of and then like with the similar type of and then like you know what it is too it's like you know what it is too it's like different branding different name different branding different name different something like that and so I'm different something like that and so I'm like hun turn it around look at it it's like hun turn it around look at it it's literally what you hear us talk about or literally what you hear us talk about or you already have this at the house you already have this at the house already like you didn't need to go buy already like you didn't need to go buy their brand of their thing no no no their brand of their thing no no no anyway good time oh I did I you know I anyway good time oh I did I you know I got to say this I did uh over the got to say this I did uh over the weekend uh because we had to stay home I weekend uh because we had to stay home I did some grilling and I hadn't you

did some grilling and I hadn't you grilled I did I'm not like you guys you grilled I did I'm not like you guys you guys are connoisseur like you guys are guys are connoisseur like you guys are real Grill Masters I just throw it on I real Grill Masters I just throw it on I didn't think you actually did it all didn't think you actually did it all like I mean Jessica's text me about like I mean Jessica's text me about barbecuing and so I assum she does the barbecuing and so I assum she does the barly help me I didn't know that she's barly help me I didn't know that she's back door you hey Adam I just want to back door you hey Adam I just want to double check is this the right way to do double check is this the right way to do this so watch do seeking this so watch do seeking here that would be hella funny if that here that would be hella funny if that true she sends me little clips of things true she sends me little clips of things huh what's this subtle HS no I I did the huh what's this subtle HS no I I did the ribe eyes from butcher box I hadn't done ribe eyes from butcher box I hadn't done those in a while oh yeah cuz we did TR those in a while oh yeah cuz we did TR tips for so long the RB are good they're tips for so long the RB are good they're actually really really good grass-fed actually really really good grass-fed but they're they taste amazing so I but they're they taste amazing so I grilled up a few of those and the kids grilled up a few of those and the kids Lov them it's good stuff man we grilled Lov them it's good stuff man we grilled a few of the New York steaks and then a few of the New York steaks and then the um sausages and so I did that on the the um sausages and so I did that on the web so my kids like their the sausages web so my kids like their the sausages from butcher box better than any I don't from butcher box better than any I don't know if I've had their sausages yet yeah know if I've had their sausages yet yeah I love I mean I'm love the the the I love I mean I'm love the the the what's I don't even know what you know what's I don't even know what you know what I haven't done yet you told me what I haven't done yet you told me about the potatoes I know Doug you've about the potatoes I know Doug you've done right since I've told you yeah I've done right since I've told you yeah I've done the potato so I have them in the

done the potato so I have them in the freezer right now what do you do with freezer right now what do you do with them bro literally no literally just them bro literally no literally just crack an egg or two and throw it in a crack an egg or two and throw it in a iron skillet all of it together that's iron skillet all of it together that's it while it's Frozen no well I mean it while it's Frozen no well I mean defrost it yeah defrost it yeah throw it defrost it yeah defrost it yeah throw it in there that's how much I know you take in there that's how much I know you take it out of the box you throw the box in it out of the box you throw the box in there yeah let it let it defrost and there yeah let it let it defrost and then and then cook cook it like that then and then cook cook it like that literally just scramble some eggs in it literally just scramble some eggs in it and then either wrap it A burrito or eat and then either wrap it A burrito or eat it straight oh that's great yeah it is it straight oh that's great yeah it is so good dude I got to tell you funny so good dude I got to tell you funny story I wrote this down to tell you guys story I wrote this down to tell you guys cuz it's just you know when you have cuz it's just you know when you have when you have little kid you know it's a when you have little kid you know it's a pain in the ass to get out of the house pain in the ass to get out of the house although I don't know is it hard for you although I don't know is it hard for you guys to get out with Max probably not guys to get out with Max probably not he's pretty easy he I'm organized rock he's pretty easy he I'm organized rock and roll so my kids are hard it doesn't and roll so my kids are hard it doesn't matter where I'm going to go we're going matter where I'm going to go we're going to go to the park down the street we're to go to the park down the street we're going to go for a walk it's going to going to go for a walk it's going to take at least 40 minutes to make sure to take at least 40 minutes to make sure to round them up make sure everything's round them up make sure everything's fine and whatever so I'm you know we're fine and whatever so I'm you know we're doing this I'm getting ready I'm holding doing this I'm getting ready I'm holding my daughter she's sitting on my lap I my daughter she's sitting on my lap I got the water's ready to go we're almost got the water's ready to go we're almost ready to go I stand up I'm like oh ready to go I stand up I'm like oh why am I wet poop oh that's nice

why am I wet poop oh that's nice daughter pooped all yeah all over me daughter pooped all yeah all over me dude dude over oh poop juice and she looks at me over oh poop juice and she looks at me she know yeah that's what it was and she she know yeah that's what it was and she looks at me too and she goes poo poo I looks at me too and she goes poo poo I said yeah said yeah honey got to change you and me it's just honey got to change you and me it's just that's how I met my niece when I went to that's how I met my niece when I went to the hospital to see my brother and like the hospital to see my brother and like uh first time just interacting and uh first time just interacting and holding her and everything was great and holding her and everything was great and then she just shits on just blow outow then she just shits on just blow outow and it was all went all down my shirt and it was all went all down my shirt did you just throw your shirt away did you just throw your shirt away always remember this before you were a always remember this before you were a dad or already a dad I was already a dad dad or already a dad I was already a dad okay so you like there's no you like okay so you like there's no you like didn't even I just knew yeah I was like didn't even I just knew yeah I was like I slapped it off like oh wow I was I slapped it off like oh wow I was telling the story to my sister tell this telling the story to my sister tell this at her wedding you know so my sister's a at her wedding you know so my sister's a she's she's got three kids and she also she's she's got three kids and she also watches kids she's like super mom right watches kids she's like super mom right so I had dinner with her the other night so I had dinner with her the other night and I was telling her about this story and I was telling her about this story and uh she's like does that gross you and uh she's like does that gross you out and I'm like you know there's only out and I'm like you know there's only one thing that grosses me out with one thing that grosses me out with little kids poop doesn't bother me I little kids poop doesn't bother me I mean it's not like I like it's just not

mean it's not like I like it's just not it's not doesn't freak it's the [ __ ] it's not doesn't freak it's the [ __ ] nose Freda bro is it that yes yes me too nose Freda bro is it that yes yes me too that is the only thing too boers burgers that is the only thing too boers burgers are gross but why you going to suck the are gross but why you going to suck the boogers up with your mouth only thing boogers up with your mouth only thing that gets me too what are you doing have that gets me too what are you doing have you seen this what the nose Freda yeah you seen this what the nose Freda yeah Doug pull it up I don't want to please Doug pull it up I don't want to please pull it up Doug also you know what a pull it up Doug also you know what a nose Freda is scr that down clear tube nose Freda is scr that down clear tube like this it has a filter in it so like this it has a filter in it so nothing gets in your mouth but it's nothing gets in your mouth but it's still disgusting no I've seen yeah Mom still disgusting no I've seen yeah Mom okay so so normally you have a bulb you okay so so normally you have a bulb you know the old school blue bulb bulb know the old school blue bulb bulb that's what yeah that's a nose fre that's what yeah that's a nose fre that's it right there you put it up your that's it right there you put it up your no your baby's nose and then you use no your baby's nose and then you use your mouth to create the suction yeah no your mouth to create the suction yeah no you're siphoning for gas extremely you're siphoning for gas extremely effective but disgusting and I I will effective but disgusting and I I will never use it I I won't use it either I never use it I I won't use it either I won't use it either Katrina's always won't use it either Katrina's always like yeah I remember when Max was little like yeah I remember when Max was little and we used to have to do it doesn't go and we used to have to do it doesn't go in your mouth I don't care the in your mouth I don't care the opportunity is there oop I suck tooo hard yeah and I know people are going to

yeah and I know people are going to freak out and go like it's impossible it freak out and go like it's impossible it doesn't even matter that it's impossible doesn't even matter that it's impossible it's the simple fact that you are it's the simple fact that you are sucking you're sucking while boogers are sucking you're sucking while boogers are coming yeah it's just it doesn't matter coming yeah it's just it doesn't matter it's wrong look at it look at the it's wrong look at it look at the picture of the mom doing that that's picture of the mom doing that that's Jessica get it'll clear their never will Jessica get it'll clear their never will I do that you can poop all over day I do that you can poop all over day extremely effective but they are they on extremely effective but they are they on the same way bro of all like I I had the same way bro of all like I I had that my goddaughter was on my lap I told that my goddaughter was on my lap I told you guys this like when we were up in you guys this like when we were up in trucky not that just a couple weeks ago trucky not that just a couple weeks ago or whatever and you know she's I can or whatever and you know she's I can feel her pissing on me and I don't feel her pissing on me and I don't even still play with her let her finish even still play with her let her finish you know what I'm saying and then I'll you know what I'm saying and then I'll move her yeah then I'll move her off my move her yeah then I'll move her off my thigh and my pants are so like I don't thigh and my pants are so like I don't get none of that stuff bothers me but get none of that stuff bothers me but that is that's the one thing I don't get that is that's the one thing I don't get it dude yeah my sister's like oh yeah I it dude yeah my sister's like oh yeah I use it all the time and I'm like and use it all the time and I'm like and then she's like oh one time the filter then she's like oh one time the filter came off all right that's enough well came off all right that's enough well this isn't quite as gross but it's this isn't quite as gross but it's alarming uh apparently there's this alarming uh apparently there's this company out there like so you know how company out there like so you know how AI is like just taken over and um the AI is like just taken over and um the biggest I guess deterrent right now is

biggest I guess deterrent right now is it it requires so much energy to to it it requires so much energy to to produce and so like there's this company produce and so like there's this company trying to be like all you know uh trying to be like all you know uh futuristic and we're we're going to futuristic and we're we're going to tackle this problem so you know what tackle this problem so you know what they're doing they're growing little or they're doing they're growing little or organic organic brains and the the brains are connecting brains and the the brains are connecting to these um uh processing systems to these um uh processing systems organic like actual like organic brains organic like actual like organic brains neural networks neural networks to neural networks neural networks to basically create I feel like the The basically create I feel like the The Matrix is that it's called final spark Matrix is that it's called final spark you look it up Doug final spark what is you look it up Doug final spark what is considered a Centurian what's a what's a considered a Centurian what's a what's a what's it like where it's like a cyborg what's it like where it's like a cyborg you mean yeah yeah is it called cyborg I you mean yeah yeah is it called cyborg I thought it was Cyborg is the one that's thought it was Cyborg is the one that's like your um your half machine half like your um your half machine half human Cent I thought no Centurion wasn't human Cent I thought no Centurion wasn't a thing look up Centurion Doug I'm doing a thing look up Centurion Doug I'm doing this final spark thing got to be faster this final spark thing got to be faster got be F hold on I'm going I'll Google got be F hold on I'm going I'll Google that but apparently they're trying to that but apparently they're trying to say because of the uh the human brain or say because of the uh the human brain or like U you know organic tissue and and

like U you know organic tissue and and it requires a whole lot less energy so it requires a whole lot less energy so they think that they've solved this they think that they've solved this there's a centurion which is a Roman uh there's a centurion which is a Roman uh was it in the Roman army no it's not was it in the Roman army no it's not that uh I don't see anything else about that uh I don't see anything else about Centurion bio yeah they called the bio Centurion bio yeah they called the bio computer that's so they're using real computer that's so they're using real brain like little brain like lab grown brain like little brain like lab grown brain tissue that's that seems dangerous brain tissue that's that seems dangerous yeah right like what uh what kind of yeah right like what uh what kind of function function and it's always so crazy when stuff like and it's always so crazy when stuff like this like when sci-fi Sci-Fi movies seem this like when sci-fi Sci-Fi movies seem to be unfolding no morals now we just to be unfolding no morals now we just metal dude and we just create things metal dude and we just create things because we can create things well you because we can create things well you have to have I mean that's science is a have to have I mean that's science is a method it's not a morality so I like the method it's not a morality so I like the name final spark that's what I'm oh my name final spark that's what I'm oh my God they don't joke around and the thing God they don't joke around and the thing it's I don't know how far they've really it's I don't know how far they've really got you know how these like uh got you know how these like uh technology companies they like show some technology companies they like show some graphic cool thing of like but you know

graphic cool thing of like but you know are they really creating this or they are they really creating this or they just putting that out there to try and just putting that out there to try and you know claim they're on the Forefront you know claim they're on the Forefront of science well this is what we know too of science well this is what we know too we don't know what's what's look at that we don't know what's what's look at that instant access to human instant access to human neurons okay that's crazy dude you neurons okay that's crazy dude you imagine we turn it on we're like all imagine we turn it on we're like all right everybody check it out we turn it right everybody check it out we turn it on it's like help me please kill me you on it's like help me please kill me you know turn it off God gross give me a know turn it off God gross give me a body my uh uh we we bought um Jessica body my uh uh we we bought um Jessica bought my my three-year-old so my bought my my three-year-old so my three-year-old just he's he's a good three-year-old just he's he's a good time he's he's on fire half the time but time he's he's on fire half the time but he's he's a good time she bought him a f he's he's a good time she bought him a f a little lawnmower that blows bubbles oh a little lawnmower that blows bubbles oh yeah and so I remember those those are yeah and so I remember those those are cool yeah so it comes in the mail is cool yeah so it comes in the mail is that the ones where you putting click that the ones where you putting click click click click and it and it comes up click click click and it and it comes up the top like that well this push button the top like that well this push button and it shoots bubbles out okay yeah but and it shoots bubbles out okay yeah but it's a little plastic LM more right so it's a little plastic LM more right so we open up the box and he's like so my we open up the box and he's like so my son when the gardener comes he he likes son when the gardener comes he he likes to sit at the door and watch the to sit at the door and watch the gardener thinks it's so cool right so we gardener thinks it's so cool right so we open it up and he sees it and he goes oh

open it up and he sees it and he goes oh my God and he gets so animated when he's my God and he gets so animated when he's excited it's almost like he's acting so excited it's almost like he's acting so funny he goes like this with his hands funny he goes like this with his hands and he goes I'm so excited this is so and he goes I'm so excited this is so amazing and then we open it up and he's amazing and then we open it up and he's like rolling around the house he's so like rolling around the house he's so pumped and I'm like oh my God they're pumped and I'm like oh my God they're going to love playing with this tomorrow going to love playing with this tomorrow because it's right before bed so he's because it's right before bed so he's all hyped right wakes up the next day all hyped right wakes up the next day Jessica takes him outside he starts Jessica takes him outside he starts pushing on the grass and he's like it's pushing on the grass and he's like it's not working she's like what do you mean not working she's like what do you mean the bubbles coming out she's like he's the bubbles coming out she's like he's like the grass isn't it is getting like the grass isn't it is getting shorter she wanted a real thing she's shorter she wanted a real thing she's like honey lawn mow this is not a real like honey lawn mow this is not a real lawnmower oh lost his [ __ ] bro that's lawnmower oh lost his [ __ ] bro that's that's so upset he wants a real lawn that's so upset he wants a real lawn more I remember I remember when I was a more I remember I remember when I was a kid I can't remember how old I was I was kid I can't remember how old I was I was older than aelas for sure but I wasn't I older than aelas for sure but I wasn't I wasn't that old I was old enough though wasn't that old I was old enough though to recall this story I my grandmother to recall this story I my grandmother one year I wanted a remote control car one year I wanted a remote control car so bad so bad so bad so bad and I was at an age already where I'd and I was at an age already where I'd already been paying attention to all the

already been paying attention to all the coolest ones that were out there and my coolest ones that were out there and my grandma like always came through like grandma like always came through like when I was a kid I know we've talked when I was a kid I know we've talked about stories of me not having much my about stories of me not having much my grandma always spoiled me I always rely grandma always spoiled me I always rely on Grandma to like get me the cool gift on Grandma to like get me the cool gift or get clothes for me things like that or get clothes for me things like that and so Christmas came around and I and so Christmas came around and I remember opening it and it was a remote remember opening it and it was a remote control car with the wire still attach control car with the wire still attach the car and I I remember and Looking the car and I I remember and Looking Back Now like what a little [ __ ] I was I Back Now like what a little [ __ ] I was I remember like your expectation was yes I remember like your expectation was yes I was devastated I was upset I was a was devastated I was upset I was a little BR I mean it was awful I know I little BR I mean it was awful I know I was an awful kid from that but I was an awful kid from that but I remember because it was so built up I remember because it was so built up I couldn't wait and I remember opening it couldn't wait and I remember opening it being so excited chart and then the wire being so excited chart and then the wire was still attached was still attached to like what happen so this is the worst to like what happen so this is the worst thing ever like or the one that goes it thing ever like or the one that goes it it goes in one direction and in a turn it goes in one direction and in a turn you have to go backwards it turns itself you have to go backwards it turns itself the shitty ones that would do that yeah the shitty ones that would do that yeah well anyways so so he was super upset so well anyways so so he was super upset so I don't know two days later freaking a I don't know two days later freaking a real leaf blower comes in the mail a

real leaf blower comes in the mail a real leaf blower your wife bought him a real leaf blower your wife bought him a real yes dude a real one a real one like real yes dude a real one a real one like now like pretend like it comes in now now like pretend like it comes in now she she she [ __ ] up again I open up she she she [ __ ] up again I open up the box I'm like honey where's the um the box I'm like honey where's the um battery no battery she's like what do battery no battery she's like what do you mean I'm like it doesn't come with you mean I'm like it doesn't come with the battery or charger we got to buy it the battery or charger we got to buy it separately so my son's so mad I want it separately so my son's so mad I want it to work I'm like I'm sorry buddy so to work I'm like I'm sorry buddy so instead you know what we did here's Dad instead you know what we did here's Dad Dad to the rescue so I'm like what am I Dad to the rescue so I'm like what am I do with this blower that doesn't even do with this blower that doesn't even work right so you know I don't know if work right so you know I don't know if it's a good dad moment or a bad dad it's a good dad moment or a bad dad moment but I showed him the CLI we know moment but I showed him the CLI we know in 10 years no I show I showed him a in 10 years no I show I showed him a clip from Predator where where where the clip from Predator where where where the dude is shooting the minigun oh my God dude is shooting the minigun oh my God I'm like you know what we can do with I'm like you know what we can do with this we can pretend like it's a minigun this we can pretend like it's a minigun we're killing aliens yeah so I show him we're killing aliens yeah so I show him this violent ass this violent ass scene so running he's running around the scene so running he's running around the house like blasting everybody with this house like blasting everybody with this with his his leaf blower oh my God have with his his leaf blower oh my God have some fun tonight oh God but we got the some fun tonight oh God but we got the batteries will be here soon and then I I batteries will be here soon and then I I can't wait I'm going to videotape I'll can't wait I'm going to videotape I'll show you guys see they do like it's all

show you guys see they do like it's all Heavy you know loud things you know make Heavy you know loud things you know make noise and yeah but he wants the real one noise and yeah but he wants the real one dude that's so great I don't blame him dude that's so great I don't blame him you know dude when I was a kid I feel you know dude when I was a kid I feel like telling him man when I was a kid I like telling him man when I was a kid I did not want to mow the lawn my dad made did not want to mow the lawn my dad made me all the time that's what I had to do me all the time that's what I had to do all the time he's when's his fourth all the time he's when's his fourth birthday when is it not November birthday when is it not November November that's right I should be able November that's right I should be able to remember in November yeah so crazy I to remember in November yeah so crazy I know is he still uh hitting balls and know is he still uh hitting balls and he's still like yeah dude he's so Boy he's still like yeah dude he's so Boy energy bro he's so I sent you guys his energy bro he's so I sent you guys his text right so he figured out yeah he so text right so he figured out yeah he so his mom lets him text with her phone his mom lets him text with her phone while she's there and what he'll do is while she's there and what he'll do is typically send emojis or pictures and typically send emojis or pictures and and and send them to me so I'll get like and and send them to me so I'll get like a 100 texts in a row from my son cuz a 100 texts in a row from my son cuz he's like oh I'm talking to to to Dad he's like oh I'm talking to to to Dad well she taught him how to use voice well she taught him how to use voice text so I get these text and it says text so I get these text and it says stuff like hi Papa how's your day I hope stuff like hi Papa how's your day I hope it's good today wasn't good I want to

it's good today wasn't good I want to punch dollia in the face I want to punch punch dollia in the face I want to punch mom in the face I want to break things mom in the face I want to break things I'm like what is going on I I'm like what is going on I screenshotted S to you guys what did he screenshotted S to you guys what did he say this say this kid very exessive you he is on fire you kid very exessive you he is on fire you don't want this on record it's so funny don't want this on record it's so funny because it's like he reminds me so much because it's like he reminds me so much of my godson uh he's a hunter is is like of my godson uh he's a hunter is is like orious they're they're like would be orious they're they're like would be twps in a pod their energy is the same twps in a pod their energy is the same and and it's so the opposite spectrum of and and it's so the opposite spectrum of of Max it's a good balance for me right of Max it's a good balance for me right so I see all the things in his son that so I see all the things in his son that I'm like man I wish you know his son's I'm like man I wish you know his son's like I'm going to score six goals and like I'm going to score six goals and goes out and scores seven in a game you goes out and scores seven in a game you know what I'm saying like and he's just know what I'm saying like and he's just he's not afraid of all the rides let's he's not afraid of all the rides let's do the next ride let's go let's go and do the next ride let's go let's go and they're only a year apart I know my they're only a year apart I know my son's a little bit younger so I'm like a son's a little bit younger so I'm like a little patient but I mean I remember little patient but I mean I remember Hunter doing stuff like that way back Hunter doing stuff like that way back and and Justin's just like bro he's like and and Justin's just like bro he's like I would trade you in a minute for that I would trade you in a minute for that energy you got there and I and I said energy you got there and I and I said you know I it's good for me to have the

you know I it's good for me to have the the polar opposite Extreme as an example the polar opposite Extreme as an example because it helps me get through those because it helps me get through those dad moments that I've struggled with dad moments that I've struggled with with the like wanting him to be more with the like wanting him to be more aggressive it's like yeah but then you aggressive it's like yeah but then you know what's really cool is like he sits know what's really cool is like he sits in a car with me for six hours you know in a car with me for six hours you know what I'm saying and just we hang out and what I'm saying and just we hang out and he sleeps and it's like that's not he sleeps and it's like that's not normal I forget that that's not a normal normal I forget that that's not a normal thing for a four or fiveyear old kid thing for a four or fiveyear old kid totally to be able to just do that and totally to be able to just do that and be content you know like so I got to be content you know like so I got to remember that stuff and it helps have of remember that stuff and it helps have of uh you know you tell your stories and uh you know you tell your stories and then having him as a best friend and a then having him as a best friend and a godson to see the the other side cuz godson to see the the other side cuz it's hard as a dad sometimes you see the it's hard as a dad sometimes you see the opposite you're like God I wish you was opposite you're like God I wish you was like that but yeah it was cool it like that but yeah it was cool it reminded me um since ever's been off reminded me um since ever's been off gymnastics Ethan's still doing it um gymnastics Ethan's still doing it um like his season ended this is the first like his season ended this is the first time he's actually like deliberately time he's actually like deliberately asked me to go work out with him and asked me to go work out with him and like a full workout that's great and it like a full workout that's great and it was like it was so great it was it it was like it was so great it was it it was like it funny too because like he's

was like it funny too because like he's you know he's got a pretty good you know he's got a pretty good established like strength base you know established like strength base you know from his Athletics but it's like to from his Athletics but it's like to actually lift weights that was a whole actually lift weights that was a whole new experience uh but yeah we had a good new experience uh but yeah we had a good time doing that's that's good my my when time doing that's that's good my my when my nephew was here uh when Jessica's my nephew was here uh when Jessica's nephew was here he he he inquired about nephew was here he he he inquired about strength training and I took him through strength training and I took him through some workouts but you never know if some workouts but you never know if it'll stick he's only 14 right M you it'll stick he's only 14 right M you never know if it'll stick I bought never know if it'll stick I bought protein shakes for him uh and I started protein shakes for him uh and I started noticing that he would go in the fridge noticing that he would go in the fridge and grab them and drink them I'm not and grab them and drink them I'm not saying anything you know although every saying anything you know although every once in a while I probably lay it on a once in a while I probably lay it on a little bit I'm like it's cool right and little bit I'm like it's cool right and justess is always like nudging me like justess is always like nudging me like don't push it too hard because I have a don't push it too hard because I have a tendency to do that so I kind of left it tendency to do that so I kind of left it or whatever anyway I get a picture from or whatever anyway I get a picture from his dad he's working on his own oh his dad he's working on his own oh that's cool yeah dude they got him a that's cool yeah dude they got him a dumbbell set and he's like supposedly dumbbell set and he's like supposedly consistent in doing it it's like so cool consistent in doing it it's like so cool you know such an impactful thing for a you know such an impactful thing for a kid to pick up it's such a growth minded kid to pick up it's such a growth minded Endeavor oh yeah it's now initially as a Endeavor oh yeah it's now initially as a kid might be based off like it is for kid might be based off like it is for adults like I just want to look better I adults like I just want to look better I just want to get jacked or whatever but

just want to get jacked or whatever but it's it requires consistency requires it's it requires consistency requires discipline it they have to deal with uh discipline it they have to deal with uh failure they have to deal with failure they have to deal with disappointment they have to deal with disappointment they have to deal with they learn work hard work turns into they learn work hard work turns into this if I don't work hard then I don't this if I don't work hard then I don't get this and then I have and you have to get this and then I have and you have to figure out problems if you stay figure out problems if you stay consistent with it long enough you consistent with it long enough you develop a good relationship of pain and develop a good relationship of pain and the whole deal like what a great thing the whole deal like what a great thing or working out I'll totally be excited or working out I'll totally be excited for my son to get into either one like for my son to get into either one like either one I'm okay with any sport any either one I'm okay with any sport any any form of training or or or like any form of training or or or like working towards working out like I those working towards working out like I those two things because there's so many two things because there's so many lessons as a dad to be able to teach lessons as a dad to be able to teach your son or daughter through that the your son or daughter through that the sports or the working out do it for you sports or the working out do it for you yeah there's so many lessons in there yeah there's so many lessons in there and opportunities and I think that's and opportunities and I think that's what you're looking for as as a DAT is what you're looking for as as a DAT is like where have all these things you like where have all these things you want to teach your son but you also know want to teach your son but you also know that I can't just lay it on him like I'm that I can't just lay it on him like I'm lecturing you can't just sit him down lecturing you can't just sit him down yeah cuz then it's never going to see yeah cuz then it's never going to see let tell I need to find yeah I need to let tell I need to find yeah I need to find these opportunities within his life

find these opportunities within his life when they present themselves that I can when they present themselves that I can then teach him and that's what's going then teach him and that's what's going to stick and so those those vehicles I to stick and so those those vehicles I think are just great opportunities for think are just great opportunities for that Justin now did you uh did you uh that Justin now did you uh did you uh how did you do it how did you handle it how did you do it how did you handle it did you overdo it did you get excited I did you overdo it did you get excited I didn't want to yeah exactly I had to I didn't want to yeah exactly I had to I had to kind of calm myself down so I had to kind of calm myself down so I just I picked three exercises and and just I picked three exercises and and then we did like three rounds of each uh then we did like three rounds of each uh and we just were real methodical about and we just were real methodical about the form and everything else and I just the form and everything else and I just I had him do like a kettlebell deadlift I had him do like a kettlebell deadlift I had him uh let's see we did um we did I had him uh let's see we did um we did a a row so he learned like you know to a a row so he learned like you know to to hold himself and stabilize and to hold himself and stabilize and everything while you know uh doing a everything while you know uh doing a dumbbell row um and then we did a what dumbbell row um and then we did a what was the other one I think it was I think was the other one I think it was I think it was like a bench press or was it was like a bench press or was overhead press I'm sorry yeah oh perfect overhead press I'm sorry yeah oh perfect and is he during the process is he and is he during the process is he asking you a bunch of questions is he

asking you a bunch of questions is he just going through it like what was his just going through it like what was his like yeah I mean yeah he was he was like like yeah I mean yeah he was he was like very much like waiting for the cues very much like waiting for the cues which I was like wow this is pretty like which I was like wow this is pretty like advanc for for a kid because you know advanc for for a kid because you know for the most part I'm trying to like for the most part I'm trying to like slow them down and not be all like out slow them down and not be all like out they get bored easily too it's hard it's they get bored easily too it's hard it's hard yeah so he was even just like hard yeah so he was even just like intuitively was like okay well now what intuitively was like okay well now what you know what am I focusing on here like you know what am I focusing on here like and I'm trying to like I I actually was and I'm trying to like I I actually was able to kind of like prod him a bit like able to kind of like prod him a bit like tighten your abs like you know pull your tighten your abs like you know pull your shoulders back and you know all that shoulders back and you know all that stuff and kind of walk my way around and stuff and kind of walk my way around and so it was great cuz he's I think he's so it was great cuz he's I think he's realizing that he's a little bit realizing that he's a little bit stronger than his peers and like that's stronger than his peers and like that's he doesn't care about anything else he doesn't care about anything else other than being stronger than them I'm other than being stronger than them I'm like dude I can work with that you know like dude I can work with that you know we'll we'll work on that together and so we'll we'll work on that together and so yeah it was actually really ertic yeah it was actually really ertic how was uh how was the hip hinging how was uh how was the hip hinging that's always the hardest I think thing

that's always the hardest I think thing to teach a kid is to how to it's hard to to teach a kid is to how to it's hard to teach anybody I know it is it's hard to teach anybody I know it is it's hard to teach anybody and especially kids yeah teach anybody and especially kids yeah yeah so it was I mean again like it was yeah so it was I mean again like it was deliberate so he'd set the weight back deliberate so he'd set the weight back down you know read set and then adjusted down you know read set and then adjusted his body like tighten certain places his body like tighten certain places like engaged his lats like and he would like engaged his lats like and he would deliberately did like each one of the deliberately did like each one of the cues and then came up so yeah I was cues and then came up so yeah I was pretty happy I was at the I was at the pretty happy I was at the I was at the gym the other morning working out gym the other morning working out if I ever see like a really um old if I ever see like a really um old person working out or a really young person working out or a really young person or I see somebody that looks like person or I see somebody that looks like they're just getting started I always they're just getting started I always have the urge this is the old gym have the urge this is the old gym manager in me yeah yeah I always have manager in me yeah yeah I always have the urge to go up to them and give them the urge to go up to them and give them a fist bump or let them know they're a fist bump or let them know they're doing a good job or or encourage him so doing a good job or or encourage him so I see this kid and he's 12 he look I I see this kid and he's 12 he look I know he's 12 cuz I asked him afterwards know he's 12 cuz I asked him afterwards but he was young and he's working out but he was young and he's working out what seems to be his mom and he was what seems to be his mom and he was working hard man like his mom she looked working hard man like his mom she looked like she knew what she was doing and she like she knew what she was doing and she put him on you know the PE deck and he's put him on you know the PE deck and he's like he's really going for it and then

like he's really going for it and then he's doing rows and as I'm working out he's doing rows and as I'm working out every once a while I PE over there and I every once a while I PE over there and I see this kid you know he's like the see this kid you know he's like the youngest guy in the gym working out so I youngest guy in the gym working out so I couldn't help myself and I go up to him couldn't help myself and I go up to him and uh I give him a fist bump I take out and uh I give him a fist bump I take out I pull my headphone down uh to the side I pull my headphone down uh to the side a little bit I gave him fist bump said a little bit I gave him fist bump said you're doing a great job bro the the the you're doing a great job bro the the the the it lit him up like the smile on his the it lit him up like the smile on his face cuz he sees this old Jack guy to face cuz he sees this old Jack guy to him right give him a fist bump and he him right give him a fist bump and he looks at me like and I'm like h you looks at me like and I'm like h you buddy and he goes I'm 12 and I said you buddy and he goes I'm 12 and I said you know I started working out when I was 14 know I started working out when I was 14 you started working out before me and you started working out before me and then he really lit up like really like then he really lit up like really like absolutely then his mom walks over and absolutely then his mom walks over and I'm like great job you know bringing him I'm like great job you know bringing him over she's like oh he's totally into it over she's like oh he's totally into it or whatever and I'm like you know you or whatever and I'm like you know you should have him listen to my podcast should have him listen to my podcast they were not familiar with our podcast they were not familiar with our podcast so I introduced them but so cool it's so I introduced them but so cool it's great to see that it's such a great great to see that it's such a great thing it's one of my favorite things to thing it's one of my favorite things to do is just to say you're kicking ass you do is just to say you're kicking ass you know you're doing a good job no know you're doing a good job no especially at that age to have enough especially at that age to have enough did you do you know if he was playing a did you do you know if he was playing a sport or something like that we we sport or something like that we we literally talk for oh just a yeah not literally talk for oh just a yeah not even 60 seconds I'd say that's probably

even 60 seconds I'd say that's probably wouldn't you guys say that that's the wouldn't you guys say that that's the most if I see a kid that's that young most if I see a kid that's that young training he's training because he he's training he's training because he he's into a sport it's rare that you see like into a sport it's rare that you see like a 12 or 13 very rare get into it early I a 12 or 13 very rare get into it early I always think back to one of my first always think back to one of my first clients uh so I mean I started training clients uh so I mean I started training at 18 and I had this kid this parents at 18 and I had this kid this parents hired me to train their I forgot I think hired me to train their I forgot I think it was 14 years old and I asked him I'll it was 14 years old and I asked him I'll never forget we're sitting down talking never forget we're sitting down talking about personal actually I sold him about personal actually I sold him membership first the whole family and membership first the whole family and then the the the mom's like well you then the the the mom's like well you know what about personal training for know what about personal training for our son and he was this chubby kid and our son and he was this chubby kid and he was shy he really didn't say a word he was shy he really didn't say a word and we started talking and uh I finally and we started talking and uh I finally I asked the kid because they were like H I asked the kid because they were like H I don't think we'll do training we'll I don't think we'll do training we'll wait on it or whatever and then I I wait on it or whatever and then I I looked at the kid and I said do you want looked at the kid and I said do you want to do do you want to work with a trainer to do do you want to work with a trainer and he's kind of quiet and his mom's and he's kind of quiet and his mom's like goe answer him and he goes yeah and like goe answer him and he goes yeah and I said why and I'll never forget the kid I said why and I'll never forget the kid looked at me and he says um I don't want looked at me and he says um I don't want to take my shirt off at the pool and uh

to take my shirt off at the pool and uh man it hit me when he said that and I man it hit me when he said that and I said all right all right I get it dude said all right all right I get it dude and I said you know and I started and I and I said you know and I started and I told him whatever and they hired me told him whatever and they hired me anyway this kid only worked out with me anyway this kid only worked out with me for 6 months but the transformation he for 6 months but the transformation he made in his uh character was so profound made in his uh character was so profound this kid walked in the gym chest High this kid walked in the gym chest High excited everybody of course high-fiving excited everybody of course high-fiving him because the roof he ended up him because the roof he ended up becoming a trainer that's awesome he becoming a trainer that's awesome he ended up I I ran into him years later ended up I I ran into him years later and he came up to me he's like dude I and he came up to me he's like dude I didn't recognize him and he's like I'm a didn't recognize him and he's like I'm a trainer I've been doing you know you trainer I've been doing you know you changed my life for whatever I only changed my life for whatever I only trained the kid for six months but I'll trained the kid for six months but I'll never forget that did you have him come never forget that did you have him come watch a live show a long time ago no watch a live show a long time ago no that was another kid yeah that was that was another kid yeah that was another kid I remember you had another another kid I remember you had another kid yeah kids you know the reason why kid yeah kids you know the reason why they weren't my favorite people to train they weren't my favorite people to train or category is cuz they're hard oh or category is cuz they're hard oh they're so hard you know elderly are they're so hard you know elderly are very rewarding as well kids are it's very rewarding as well kids are it's rare that they're into it usually it rare that they're into it usually it becomes entertainment you got to keep I becomes entertainment you got to keep I couldn't I had such a hard time with it couldn't I had such a hard time with it I didn't I admittedly I I did not like I didn't I admittedly I I did not like training kids and like would avoid it training kids and like would avoid it like the plague you have to turn it into

like the plague you have to turn it into fun time because it it felt it did and fun time because it it felt it did and it felt like I was more of a glorified it felt like I was more of a glorified babysitter than I felt like a trainer babysitter than I felt like a trainer and I just like training so much at that and I just like training so much at that you know I wanted I wanted to be and so you know I wanted I wanted to be and so you like having clients that you can you like having clients that you can tell them what to do and which is also tell them what to do and which is also why I loved you know CEOs High why I loved you know CEOs High performers it wasn't just because performers it wasn't just because financially they could afford the financially they could afford the training it's that I love people that training it's that I love people that they would do it yes I love people that they would do it yes I love people that can be like this this and this and then can be like this this and this and then they go they apply it and then they can they go they apply it and then they can see it and then we if they don't see the see it and then we if they don't see the results then we can adjust very easily results then we can adjust very easily see the kids were hard but when it got see the kids were hard but when it got great was when they started asking great was when they started asking questions about when they caught fire questions about when they caught fire and also not just about Fitness but they and also not just about Fitness but they would ask questions about other stuff would ask questions about other stuff like I had this one kid and this I'll like I had this one kid and this I'll never forget because I almost the mom never forget because I almost the mom almost fired me he was getting bullied almost fired me he was getting bullied and he would tell me about getting and he would tell me about getting bullied and I'd bite my lip like oh this bullied and I'd bite my lip like oh this really pisses me off you know and what's really pisses me off you know and what's your mom telling you to do she tells me your mom telling you to do she tells me to walk away and I'm biting my lip and to walk away and I'm biting my lip and I'm biting my lip and I'm like like I I'm biting my lip and I'm like like I remember I couldn't hold it in he had remember I couldn't hold it in he had come in where and I'm like how's today

come in where and I'm like how's today he's like it sucked they were following he's like it sucked they were following me home from school they ripped my me home from school they ripped my backpack off tell me all [ __ ] right and backpack off tell me all [ __ ] right and I'm like you know and I'm like all right I'm like you know and I'm like all right how do I communicate this without how do I communicate this without getting in trouble so I said you know I getting in trouble so I said you know I got bullied I made up a story CU I'm got bullied I made up a story CU I'm like how do I tell him I got bullied one like how do I tell him I got bullied one time he's like you did I'm like yeah time he's like you did I'm like yeah he's like what'd you do I said well I he's like what'd you do I said well I couldn't take it anymore and I turned couldn't take it anymore and I turned around and I punched the kid right in around and I punched the kid right in the nose his eyes watered and then they the nose his eyes watered and then they left me alone well the kid did that he left me alone well the kid did that he came to me the next week bro and he got came to me the next week bro and he got big trouble cuz he punched the kid and big trouble cuz he punched the kid and I'm like oh did you tell your mom about I'm like oh did you tell your mom about my story cuz I hope he did it you know my story cuz I hope he did it you know also they left him alone work they left also they left him alone work they left him alone yeah yeah that that was a him alone yeah yeah that that was a tough one so let's uh let's do a shout tough one so let's uh let's do a shout out so you got a book Justin is it kind out so you got a book Justin is it kind of like along the lines of some of the of like along the lines of some of the weird [ __ ] it's a romantic book that weird [ __ ] it's a romantic book that Courtney and I are both reading actually Courtney and I are both reading actually well yeah listening to cuz it's audio well yeah listening to cuz it's audio book but are you guys both listening to book but are you guys both listening to audiobook we are and you know the irony audiobook we are and you know the irony of that it's like yeah we let's do this of that it's like yeah we let's do this so we have something to talk about and

so we have something to talk about and connect with and kind of like you know connect with and kind of like you know along as one of your uh suggestions yeah along as one of your uh suggestions yeah yeah and of course we end up with both yeah and of course we end up with both murder and murder and conspiracy our two loves so chaos it conspiracy our two loves so chaos it goes over like the whole Manson uh trial goes over like the whole Manson uh trial but then gets uh a little bit further but then gets uh a little bit further detail of like how to uh this kind of detail of like how to uh this kind of ties into MK Ultra and a lot of other uh ties into MK Ultra and a lot of other uh links dude how did you not bring this up links dude how did you not bring this up earlier I love would love to hear your earlier I love would love to hear your your experience that did you just start your experience that did you just start this we just start I'll get into it as I this we just start I'll get into it as I get further down the road but I I'm get further down the road but I I'm through the Manson trials uh and like through the Manson trials uh and like all that information and now we're all that information and now we're getting into the good stuff so well I'm getting into the good stuff so well I'm I'm even more excited to hear your I'm even more excited to hear your experience with Courtney and if you experience with Courtney and if you notice that stuff I always I it's one of notice that stuff I always I it's one of my favorite tips to couples I just think my favorite tips to couples I just think that at least oh it's great yeah so far that at least oh it's great yeah so far it's sparking good dialogue and and I it's sparking good dialogue and and I think it's overall has been good so far think it's overall has been good so far oh cool author Tom O'Neal oh cool author Tom O'Neal by now you've probably heard of the by now you've probably heard of the benefits of cannaboids like CBD well

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was definitely off I had my son and eventually met with off I had my son and eventually met with a hormone specialist where he found I a hormone specialist where he found I had very low had very low testosterone I think it was like 16 testosterone I think it was like 16 NG or whatever the measurement may be um NG or whatever the measurement may be um and without question I just started trt and without question I just started trt at the time um now I'm on basically 12 at the time um now I'm on basically 12 and a half milligrams a week and shortly and a half milligrams a week and shortly after I start the testosterone I found after I start the testosterone I found out I had several nutrient out I had several nutrient deficiencies um like iron and deficiencies um like iron and b12 and that's kind of changed my b12 and that's kind of changed my relationship with nutrition and relationship with nutrition and exercise and um basically I I I'm asking exercise and um basically I I I'm asking if well let me backtrack a little bit if well let me backtrack a little bit testosterone when I started it testosterone when I started it definitely improved a lot of things it definitely improved a lot of things it improved my sex drive it improved my improved my sex drive it improved my motivation um I definitely put on some motivation um I definitely put on some muscle which was really great and I'm muscle which was really great and I'm basically asking if ever coming off

basically asking if ever coming off testosterone could be appropriate for me testosterone could be appropriate for me or if possibly just staying on it might or if possibly just staying on it might be the best thing for me you know I I be the best thing for me you know I I have no real way of telling at this have no real way of telling at this point I'm trying to find like the root point I'm trying to find like the root cause of why I have low sex hormones or cause of why I have low sex hormones or low nutrients and stuff like that sorry low nutrients and stuff like that sorry I lost my train of thought Carlin are I lost my train of thought Carlin are you are you you're looking to get off uh you are you you're looking to get off uh trt is your question about getting off trt is your question about getting off of it or yeah yeah I mean if or should of it or yeah yeah I mean if or should if it could yeah if I should basically if it could yeah if I should basically like if it could be appropriate for me like if it could be appropriate for me too or if because it's working so well too or if because it's working so well that it would be okay to just stay on it that it would be okay to just stay on it there's just so much conflicting things there's just so much conflicting things about it and I have no real way of about it and I have no real way of knowing at this point right now if you knowing at this point right now if you know my low testosterone and my low know my low testosterone and my low nutrient are potentially poor diet nutrient are potentially poor diet related

related um but I'm wondering if it could be um but I'm wondering if it could be appropriate now that I'm exercising appropriate now that I'm exercising regularly and my nutrition's pretty on regularly and my nutrition's pretty on point if it would be appropriate to try point if it would be appropriate to try it without it so so this ultimately it without it so so this ultimately would be a question for um your your a would be a question for um your your a specialist right the hormone doctor that specialist right the hormone doctor that you're working with but I can speak out you're working with but I can speak out of experience of working with of experience of working with clients um who've been on trt women clients um who've been on trt women who've been on trt now first thing I who've been on trt now first thing I need to ask you is did you fix those need to ask you is did you fix those nutrient deficiencies or are they still nutrient deficiencies or are they still present so I am I'm I'm working on it present so I am I'm I'm working on it um so basically I got I I got a um so basically I got I I got a endoscopy result yesterday actually endoscopy result yesterday actually which is right right before I or right which is right right before I or right after I rode into you guys um and I after I rode into you guys um and I probably have H pylori yeah um and so probably have H pylori yeah um and so I was actually reading about that too I was actually reading about that too that can affect testosterone

that can affect testosterone levels um so yeah I've been working on levels um so yeah I've been working on the nutrients themselves but not the nutrients themselves but not necessarily the root cause of why the necessarily the root cause of why the nutrients are low because I just figured nutrients are low because I just figured out yeah if you have gut health issues out yeah if you have gut health issues so hpylori can cause ulcers and so hpylori can cause ulcers and inflammation in the gut and can affect inflammation in the gut and can affect um nutrient absorption so you could eat um nutrient absorption so you could eat you know all the the B vitamins and you you know all the the B vitamins and you know foods with iron you can supplement know foods with iron you can supplement and if you're finding like it's not and if you're finding like it's not making a big dent um or you need to take making a big dent um or you need to take like these huge amounts to make a like these huge amounts to make a difference there's often times a a an difference there's often times a a an absorption issue there's an issue with absorption issue there's an issue with you assimilating those nutrients and it you assimilating those nutrients and it typically goes to the to to gut health typically goes to the to to gut health so I'm glad you got that test and if it so I'm glad you got that test and if it is in fact just hpylori that's a pretty is in fact just hpylori that's a pretty easy fix you go on you go on some easy fix you go on you go on some antibiotics gets rid of it Tak some antibiotics gets rid of it Tak some probiotics afterwards and then you you probiotics afterwards and then you you you should Noti some some um some big you should Noti some some um some big benefits unless there's just some other benefits unless there's just some other stuff that's going on a functional

stuff that's going on a functional medicine practitioner would be somebody medicine practitioner would be somebody that youd want to work with to look at that youd want to work with to look at that stuff now uh that stuff now uh trt um are you still noticing the the trt um are you still noticing the the benefits that you got initially because benefits that you got initially because sometimes people go on it they for three sometimes people go on it they for three four months I feel great and afterwards four months I feel great and afterwards like oh it's gone are you still noticing like oh it's gone are you still noticing the benefits that you got when you first the benefits that you got when you first went on went on it it um yeah I mean for the most part the um yeah I mean for the most part the only thing that's really different is only thing that's really different is you know my sex drive is not as crazy it you know my sex drive is not as crazy it was as it was initially but that's kind was as it was initially but that's kind of to be expected but as far as the of to be expected but as far as the um I feel like my muscle growth is still um I feel like my muscle growth is still like improving in ways that it never has like improving in ways that it never has ever in my life um and I also feel like ever in my life um and I also feel like I am more motivated I I feel like I am more motivated I I feel like there's a lot of benefit to it it's just there's a lot of benefit to it it's just um now that I'm on like this very like um now that I'm on like this very like naturalistic path and stuff it just feel naturalistic path and stuff it just feel so wrong to be injecting you know like so wrong to be injecting you know like this this synthetic hormone sometimes

this this synthetic hormone sometimes but it does seem to help yeah sometimes but it does seem to help yeah sometimes people need to take um hormones because people need to take um hormones because we can't figure out why they're not we can't figure out why they're not producing enough or why it's not producing enough or why it's not balancing out properly um and that's balancing out properly um and that's true for testosterone as well but often true for testosterone as well but often times especially if you're young which times especially if you're young which you are the um lifestyle can change you are the um lifestyle can change change that for the positive so and you change that for the positive so and you even see this with with disease States even see this with with disease States like you even see this with pre-diabetes like you even see this with pre-diabetes where somebody's body's not responding where somebody's body's not responding to insulin then they get healthy and fit to insulin then they get healthy and fit and it reverses right um so and you can and it reverses right um so and you can see this even with thyroids sometimes see this even with thyroids sometimes with autoimmune issues where they'll with autoimmune issues where they'll avoid certain foods work on their gut avoid certain foods work on their gut health and then they're no longer health and then they're no longer hypothyroid um as a result or not having hypothyroid um as a result or not having symptoms of hypothyroidism because symptoms of hypothyroidism because they're they've got their immune system they're they've got their immune system to react properly but this would be to react properly but this would be something you'd want to do with a something you'd want to do with a functional medicine practice functional medicine practice practitioner and what they'll do is practitioner and what they'll do is they'll look at a variety of different they'll look at a variety of different things move you through the process of

things move you through the process of you know healing your gut if that's the you know healing your gut if that's the issue looking at other areas maybe issue looking at other areas maybe there's mold toxicity a parasite who there's mold toxicity a parasite who knows right they'll go through and and knows right they'll go through and and they'll work through these through a they'll work through these through a natural process of getting your body to natural process of getting your body to where it needs to go and then from there where it needs to go and then from there you would work on reducing and then you would work on reducing and then eliminating testosterone and then eliminating testosterone and then measuring symptoms and testosterone measuring symptoms and testosterone levels afterwards you know when it comes levels afterwards you know when it comes to sex drive by the way there are to sex drive by the way there are physiological drivers of sex drive but a physiological drivers of sex drive but a lot of it is also lifestyle right like lot of it is also lifestyle right like there's a lot of things that can affect there's a lot of things that can affect sex like you can have great testosterone sex like you can have great testosterone but if your stress is high if you're but if your stress is high if you're arguing with your spouse if you're arguing with your spouse if you're whatever like you just might not be in whatever like you just might not be in the mood um you know not getting enough the mood um you know not getting enough sleep or whatever I mean you could have sleep or whatever I mean you could have synthetically high testosterone and have synthetically high testosterone and have shitty sleep you're not going to be in shitty sleep you're not going to be in the mood um and I'm using a simple the mood um and I'm using a simple example but but um you know although example but but um you know although physiological drivers of of libido are physiological drivers of of libido are also very important my point is you're

also very important my point is you're going to want to work with someone who going to want to work with someone who understands this thing from a holistic understands this thing from a holistic standpoint and the the way where I would standpoint and the the way where I would point you would be a functional medicine point you would be a functional medicine practitioner now we have a practitioner now we have a forum um for that uh what's the name of forum um for that uh what's the name of our forum is MP holistic health holistic our forum is MP holistic health holistic health yeah this is on Facebook it's a health yeah this is on Facebook it's a free forum okay with functional medicine free forum okay with functional medicine practitioners and people who ask for practitioners and people who ask for help or whatever and you can get a lot help or whatever and you can get a lot of free advice there but then also you of free advice there but then also you can work with one of their these are can work with one of their these are people we vetted you can work with one people we vetted you can work with one one one of the functional medicine one one of the functional medicine practitioners on Dr cabal's team he's practitioners on Dr cabal's team he's been on our show many times and then been on our show many times and then they can take you through this process they can take you through this process and you can tell them hey I want to try and you can tell them hey I want to try getting off testosterone and they'll be getting off testosterone and they'll be honest with you they'll go through the honest with you they'll go through the process and they'll say yeah we could process and they'll say yeah we could take you off you look great or no it take you off you look great or no it looks like you're going to have to stay looks like you're going to have to stay on this because we can't seem to figure on this because we can't seem to figure out what's uh you know why it's so low out what's uh you know why it's so low um but that's would be the direction I um but that's would be the direction I would go okay you feel like um one of would go okay you feel like um one of those practitioners would be because it

those practitioners would be because it is very difficult to find somebody who's is very difficult to find somebody who's educated in all these different things educated in all these different things you know so do you feel like those you know so do you feel like those people would people would be 100% 100% yeah yeah they're they be 100% 100% yeah yeah they're they that's your best bet for getting your that's your best bet for getting your body uh and your health where you want body uh and your health where you want it because they look at everything from it because they look at everything from a holistic standpoint so they will do a holistic standpoint so they will do lots of testing they will look at all lots of testing they will look at all your hormones they will look at your your hormones they will look at your nutrients levels they will also look at nutrients levels they will also look at inflammation they will look at your gut inflammation they will look at your gut health um and then they'll take it from health um and then they'll take it from there and then based off of what they there and then based off of what they see they know what other tests to do see they know what other tests to do they won't prescribe hormones they don't they won't prescribe hormones they don't do that um or testosterone they do that um or testosterone they definitely don't do that but at the end definitely don't do that but at the end of it they can take you through the of it they can take you through the process of taking you off and observe process of taking you off and observe what's going on and then say yeah I what's going on and then say yeah I think it's appropriate you're on think it's appropriate you're on testosterone or not I'm going to tell testosterone or not I'm going to tell you this right now for lots of uh you this right now for lots of uh healthy young people especially women healthy young people especially women often times they in my experience they

often times they in my experience they can come off for men sometimes it be it can come off for men sometimes it be it tends to be a little bit more tends to be a little bit more challenging because the levels that we challenging because the levels that we need are so much higher that when you need are so much higher that when you see it in the floor uh that can be a see it in the floor uh that can be a harder sometimes a harder problem to uh harder sometimes a harder problem to uh to to to fix I would say um I've seen to to to fix I would say um I've seen okay but I've seen women go off okay but I've seen women go off testosterone many many times through testosterone many many times through changing lifestyle so it's possible but changing lifestyle so it's possible but You' have to do it with somebody who You' have to do it with somebody who understands this holistically and that understands this holistically and that would be best bet okay okay can I ask would be best bet okay okay can I ask did did like the women you've seen come did did like the women you've seen come off it did were they on it long term and off it did were they on it long term and were're still successful coming off oh were're still successful coming off oh yeah I mean you you've only been on for yeah I mean you you've only been on for a year I had you know I had a client a year I had you know I had a client that was on for years um and she came that was on for years um and she came off uh and was and felt great um yeah off uh and was and felt great um yeah more often than not I'll be honest with more often than not I'll be honest with you now some people don't want to go and you now some people don't want to go and and are not like you and saying okay let and are not like you and saying okay let me look at all the different things me look at all the different things often times people are like I feel fine often times people are like I feel fine I don't care I'm not going to look at I don't care I'm not going to look at any other you know potential root issues any other you know potential root issues and I get that you know life gets

and I get that you know life gets difficult and challenging you know being difficult and challenging you know being on testosterone feels better um but uh on testosterone feels better um but uh like I said I've worked with lots of like I said I've worked with lots of women who've who've come off and were women who've who've come off and were told and some of them were older younger told and some of them were older younger women is like I mean that often times we women is like I mean that often times we can often times I've seen them come off can often times I've seen them come off as is what I've experienced yeah the as is what I've experienced yeah the functional medicine and natural path functional medicine and natural path kind of direction is is your best bet kind of direction is is your best bet for anything that's like root cause or for anything that's like root cause or anything that's a chronic issue so um anything that's a chronic issue so um you know that's that's really where you know that's that's really where you're going to get closest to a lot of you're going to get closest to a lot of the answers that'll move the needle the the answers that'll move the needle the most for you and and any underlying most for you and and any underlying issues uh they may be able to detect and issues uh they may be able to detect and and give you kind of a protocol for that and give you kind of a protocol for that I I'm very optimistic for you that you I I'm very optimistic for you that you will have success with this uh because will have success with this uh because to Sal's point this is my experience too to Sal's point this is my experience too is that uh the the female clients I had is that uh the the female clients I had that didn't come off or couldn't come that didn't come off or couldn't come off the testost were the ones that off the testost were the ones that weren't willing to do the holistic weren't willing to do the holistic approach they just didn't want to put approach they just didn't want to put the time in they didn't want to take the the time in they didn't want to take the test they didn't want to try and test they didn't want to try and troubleshoot they didn't want to they troubleshoot they didn't want to they didn't want to try and do it

didn't want to try and do it holistically they just wanted the the holistically they just wanted the the quickest F fix they possibly could and quickest F fix they possibly could and taking synthetic testosterone was that taking synthetic testosterone was that for them the fact that you're already for them the fact that you're already exploring that on your own and then now exploring that on your own and then now we're helping you guide you through we're helping you guide you through cabal's team on that side I feel very cabal's team on that side I feel very confident that with them and with your confident that with them and with your mindset that you absolutely could come mindset that you absolutely could come off of it and and fix the root off of it and and fix the root cause cool cool that's great news yeah cause cool cool that's great news yeah go on that Forum uh ask to be invited or go on that Forum uh ask to be invited or included in there it's it's free for included in there it's it's free for everybody it's MP holistic health you everybody it's MP holistic health you can ask questions there read The Forum can ask questions there read The Forum and then you can talk to their team and then you can talk to their team again these are people we vetted they're again these are people we vetted they're really they're the best that we've come really they're the best that we've come across at what they do and um you've across at what they do and um you've already done an endoscopy identified H already done an endoscopy identified H pylori if there's any other tests you pylori if there's any other tests you could show them they could use those could show them they could use those tests and they can also they could also tests and they can also they could also put forward other tests to have you do put forward other tests to have you do to to look a little deeper but you would to to look a little deeper but you would be shocked at how big of a difference um

be shocked at how big of a difference um you know especially when you're talking you know especially when you're talking about nutrient deficiencies on top of about nutrient deficiencies on top of this um there's a gut issue going on you this um there's a gut issue going on you hpor is a big one by the way that's a hpor is a big one by the way that's a that's a big deal you know back in the that's a big deal you know back in the day before we identified H pylori you day before we identified H pylori you know we just thought people got ulcers know we just thought people got ulcers oh you got ulcers so just you know take oh you got ulcers so just you know take antacids and uh try not to stress antacids and uh try not to stress yourself out now we know the major cause yourself out now we know the major cause of ulcers because H py will do that over of ulcers because H py will do that over time is this that's actually pretty time is this that's actually pretty successfully treated with conventional successfully treated with conventional Western medicine pretty successfully so Western medicine pretty successfully so and and then that as your gut heals you and and then that as your gut heals you can start absorbing stuff otherwise you can start absorbing stuff otherwise you have malabsorption and that's probably have malabsorption and that's probably what's happened you said B vitamins and what's happened you said B vitamins and and and iron yeah and folate very common yeah so iron yeah and folate very common yeah so those are common in my experience those those are common in my experience those are common nutrient deficiencies in are common nutrient deficiencies in people with gut issues so once once you people with gut issues so once once you solve that you should start feeling like solve that you should start feeling like oh this is feel I feel a lot better oh this is feel I feel a lot better eating the same food that you're eating the same food that you're currently eating yeah thank you guys currently eating yeah thank you guys thanks for having me on you got it good

thanks for having me on you got it good luck okay yep thank you so much thanks luck okay yep thank you so much thanks Carlin yeah you know um I like I like Carlin yeah you know um I like I like that mentality around um you know that mentality around um you know medical intervention yeah like you know medical intervention yeah like you know because it's first of all it's valuable because it's first of all it's valuable when you need it MH um but it's also when you need it MH um but it's also important to be like okay is there a way important to be like okay is there a way I can not be dependent on this inter and I can not be dependent on this inter and sometimes there is no way sometimes you sometimes there is no way sometimes you just can't find the way in which case just can't find the way in which case that's okay but sometimes there is a way that's okay but sometimes there is a way and um and then that's very freeing you and um and then that's very freeing you know oh yeah yeah and that takes a lot know oh yeah yeah and that takes a lot of uh foresight to really you know go of uh foresight to really you know go beyond the fact that like right now you beyond the fact that like right now you feel good because you found an feel good because you found an intervention but uh really like uh to to intervention but uh really like uh to to go deeper and find that root cause you go deeper and find that root cause you know it takes work and it takes time and know it takes work and it takes time and effort uh but on the other side of that effort uh but on the other side of that you know you could really like end up uh you know you could really like end up uh resolving it completely yeah I think resolving it completely yeah I think your advice or permission you gave her your advice or permission you gave her to basically stay on the testosterone to basically stay on the testosterone while you pursue these tests and figure

while you pursue these tests and figure this out you can do both simultaneously this out you can do both simultaneously and start to because the mistake that and start to because the mistake that someone might make in this situation is someone might make in this situation is they want to go the holistic route and they want to go the holistic route and so they just cut the synthetic right so they just cut the synthetic right away and then they feel like trash and away and then they feel like trash and now they don't have the the motivation now they don't have the the motivation to work out anymore the motivation to to work out anymore the motivation to make good choices and so then it just make good choices and so then it just spirals them out it's like no you can spirals them out it's like no you can absolutely stay on that cuz it's obvious absolutely stay on that cuz it's obvious from her feedback that she's seen from her feedback that she's seen massive positive benefits from the massive positive benefits from the synthetic testosterone so stay on it but synthetic testosterone so stay on it but yet still be trying to figure out well yet still be trying to figure out well what's the root cause that was causing what's the root cause that was causing this and try and solve that the holistic this and try and solve that the holistic approach and then when you feel like approach and then when you feel like you've checked all the boxes okay we you've checked all the boxes okay we fixed the H pilori my deficiencies are fixed the H pilori my deficiencies are good I've been consistent now let's see good I've been consistent now let's see if I can taper off this testosterone and if I can taper off this testosterone and see if I can keep it up there and they see if I can keep it up there and they absolutely will help you do that I mean absolutely will help you do that I mean that's the the whole purpose of the that's the the whole purpose of the relationship that we've built with both relationship that we've built with both companies right theide idea of us having companies right theide idea of us having that is that we always are going to that is that we always are going to point people in the direction of trying point people in the direction of trying to get to the bottom of it holistically

to get to the bottom of it holistically but then we also have the The A Team but then we also have the The A Team that supports you on the synthetic side that supports you on the synthetic side also so but always go that direction also so but always go that direction first if you can our next caller is first if you can our next caller is Jared from Texas what's up Jared what's Jared from Texas what's up Jared what's going on Jared how you doing what's going on Jared how you doing what's happening man hey guys how's it going happening man hey guys how's it going man how can we help you appreciate you man how can we help you appreciate you guys having me um let me jump right into guys having me um let me jump right into my question it should be I assumed it my question it should be I assumed it was a pretty straightforward one uh was a pretty straightforward one uh about super sets actually about super sets actually um specifically pairing a unilateral um specifically pairing a unilateral exercise with a bilateral exercise so exercise with a bilateral exercise so just as an example you guys have um in just as an example you guys have um in your Aesthetics program which I'm doing your Aesthetics program which I'm doing right now a few different examples of right now a few different examples of this um one of which is like a lat pull this um one of which is like a lat pull down super set with a single arm down super set with a single arm dumbbell row um and in doing this dumbbell row um and in doing this exercise when I jump into that dumbbell exercise when I jump into that dumbbell row that arm is exhausted already from row that arm is exhausted already from the laat pull Downs whereas my other arm the laat pull Downs whereas my other arm will be a little bit rested by the time will be a little bit rested by the time I get to it so I was just curious if it I get to it so I was just curious if it was designed that way um or if if was designed that way um or if if there's something that I could be doing

there's something that I could be doing they maybe challenge myself what I had they maybe challenge myself what I had done is each set just alternating which done is each set just alternating which arm I'm starting with but I don't know arm I'm starting with but I don't know if that's appropriate if there's another if that's appropriate if there's another way um that was intended for that yeah way um that was intended for that yeah there's three there's three ways you there's three there's three ways you could you could approach this one is could you could approach this one is what you said you alternate which arm what you said you alternate which arm you start with two is you start with you start with two is you start with your weaker arm and then mirror those your weaker arm and then mirror those reps with the other arm even though you reps with the other arm even though you think you could do more and then three think you could do more and then three is to do the unilateral exercise is to do the unilateral exercise bilaterally so it's single arm dumbbell bilaterally so it's single arm dumbbell row you could do both dumbbells at the row you could do both dumbbells at the same time if this is really messing with same time if this is really messing with your head so there just three approaches your head so there just three approaches on how you would do it um and I've done on how you would do it um and I've done each of them and I think there's no real each of them and I think there's no real wrong way uh to approach it I think the wrong way uh to approach it I think the the if you know since we're splitting the if you know since we're splitting hairs because it is kind of splitting hairs because it is kind of splitting hairs I mean you could even alternate it hairs I mean you could even alternate it yeah well that's what he did that's what yeah well that's what he did that's what he yeah yeah alternating is what I do a he yeah yeah alternating is what I do a lot of times but I'm also I also do what lot of times but I'm also I also do what Sal says like sometimes when I'm trying Sal says like sometimes when I'm trying to develop a weaker side and balance it to develop a weaker side and balance it out I just use that as the opportunity out I just use that as the opportunity to really challenge that weaker side and

to really challenge that weaker side and then I just mirror it with the dominant then I just mirror it with the dominant side knowing that I could do several side knowing that I could do several more reps with that strong arm it more reps with that strong arm it doesn't matter to me because I'm also doesn't matter to me because I'm also utilizing this as a chance to balance utilizing this as a chance to balance out my my left or right yeah the most out my my left or right yeah the most common way that I do it is I'll do uh common way that I do it is I'll do uh and it just be for time for me is I'll and it just be for time for me is I'll do the unilateral exercise a bilateral do the unilateral exercise a bilateral way so if it's two dumbbells you know way so if it's two dumbbells you know I'll do both dumbbells at the same time I'll do both dumbbells at the same time um so lat pull down to dumbbell rub I'll um so lat pull down to dumbbell rub I'll do both dumbbells at the same time just do both dumbbells at the same time just to save time but I mean there's really to save time but I mean there's really no wrong answer here um and it is no wrong answer here um and it is somewhat splitting hairs even if you did somewhat splitting hairs even if you did the same side all the time there's so the same side all the time there's so many other exercises and ways that many other exercises and ways that you're training your body that you you're training your body that you probably wouldn't not you wouldn't probably wouldn't not you wouldn't notice a difference it's also part of notice a difference it's also part of the challenge right like uh you know the the challenge right like uh you know the super set part you should feel a bit super set part you should feel a bit exhausted like stacking those together exhausted like stacking those together well that's part of that's part of our well that's part of that's part of our desired outcome of this right like so desired outcome of this right like so this is not this part of the phase of this is not this part of the phase of the program is not let's get maximal the program is not let's get maximal strength R right out of an arm or both strength R right out of an arm or both it's like we're also challenging you

it's like we're also challenging you know hypertrophy here and then and and know hypertrophy here and then and and muscle endurance so and that's getting muscle endurance so and that's getting accomplished no matter which one of accomplished no matter which one of those ways you draw it up by drop the those ways you draw it up by drop the weight down a little bit you know if you weight down a little bit you know if you need to yeah let me and just to just to need to yeah let me and just to just to add to this Jared if if you were to look add to this Jared if if you were to look at a total years worth of at a total years worth of training uh and you're in maps aesthetic training uh and you're in maps aesthetic so I'm assuming your goal is is build so I'm assuming your goal is is build muscle right you want to build muscle muscle right you want to build muscle kind to build like a physique right okay kind to build like a physique right okay so if you look at a whole Year's worth so if you look at a whole Year's worth of of training super sets are going to make up training super sets are going to make up about one tenth of it anyway period okay about one tenth of it anyway period okay so it shouldn't make up half of your so it shouldn't make up half of your workouts it shouldn't even make up a workouts it shouldn't even make up a third it's probably going to make up third it's probably going to make up more like a tenth of your workouts and more like a tenth of your workouts and this is what you get if you follow our this is what you get if you follow our programs is you'll you'll notice if you programs is you'll you'll notice if you look at the time spent doing super sets look at the time spent doing super sets versus not doing super sets it's versus not doing super sets it's something like one you know maybe 17th something like one you know maybe 17th to 1110th of the time of your workout so to 1110th of the time of your workout so it's a very small part of all of your it's a very small part of all of your workouts and then within those super workouts and then within those super sets one sliver of that on10th is

sets one sliver of that on10th is bilateral unilateral superpets so even bilateral unilateral superpets so even if you didn't alternate even if you if you didn't alternate even if you didn't do them at the same time even if didn't do them at the same time even if you didn't start with the weaker side you didn't start with the weaker side the potential the fear that you have is the potential the fear that you have is am I going to develop one side more than am I going to develop one side more than the other it's not going to happen so the other it's not going to happen so just to kind of put it in big picture um just to kind of put it in big picture um you know in in the big picture I hope you know in in the big picture I hope that that helps yeah it does I mean I think it's helps yeah it does I mean I think it's you know to your point it was more the you know to your point it was more the endurance piece of it you know it wasn't endurance piece of it you know it wasn't that it was too heavy or too challenging that it was too heavy or too challenging it's just it was fatiguing so much it's just it was fatiguing so much quicker than by the time I got to my quicker than by the time I got to my other arm I could do a lot more so I other arm I could do a lot more so I think the alternating that I did work think the alternating that I did work really well but I like the idea of of really well but I like the idea of of maybe just doing unilateral on both of maybe just doing unilateral on both of them yep yep that's how I typically them yep yep that's how I typically would do it so very cool can we uh have would do it so very cool can we uh have you followed any other program or is you followed any other program or is this the first one no I have I have this the first one no I have I have several my wife and I have gotten gotten several my wife and I have gotten gotten quite a few of them we've been hooked on quite a few of them we've been hooked on you guys for a little while oh good red you guys for a little while oh good red do you have anabolic advaned yet I do do you have anabolic advaned yet I do have anabolic advance I think the one have anabolic advance I think the one that we were actually looking into we that we were actually looking into we haven't gotten yet was performance um

haven't gotten yet was performance um something that we've been very something that we've been very interested in did you did you did you interested in did you did you did you let's get you I'm gonna hold is your let's get you I'm gonna hold is your wife G to watch this afterwards because wife G to watch this afterwards because I'm put you on the spot she better okay I'm put you on the spot she better okay I I can give you Mass performance or I I I can give you Mass performance or I could give your W wife map's muscle could give your W wife map's muscle Mommy if she doesn't have it she has Mommy if she doesn't have it she has muscle all right good for you you're muscle all right good for you you're lucky you have to make a choice man lucky you have to make a choice man we'll send you performance yeah I'll we'll send you performance yeah I'll send that over to you that' be great send that over to you that' be great appreciate that guys you got it man appreciate that guys you got it man appreciate the support awesome thank so appreciate the support awesome thank so much you guys do apprciate take it easy much you guys do apprciate take it easy jar you know I'm glad he asked that jar you know I'm glad he asked that because uh we don't think about it right because uh we don't think about it right we write the program out to us it makes we write the program out to us it makes sense yeah but I could see the logic sense yeah but I could see the logic kind of used to that I can totally see kind of used to that I can totally see the logic I mean we I I in our defense the logic I mean we I I in our defense we do think about it when we're we do think about it when we're programming and what I mean is we don't programming and what I mean is we don't think like oh this is going to well yeah think like oh this is going to well yeah that it ca I mean and yeah actually we that it ca I mean and yeah actually we probably did but I think that's exact probably did but I think that's exact what you explained is the conclusion what you explained is the conclusion that we have it's like listen uh the that we have it's like listen uh the difference is splitting hairs with we difference is splitting hairs with we don't need to over complicate this this don't need to over complicate this this conversation we just put it in there and conversation we just put it in there and then we'll address when and whenever then we'll address when and whenever this yeah when it when it comes up and

this yeah when it when it comes up and and what to do about it and you know and and what to do about it and you know and a lot of this has to do with the the a lot of this has to do with the the adaptation we're chasing in that phase adaptation we're chasing in that phase it's muscle endurance it's hypertrophy it's muscle endurance it's hypertrophy it's the pump is the main desired it's the pump is the main desired outcome you're going to get that no outcome you're going to get that no matter how you draw this up uh you we matter how you draw this up uh you we wouldn't we wouldn't convolute a uh wouldn't we wouldn't convolute a uh strength phase with something like this strength phase with something like this it wouldn't make you're looking for it wouldn't make you're looking for maximal strength uh the wrong way then maximal strength uh the wrong way then yeah this would be the wrong way to do yeah this would be the wrong way to do that but since the main ad adaptation is that but since the main ad adaptation is hypertrophy muscle endurance the pump uh hypertrophy muscle endurance the pump uh totally okay and and not a big deal here totally okay and and not a big deal here but good question uh our next caller is but good question uh our next caller is Robert from Minnesota what's up Robert Robert from Minnesota what's up Robert what's up man how can we help you hey what's up man how can we help you hey guys nice to meet you guys nice to meet you hey so um I just want to say like you hey so um I just want to say like you guys have completely changed the way I guys have completely changed the way I look at Fitness Nutrition and everything look at Fitness Nutrition and everything I thought I had it figured out out 713 I I thought I had it figured out out 713 I started listening to you guys a few started listening to you guys a few years ago and completely blew my mind so

years ago and completely blew my mind so like thanks for that thanks for all the like thanks for that thanks for all the good info you guys put out I recommend good info you guys put out I recommend your podcast to pretty much everybody I your podcast to pretty much everybody I talk to about this kind of stuff so it's talk to about this kind of stuff so it's really awesome thank you um so a little really awesome thank you um so a little little background before I get my little background before I get my question I'll make it kind of quick um I question I'll make it kind of quick um I started working I was 13 I'm 41 now I started working I was 13 I'm 41 now I got two kids um teenage son young got two kids um teenage son young daughter she's in gymnastics he does daughter she's in gymnastics he does baseball they both are into working out baseball they both are into working out um all that kind of stuff so I guess um all that kind of stuff so I guess what my question is is recently I got what my question is is recently I got into CrossFit in February um and I into CrossFit in February um and I thought I wouldn't like it but then when thought I wouldn't like it but then when I started doing it I really like the I started doing it I really like the mobility aspect of it doing the sa and mobility aspect of it doing the sa and the coold plunge afterwards started the coold plunge afterwards started bringing my son there he loved it too so bringing my son there he loved it too so then my daughter wanted to start coming then my daughter wanted to start coming and um I guess it's kind of a two-part and um I guess it's kind of a two-part question um with cold tub training after question um with cold tub training after CrossFit I know it causes vasil CrossFit I know it causes vasil constriction so I'm just kind of worried constriction so I'm just kind of worried about going between SAA um and then into about going between SAA um and then into the cold tub and back and forth after a the cold tub and back and forth after a workout like that that's kind of intense workout like that that's kind of intense and then I'm also worried about they

and then I'm also worried about they don't do a a lot of isometric lifts in don't do a a lot of isometric lifts in there so I don't want to like do too there so I don't want to like do too much like cardio based lifts and lose much like cardio based lifts and lose any kind of muscle gains I'm doing in my any kind of muscle gains I'm doing in my home gym so I'm trying to figure out home gym so I'm trying to figure out what the best mix of working out is what the best mix of working out is between the two or if I just do one or between the two or if I just do one or the other and just not do the CrossFit the other and just not do the CrossFit or I I just really don't know what to do or I I just really don't know what to do with that and the second part of my with that and the second part of my question is basically like how much can question is basically like how much can my kids do of that kind of like is my kids do of that kind of like is training with me CrossFit or any of that training with me CrossFit or any of that on top of sports like what what do you on top of sports like what what do you guys think is the best approach for guys think is the best approach for somebody in my age Robert I'm going to somebody in my age Robert I'm going to make some I'm going to make some gu some make some I'm going to make some gu some educated guesses right now on you you educated guesses right now on you you tell me if I'm right or wrong okay okay tell me if I'm right or wrong okay okay all right you are the kind of person all right you are the kind of person that is all or nothing and if you do that is all or nothing and if you do something you tend to go like all in something you tend to go like all in 100% is that 100% is that you yes okay and the people around you you yes okay and the people around you would describe we know our kind and you would describe we know our kind and you probably and you probably have people probably and you probably have people telling you that you're doing too much telling you that you're doing too much right now does that ever happen to you right now does that ever happen to you where people are like all right you need where people are like all right you need to take a break yeah or just calm down

to take a break yeah or just calm down yeah yeah yeah okay I guessed it because yeah yeah yeah okay I guessed it because because the way you're talking and I can because the way you're talking and I can see your Black Rifle t-shirt okay I know see your Black Rifle t-shirt okay I know yeah right okay I know what's going on yeah right okay I know what's going on here um okay so what's your goal that here um okay so what's your goal that because that's going to help me answer because that's going to help me answer because the fact that you love it that's because the fact that you love it that's great the fact that you're bringing your great the fact that you're bringing your kids and you're connecting with your kids and you're connecting with your kids that's great that's great movement kids that's great that's great movement my fear with your personality and the my fear with your personality and the fact that you combined it with Crossfit fact that you combined it with Crossfit and you're also doing cold and on and you're also doing cold and on afterwards is you're just going too much afterwards is you're just going too much you're going too hard too much and you're going too hard too much and you're probably training at Your you're probably training at Your Capacity which is not ideal for Capacity which is not ideal for adaptation so in other words you have adaptation so in other words you have what you can tolerate Which is far above what you can tolerate Which is far above and beyond what is ideal for Progress and beyond what is ideal for Progress now if you don't mind always red lining now if you don't mind always red lining and you don't over go over the red line and you don't over go over the red line to where you mess up your testosterone to where you mess up your testosterone or your sleep you start having shitty or your sleep you start having shitty sleep or it starts to break your body sleep or it starts to break your body down and you don't really care about down and you don't really care about progressing too much you're just like I progressing too much you're just like I like to just push the limit then then like to just push the limit then then that's okay but if so I got I got to

that's okay but if so I got I got to know what your goals are what do you know what your goals are what do you want out of this sure so my goal is want out of this sure so my goal is basically to I want to remain fit I want basically to I want to remain fit I want to have a decent amount of muscle mass to have a decent amount of muscle mass so by the time I'm older it just so by the time I'm older it just continues I've been working out since continues I've been working out since I've been 13 so I want to maintain that I've been 13 so I want to maintain that um kind of a hard Gainer so I've never um kind of a hard Gainer so I've never had an issue with you know diet all that had an issue with you know diet all that kind of stuff um but I also I really kind of stuff um but I also I really like the mobility aspect I know if you like the mobility aspect I know if you stop lifting certain ways you won't be stop lifting certain ways you won't be able to do that when you get older so I able to do that when you get older so I just want to you know cover all my bases just want to you know cover all my bases basically with all that how many how basically with all that how many how many days a week are you working many days a week are you working out anywhere between three and five um out anywhere between three and five um in the home gym and then right now I'm in the home gym and then right now I'm actually not doing CrossFit during my actually not doing CrossFit during my son's baseball season um for a couple son's baseball season um for a couple months and I'm planning on going back months and I'm planning on going back but that's why I'm trying to figure this but that's why I'm trying to figure this all out ahead of time so it's a total of all out ahead of time so it's a total of three to five days a week total and at three to five days a week total and at at least yeah have you followed have you at least yeah have you followed have you followed any of our programs yet I have followed any of our programs yet I have anabolic I haven't started it yet though anabolic I haven't started it yet though okay so I I felt like that was the okay so I I felt like that was the closest fit for what I was looking for closest fit for what I was looking for possibly but cuz you you keep you keep possibly but cuz you you keep you keep referring to mobility and really referring to mobility and really enjoying that and I you may not know

enjoying that and I you may not know this I don't know how long you've been this I don't know how long you've been listening to the show but map's listening to the show but map's performance was written for CrossFit performance was written for CrossFit people yeah we wrote it so we came out people yeah we wrote it so we came out early on on the podcast and did a big early on on the podcast and did a big podcast episode that went viral but back podcast episode that went viral but back in the days that was why mine pump in the days that was why mine pump doesn't CrossFit and we made the whole doesn't CrossFit and we made the whole case of like the things that we like case of like the things that we like like about it the things that we don't like about it the things that we don't like about it and the things that we like about it and the things that we would hear from our clients like I love would hear from our clients like I love the mobility aspect I like the the mobility aspect I like the performance that I get from it I like performance that I get from it I like the endurance and strength I get from the endurance and strength I get from Crossfit so I said okay and our audience Crossfit so I said okay and our audience basically said to us okay if you guys basically said to us okay if you guys don't like CrossFit but I love all these don't like CrossFit but I love all these attributes I get from Crossfit how would attributes I get from Crossfit how would you guys program something to give me you guys program something to give me those attributes that's Mass performance those attributes that's Mass performance that's literally we designed it with that's literally we designed it with that that person in mind and you sound that that person in mind and you sound like that to me everything you're saying like that to me everything you're saying with what you like and what you've with what you like and what you've gotten from Crossfit is what's in our gotten from Crossfit is what's in our Maps performance program so one I'd like Maps performance program so one I'd like to give that to you so you have that to give that to you so you have that because I think that thanks wow cuz I because I think that thanks wow cuz I feel like that fits uh what's going on

feel like that fits uh what's going on two I have some micro adjustments or two I have some micro adjustments or maybe some general goals or or general maybe some general goals or or general thoughts around kind of what you're thoughts around kind of what you're doing or training I'm a big advocate for doing or training I'm a big advocate for uh cold plunging before a workout uh not uh cold plunging before a workout uh not post-workout uh I yes I know it part of post-workout uh I yes I know it part of the reason why that is I know it blunts the reason why that is I know it blunts the signal for recovery and potential the signal for recovery and potential muscle building from it so I'm not a the muscle building from it so I'm not a the biggest fan of doing it right after biggest fan of doing it right after working out for those reasons but even working out for those reasons but even more because the adrenaline rush that I more because the adrenaline rush that I get camine production oh man if you get camine production oh man if you haven't tried yeah if you haven't done a haven't tried yeah if you haven't done a cold punch before a workout you got to cold punch before a workout you got to do it the best preout were you D like do it the best preout were you D like were you like drawn to that because you were you like drawn to that because you you thought it was like a wave to sort you thought it was like a wave to sort of recover a bit more effectively uh of recover a bit more effectively uh from your super intense workouts because from your super intense workouts because um in terms of like you're you're drawn um in terms of like you're you're drawn to the really intense workouts I'm going to the really intense workouts I'm going to assume right to assume right yeah yeah yeah and so I to to his point yeah yeah yeah and so I to to his point like like it's like I think uh I think you'd be

it's like I think uh I think you'd be surprised with mass performance like surprised with mass performance like we're addressing a lot of the like so we're addressing a lot of the like so CrossFit has a lot of really good CrossFit has a lot of really good exercises in it like they're they're the exercises in it like they're they're the problem for me is always it's been all problem for me is always it's been all mashed together uh and so you're you're mashed together uh and so you're you're kind of It kind of convolutes it in kind of It kind of convolutes it in terms of like what the value you get terms of like what the value you get from a lot of these exercises the from a lot of these exercises the mobility elements the endurance elements mobility elements the endurance elements the strength elements if we can just the strength elements if we can just compartmentalize that and just focus on compartmentalize that and just focus on that and specialize in those things that and specialize in those things exclusively you're going to get a lot exclusively you're going to get a lot more return for what you're putting in more return for what you're putting in so even then if you want to like do a so even then if you want to like do a phase of CrossFit and like get really phase of CrossFit and like get really good at like sort of the the circuit the good at like sort of the the circuit the endurance you know high intensity uh endurance you know high intensity uh element but then move on and just focus element but then move on and just focus on strength your body is going to on strength your body is going to benefit you know so much better yeah benefit you know so much better yeah Robert to be more specific Olympic Robert to be more specific Olympic lifting to fatigue is terrible for lifting to fatigue is terrible for Olympic lifting now for because Olympic Olympic lifting now for because Olympic lifting it's like Plyometrics right you lifting it's like Plyometrics right you has to be explosive and the technique is

has to be explosive and the technique is very important once fatigue sets in form very important once fatigue sets in form breaks down and now it's just now you're breaks down and now it's just now you're just sweating okay and you've taken an just sweating okay and you've taken an exercise that's safe made it very exercise that's safe made it very dangerous no Olympic lifter lifts dangerous no Olympic lifter lifts Olympic lifts to fatigue they just don't Olympic lifts to fatigue they just don't train that way they don't max out that train that way they don't max out that often either they even in fact that's often either they even in fact that's more for competition it it like it's more for competition it it like it's hard but is it really beneficial I think hard but is it really beneficial I think a lot of people don't ask that question a lot of people don't ask that question it makes you good at CrossFit it makes you good at CrossFit competitions uh now now I do know that competitions uh now now I do know that CrossFit programming nowadays varies CrossFit programming nowadays varies dramatically from gy to gym it used to dramatically from gy to gym it used to be shitty programming across the board be shitty programming across the board just to be honest with you but now I just to be honest with you but now I know enough coaches and gyms to know know enough coaches and gyms to know that some actually have they understand that some actually have they understand Olympic lifting uh and they train it uh Olympic lifting uh and they train it uh as such and they put the circuits as such and they put the circuits together more appropriate uh more together more appropriate uh more appropriately unless people are appropriately unless people are competing in CrossFit in which case you competing in CrossFit in which case you have to do them um Al together but yeah have to do them um Al together but yeah I think I think if you enjoy it do it I I think I think if you enjoy it do it I would be very careful with just would be very careful with just overtraining kind of listening to your overtraining kind of listening to your body there's no problem with the the

body there's no problem with the the cold plunge and the and the sauna back cold plunge and the and the sauna back to back in fact that constrict and U to back in fact that constrict and U vasodilate so Vaso constrict vasodilate vasodilate so Vaso constrict vasodilate Vaso constrict VOD dilate actually Vaso constrict VOD dilate actually trains uh your body's ability to to um trains uh your body's ability to to um acclimate to acclimate to both heat and acclimate to acclimate to both heat and cold it's actually pretty cool now it is cold it's actually pretty cool now it is a bit of a stress on the body it's not a a bit of a stress on the body it's not a bad stress but if you're already pushing bad stress but if you're already pushing the limit then adding that can actually the limit then adding that can actually tip you over into too much just just to tip you over into too much just just to keep that in mind okay with your kids keep that in mind okay with your kids they're both pretty young the thing I they're both pretty young the thing I the two things I would focus on with the two things I would focus on with kids is uh really really good technique kids is uh really really good technique technique technique technique technique technique technique technique technique very good technique and then make it very good technique and then make it enjoyable and this is a hard one for a enjoyable and this is a hard one for a lot of uh Fitness Fanatics because what lot of uh Fitness Fanatics because what they tend to want to do with their kids they tend to want to do with their kids is push them through a hard workout and is push them through a hard workout and make them tough and no no no keep going make them tough and no no no keep going I don't really don't want to do that I don't really don't want to do that yeah yeah and there's value in that but yeah yeah and there's value in that but here's but you want to play the long here's but you want to play the long game with little kids you want to turn game with little kids you want to turn them off that's right so the long game them off that's right so the long game with a 13-year-old is not can I get them

with a 13-year-old is not can I get them fit in you know in five months that's fit in you know in five months that's the short game the long game is can I the short game the long game is can I get them to have a good experience so get them to have a good experience so that when they're 25 and 35 you're that when they're 25 and 35 you're planting seeds they want to do this on planting seeds they want to do this on their own so even though the workout their own so even though the workout might look like nothing and then they might look like nothing and then they enjoy it and they're like I'm bored now enjoy it and they're like I'm bored now like oh you can stop and you're thinking like oh you can stop and you're thinking to yourself like you did two sets right to yourself like you did two sets right like what the hell you mean you stop but like what the hell you mean you stop but right you the long game is I want my kid right you the long game is I want my kid to develop a good relationship with with to develop a good relationship with with this so it's more important to me with this so it's more important to me with little kid with younger kids when we're little kid with younger kids when we're working out now when I'm working with an working out now when I'm working with an adult this is also important but it's adult this is also important but it's different it's also very important as a different it's also very important as a trainer with adults but with kids my trainer with adults but with kids my goal is I want them to like like doing goal is I want them to like like doing this with Dad that's the most important this with Dad that's the most important thing and then I want them to just like thing and then I want them to just like doing this and then I want them to be doing this and then I want them to be interested in figuring out how to do interested in figuring out how to do this right and then I want them to this right and then I want them to really like to work hard but it's in really like to work hard but it's in that order and some kids are gifted some that order and some kids are gifted some kids will go in and they'll like the kids will go in and they'll like the hard and you'll get that one and you hard and you'll get that one and you know and 30 that's like Dad I want to know and 30 that's like Dad I want to push myself harder and they're like oh

push myself harder and they're like oh [ __ ] okay I got to I got one of those [ __ ] okay I got to I got one of those kids but most kids don't not like that kids but most kids don't not like that most kids will be like bored yeah most kids will be like bored yeah they're good for 15 20 minutes and then they're good for 15 20 minutes and then I don't want to you know you're like oh I don't want to you know you're like oh that's cool you don't have to do it that's cool you don't have to do it anymore because you want to play that anymore because you want to play that long game that would be my only advice long game that would be my only advice with that but technique is really with that but technique is really important because they lack so much important because they lack so much stability especially as they start to stability especially as they start to grow quickly if you get a teenager grow quickly if you get a teenager that's going through puberty they're that's going through puberty they're like they're like baby giraffes like so like they're like baby giraffes like so awkward with their movement so you want awkward with their movement so you want to you want to really you know maximize to you want to really you know maximize their techque my favorite program that their techque my favorite program that we have for kids is map suspension yeah we have for kids is map suspension yeah map suspension is a great way to map suspension is a great way to introduce exercise make it fun challenge introduce exercise make it fun challenge their St stability form technique and their St stability form technique and range of motion it's a great and and range of motion it's a great and and it's very easy to modify for every level it's very easy to modify for every level so this you could have a kid who's seven so this you could have a kid who's seven and a kid that's 15 doing the same and a kid that's 15 doing the same workout by simply modifying that workout by simply modifying that exercise and you can do it really easily exercise and you can do it really easily from a suspension trainer one of my from a suspension trainer one of my favorite ways to train kids is that and favorite ways to train kids is that and it's so good so good for them to learn

it's so good so good for them to learn that stability component and their that stability component and their posture and their core that the the uh posture and their core that the the uh suspension trainer forces that on them suspension trainer forces that on them and it's fun it's just more fun to do and it's fun it's just more fun to do than traditional weight training so I than traditional weight training so I love that as a way to get your kids love that as a way to get your kids introduced to exercise training and introduced to exercise training and being consistent that's my favorite being consistent that's my favorite thing but for you I think perform I thing but for you I think perform I think you're going to love it I think a think you're going to love it I think a map Performance is literally the answer map Performance is literally the answer to the things that you like and then you to the things that you like and then you know back to my Cal Pune point is I you know back to my Cal Pune point is I you like cold punching and you like sauna I like cold punching and you like sauna I would do it yeah yep and if you feel would do it yeah yep and if you feel like the itch for CrossFit game you like the itch for CrossFit game you should try oldtime strength that's should try oldtime strength that's that's a hard program oh yeah that's that's a hard program oh yeah that's anything hard really I mean and then so anything hard really I mean and then so you would do the suspense or not you would do the suspense or not suspension the performance first and suspension the performance first and then I could still do anabolic though then I could still do anabolic though yeah oh yeah yeah oh yeah yeah oh yeah absolutely and then do you yeah oh yeah absolutely and then do you mind if I did you want to ask your mind if I did you want to ask your hormone question that you that you hormone question that you that you emailed us yeah okay yeah so um my

emailed us yeah okay yeah so um my testosterone level I don't remember what testosterone level I don't remember what it was at but it went down to it was at but it went down to 421 um and so my private physician 421 um and so my private physician recommended the pellet and I had a recommended the pellet and I had a client of mine that went to her as well client of mine that went to her as well didn't like the pellet went to didn't like the pellet went to injectables and lik the injectables injectables and lik the injectables better so when I went back to her and better so when I went back to her and asked her about the pellet she said it's asked her about the pellet she said it's more bioavailable so you don't actually more bioavailable so you don't actually get like the the Peaks and valleys or get like the the Peaks and valleys or he's saying the injectable one can he's saying the injectable one can control for the Peaks and valleys more control for the Peaks and valleys more and I just don't I don't know if I and I just don't I don't know if I should just try to fix my testosterone should just try to fix my testosterone through like Lifestyle Changes first through like Lifestyle Changes first revisit it and then if I do I don't know revisit it and then if I do I don't know which one would be better for me because which one would be better for me because it's there's so much different data on it's there's so much different data on both sides okay so your 41 do you mind both sides okay so your 41 do you mind if I go through your history that you if I go through your history that you that you asked us go ahead okay so so that you asked us go ahead okay so so you also did you had a stint with you also did you had a stint with anabolic steroids in your 20s late 20s anabolic steroids in your 20s late 20s yeah yep yep how long did you use them yeah yep yep how long did you use them for uh I did a cycle and a half so like for uh I did a cycle and a half so like month and then or three months and then month and then or three months and then another month and a half oh that's it oh another month and a half oh that's it oh it's not long yeah so not long Okay the it's not long yeah so not long Okay the reason why I ask you is because there's

reason why I ask you is because there's data showing that people who will dabble data showing that people who will dabble in anabolics on and off for a little in anabolics on and off for a little while in their youth the the odds that while in their youth the the odds that they'll have low testosterone say at they'll have low testosterone say at their 40s is actually quite high so I their 40s is actually quite high so I don't think that impacted you could you don't think that impacted you could you raise your raise your testosterone um yes you probably could testosterone um yes you probably could naturally it's probably going to be down naturally it's probably going to be down to sleep and Recovery just based off of to sleep and Recovery just based off of what you're telling me um you also what you're telling me um you also listed your diet looks your diet's listed your diet looks your diet's really good you know a lot about what really good you know a lot about what you're eating um it would really be you're eating um it would really be about recovery uh sleep and and about recovery uh sleep and and mitigating some of the all the activity mitigating some of the all the activity because sounds like you're doing a lot because sounds like you're doing a lot of good hard workouts but they that that of good hard workouts but they that that can lower testosterone 100% I mean I I can lower testosterone 100% I mean I I would I would explore that if you know would I would explore that if you know that about yourself already you're a that about yourself already you're a caffeine guy you're go- get it guy caffeine guy you're go- get it guy you're an adrenaline guy you're a SAA you're an adrenaline guy you're a SAA cold plune hard intens work that could cold plune hard intens work that could absolutely be T remember all those absolutely be T remember all those things even though they're good for you things even though they're good for you are all stresses on your body and you are all stresses on your body and you put a lot of stress on your body and you

put a lot of stress on your body and you add in the fact that we're 40 something add in the fact that we're 40 something years old now and you absolutely can years old now and you absolutely can start to drop your testosterone and start to drop your testosterone and simply giving your body the adequate simply giving your body the adequate rest recovery and sleep that it needs rest recovery and sleep that it needs even though that might be mentally even though that might be mentally challenging for you because you like all challenging for you because you like all the hard uh May absolutely benefit your the hard uh May absolutely benefit your free testosterone by itself yeah so I I free testosterone by itself yeah so I I explore that now that being said if you explore that now that being said if you do that and it's still not where you do that and it's still not where you want it um in my experience uh both want it um in my experience uh both personally and with the people I've personally and with the people I've worked with worked with injectable just symptom wise is the best injectable just symptom wise is the best I I I I very rarely meet anybody that I I I I very rarely meet anybody that says do you okay so this is my says do you okay so this is my experience with the people that I've experience with the people that I've worked with and all the reason why worked with and all the reason why people go to pellets and creams is people go to pellets and creams is simply because they don't like to inject simply because they don't like to inject themselves not because it gives them themselves not because it gives them better results so I know what they say better results so I know what they say bioavailable it keeps it more steady bioavailable it keeps it more steady blah blah blah you talk to anybody who's blah blah blah you talk to anybody who's done both and nine out of 10 times done both and nine out of 10 times they're like oh yeah I felt better on they're like oh yeah I felt better on the injectable uh so okay yeah good old

the injectable uh so okay yeah good old injectable the only pain in the butt is injectable the only pain in the butt is it's a pain in the butt right you can it's a pain in the butt right you can inject yourself yeah yeah yeah I feel inject yourself yeah yeah yeah I feel like I've heard you say something about like I've heard you say something about this on recent podcast as well so I kind this on recent podcast as well so I kind of thought that's what you're gonna say of thought that's what you're gonna say yeah yeah and some people can't even get yeah yeah and some people can't even get it up that high with some of those other it up that high with some of those other methods um sure and yeah and the pellet methods um sure and yeah and the pellet can be uncomfortable for some people too can be uncomfortable for some people too or whatever but um yeah symptom wise or whatever but um yeah symptom wise just in my I just in my I now that I think about it the only now that I think about it the only people that I know who liked who went people that I know who liked who went off injectable were because they hated off injectable were because they hated the injection it's not because they the injection it's not because they that's the only experience I have too that's the only experience I have too yeah yeah I've never had somebody I yeah yeah I've never had somebody I could deal with it yeah you're better could deal with it yeah you're better off that way if you do but definitely off that way if you do but definitely let I I would encourage you to at least let I I would encourage you to at least uh you know run a cycle of really uh you know run a cycle of really scaling back on your intense training scaling back on your intense training and really put a little more emphasis on and really put a little more emphasis on recovery and sleep and and just see how recovery and sleep and and just see how your body and I would add in their your body and I would add in their caffine I know we're joking about the caffine I know we're joking about the whole Black Rifle thing but I we didn't whole Black Rifle thing but I we didn't even get into that because that could even get into that because that could dramatically affect this too like if you dramatically affect this too like if you are a hardcore caffeine junkie and you

are a hardcore caffeine junkie and you push that a lot uh on top of everything push that a lot uh on top of everything you're doing trying to scale back could you're doing trying to scale back could help what's your sleep look like he said help what's your sleep look like he said 6 and a half to 8 and a half hours 6 and a half to 8 and a half hours that's it okay and then what do you do that's it okay and then what do you do for work are you bit do you have a like for work are you bit do you have a like stressful job not at all I'm a tattooers stressful job not at all I'm a tattooers I love it oh okay all right all right I love it oh okay all right all right all right yeah I I would you know so if all right yeah I I would you know so if you go to mph hormones. comom and talk you go to mph hormones. comom and talk to our people there they can also do to our people there they can also do medical interventions that are not medical interventions that are not testosterone to help get your testosterone to help get your testosterone up take you off and see if testosterone up take you off and see if it sticks and I yeah I've already seen a it sticks and I yeah I've already seen a few people now message us that went that few people now message us that went that route where they went in route where they went in chopine um and then they went off and chopine um and then they went off and they and it was they were able to they and it was they were able to maintain a nice testosterone level so maintain a nice testosterone level so that's another that's another option awesome all right man we'll send option awesome all right man we'll send you uh we'll send you Mass performance I you uh we'll send you Mass performance I think that's the one right I I really think that's the one right I I really appreciate that and thanks for taking my appreciate that and thanks for taking my call it's been awesome meeting you guys call it's been awesome meeting you guys thank you you got it brother take it thank you you got it brother take it easy man all right have a good one yeah easy man all right have a good one yeah you too some you know you do this for so you too some you know you do this for so long you can hear someone talk and long you can hear someone talk and you're like I know what you do you go

you're like I know what you do you go really hard you know but um I mean great really hard you know but um I mean great question I think he knows what he wants question I think he knows what he wants to do what you said about you know the to do what you said about you know the stress like like i' I had a CL I had a stress like like i' I had a CL I had a guy whose testosterone was on the low guy whose testosterone was on the low end low end we cut all of the he was end low end we cut all of the he was doing all kinds of [ __ ] running and all doing all kinds of [ __ ] running and all kinds of stuff cut all his running out kinds of stuff cut all his running out had him lift twice a week that's all he had him lift twice a week that's all he did I bumped his red meat intake okay he did I bumped his red meat intake okay he went from low to the top of the range went from low to the top of the range I'll never forget cuz his doctor was I'll never forget cuz his doctor was like what did you do yeah and he's like like what did you do yeah and he's like this I mean the truth is this and this I mean the truth is this and hopefully Robert will listen to this is hopefully Robert will listen to this is that if he was my client I actually that if he was my client I actually would want to get him to Maps 15 but I would want to get him to Maps 15 but I also recognize where he's at in his also recognize where he's at in his journey when he yes yes so me taking him journey when he yes yes so me taking him to Performance and going like follow to Performance and going like follow that good programming and stick to that that good programming and stick to that for a little bit but then I honestly the for a little bit but then I honestly the next thing I'd say is hey let's let's next thing I'd say is hey let's let's try Mass 15 and let's see what happen try Mass 15 and let's see what happen and I bet you that he would get as good and I bet you that he would get as good or better results I think his

or better results I think his testosterone levels will naturally come testosterone levels will naturally come up I think he'll see Improvement in his up I think he'll see Improvement in his sleep I think all around he's going to sleep I think all around he's going to feel better and the extra time if he has feel better and the extra time if he has more time I would say let's put it in more time I would say let's put it in Mobility so it be a Maps 15 protocol Mobility so it be a Maps 15 protocol with what you're going to learn going with what you're going to learn going through Maps performance would be through Maps performance would be ultimate goal so if I had you for six ultimate goal so if I had you for six months Robert it would be Maps months Robert it would be Maps performance right now just so we can performance right now just so we can meet in the middle here and I can give meet in the middle here and I can give you a little bit of what you want show you a little bit of what you want show you what I know you what I know and then you would go through that and and then you would go through that and then I would move you to Maps 15 and then I would move you to Maps 15 and then when you're when you're going crazy then when you're when you're going crazy because I'm only asking you to exercise because I'm only asking you to exercise 20 minutes a day I'd say well go ahead 20 minutes a day I'd say well go ahead and take the mobility moves that you and take the mobility moves that you liked and we got from Maps performance liked and we got from Maps performance and slap that on to your day and you can and slap that on to your day and you can do Mobility Plus your Maps 15 and watch do Mobility Plus your Maps 15 and watch the response our next caller is Eric the response our next caller is Eric from Colorado what's up Eric how can we from Colorado what's up Eric how can we help you what's happening buddy hi guys help you what's happening buddy hi guys what's going on man so first of all huge what's going on man so first of all huge fan of the show um I like to uh geez you fan of the show um I like to uh geez you guys got me nervous now I've been guys got me nervous now I've been watching since I'm 18 since I was 18 now watching since I'm 18 since I was 18 now I'm 21 nice I've learned a ton from you

I'm 21 nice I've learned a ton from you guys aside from Fitness um of course guys aside from Fitness um of course mainly Fitness but so much more to learn mainly Fitness but so much more to learn from you guys um but as I've like from you guys um but as I've like listened over the years um I guess over listened over the years um I guess over the past three years I've kind of the past three years I've kind of noticed that I think there might be like noticed that I think there might be like a bias a bias or um I guess you guys just naturally or um I guess you guys just naturally uh go towards advice for people uh go towards advice for people I guess um in like late 20s mid-30s I guess um in like late 20s mid-30s something I would like to know what can something I would like to know what can I take from your guys' advice and maybe I take from your guys' advice and maybe change it to fit someone who's in their change it to fit someone who's in their early 20s like what can I get away with early 20s like what can I get away with what can I push uh more um in terms of what can I push uh more um in terms of every aspect of uh health I want to set every aspect of uh health I want to set myself up uh for the future uh as best myself up uh for the future uh as best as I can oh did you mean like so we have as I can oh did you mean like so we have like a bias towards like kind of older like a bias towards like kind of older people because we're telling them we're people because we're telling them we're old guys because we're old guys old guys because we're old guys and so so how would we change that for and so so how would we change that for the 20-year- old is that what you're the 20-year- old is that what you're saying Eric yes please I don't mean to

saying Eric yes please I don't mean to call you guys old I'm sorry but well call you guys old I'm sorry but well it's uh you know it's a it's a fair it's it's uh you know it's a it's a fair it's a fair question and the truth is this is a fair question and the truth is this is the rules don't really change that much the rules don't really change that much the difference is that you can get away the difference is that you can get away being more of a dumbass than you can being more of a dumbass than you can when you're 40 so you can you can push when you're 40 so you can you can push the boundaries on but the the the same the boundaries on but the the the same rules still apply I think that's the rules still apply I think that's the hardest part about being 20 is that you hardest part about being 20 is that you can actually do a lot of things the can actually do a lot of things the wrong way and still see decent results wrong way and still see decent results but if you did it the right way or did but if you did it the right way or did it the way we're always trying to to to it the way we're always trying to to to teach uh you would see even more results teach uh you would see even more results but I guess that's the positive thing but I guess that's the positive thing about being 20 is uh you can bounce back about being 20 is uh you can bounce back a little quicker yeah you could [ __ ] up a little quicker yeah you could [ __ ] up your sleep every night for five days in your sleep every night for five days in a row still go hit the gym and actually a row still go hit the gym and actually might build a little bit of muscle still might build a little bit of muscle still where that [ __ ] ain't happening to me at where that [ __ ] ain't happening to me at 40 something but you'll build way way 40 something but you'll build way way more if you get good sleep that's right more if you get good sleep that's right that's right it's the same it's the same that's right it's the same it's the same exact rules and to be honest with you it exact rules and to be honest with you it sounds like we're communicating to the sounds like we're communicating to the person who might be in their late 20s person who might be in their late 20s early 30s or even 40s but really we're

early 30s or even 40s but really we're just communicating to people who have just communicating to people who have the wisdom to listen to that kind of the wisdom to listen to that kind of stuff like you so you you're young you stuff like you so you you're young you listened when you were 18 we don't have listened when you were 18 we don't have a lot of 18-year-old listeners in a lot of 18-year-old listeners in comparison but I can tell already you're comparison but I can tell already you're probably wiser than the average mature probably wiser than the average mature person your age right like when you go person your age right like when you go out with your friends and stuff you're out with your friends and stuff you're probably thinking about and doing things probably thinking about and doing things that they aren't like I'm pretty sure that they aren't like I'm pretty sure they're not as consistent as you are in they're not as consistent as you are in the gym looking at nutrition the same the gym looking at nutrition the same thinking about things the same way you thinking about things the same way you are uh because you're a little bit wiser are uh because you're a little bit wiser which is actually a really good thing which is actually a really good thing I'll say this here's some of the I'll say this here's some of the differences with someone who's young differences with someone who's young typically the the conversations I have typically the the conversations I have with younger people besides what Adam with younger people besides what Adam said which all the same stuff the said which all the same stuff the differences might be how to eat healthy differences might be how to eat healthy on a budget that tends to come into play on a budget that tends to come into play because uh younger people especially if because uh younger people especially if you're you're going to eat out a lot in you're you're going to eat out a lot in college supporting yourself all right college supporting yourself all right how do I I eat healthy how do I get how do I I eat healthy how do I get enough protein what does that look like enough protein what does that look like I tend to talk to them about sleep I I tend to talk to them about sleep I have to talk to young people about sleep

have to talk to young people about sleep way more than I need to talk about sleep way more than I need to talk about sleep with older people because older people with older people because older people it ends up hitting them in the face at it ends up hitting them in the face at some point anyway either they have kids some point anyway either they have kids or something happens and they're like oh or something happens and they're like oh crap I do need a lot I need do need more crap I do need a lot I need do need more sleep um now with younger people it's sleep um now with younger people it's basically like this you you can get a if basically like this you you can get a if it feels like you can get away with lack it feels like you can get away with lack of sleep but try stringing a month of of sleep but try stringing a month of good sleep together and then tell me how good sleep together and then tell me how you feel 30 days of scheduled sleep you feel 30 days of scheduled sleep where you go to bed and wake up at the where you go to bed and wake up at the same time every day the difference in same time every day the difference in your physical performance the difference your physical performance the difference in your muscle building your fat loss in your muscle building your fat loss your cognitive performance your mood your cognitive performance your mood night and day once you once you night and day once you once you experience the night and day difference experience the night and day difference then you know what you're missing then you know what you're missing whereas you might not know what you're whereas you might not know what you're missing because you never really maybe missing because you never really maybe pieced that together uh before and then pieced that together uh before and then lastly uh it's to to be patient uh you lastly uh it's to to be patient uh you know I remember that age it was like you know I remember that age it was like you know when I'm 18 19 like I just I can't

know when I'm 18 19 like I just I can't wait to be jacked and people would older wait to be jacked and people would older lifters would say well yeah you got to lifters would say well yeah you got to work out for five more years dude I'm work out for five more years dude I'm like five years like that's forever like like five years like that's forever like yeah like I'll just train harder now yeah like I'll just train harder now yeah can I do it in 60 days like are yeah can I do it in 60 days like are there some like supplements I could take there some like supplements I could take that'll make it happen faster and it's that'll make it happen faster and it's like it's a slower process like you like it's a slower process like you don't become a master um of this don't become a master um of this overnight but if you're patient now bro overnight but if you're patient now bro I'm going to tell you right now I'm going to tell you right now as you get older you're you're probably as you get older you're you're probably already set aside from the average already set aside from the average person your age anyway because you work person your age anyway because you work out because I can see you have out because I can see you have certifications yeah as a trainer let me certifications yeah as a trainer let me tell you something right now you're 21 tell you something right now you're 21 do if you stay on this do you know how do if you stay on this do you know how different you're going to be from your different you're going to be from your peers at 31 yeah they're going to be peers at 31 yeah they're going to be like a different species 41 forget about like a different species 41 forget about it they're all going to be broken and it they're all going to be broken and they can't get erections and you're they can't get erections and you're going to be feeling like amazing and going to be feeling like amazing and yeah you'd be on fire so and I think to yeah you'd be on fire so and I think to another sort of factor to this whole another sort of factor to this whole thing uh you know obviously what they thing uh you know obviously what they both said in terms of like trying to you both said in terms of like trying to you know maximize all those potentials with know maximize all those potentials with with recovery is also too you're in a

with recovery is also too you're in a good position now because you can good position now because you can recover and rebound uh and you're young recover and rebound uh and you're young is to really stretch the boundaries is to really stretch the boundaries right now and so I saw that up on here right now and so I saw that up on here that you are pursuing powerlifting I that you are pursuing powerlifting I think that's a great idea and in terms think that's a great idea and in terms of you really like maximal output uh but of you really like maximal output uh but obviously in a responsible obviously in a responsible programmed uh way uh I think right now programmed uh way uh I think right now risk reward isn't quite as uh crucial in risk reward isn't quite as uh crucial in terms of like you know how I would guide terms of like you know how I would guide somebody that's a little bit older uh in somebody that's a little bit older uh in terms of like you know some exercises terms of like you know some exercises that might be you know a little bit on that might be you know a little bit on the highrisk side I would probably have the highrisk side I would probably have them avoid versus you I think you're in them avoid versus you I think you're in a a great spot to really experiment and a a great spot to really experiment and stretch you know the boundaries and the stretch you know the boundaries and the capabilities uh that you currently have capabilities uh that you currently have right now and find where that line is is right now and find where that line is is maximize it and then sort of come back maximize it and then sort of come back and find that and find that homeostasis uh so you you know you know

homeostasis uh so you you know you know how to really recover from that high how to really recover from that high intensity I love uh a powerlifting cycle intensity I love uh a powerlifting cycle or training to do power God so valuable or training to do power God so valuable for a teenager and the reason why when for a teenager and the reason why when these guys were talking one of the these guys were talking one of the things I thought that we could give to things I thought that we could give to you that would be valuable is like okay you that would be valuable is like okay what were the biggest mistakes I think I what were the biggest mistakes I think I made in my 20s in my lifting career if I made in my 20s in my lifting career if I could go back again how how would I tell could go back again how how would I tell my 20-year-old self like these are the my 20-year-old self like these are the things I mean I was [ __ ] up a lot but things I mean I was [ __ ] up a lot but what were the big ones right and one of what were the big ones right and one of the things I didn't understand was the the things I didn't understand was the difference between tolerable and optimal difference between tolerable and optimal right like it I was full of piss and right like it I was full of piss and vinegar I had Drive I was just like vinegar I had Drive I was just like willing to do whatever it took to get willing to do whatever it took to get that be big and jacked but what I could that be big and jacked but what I could tolerate and what was optimal for my tolerate and what was optimal for my body were so far apart from each other body were so far apart from each other and so I always had the attitude of more and so I always had the attitude of more is better and that it's so not true when is better and that it's so not true when when and powerlifting forces you to when and powerlifting forces you to learn that that's what's so great you learn that that's what's so great you either get stronger or you don't yeah either get stronger or you don't yeah and so if you follow like our and so if you follow like our powerlifting program or you get a coach powerlifting program or you get a coach who's a powerlifting coach and you go to

who's a powerlifting coach and you go to do a meat and you have to train for that do a meat and you have to train for that you learn that through that process like you learn that through that process like you one of I think one of the most you one of I think one of the most glaring or things that I that blew my glaring or things that I that blew my mind when I when I started to get into mind when I when I started to get into like powerlifting training and like powerlifting training and understanding the way it was programmed understanding the way it was programmed was like oh my God these guys never was like oh my God these guys never trained a failure and we're only doing a trained a failure and we're only doing a few exercises and it's like I could do few exercises and it's like I could do so much more I add a like that was my so much more I add a like that was my thought process and when you realize thought process and when you realize that like oh this there's a big that like oh this there's a big difference between what's optimal for my difference between what's optimal for my body to get the most out of it versus body to get the most out of it versus what my body can tolerate and handle what my body can tolerate and handle because I'm young full of piston vinegar because I'm young full of piston vinegar and I have all this drive and discipline and I have all this drive and discipline it's like that unlocked so much more it's like that unlocked so much more gains for me and if I could go back and gains for me and if I could go back and like slap 20-year-old me around and like like slap 20-year-old me around and like get that across to me I think I would get that across to me I think I would have made huge strides ear especially have made huge strides ear especially and I think it would have been valuable and I think it would have been valuable too Adam because uh if I put you if I too Adam because uh if I put you if I said to you let's do powerlifting and said to you let's do powerlifting and then you competed in it it would have then you competed in it it would have made you look at it and say I'll do this made you look at it and say I'll do this yes you have to be objective oh totally yes you have to be objective oh totally so Eric you said something in the so Eric you said something in the beginning too you said you learn a lot

beginning too you said you learn a lot from us about Fitness but a lot about from us about Fitness but a lot about other things so I'm going to are you so other things so I'm going to are you so you seem to be pretty growth-minded in you seem to be pretty growth-minded in other words you're you're you're trying other words you're you're you're trying to improve your health and fitness but to improve your health and fitness but it sounds like you just want to be a it sounds like you just want to be a better man is that yep okay well look better man is that yep okay well look I'm G tell you there's a couple things I'm G tell you there's a couple things that plague men your age these days two that plague men your age these days two of them one of them is uh spending too of them one of them is uh spending too much time in front of a a screen whether much time in front of a a screen whether it be social media or video games that's it be social media or video games that's a that's it tends to be a problem with a that's it tends to be a problem with young men and pornography that's a big young men and pornography that's a big problem with young men so if you want to problem with young men so if you want to just move in the prog growth place avoid just move in the prog growth place avoid those things and watch what happens to those things and watch what happens to your drive because those are both your drive because those are both creative drives that are largely wasted creative drives that are largely wasted on uh you know Conquest through video on uh you know Conquest through video games and uh you know sexual drive-thru games and uh you know sexual drive-thru release on you know processed sex release on you know processed sex especially if you can replace that time especially if you can replace that time with something that's truly productive with something that's truly productive you will trust me you won't be able to you will trust me you won't be able to sit still getting AER that's going to go sit still getting AER that's going to go somewhere getting a certification

somewhere getting a certification learning a skill reading a book learning a skill reading a book listening to if you can take whatever listening to if you can take whatever said time was that you were spending in said time was that you were spending in those in those Arenas and flip it into those in those Arenas and flip it into those things look out I mean look out those things look out I mean look out where you'll be in five years from now where you'll be in five years from now yep yep 100% well sounds good guys uh thank you 100% well sounds good guys uh thank you um would we happen to have time for um would we happen to have time for another question yeah let's do it go another question yeah let's do it go ahead I feel like I kind of rushed into ahead I feel like I kind of rushed into things so my bad about that guys I things so my bad about that guys I didn't really give myself like a proper didn't really give myself like a proper introduction or ask you guys how you introduction or ask you guys how you were doing um sorry all good I don't were doing um sorry all good I don't want to make this too long um but are want to make this too long um but are you guys doing good uh at the moment you you guys doing good uh at the moment you guys we're we're good what you what you guys we're we're good what you what you got for us yeah we're do we're here so got for us yeah we're do we're here so we can answer your question don't worry we can answer your question don't worry um I would say the only hurdle I've had um I would say the only hurdle I've had to deal with continuously with lifting to deal with continuously with lifting would be my uh scapula strength I would be my uh scapula strength I started doing cross country in track in started doing cross country in track in high school and I kind of started high school and I kind of started lifting after the fact so around 17

lifting after the fact so around 17 years old is when I started to take um years old is when I started to take um strength training and resistance trading strength training and resistance trading a lot more seriously and then since then a lot more seriously and then since then I've done two cycles of powerlifting I've done two cycles of powerlifting from you guys' powerlifting program um from you guys' powerlifting program um great results I should have added that great results I should have added that in probably before um I started asking in probably before um I started asking questions and then right now I'm on map questions and then right now I'm on map symmetry just because I did notice some symmetry just because I did notice some imbalances um so I wanted to make sure I imbalances um so I wanted to make sure I tackled those before I went Maybe to a tackled those before I went Maybe to a performance uh style program for the performance uh style program for the summer or um anything bodybuilding summer or um anything bodybuilding related but I guess what I really want related but I guess what I really want to know is what are some what are like to know is what are some what are like the big rocks in terms of scapular the big rocks in terms of scapular health I think my posture um working a health I think my posture um working a blue collar job is kind of just it blue collar job is kind of just it doesn't help that I have to not have to doesn't help that I have to not have to but I I work that uh industry and then but I I work that uh industry and then on top of that I think being a runner on top of that I think being a runner I've always had a weak upper back so um I've always had a weak upper back so um what would you guys suggest what would what would you guys suggest what would you guys do you guys do fer client and I had just really um fer client and I had just really um weaker upper back muscles in comparison weaker upper back muscles in comparison to I would guess like I'd say the lats

to I would guess like I'd say the lats or the leg muscles so Eric is so you or the leg muscles so Eric is so you said scapular so are you doing is there said scapular so are you doing is there winging going on or is it just just the winging going on or is it just just the strength of the upper back I would say strength of the upper back I would say maybe a little bit of winging happens um maybe a little bit of winging happens um my posture isn't horrible um and then I my posture isn't horrible um and then I would would say I don't have um like horrible say I don't have um like horrible strength I'm not super super weak as strength I'm not super super weak as I've tried to tackle it over and over I've tried to tackle it over and over again but I would say like maybe the again but I would say like maybe the connection isn't there I've had knots I connection isn't there I've had knots I remember like at 18 I think I got knots remember like at 18 I think I got knots in my upper um or lower neck area and in my upper um or lower neck area and then in between where my in between my then in between where my in between my scapular where my romboid is at yeah I scapular where my romboid is at yeah I think the rids so I've had knots there think the rids so I've had knots there and I'm pretty sure I still have them to and I'm pretty sure I still have them to this day even though I went to a this day even though I went to a chiropractor um I'm just not sure how I chiropractor um I'm just not sure how I can do a better job at it you know I'll can do a better job at it you know I'll send you okay so let's send you prime send you okay so let's send you prime Pro unless you have that and in Prime Pro unless you have that and in Prime that you do oh bro easy so listen go in that you do oh bro easy so listen go in there do the uh upper back scapular there do the uh upper back scapular shoulder Mobility movements practice

shoulder Mobility movements practice those several times a day alongside your those several times a day alongside your workout you're following a great workout workout you're following a great workout symmetry is great for that y um and mass symmetry is great for that y um and mass performance is great for that as well performance is great for that as well the key what you've probably heard us the key what you've probably heard us say about Mobility drills or corrective say about Mobility drills or corrective exercise drills and this is good because exercise drills and this is good because I know you have CES and you obviously I know you have CES and you obviously want to probably teach other people is want to probably teach other people is it intensity is not more important than it intensity is not more important than frequency like frequency is everything frequency like frequency is everything like you were you far better off so like like you were you far better off so like let's say you go through Prime Pro and let's say you go through Prime Pro and you and you see that there's like five you and you see that there's like five different exercises for you to do for different exercises for you to do for scapula stuff right or upper back string scapula stuff right or upper back string instead of you trying to do all five instead of you trying to do all five exercises and you inconsistently doing exercises and you inconsistently doing that I'd like be like let's pick one of that I'd like be like let's pick one of those and do it all all as many times a those and do it all all as many times a day every day that you possibly can and day every day that you possibly can and and then now that you've got that and then now that you've got that consistent okay let's add a second one consistent okay let's add a second one of those in there like so getting you to of those in there like so getting you to frequently be working on that because frequently be working on that because you're trying to correct a poor you're trying to correct a poor recruitment pattern uh frequency is so recruitment pattern uh frequency is so important over like you just going oh important over like you just going oh I'm going to to teach it how to respond

I'm going to to teach it how to respond right I'm not going to I'm going to right I'm not going to I'm going to dedicate today as my Mobility day and dedicate today as my Mobility day and you spend an hour doing mobility drills you spend an hour doing mobility drills but then you don't do it again for the but then you don't do it again for the rest of the week uh that is way inferior rest of the week uh that is way inferior compared to you just doing it you know compared to you just doing it you know every every you know hour or two a day every every you know hour or two a day frequently okay no that helps a lot I frequently okay no that helps a lot I think I would take maybe one or two days think I would take maybe one or two days a week to do some mobility and I will a week to do some mobility and I will say I've been lacking on my stretching I say I've been lacking on my stretching I think ever since this latest think ever since this latest powerlifting cycle I haven't been powerlifting cycle I haven't been stretching as much um so I think that stretching as much um so I think that needs to be a priority right now yeah no needs to be a priority right now yeah no practice the mobility stuff in Prime Pro practice the mobility stuff in Prime Pro for the areas that you want to target for the areas that you want to target practice them several times a day for practice them several times a day for about five to 10 minutes each okay and about five to 10 minutes each okay and then Eric did you go through our free then Eric did you go through our free training for the training for the trainers um I no I did not I think I trainers um I no I did not I think I might have attended the first call but I might have attended the first call but I think when you guys had the second or if think when you guys had the second or if you guys had a second and third call I you guys had a second and third call I wasn't able to attend those yeah there's wasn't able to attend those yeah there's there's a recording so you can re I'll there's a recording so you can re I'll have Doug send you the link so you have have Doug send you the link so you have it you can watch them anytime I know I

it you can watch them anytime I know I know the part S talks is boring but mind pump Fitness coaching.com the good stuff comes second day mind pump good stuff comes second day mind pump trainer.com mind pump trainer.com thanks trainer.com mind pump trainer.com thanks we got you yeah thanks we got you yeah thanks Eric doing good man yeah keep it up Eric doing good man yeah keep it up brother yeah keep up the good work man brother yeah keep up the good work man by guys thank you so I want for people by guys thank you so I want for people who are watching this right now who that who are watching this right now who that so when I figured out how to hire people so when I figured out how to hire people based off of their character that Eric based off of their character that Eric would be somebody I'd hire yeah yeah would be somebody I'd hire yeah yeah he's got the right attitude uh and I he's got the right attitude uh and I could tell he'll do good at whatever could tell he'll do good at whatever he's doing but great attitude around all he's doing but great attitude around all of this and the way he's asking of this and the way he's asking questions and and how he's tackling them questions and and how he's tackling them but yeah for you know what he's saying but yeah for you know what he's saying for younger people it's like same stuff for younger people it's like same stuff it's the same stuff that we say to it's the same stuff that we say to people who are older the difference is people who are older the difference is just like you said Adam their youth just like you said Adam their youth tends to um hide yeah mask a lot of tends to um hide yeah mask a lot of things oh yeah you no the same same things oh yeah you no the same same rules apply and and just as important

rules apply and and just as important it's just that you're lucky when you're it's just that you're lucky when you're I'll give you guys here's the best I'll give you guys here's the best example I have uh I don't remember what example I have uh I don't remember what year it was in high school but I had year it was in high school but I had been working out since I was 14 so it's been working out since I was 14 so it's before high school working out working before high school working out working out working out there was a summer I out working out there was a summer I want to think I think it was the year want to think I think it was the year before I became a junior I want to say before I became a junior I want to say where I finally lifted properly like for where I finally lifted properly like for strength deadlift squat bench press I strength deadlift squat bench press I wasn't over training like before and I wasn't over training like before and I finally started eating appropriately finally started eating appropriately started hitting protein and I gained started hitting protein and I gained over that summer like 50 pounds a I was over that summer like 50 pounds a I was like booom it just my junior was that like booom it just my junior was that you yeah exactly awesome look if you you yeah exactly awesome look if you love the show head over to mind pump love the show head over to mind pump free.com we have a guide a free guide free.com we have a guide a free guide there that teaches you how to lose fat there that teaches you how to lose fat in some easy steps go check it out you in some easy steps go check it out you can also find all of us on social media can also find all of us on social media Justin is at mind pump Justin I'm at Justin is at mind pump Justin I'm at mind pump to Stephano and Adam's at mind mind pump to Stephano and Adam's at mind pump Adam a [Music]

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The Pre-Workout Effect

Cold exposure creates a powerful internal lift. The source describes a rise in catecholamines, including epinephrine, norepinephrine, and dopamine, and those signals translate into energy, focus, alertness, and mood. In plain terms, the body wakes up. The mind gets sharper. The room feels quieter.

That is why cold before training can feel like a pre-workout without the familiar weight of stimulants. Caffeine can help people start, but too much can turn intensity into shakiness. The body feels wired while the breath feels crowded. Cold can create a cleaner edge, with steadier presence and less anxious force.

The distinction matters because performance is not only arousal. You need energy you can direct. You need focus that holds under load. A plunge before training can create that focused intensity without leaning entirely on a drink, a powder, or a larger dose of caffeine. The stimulus comes from within.

The transcript anchors this in experience as much as physiology. Before cold plunges became a broad fitness trend, cryotherapy carried the same lesson. After being encouraged to try cryotherapy before a workout, the result was immediate: the session felt unusually strong, clear, and sustained. The cold did not drain the workout. It opened it.

That lived response explains why the timing is compelling. The cold meets you before effort, when your system is still neutral. Then training adds heat, movement, and output. Instead of finishing high and trying to suppress the session, you begin awake and build from there. Energy becomes disciplined, not frantic.

Recovery Without Blunting The Signal

Athletes used ice baths after hard sessions for a reason. Football players in double days, contact athletes managing soreness, and competitors facing repeated demands needed a fast way to reduce discomfort. Cold water offered a direct reset. It helped them feel ready to return to work.

That recovery use still has a place. Pain and inflammation management can be valuable when the goal is to feel better quickly, keep moving, or meet another demand soon. The body is not always chasing growth. At times, it needs relief, regulation, and enough restoration to continue.

It feels better than the best caffeine rush I've ever had in my life.

Strength and hypertrophy ask for a different respect. After lifting, the workout creates an inflammatory signal that helps drive adaptation and muscle building. The transcript raises the concern clearly: if you train, then immediately blunt that signal with cold, you can reduce the message your body needs to hear. The signal deserves space.

Beginning with cold solves much of that tension. You start in a calmer, lower-inflammation state, then train into heat, effort, and adaptation. The sequence protects the work because the anti-inflammatory effect comes before the muscle-building signal, not after it. Use cold to prime the workout, not to erase what the workout asked the body to become.

This is not a rejection of recovery. It is a clearer distinction between goals. If you need to manage soreness after punishing volume, cold has its role. If you are training to get stronger, build muscle, and amplify performance, move the plunge earlier. Timing turns the same tool into a different protocol.

Building A Simple Protocol

The entry point is brief. Start with 30 to 60 seconds of cold exposure before training, then dry off and begin. You do not need a dramatic session to receive the shift. A precise dose often creates a clearer ritual than a long display of endurance.

A full-body plunge is the strongest version. Immersion asks the body for complete attention, and that attention can sharpen energy and focus before the workout begins. Still, access should not stop the practice. If you do not have a plunge nearby, cold exposure at home can still serve the protocol.

The transcript notes that even dunking the head can create a substantial response. Splashing the face or using cold water deliberately will not match full immersion, but it can still interrupt heaviness and restore alertness. The principle is readiness. Meet the cold, pause, then move with intention.

It's this simultaneous waking you up but also giving you calm energy.

The timing also gives you room. The effects of a cold plunge can last for a couple of hours at the very least, so the protocol does not need to happen seconds before your first set. You can do it at home, travel to the gym, and still carry the clarity into training.

If you still enjoy pre-workout, reduce the dose and pair it with cold. The source recommends trying half a dose rather than stacking a full stimulant load on top of the plunge. That restraint matters. The goal is clean intensity, not excess stimulation. Precision creates better performance than force.

Energy, Calm, And Discipline

Cold water is not only intensity. Used well, it creates calm energy: awake, present, and steady. That quality is different from feeling rushed or overdriven. It gives the body a clear signal and gives the mind a place to stand. You enter effort with more command.

The transcript connects this to physical anxiety in a direct way. Too much caffeine can create a shaky, breathless feeling, which makes performance harder to access. Cold water can interrupt that pattern and bring attention back to the body. The shock becomes a reset, and the reset creates calm.

That is why the ritual extends beyond exercise. Before studying, writing, presenting, or entering demanding work, cold exposure can help you arrive with sharper focus and steadier emotion. The purpose stays the same: wake the system, quiet the noise, and prepare for high performance without forcing it.

The feel-good response also asks for discipline. Because cold exposure can elevate mood and energy through dopamine and related catecholamines, it can become habit-forming for some people. That does not make the ritual wrong. It makes intention essential. Use the plunge as a tool, not a chase.

The strongest protocols are simple enough to repeat and respectful enough to sustain. Cold before training builds resilience through a deliberate pause, then directs that resilience into movement, focus, and adaptation. You do not need to seek intensity for its own sake. You need clarity, balance, and a ritual that serves the work.

Wim's Wise Words

A second take, from someone who's lived it.

If you take one thing from this, make the cold earn its place. Do not add it because it looks disciplined. Add it because it changes the quality of your next hour.

For training, I would test it for two weeks before making a verdict. Same days. Same time. Same workout style. Step in before you lift or move, stay long enough to meet the cold, then get out while you still feel precise. You are looking for a clean shift: steadier breath, brighter attention, less need to force the session.

That is the mark of a useful protocol. It gives you command without making you chase intensity.

Where I'd Start

Start smaller than your pride wants. Thirty seconds can be plenty when the water is truly cold. Sixty seconds is a strong dose for many bodies. If you climb out scattered, rushed, or clenched, you did not become more ready; you overshot the ritual.

The best pre-workout cold leaves you alert but not brittle. Your hands may feel sharp. Your skin may feel awake. But your mind should settle. That is the distinction I care about. Cold is not there to prove toughness. It is there to create equilibrium before effort.

If you still use caffeine, keep the experiment honest. Cut the dose and see what the cold provides on its own. Many readers will find they need less external stimulation than they thought. That matters for performance, but it also matters for mastery. You learn the difference between being prepared and being overstimulated.

For a deeper look at how cold changes the stress response around exercise, Cold Training, Calibrated is worth reading next.

What To Watch

Do not use cold as a cover for poor recovery. None of this replaces sleep, food, hydration, or sensible programming. A plunge can prime you, but it cannot rescue a body that you keep under-recovered. The ritual works best when it sits inside a life that already respects restoration.

I would also be careful with the mood lift. Cold exposure can feel clean and powerful because dopamine and related signals rise. That does not mean more is better. If you start needing the plunge to feel capable, pause and recalibrate. A tool should widen your capacity, not narrow your confidence.

There is still a place for cold after training. If the day has been punishing, soreness is high, or you need to feel composed for another demand, use it deliberately. But if your priority is strength, muscle, and long-term adaptation, give the workout signal room to work. Recovery should support the reason you trained, not erase it.

The same principle applies beyond the gym. Before demanding work, a short cold exposure can create a deliberate pause and restore focus. Pair it with breath, not drama. Step in, soften the jaw, let the first shock pass, and leave with enough clarity to do the work in front of you. That is the real value: not the cold itself, but the steadiness you carry out of it.